I don't want to start shit, but what is a "hopefully not-for-profit" corporation, and why do we think that's interchangeable with a foundation?
What would be the relationship between, the foundation, corporation, dan, and the apps? What would the foundation's charter be? In what jurisdiction? Who would run it?
I would like these projects to succeed, and be long term stable components of the fediverse. Why does this stuff always feel so improvised?
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@jenniferplusplus as I understand, it's a nontrivial and fairly lengthy process to become a legally recognized non-profit
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@emc2 I'm aware, and that doesn't answer any of my questions.
My concern stems from the fact that I can't tell if Dan knows that. Based on this, it doesn't seem like it.
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@jenniferplusplus Huh. I wonder if OpenCV could/should do a pixelfed.
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Do these foundations ever work towards the project goals?
Most of them end up draining resources and money from the main project into their vampiric board members.
The list of bad ones (off the top of my head, probably many more) can fill a whole book.
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@jenniferplusplus he is literally improvising
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@jenniferplusplus We don't have good templates. I don't know specifically about this situation, but geeks aren't known for being particularly knowledgeable about the ins and outs of corporate for/not profit governance, and vagueness often means "once I have a bit of money, I will hire a lawyer who will figure things out."
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@j12t There is absolutely no shortage of people who can offer that expertise.
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@j12t @jenniferplusplus Is there a template/guide for this sort of thing that we could share/use/recommend? It is hard going from "here is a software project I think will be useful and I'm doing the best I can", to something larger and more official, and I don't think most people know how to navigate it. I certainly don't, and it is intimidating enough trying to work on a project that you don't even know people will like or use, so people tend to focus on that and then worry about the next steps after. A lot of it is absolutely improvised when it isn't part of an actual organization with support structures.
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You go to something like this, https://www.meetup.com/dallas-startup-founder-101/events/305574802
Then you wait your turn, describe your project, and tell a roomful of people with exactly the right kind of experience that you imagine it being stewarded by a foundation, or non-profit, and you want to know how to get started and what to expect.
Or you ask your 20k followers if someone with non-profit or foundation experience would have that conversation with you 1-on-1. Or you ask your open collective fiscal sponsor if they can connect you with resources.
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@jenniferplusplus @Shivaekul I agree that the knowledge is readily available. There is an entire industry that outsources the management of not for profits. But investigating it takes time, and for a developer, it’s often not in the top-N list of priorities.
If we had a site that said “here is how you set up your fediverse open source project foundation in twelve easy steps” and “here are there foundations that you know that have followed this process…”
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@j12t @Shivaekul It needs to become a priority before you ask people for $30,000
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@jenniferplusplus @Shivaekul I would do that, too, but then, in this case, it seems to have worked :-)
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@jenniferplusplus yeah, working this out should really be a priority for the pixelfed team given this kickstarter campaign.
You need a legal entity to hold copyright, trademarks, etc.
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@thisismissem The one self-contradictory paragraph does not fill me with confidence that those things will happen
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@jenniferplusplus @thisismissem FWIW in the US, a non-profit legally is a corporation that has also been approved for tax exempt status. A foundation is a corporation that did not qualify as a charity but met additional requirements to obtain tax exempt status. Obtaining charity or foundation tax exemptions come after incorporating. All US non-profits start out as for profit corporations
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@jenniferplusplus yeah, this feels sketchy. The most charitable reading is that he has no idea what he’s doing nor talking about, and didn’t bother to ask anyone running any of the bigger fediverse instances what they’re doing either.
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@jonathankoren right? They hachyderm crew are so eager to share their experience. I feel like SFBA is, too. And any of a dozen others.
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It inspired me to define the #OneManArmy social experience design anti-pattern.
Related.. I stopped considering #FOSS as a workable concept, other than idk licensing talk. Instead use #SOSS for Sustainable open social software / systems / services. Which are projects that properly address relevant aspects of their #FSDL, their Free software development lifecycle that prescribe #sustainability-first and at all times.
E.g. post no Zuck open letters before that.
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https://social.coop/@smallcircles/113850378603926462
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Apparently there's trouble in Pixelfed land. Usually I'd might just roll my eyes a bit about "drama", but usually such FOSS spats don't end up with the guy making a public comment on github that says, "I can't say if NLnet will revoke my funding or not".
Seems related to the whole weird ass funding post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelFed/comments/1i7md2m/anyone_know_what_this_is_about_this_is_the/
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@jenniferplusplus I can’t read “hopefully not for profit corporation” without immediately thinking about OpenAI’s promises.
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@jenniferplusplus @miah Coding is the "easiest" "most fun" part.
Making it real needs a lot of work, and often the work is outside of the skills of the breathless person trying to show people art that is getting big enough to fall on people.
The things I've seen there aren’t yet exploding my "he's definitely lying & evil” detector, but I'm not equipped to evaluate it much more deeply yet.
So it's a wait-and-see for me… but ugh. The real world is a lot right now.
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