This sentiment "Effectively, that’s all any country has" about the two party system of the USA, seems so stupid that I have a hard time grasping that you can utter it!
It is probably because you are never introduced to any other type of election system?
Remember that Canadas system is just as broken even though they have more parites. "Canada's electoral system is a "first-past-the-post" system, which is formally referred to as a single-member plurality system."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_electoral_system
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@UlrikNyman AOC and Nancy Pelosi would not be in the same party under your system. Yet, they both get seats to represent in our legislature. Rather than six or seven parties, we have primaries.
Any election system based on most votes ends up that way.
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Yes, the point is that you need to change the election system
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canada is parliamentary so 3rd parties are stable
usa needs ranked choice to get stable 3rd parties
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@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon Ranked choice voting is only a part of the solution. The main part of the solution is multi-member districts.
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sure, there's plenty of improvements like multi-member
the difficulty is getting anything done
so i'm just aiming for the easiest change, with the most oomph behind it already, and that's ranked choice
unfortunately, the party dependent upon voter suppression (GOP) has noticed:
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans
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@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon I think the USA need a coalition of angry voters from both sides marching in the streets protesting for election reform.
Maybe with riots‽
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it won't be both sides, only the democrats
the republicans know they win by voter disenfranchisement
they don't want to empower voters
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@UlrikNyman @benroyce Our best hope is for the system to collapse from isolation. At this point, other countries have more influence than we do. With November’s election, we lost free and fair elections completely.
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the problem with that thought is the amount of suffering involved
Show up in the primaries in 2026
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@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon If there will be primaries in 2026?
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The states still control voting
I don't want to be airhead naive, but I also don't want to be mindlessly cynical. I need my sanity 😬
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@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon I am torn between hoping that things don't turn out as bad as it seems and hoping that everything explodes into chaos.
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There's people who believe in "accelerationism": pushing for things to break to foster revolution
Problem is:
It's a lie that everyone would unite on one purpose as is envisioned. Certainly many would but factions with different visions would fight and the one that wins can be even worse than the rotten system everyone started fighting
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@UlrikNyman @benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon Molotavs against wankpanzers !!
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@UlrikNyman I agree on that. But I think the effect of primaries is often neglected in these “two party” system discussions. The Democratic Party covers a wide range of views and which sub-party gets represented is decided there.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think most parliamentary systems have primaries. Literally, anyone can run in a primary for any party if they can get enough signatures. I admit, I don’t know how parliamentary candidates get picked.
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@Extra_Special_Carbon New parties can be formed very easily and have been in the Danish system over the last couple of decades several times.
The parties pick who they are running. In almost all of the parties this is done by local elections in the districts, by the party members.
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@UlrikNyman It sounds a lot like our system with different labels.
If we had six or seven parties, then the left would get outflanked by the Republicans every time. They vote as a solid block just because they have an R in front of their name on the ballot.
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@Extra_Special_Carbon But with a multi party system they would not all be the same party.
Trump would only have captured one of the right wing parties, not all of the block at once.
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