i was listening to NTS Sessions in my car today, and a co-worker asked "what kind of music is that?"
Autechre, i said.
"Autechre, huh. what genre is it?"
um, uh, well... funny thing about that...
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if you don't know, people started calling certain artists "IDM", or "Intelligent Dance Music" which is kind of pretty much ableist, it sucks and a lot of the artists hate that term.
anyway, he said... "it's like dance music... but organic sorta?"
i was like, yes spot on, that's better than a genre, and you should go ahead and submit your resumé to the Wire.
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@c_reider Artificial Dance Music would've been much better. I think people just like how close to IBM, IDM is. it's a nice bunch of three letters
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@c_reider funny, I always thought of IDM as being literally the opposite of ableist. Like, it's electronic music for people in wheelchairs. Then again, I'm not that connected to the scene but I always thought it was the "dance" part of the name that was stupid.
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@c_reider back in 94 we were at the wax trax office doing interviews, and we had a parade of writers asking us how much we liked front 242, skinny puppy or kmfdm.
we were like fuck no we never listened to any of that, we like electro and techno; and they'd just glaze over, no interest. a couple of them were acting like it wasn't even proper music.
so yeah that's prob why some other americans thought they'd have to separate all this uk stuff out into its own scene and say something like 'hey this isn't like that other dumb dance music! look! it's intelligent!'.
i guess something to do with race maybe (?) but i never really understood how things work over there.
whatever the reason, the term IDM was exclusively used by americans until the mid 2000s. in the uk people called it 'electronica' (also stupid for diff reasons).
and in all seriousness - saying it's not dance music is just a skill issue.
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@sean_ae @c_reider oh I remember the "electronica" genre name and using it in my pre-internet late 90s / early 00s. But since the term seems to have vanished, and I never saw anyone else using it, I thought I was somewhat misusing. This is kinda comforting to read ;')
Do I remember correctly that Warp also made up that "electronic listening music" genre name around the "artificial intelligence" era?
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@yhancik @c_reider yeah idk if warp ever considered that a genre name but i guess it could have been. the press were solidly in control of genre names.
part of the problem was just literacy - a lot of the writers in the uk back then had grown up on indie music and didn't know most of the references. even now a lot of them rely on received wisdom, mythology and a kind of spotty wikipedia-tier bullet point awareness of 80s dance music.
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@sean_ae oh, that happened at Wax Trax? that explains a lot, they came in with expectations.
i don’t know how it was in the cities, but in the rural parts of US it was total naivety of dance music at that time. by 94 all i’d heard was 808 State’s Cubik and i hated it.
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@c_reider we had some good gigs in weird places on that tour though, eg Tulsa.
Yeah idk, we prob just had diff expectations, just arriving in nyc and all that. Like I’d expect people to have a rough grasp of what happened there.
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@sean_ae the US pre-internet was a different kind of weird place than it is now. it’s hard to overstate how isolated we were from everything but what they showed on tv.
falling into any kind of subcultural rabbit hole was always a kind of rare miracle.
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a lady I work with said AE (nts) sounded like a life support machine.
is that a genre? maybe it is innit
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