Ancestors

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:48

I recently talked about (in https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/113910070146861518) how solutions in a dynamical systems can be roughly divided into an effective dynamics regime, where simplifying principles such as linearity can be reasonably good approximations, and the more complicated regime of no effective dynamics, in which the behavior can be significantly more nonlinear. For instance, in linear regimes, applying a force in one direction, if followed swiftly by an equal and opposite force in the other direction, will get the state roughly back to where one started; but the same is not true in nonlinear regimes. (If one pulls a spring too far in one direction, one can end up with a broken spring, with no way to return to the initial state, regardless of how one tries to push the spring back in the opposite direction.) (1/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:49

But actually there are real-world situations where even nonlinear dynamical systems are not a sufficiently accurate model to describe the behavior, and even more complicated mathematical models, such as mean field games, are needed. This is particularly the case where individual agents in the system plan their actions not just based on the current state of their system, but on their predictions of where this state may be headed in the future.

One familiar example of a mean field game arises in the traffic flow of a large city; commuters may select their travel routes and schedules in anticipation of what the traffic may be at a given time of day, but the choices they make in this regard may make that traffic different from what they initially expected. As a consequence, the actual distribution of traffic over time can behave in highly unintuitive ways; it is not always the obvious "rush hours" which exhibit the most congestion. (2/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:49

It is a highly nontrivial problem to determine if a mean field game even has any self-consistent solutions (Nash equilibria), let alone how to compute them numerically. And even if solutions exist, they could be highly non-unique; the initial conditions could permit multiple consistent solutions, not all of which are equally desirable.

Our mathematical understanding of these equations lags significantly behind that of nonlinear dynamical systems, which in turn lags behind that of linear dynamical systems. External shocks to such equations can have extremely unpredictable and poorly understood consequences, due to their complex effects on the agents' perception of future conditions; and their impact often cannot be cancelled out simply by applying further shocks in the opposite direction. (3/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Toot

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:49

A real-time version of this phenomenon is playing out right now in my own field of mathematics in the United States (it is impacting countless other fields as well, but mathematics is the area where I have the most information). It is hiring season currently, with postdoctoral job offers being sent out as we speak, and candidates for tenure-track and tenured positions interviewing. However, the NSF postdoctoral fellowships, which were due to be announced some time this week, have been unexpectedly delayed due a recent executive order affecting almost all federal government funding.

Other major NSF funding sources for mathematics, such as the grants to mathematics institutions or the multiyear CAREER grants that have played a pivotal role in the trajectory of many talented mathematicians in the US, are also in a state of high uncertainty, in which it is not currently known whether grants which had been recommended for approval or renewal by the relevant NSF panels will actually get funded. (4/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Descendants

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:52

One can hope that some clarification of the executive order will come soon, and that funding that had already been approved can be disbursed as planned. However, even if this is the case, there are already other impacts that cannot be as easily reversed. In the last 24 hours I have recieved multiple emails from job applicants nervously asking whether the funding for their position is as secure as they had assumed; and at least one math institution is advising visitors to their programs to delay booking travel or accommodation until the funding situation is clarified. It is likely that there will be cancellations and reduced participation at multiple workshops and other research events because of this. (5/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:52

But even if the system state returns to something resembling what was the status quo 48 hours ago, the solution to this mean field game may now be quite different. Many potential job candidates will factor in increased uncertainty in the funding and regulatory environment for mathematics in the US going forward, and may therefore accept competing offers in other countries. The number of participants in major US-based mathematical events, such as the 2026 International Congress of Mathematicians in Philadelphia, may also be impacted. One could argue that any "brain drain" from the US would simply result in an equal and opposite "brain gain" in other countries, but this thinking again assumes an oversimplified linear model: in practice, the rest of the world would not be able to absorb all of the lost opportunities in the US in a single job cycle, and some mathematicians may end up leaving the field entirely, or not obtain as enriching a career as they would otherwise have been able to achieve. (6/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 05:52

The last comparable shock to my field was the 2008 global financial crisis. Due to that crisis, university budgets and endowments were suddenly upended. My colleagues and I received salary cuts; but more importantly, many open positions evaporated, and an entire generation of promising mathematicians was at risk of having their careers cut short. However, in the US a stimulus package was passed which, among other things, allowed the NSF to greatly expand its postdoctoral program on an emergency basis, and also maintain or temporarily expand other sources of NSF funding. This allowed hiring for that season to proceed at something close to normal levels, and in the end there was no major disruption to the expectations for what the career track of an academic mathematician in the US would be. To continue the mathematical formalism at the start of this post, the "mean field" of the mean field game stayed within the "effective regime" in which it could be understood by simpler models.

A similar stabilization of expectations for the future would be quite welcome and helpful at this point. But the current administration has thus far not demonstrated much ability to solve mean field games effectively. (7/7)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 18:23

The executive order has just been rescinded: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/29/white-house-rescinds-federal-funds-freeze-memo.html . However, as discussed above, due to the alterations in future expectations of funding stability, the current situation is not close to where it was before the order was first introduced.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 21:46

Even less clarity now, as the White House press secretary asserts that the original executive order is actually still in effect: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5113776-white-house-press-secretary-spending-freeze/

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by drScott on 2025-01-29 at 06:05

@tao I had not heard confirmation that the NSF postdocs are delayed yet; are we confident about this?

