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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:03

My main computer claims to have upgraded itself to LTS 24.01. It’s currently booting. On first boot, it progress bars approximately forever. A thing I know because LTS 24 is the first version LTS version I experienced that could not do an update without reimaging.

Currently in the goofy multiple partial reboots stage of things.

Assuming my computer does work at the end of this, it won’t persuade me to keep Ubuntu on this computer. The damage is done. I’m getting Mint.

As a note, I was mostly trying to reboot my computer and decided to let it do updates to save a redundant reboot. Turns out all the updates were part of something labeled as a system upgrade. Which turns out not to have installed 24.01. 🙄

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Toot

Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:11

Did some “troubleshooting” (aka following the instructions the installer provided and thus could have done itself) and now we’re going to grub and boot loop again to the tune of Madonna’s Like A Virgin. A bit faster this time. Will we have 24.01? Cliffhanger!

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Descendants

Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:17

No, we don’t! Whatever we were doing was ultimately successful but it was not in fact the upgrade. Ubuntu’s user hostile behavior of removing third party repros as part of its upgrade process continues unabated.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:28

It actually does seem to be working. We’re in the “installing the upgrades” section. I think it has always failed in this segment (when it has actually attempted install … most of the times I’ve told it to upgrade, it hasn’t actually tried).

The ETA kept going up. It got as high as 2 hours 9 minutes and is now down to 1 hour 30 minutes.

To be clear, I have tried rebooting just prior to attempting upgrade. I’ve also tried following instructions provided by the installer.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:41

This part is gonna be pretty boring until it either finishes or fails. So I’m not going to do updates here for a while. Call me naive but I think it might actually succeed this time.

Pretty inconvenient way to start my day but it’s my own fault for “yes and”-ing my computer first thing in the morning.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 12:52

There seems to be a bit of confusion on Ubuntu’s part. It was talking about 24.01 but the installer does say 24.04.

The installer has stopped to tell me it wants to mess with my tumbler.rc file. It wants my opinion. I don’t have an opinion. My edits to that file have so far accomplished nothing. It seems to be making good time now. 14 minute ETA.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:03

When it started meddling with config files, I got extremely concerned it wouldn’t be able to rollback if there was a failure. I know how it could but it doesn’t seem to have done the work necessary to make that possible.

It now wants to remove 811 packages and won’t let me copy the list. Foul behavior. The likelihood that I escape this with all the things I care about still working is very slim.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:08

It claims to have completed the upgrade. The login screen looks subtly different. It might have done.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:13

It has broken the icons to two of the three Python scripts I made on my desktop. They also broke the Studio control panel icon I need to manage the low latency kernel and sound stuff. Predictably, it has done what Mac and Windows do: make you do more updates after the upgrade.

I’m now in again. Gonna launch some desktop scripts.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:20

They've broken toot and all my desktop icons. I think it's safe to assume they've broken almost everything to do with Python on my computer.

Every. Single. Thing. I. Do. Has to do with Python.

I have no idea how I'm supposed to work with Ubuntu Studio without the panel. I can't find its replacement.

What the absolute fuck, #Ubuntu

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:26

error: externally-managed-environment

× This environment is externally managed

╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try apt install

python3-xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to

install.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:32

Alright. This one is apparently a Python decision. I have to be pegged to whatever bullshit decisions and update schedules Ubuntu has on a library level or I have to run everything in venvs?

This is fucking repulsive.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:40

I already did the system upgrade after the system upgrade. Fuck you for demanding a third one after breaking almost every single thing about my computer.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 13:50

And if you want sound to work, you have to:

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Written by Steven D. Brewer 🏳️‍⚧️ on 2025-01-29 at 14:10

@EveHasWords Oh, yeah. I don't do anything in python that isn't in a venv anymore. At least it's better than Composer.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 14:16

@stevendbrewer Yeah. I get it. I just feel like it's absurd. I'm going to end up creating a single venv in which all of my own scripts run.

I already have shell scripts that call my 'I need this all the time' scripts without summoning python3 ~/path-to-script/script.py each time. So once I figure out how to summon the not-yet-existing venv, I'll just modify those scripts and probably make new ones for the ones I hadn't bothered to add a shell script wrapper for.

And as far as I can tell, the entire reason for this is that Ubuntu relies on outdated python libraries so using pip bare tends to break their stuff. I don't participate in PEP conversations so maybe I'm off-base there but this seems like throwing out the bath water, the bath, and the baby because your roommate hates the color shampoo you use.

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Written by Steven D. Brewer 🏳️‍⚧️ on 2025-01-29 at 14:44

@EveHasWords I thought I could do that, but then it turned out that my mastodon bot (for @wss366) and the bot I made for Bluesky have incompatible dependencies. So now everything goes in its own venv.

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Written by DearlySamantha on 2025-01-29 at 14:30

@EveHasWords I feel this struggle :dragon_heart:

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Written by DearlySamantha on 2025-01-29 at 14:36

@EveHasWords oh also, I don't wanna be a reply gal, so feel free to say no, but would you be interested in a tool that might help you with this? (not sure that it will, but it might)

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 14:40

@ahuggingsam You can let me know. I can't use another tool at the moment because I assist others and I need to know the "pythonic" way of doing things to avoid upping the complexity by installing, say, Rust.

(I have and use Rust myself but I need to know how to do the built-in tools. Using Rust as an example because someone suggested uv and uvx in another part of the thread.)

Edit: Ooops, sorry. Not this thread but the other one

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Written by DearlySamantha on 2025-01-29 at 14:44

@EveHasWords that's totally valid. I was gonna suggest pixi (https://pixi.sh/latest/) which doesn't require the instalation of rust as far as I know (but is written in it) and it's gaining quite a bit of popularity withing my company and can automatically install tools into their own venv, but if you have to do it tool less then maybe it won't help you. In either case I have known this pain for a long time and I very much empathise with you :ablobsad:

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 16:43

Ubuntu uninstalled whatever archive GUI application I was using and left me with P7Zip (which is fine on Windows but is not great on Linux) and ... Ark? I don't remember what I was using before. It started with an E.

This is only more annoying than when it uninstalled ristretto because I at least remembered what ristretto was called when I had to reinstall it.

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Written by Eve 😘📚 on 2025-01-29 at 16:48

Alright. It was engrampa. If you've already got something you like, keep using it.

I'm a cranky little critter and I don't appreciate it when stuff changes particularly when I wasn't consulted.

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