Proton Says It’s "Politically Neutral" While Praising Republican Party. "It's reasonable to worry that tech companies' backbone for protecting users in this way might soften when they get too politically involved with any one administration," said Andrew Crocker, EFF's surveillance litigation director. https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ #Proton #ProtonMail #AndyYen
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"While Proton states that it 'cannot read any of your messages or hand them over to third parties,' the same doesn’t apply to email subjects; sender or recipient names and email addresses; the time a message was sent; or other information in the 'header' section of email messages."
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For those interested in the alternative options to Proton and their various services, check out my previous posts about this over the last week. (I actually have files syncing elsewhere as I write this, so bye bye Proton...)
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@MediaActivist Opened an account with Tuta yesterday ✊
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@fkamiah17 That's awesome. An interesting difference from them here, too: While, like Proton, mail addresses, senders and recipients remain unencrypted by Tuta, unlike Proton they keep subject lines encrypted alongside attachments, address books, the entire search index, calendars, and even metadata such as notifications.
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Tuta is regularly compliant with police demands for account data, though, an important anti-feature beyond the technicalities of email encryption.
https://tuta.com/blog/transparency-report
For a few options that are less likely to do that (which isn't to say they don't have their own limitations):
https://paper.wf/downas/where-to-get-an-anticapitalist-anti-surveillance-email-address
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@storkanisch @fkamiah17 That's really useful, thanks! It is definitely all about threat modelling - balancing daily user-friendly reliable use with chance of raids. Obviously, any activists carrying out anonymous, often illegal acts, will require much more than the average politically aware person needing an email to, say, link their shopping accounts to.
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Right, & just like it helps to have people using PM who don't have urgent need for encryption, it helps to have people using the left/radical options who don't expect to face political repression personally.
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@storkanisch @fkamiah17 I use some of the more radical options, and have supported a lot over the years, but I wouldn't always recommend all of them all of the time - that's why user-friendly options like Tuta are great (unlike Proton); we don't have to use a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.
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@MediaActivist well, the headers are sent — and must be sent — in the clear. That’s just how email works.
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@jonathankoren At least Tuta ensure subject lines are end-to-end encrypted: https://tuta.com/encryption
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@MediaActivist that’s just because they rip out subject line and rewriting it themselves or something. I doubt whatever trick they’re doing works seemlessly for whatever non tuta recipient, and certainly does not work for any non tuta sender.
Relying on a proprietary hack to open standard is not good opsec.
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@jonathankoren @MediaActivist so is Tuta good to use or not?
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@LordsofHardwired @MediaActivist probably fine. Don’t buy the hype about anything than encrypted bodies and attachments though
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@jonathankoren @MediaActivist so what is a good alternative for finding a new email. I’m open to whatever besides proton.
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Before you do that... What exactly is Proton doing here that you have a problem with?
Being email? (Cause the concerns regarding header data will the case with all)
Or comparing Democrats and Republicans on Anti-Trust priorities?
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@DroidPort @LordsofHardwired @jonathankoren For me? Claiming neutrality in situations of injustice means siding with the oppressor, to paraphrase Desmond Tutu, and I was disgusted by the grotesque "both sides" rhetoric in this era of late capitalism. That's in addition to their overpriced, under-performing services.
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I don't need my email provider to be politically anything.
I think the things they stand for (primarily privacy) should be apolitical in the sense that they should matter to all people.
Proton are not out here being pro-trump era fascism, not matter what lens you want to put it under. Pointing out the difference in Dem and Republicans anti-trust record over the last few administrations is completely justified IMO
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@LordsofHardwired @jonathankoren Tuta are really good. I've posted a lot about them over the last week, and how they compare to Proton (favourably).
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@MediaActivist Proton has some support for this and is slowly rolling it out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/s/gYdpsNBhAD
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@x51 Let them. I think for many of us, the damage to their reputation is already done and it doesn't matter what features they introduce.
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Why can't I find somebody actually explaining this damage, though?
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@DroidPort @x51 Really? It's been all over my timeline all week.
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I've seen people leave Proton because of how they handle email headers... Do I need to explain the stupidity of that?
I've seen people leave because they think Proton is Pro-Trump... I haven't seen anything in their statements that suggest that.
I have seen people suggest that claiming apolitical stances are unacceptable... I think it's more important to remember that they aren't actually possible.
What I haven't seen is a good justification for leaving Proton.
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@MediaActivist Andy made a boo-boo, Andy said "Sorry for the boo-boo", the boo-boo still smarts, Protonmail needs to do more than just accept Andy's apology to restore reputation as a viable alt to corporate/ceo driven services. Interesting thread here -https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/?rdt=37508
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@ArrowbearMoore Yes, some very justifiably pissed off people. And I agree with you totally, much more needed, though the damage may be done for many of us.
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@MediaActivist link to bypass mandatory email signup:
https://12ft.io/https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
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@172frames I love 12ft and forget it's needed as I read a lot of the news stories of my RSS feed reader that seems to display them fine. So thanks!
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@MediaActivist thanks so much for sharing the article!
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