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from drScott@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 14:29

@drScott To my knowledge this has not yet been clarified. However, the uncertainty is already having impacts on other, non-NSF-funded, hiring decisions. In the US, most math departments, such as my own, time their postdoc offers to be close to the scheduled NSF postdoc announcement. At UCLA, we recently sent out our first-round postdoc offers, with the expectation that some of our top-ranked choices would also be likely to receive an NSF postdoc offer as well. Sometimes, the candidates accept the NSF postdoc at a different institution, in which case we move on to the next highest ranked candidate in our list. I now expect that many candidates will delay their decision on whether to accept any outstanding offers, which could then cause further delays and uncertainty for candidates further down the rankings, even if the latter did not directly apply for a NSF-funded position.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by drScott on 2025-01-29 at 14:32

@tao thank you, that's about the level of data I have (but from Michigan, and I get much less complete feedback about our first round offers). Our experiences are consistent.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from drScott@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Terence Tao on 2025-01-29 at 14:42

@drScott The NSF now has a web page at https://new.nsf.gov/executive-orders which will presumably contain the latest information on this topic, though at present it does not clarify the specific issue of the NSF postdoc announcement (which I believe was scheduled for this Friday).

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tao@mathstodon.xyz

Written by drScott on 2025-01-29 at 15:06

@tao I had just opened Mathstodon to share the same discovery! Thank you again.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from drScott@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Preston Maness ☭ on 2025-01-29 at 06:12

@tao >But the current administration has thus far not demonstrated much ability to solve mean field games effectively.

The administration can't even handle linear systems well. The wreckage it has wrought in less than a month should shatter any illusions about the stability and suitability of the US going into the future.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from aspensmonster@tenforward.social

Written by Tony Vladusich on 2025-01-29 at 06:38

@aspensmonster @tao

The current administration is just mean.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from TonyVladusich@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Antonio Patriarca on 2025-01-29 at 15:13

@aspensmonster @tao That is assuming they want to handle them instead of creating chaos.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyz

Written by Chris​‌​‬ Hayes‌​​​ on 2025-01-29 at 06:16

@tao I appreciate the explanation of mathematical concepts so that many non-math people like me can follow what you're saying.

I only have to think back to my undergrad when NSF funding directly affected me—it helped allow me to spend a summer as a CompSci student collaborating with the Chem department to study the simulation of soot agglomerate in Earth's atmosphere.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from chris_hayes@fosstodon.org

Written by Evan "CFO of Antifa" Clark on 2025-01-29 at 06:21

@tao

That's a sick burn if I've ever heard one. 🗣️🔥

TALK YOUR SHIT TERENCE!!!

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from scallopede@ravenation.club

Written by copacetic on 2025-01-29 at 12:06

@tao

=> View attached media

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from copacetic@social.tchncs.de

Written by Pait on 2025-01-29 at 12:37

@tao "the current administration has thus far not demonstrated much ability to solve mean field games effectively." is perhaps the most sophisticated euphemism ever.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from pait@mastodon.social

Written by սահակ on 2025-01-29 at 14:09

@tao I think you should reach out to Trump administration via any connections that you have and try to join it as an advisor. You are a very smart and practical person and I think they would be happy to have you.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from sahak@թութ.հայ

Written by bk on 2025-01-29 at 18:28

@tao

Who is even running this show?

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from knutson_brain@sfba.social

Written by Evan "CFO of Antifa" Clark on 2025-01-29 at 20:09

@knutson_brain @tao

Hopefully it's not just one person putting the plays together behind the scenes, right? That would be a very dangerous situation, due to the positive correlation between power and responsibility.

Hopefully some pre-existing checks and balances are being utilized.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from scallopede@ravenation.club

Written by Tobin Baker on 2025-01-29 at 20:07

@tao The order served its purpose of distracting the nation from the RFK confirmation hearings.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from tobinbaker@discuss.systems

Written by Darth Sandwich 🏳️‍🌈 on 2025-01-29 at 20:11

@tao

Malicious incompetence?

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from darthsandwich@mastodon.social

Written by Sophie Schmieg on 2025-01-29 at 20:31

@tao unfortunately "acting erratically" is a rational strategy in at least some mean-field games, and while I don't know whether this individual action went as planned, the general jist of "show that the US government is no longer a reliable institution for, among others, academics" certainly seems to align with the administration's plans.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from sophieschmieg@infosec.exchange

Written by Uwe Hollerbach on 2025-01-29 at 21:52

@tao It is the Dunning-Kruger administration. (Although I’m sure they are quite gleeful about all the FUD chaos etc)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from UweHalfHand@norcal.social

Written by bk on 2025-01-29 at 21:57

@tao

Schroedinger’s orders…

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from knutson_brain@sfba.social

Written by theHigherGeometer on 2025-01-29 at 22:33

@tao Slightly ironically, the title of the CNBC article seems to have updated to reflect this new development, at least based on my vague memory of when I first saw you post that link.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz

Written by sodakaidotcom on 2025-01-30 at 02:29

@tao Decision-making under uncertainty is the new soft skill.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from sodakaidotcom@mathstodon.xyz

Proxy Information
Original URL
gemini://mastogem.picasoft.net/thread/113910073928106893
Status Code
Success (20)
Meta
text/gemini
Capsule Response Time
426.636576 milliseconds
Gemini-to-HTML Time
15.239582 milliseconds

This content has been proxied by September (3851b).