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Written by FoolishOwl on 2025-01-30 at 19:35

So I'm looking at alternatives to Protonmail, and what's most often recommended are Tuta.com, less often Mailbox.org, both of which boast of being based in Germany -- which is also veering towards fascism.

So I'm not sure what the fucking point even is anymore.

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Written by FoolishOwl on 2025-01-30 at 19:40

I mean, use Signal, obviously.

Email just isn't going to be safe.

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Written by Malin on 2025-01-30 at 19:50

@foolishowl

Posteo is great, unless you literally want to distance yourself from all German providers.

For ultimate security, try DMZ.rs, or any other local hacker-space. On the plus side, they will shoot their own servers before allowing cops to even look at them. On the other side, service might not be reliable.

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Written by FoolishOwl on 2025-01-30 at 20:33

@malin Well, I left Gmail, because I didn't want them scraping my personal messages for advertising and AI anymore. And I'm unhappy with Proton's political statements.

So I'm following a crowd of people saying, "I'm going to switch to Tuta for email and Mullvad for VPN." And then I have to pause. Why did I need a VPN? What threat model am I worried about with email? Because my email is 95% business correspondence and mailing lists, and 5% exchanges with people on Gmail.

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Written by FoolishOwl on 2025-01-30 at 20:39

@malin So in theory, if I'm corresponding with someone else who's using GPG, or the same secure mail service, then maybe I can have reliable encryption, but that's just not what's happening.

Anyone I'm corresponding with who's concerned enough to use those tools is using Signal or something else easier and more secure than private email anyway.

So I may as well just use the basic IMAP service from the same company that provides my vanity domain name, which would be a lot cheaper.

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Written by Luke Martell on 2025-01-30 at 22:28

@foolishowl Try Norway or the Netherlands! https://lukesnotes.mataroa.blog/blog/alternative-email-2/

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Written by FoolishOwl on 2025-01-31 at 02:17

@lukemartell That Runbox is worker-owned makes it worth considering.

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Written by Luke Martell on 2025-01-31 at 07:47

@foolishowl yes, it's unusual, and a key reason I chose them.

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