A conversation which often comes to mind: when a hard-left friend said, prior to 2016, that they hoped Trump would win because it would “stick it to the elites".
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I still hear some of the same sentiment today. “Harris lost my vote when X”. She didn't lose your vote: you chose not to do the one thing you could have done to stop the slide into actual, proper fascism.
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You didn't vote for Clinton, because she wasn't left enough. And so Roe got overturned. You didn't vote for Harris because she wasn't left enough. And so democracy gets overturned.
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Stop making excuses. You didn't vote for them because ultimately you don't care. You would rather “your body my choice" became the law of the land than you have to hold your nose and vote for someone impure.
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@ianb You didn’t vote for a candidate who you found impure, and so you allowed the most venal, corrupt and two faced candidate to win. Twice. Your impossibly high moral standards are as stupid as you are.
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@davidbcohen Amen.
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With these people, the perfect is the lethal enemy of the good.
@ianb @Remittancegirl
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@ianb You libs are so exhausting. I did vote for Clinton. From Wisconsin, no less. It didn't do jack shit.
Y'know what else I did, dozens of times before Harris was selected as the Dem candidate? Wrote to the party, and my own reps, telling them Biden needed to go and that they needed to run someone who wouldn't perpetuate the genocide. And that didn't do jack either because the Dems are a failed institution full of cowards.
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@akjcv I’m literally a communist, pal.
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@ianb It is odd to me (another Canadian here) when people tried — and still try — to equate the two.
Would Harris have pardoned 1500 January 6th rioters, some of whom attacked police?
Would she have made overtones about wanting Greenland to become part of the U.S., maybe by buying it or maybe by force?
Would she put completely inept people, some full-on dangerous in their opinions, in positions of huge influence and power?
… and would one of those appointees have given full-on seig heils during the inauguration?
And all that inside Week 1?
No?
Then guess what: Harris and Trump aren’t anywhere near the same.
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@ianb how about democrat candidates stop making excuses for supporting genocide and right-wing policies instead?
I don't understand this obsession of blaming millions of voters when it's clearly the candidates who are wrong. You want people to vote for your party? Don't run an asshole. If you still choose to run an asshole, the responsibility is yours. That's not rocket science.
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@ianb Something I hear a lot of up here, people say they're voting "for change", but change, in the abstract, is never on the menu, it's always and only ever a very specific change, and that's the one you voted for, so own it.
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@ianb wtf?
It wasn’t the left that tanked those campaigns. Those campaigns and those candidates made choices on what to platform and how to communicate said platform.
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@PlasticJohnny Yep, it’s always someone else’s responsibility for how people vote, never their own.
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@ianb @PlasticJohnny She proudly stood along side Liz Cheney through the campaign. She didn't want the left vote, she thought she didn't need it.
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I voted for Harris in 2024, but it's not the left's fault that her abandonment of her extremely popular leftist positions cost her the election. It's the politician's job to appeal to voters, not the voters' job to vote for a certain politician no matter what. We don't owe Harris or Clinton anything. If you lose an election because you started trying to appeal to your corporate donors rather than your voters, that's YOUR FAULT.
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@ianb Would anything have changed? Harris was happy supporting genocide.
Democracy was overturned long ago. The mere appearance of democracy is not enough.
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@alfredo Well, the US might not be illegally deporting people, trans people might still have the minimal rights they had, and I don’t think Harris would have proposed moving all five million Palestinians from Palestine to Egypt. But you know this, right?
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@alfredo @ianb My goodness, you do deserve Trump.
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@cpurdy @ianb Nobody deserves Trump. But Trump is the result of a failed political system, of which the Democrats are an essential part. Unfortunately it's much easier to wring your hands and whine than to figure out how to build a real democracy.
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@alfredo @ianb No way to say this nicely: Your "both sides" nonsense is the cause of why we are here. There's no "both sides" to this. There are simply people who want to serve the public (all across the political spectrum, liberals conservatives whatever), and people who don't. Trump and his ignorant cult following are on the "don't" side of that equation, more akin to nihilists than conservatives. Blaming Democrats for Trumpies being nihilists is both counterproductive and stupid.
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@cpurdy @ianb You don't understand what I am saying. It has nothing to do with sides. The underlying political system that allows anyone to capture the government or the judiciary is fatally flawed. We are at a point where it doesn't matter who you vote for.
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@alfredo @cpurdy I would very much like you to sit on a military flight with immigrants who are being deported literally in chains and say “it really doesn’t matter who you vote for”. Or to to any trans people serving in the military. Or to any of the countless people that Trump’s victory is already harming.
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@ianb @alfredo Well said. That's a simple way to explain it.
The self-righteous equivocation between "not perfect" and "horribly evil" gets tiring.
As the saying goes: "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."
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@ianb @cpurdy Or maybe spend a night in Gaza.
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@alfredo @cpurdy Which, because people didn’t vote for Harris, the people of Gaza now won’t get the chance to do - as the Trump plan is to exile them to Egypt, again. So yeah, maybe ask them if not voting for Harris was “standing with them”.
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@alfredo @cpurdy Or maybe you want to have a chat to the 3.9m people - low income families, disabled, pregnant people - who as of 5pm today get no healthcare through Medicaid. Tell them how you’re sorry, but their lives don’t matter.
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@ianb Democrat leadership repeatedly shits on progressive ideals then blames progressives for noticing that they've been rejected as a constituency by their supposed leaders. Politicians choose their constituency just as voters choose their leaders. It's a matter of priorities. Democrat leaders prioritized warmongering fake progressivism, and so they rejected their anti-war constituents. Conversely, many progressives prioritized their antiwar anti-elitist ideals over practicality.
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@MaierAmsden I don’t disagree. But I’m not going to explain to immigrants deported in chains , people denied Medicare, and so that I wasn’t prepared to vote because their interests are not something I care about enough.
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@ianb Agreed. I also think Democrat leadership shat the bed and continues to shit the bed and won't stop shitting the bed because *they don't have everyone's interests at heart - too busy chasing other narrower ($$$) constituencies. There's no viable progressive party in this country, and that's the heart of our electoral problem. Chiding the people who notice this and vote accordingly doesn't fix it. "We're less shitty than Trump" isn't the winning message some people seem to think it is.
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