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Written by Garden Punk on 2025-01-22 at 00:03

Is there anything I should know about #Signal? Seems like a less cool #Matrix or #XMPP to use with folks I know will never use either of those.

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Written by Garden Punk on 2025-01-22 at 12:52

Some clarifications, I already use Matrix, and I've used Jabber/XMPP in the past, as we'll as delta chat.

Currently, I use Discord for a couple of groups where privacy isn't an issue, i use Matrix for an Anarchist group chat I'm in, and I text with friends and family.

Being an Unemployed 40-ish dude, my social circle consists of 3 family members and 2 old long-distance friendships. I'm not a particularly Social Socialist.

Im basically looking at Signal because I haven't had much luck getting the two friends and my wife on Matrix, and I'd prefer to move away from sms/mms.

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Written by MxFraud on 2025-01-22 at 00:05

@Capheind signal doesn't break with random "you cannot decrypt this message" and joinning a group chat is instantaneous.

There is probably a lower group limit than matrix or xmpp, but at that point, maybe none of them are good to handle that many people.

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Written by Hans on 2025-01-22 at 06:51

@mxfraud @Capheind

Delta Chat is a decentralized and secure messenger app

💬 Reliable instant messaging with multi-profile and multi-device support

⚡️ Sign up to secure fast chatmail servers or use classic e-mail servers

🥳 Interactive web apps in chats for gaming and collaboration

🔒 Audited end-to-end encryption safe against network and server attacks

👉 FOSS software, built on Internet Standards, avoiding xkcd927 :)

https://delta.chat/en/

[#]deltachat #xmpp #signal #matrix

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Written by Hans on 2025-01-22 at 06:52

[#]deltachat #xmpp #signal #matrix

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Written by Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️ on 2025-01-22 at 07:00

@hans06801 @mxfraud @Capheind

I'll fully admit that I haven't fully looked into DeltaChat's tech, but I have trouble imagining any app that communicates over email is particularly secure...

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Written by Hans on 2025-01-22 at 07:10

@Blort @mxfraud @Capheind

https://delta.chat/en/help#which-standards-are-used-for-end-to-end-encryption

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Written by Matthias on 2025-01-22 at 07:48

@Blort @hans06801 @mxfraud @Capheind You should rethink that point 🙂

It has several security audits:

https://delta.chat/en/2023-03-27-third-independent-security-audit

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Written by Diane on 2025-01-22 at 00:06

@Capheind

Their method of doing text message phone number verification is expensive and they need donations.

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Written by ff7 on 2025-01-22 at 07:48

@Capheind

• it's centrelized

• but #matrix #mautrix #signal #bridge works quite fine.

• With #schubladenhändi (*), or with your phone

• ervery once in a while a captcha needs to be resolved (e.g. when adding a new contact, not all the time)

(*) smartphone, which sits in a drawer all the time. switch on only when captcha or so needed.

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Written by j@mastodon on 2025-01-22 at 13:03

@Capheind

Signal is verifiably e2ee.

That puts it ahead of Matrix.

Matrix has had a lot of security issues, and they just announced they will solve escalability issues by going close source for bigger projects. That alone is an immediate exclusion factor, taking into consideration European gov agencies have adopted it.

XMPP is the place to go for anonymity, but least user friendly.

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Written by j@mastodon on 2025-01-22 at 13:09

@Capheind

The downside of Signal is that it was overhyped as secure.

There are no guarantees the software running as server is what you have published, given it's centralized.

Given the over reliance on it as a secure product, it is a hugely high level target for attacks by US gov agencies and being hosted in AWS it should be considered compromised IMHO.

So forget about metadata level privacy.

Still a huge leap from WA and SMS and Matrix.

Expect the US Government to know who you contact.

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Written by j@mastodon on 2025-01-22 at 13:16

@Capheind

So definitely worth it to consider alternatives to Signal if:

• you need to protect your social graph from US gov

• metadata privacy is important for you

• you are concerned about having a single point of failure

What alternatives is the million dollar question.

XMPP on Tor?

DeltaChat on Tor?

Simplex? ...

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