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Written by Devine Lu Linvega on 2025-01-29 at 03:47

Our culture is not fluent in descriptions of process.

We are better at nouns than verbs.

https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/5/easterling.php

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Written by Devine Lu Linvega on 2025-01-29 at 04:03

In R. W. Kimmerer's Grammar of Animacy, she says that 70% of words in Potawatomi are verbs, as opposed to English in which only 30% are. Through the lens of an animist language, the hill is less there, than there is occupied at being a hill. She puts it succinctly in "A bay is a noun only if water is dead".

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Written by zetta june, chaos arc on 2025-01-29 at 04:25

@neauoire mood

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Written by Brianary on 2025-01-29 at 06:43

@neauoire

This struck me about French. Are romance languages more verb-centric, or is it just me?

I've got a crazy theory that French programmers grasp F# (and maybe FP in general) more easily than anglophones.

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Written by Isaac Freund on 2025-01-29 at 08:44

@neauoire This makes me think of Erich Fromm's To Have or To Be, which makes an incredibly convincing argument that our static, noun-based view of the world (the having mode of existence) is the root of much of our unhappiness and many of societies problems.

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Written by James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺 on 2025-01-29 at 12:56

@ifreund @neauoire And makes me think of Leroy Little Bear's essay "Jagged Worldviews Colliding" about this, and the Eurocentric emphasis on definite binary definitions.

https://www.law.utoronto.ca/sites/default/files/documents/hewitt-leroy_little_bear_on_jagged_worldviews.pdf

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Written by Sergey on 2025-01-29 at 09:35

@neauoire If I understand it right, Ithkuil (artificially created language) has only verbs. There is no noun “dog” in the language, only a verb “to be a dog”.

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Written by Shane Celis on 2025-01-29 at 05:43

@neauoire Fascinating read. More of Bateson’s metalogues here: https://ejcj.orfaleacenter.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/1972.-Gregory-Bateson-Steps-to-an-Ecology-of-Mind.pdf

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Written by Jack Rusher on 2025-01-29 at 08:08

@neauoire If you want to know more about Pitts — and what happened to him — check out Dark Hero of the Information Age: In Search of Norbert Wiener The Father of Cybernetics.

(One of my mentors was very involved in these developments, was roommates with Pitts, &c, and he tells me this account is accurate.)

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Written by Devine Lu Linvega on 2025-01-29 at 15:33

@jack Thanks! I'll have a read : ) I'm catching up with that side of computation history at the moment.

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Written by Andy Wootton on 2025-01-29 at 18:52

@neauoire I blame Object Orientation. If we'd taken the Functional Programming route, state would flow. "It's ALIVE!".

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Written by Devine Lu Linvega on 2025-01-29 at 18:54

@woo state must flow!

https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/neural_nets.html

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Written by Andy Wootton on 2025-01-29 at 19:34

@neauoire It's 1981. I am to add fuzzy logic to a neural network written by a post-grad, as my final year project. I order a book on LISP 1.5. It comes from America, apparently by canoe. When it finally arrives, months late, I catch hepatitis, ironically whilst canoeing. The rest is very much NOT part of Comp. Sci. history.

The End.

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