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Written by Ben Ramsey on 2025-01-31 at 16:37

DEI programs solve a systemic problem, and there is overwhelming evidence the problem is systemic.

For white people, this presents 2 main problems:

  1. Admitting to themselves they are part of a system that is inherently racist.

  1. Job competition is higher because DEI programs actively work against the system, allowing more qualified candidates to be considered for roles.

Both of these make white people angry. (1/3)

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Written by Ben Ramsey on 2025-01-31 at 16:37

Saying the system is racist feels like a personal attack on folks who don’t consider themselves racist.

They convince themselves the candidates sourced through DEI programs are less qualified and hired only because they are “diverse.”

So they differentiate the old system as “merit-based,” even though it’s definitely not, because when they’re hired under it, it must be due to their own merit/worth that they were hired and not because the system favored hiring white men. (2/3)

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Written by Mx. Luna Corbden on 2025-01-31 at 18:01

@ramsey The silent 3rd piece of this logic, the one most aren't even aware of, the one I long ago unpacked within myself and was shocked to find, is the underlying assumption that people of color aren't as capable as white people.

And there's the core to racism — not noticing race, not choosing people based on race, not all the myths about what racism is... but the hidden implicit bias, a quiet, inherited sense of superiority.

[#]decolonization #AbuseCulture

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Written by FirstFish on 2025-01-31 at 20:12

@corbden @ramsey I have watched this with horror and challenged it to no success with people around me who do not even realize they are filled to the brim with such vileness. And it sounds so innocent coming from their mouths. They think they are complementing the other kid, the different person, the accomplished athlete. When what they are really saying is, "Wow, I didn't recognize that we were on the same planet, and that you actually belonged here, can you really do all that or did you have help, should I look around for evidence of fraud, or find some other way to point out that I was here first looking down on you?"

It makes me so mad to know I share genes with them.....Ahhhgh.

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Written by Mx. Luna Corbden on 2025-01-31 at 20:32

@FirstFish @ramsey Making rebuttal statements allows them to wiggle away from themselves.

I've been experimenting with asking questions or a series of questions that cause them to confront the bias.

In this case something like:

Why do you think any given Black person would not be as qualified for this job as any given white person? Is there something inherent about Black people that makes them less capable of doing the work?

If they're genuinely wanting to be a good person deep down, this may cause them to reflect. You can see it on their face. If it remains, a discussion might open up, aided by more questions, like If Black peoples aren't as successful in society, and at birth they're inherently just as capable, then what factors do you think might lead to their overall failures at pursuing the American Dream? And now you're open to talking about systematic bias, poverty, healthcare, police brutality, etc. and about their solutions.

Or the realization may only flash briefly before renewed defensiveness, but they'll probably think on it later, and your work is done for now.

If they indeed actually believe in these superiorities, they may choose this time to reveal that. And then you know they're a lost cause and can stop wasting your time.

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Written by FirstFish on 2025-01-31 at 22:37

@corbden @ramsey Oh, yes. There are times that I, too, can get very good at directing the conversation through multiple levels of labyrinthine questions following their answers. But only when my own emotions or the life of my children are not on the line in the discussion. I tend to lose it a bit and become less than rational and logical when they express opinions that threaten my cubs.

Still, it doesn't take very many layers for them to see that their inherent bias is truly despicable and to lash out with name calling and labeling and a need to leave such an "attack".

The definition of a "good person" is becoming a very difficult thing to nail down. Good deeds and kind-hearted motives, philanthropy and charity, not doing public harm and refraining from verbal engagement are not evidence of "goodness" anymore. As you have pointed out, #3 is invisible and insidious.

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Written by Mx. Luna Corbden on 2025-02-01 at 00:01

@FirstFish Yeah I've been in enough of these conversations that it's often triggering and very intense, so I tend to avoid them now more often than I'd like. It's typically not productive anymore, except with people I live with or have to interact with often. That might become a life or death thing for me at some point, that we at least have some basis of mutual understanding.

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