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Written by Space Hobo on 2025-01-27 at 12:40

A lot of people seem to take their opposition to what tech bros call "AI" these days, and end up turning it into a tribal affiliation rather than a reasoned argument. I understand the topic can be emotional, but appeals to emotion have limitations that may work against you.

One of the most important things to understand right now is that #MachineLearning is a SUBSET of #AI, and #generative systems are a subset of that, and #LLMs are a specific technique within those systems. And #ChatGPT is itself a specific implementation of a specific technique within a subset within a subset within...you get the picture.

It's worth reading this article to get some perspective: https://medium.com/@colin.fraser/generative-ai-is-a-hammer-and-no-one-knows-what-is-and-isnt-a-nail-4c7f3f0911aa

The other thing you have to understand is that people who have never been able to make computers do what they want are finally encountering systems that can. They ask their phones in plain language to edit a photo for them, and it does. They load up a voice box and everything they say over the phone sounds like a well-known celebrity is saying it. It's got terrifying implications, but the actual results in some very specific areas are kind of gobsmacking.

To deny this is to hang a sign around your neck saying "nobody should take me seriously". As technical people, we know exactly the sorts of rakes they're walking onto, but claiming that these systems are 100% useless is going to make you sound like an unrealistic crank to them. The fact that generative video is trash and the best image generators can't do hands even now, and that prompt generation can't reproduce anything it's done before...all that is true, but so are the other things.

I fucking hate these things, but I also know that if I just get mad I'll be ignored. You're all getting mad, and you're going to be ignored.

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Written by Space Hobo on 2025-01-27 at 13:22

A lot of the anger comes across the way creationists sound when they try and take down evolutionary biology. They'll attack discredited perspectives like Lysenkoism or eugenics, and pit Darwin against de Vries without acknowledging Gould in any way. They'll appeal to emotion and drown you in anecdote, hoping you'll become exhausted by the O.G. Gish Gallop.

Sure, take down eugenics! Take down Lysenko! The problem isn't evolutionary biology: it's the way that despots advanced pet subtheories in service of advancing their state's status on the world stage. Get mad about ChatGPT or whatever horrible film-generating slophouse is getting the government funding this month. Take those things down, but understand that you're trying to cut a tumour out of a larger body rather than trying to stab that body in the heart.

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Written by Jason on 2025-01-27 at 13:57

@spacehobo thanks for this, I really enjoyed this article, he makes a lot of good points.

I cannot make the number of asterisks come to either 28 OR 29, no matter how many times I count them.

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Written by Jon Roach on 2025-01-27 at 17:06

@spacehobo bravo.

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