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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-23 at 23:31

Via the Algorithmic Sabotage Research Group (@asrg) ...

... here's a list of code designed to poison the well for AI web-scrapers

https://tldr.nettime.org/@asrg/113867412641585520

(thanks to @peterfr for pointing this one out!)

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Written by peterfr on 2025-01-23 at 23:41

@clive @asrg

That heading – Sabot in the Age of AI – is 👌🏽

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-23 at 23:42

@peterfr @asrg

heh heh yes

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Written by Marisa on 2025-01-23 at 23:49

@clive @asrg @peterfr not sure what this means but sounds helpful!

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 00:45

@marisa @asrg @peterfr

basically, one key way that companies like OpenAI train their language AI is by using "web crawler" software that roams around online, copying the text off web sites ("web scraping", as it's called) so they can have a consistently refreshed pile o' text for training their AI

you need lots of freshly written human words to train an AI -- and people are constantly writing stuff on their sites!

So what these tools do is ...

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 00:47

@marisa @asrg @peterfr

... attempt to detect if an OpenAI web-crawler is trying to copy the text off a web site ...

... and if so, it generates fake pages with crap text -- which the OpenAI web crawler assumes are real, and thus dutifully copies

So OpenAI winds up feeding junk/fake/mangled text as training material into its next version of ChatGPT

The attitude is: "So, you wanna copy our site, so you can train your AI -- without us getting a penny from you? Okay, here's some junk data"

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Written by Marisa on 2025-01-24 at 00:49

@clive Oh... I love it(!)

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 00:51

@marisa

🤘 🤖

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Written by Marisa on 2025-01-24 at 01:05

@clive thank you for taking the time to explain. ✨ am learning so much here

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 02:33

@marisa

that's what the internet is for!

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Written by Jonathan Lamothe on 2025-01-23 at 23:49

@clive I love this!

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 00:49

@me

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Written by Devin on 2025-01-23 at 23:53

@clive @asrg @peterfr Always pleased to see when this idea comes around again -- we were doing this ~20 years ago when spammers were crawling the web looking for email addresses, and "make sure the 'Danger: Keep Out' sign has some danger behind it" keeps being useful in new ways.

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Written by Clive Thompson on 2025-01-24 at 00:49

@carraway @asrg @peterfr

very cool!

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Written by 𝕎𝕦𝕝𝕗𝕪 on 2025-01-24 at 01:18

@clive @asrg @peterfr

“The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.”

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Written by elle mundy on 2025-01-24 at 04:48

@clive @asrg @peterfr iocaine has fork bomb vibes. i love it

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Written by Chris on 2025-01-24 at 08:33

@clive @asrg @peterfr adding a watermark over text, making and flattening a pdf is a solid way to really mess with anything involving OCR for machine learning

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