A question for the #neurodivergent crowd: You know how the Double Empathy Problem refers to the problems autistic and non-autistic (allistic) people have understanding each other right? Well what I want to know is, do you think that this can happen with different types of neurodivergent people, say autistic and adhd people? I know some people like this and I'm starting to think that they may have this problem too. What do you think? Does anyone else have any experience with this? Any ideas on how to get them to communicate, understand each other, and interact better? I have some ideas, but I want to get other experiences too. Being audhd myself, I can see both sides pretty clearly I believe, but I want to help my friends with their problems.
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@murdoc @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @actuallyaudhd Owwww that's a good question, now I read this... I'm. AuDHD as well, and very curious towards the answers, as I have no real idea myself... Boosted the Toot, hopefully you'll get some better answers than mine. 😉
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one thing I’ve heard is that Autism and Allism are opposites, but you can be ADHD and Allistic, maybe sometimes it’s the very same barrier, the DEP again.
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Otherwise, I suppose, but I’m too new and too alone to know.
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@murdoc @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @actuallyaudhd at least in my experience and around me this is the case. Neurodivergent people tend to at least understant each other and often get along, but have more trouble with neurotypical people.
In fact, my mother took a lot of time to accept that I was ADHD (and still rejects the idea of autism) because my siblings and I act "normal" around each other. Just because we all agree that conversation topics must change every 3min while we interrupt each other and one of us refuses to abandon the first topic because it was their current special interest, it does not mean we are "normal" outside, we just have our own little society.
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@murdoc @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @actuallyaudhd yes but I'm also not sure if it's double empathy or a clashing of accessibility needs and brain functions.
I struggle to follow a show if there are subtitles on screen, my ADHD housemate can't follow a show without subtitles.
I say that to explain the clash of needs; I communicate bluntly a lot, she struggles to voice her needs at all cos RSD.
Not sure if it counts as double empathy or what but there are definitely issues.
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@alexisbushnell @murdoc @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @actuallyaudhd It sounds as if you’re talking about it at least
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ADHD woman married to an autistic man (with several ADHD and some AuDHD family members) here.
I find it interesting that double empathy is almost always brought up as an autistic to allistic issue, because it seems to describe an experience that I have dealing with people that don't have ADHD too.
I would say the double empathy problem is significantly easier to bridge the gap with another person who is ALSO used to being misunderstood.
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So ADHD to autistic, we share some similarities not common in neurotypical people, but there are also some significant differences.
However, when two people are both very conscious that their experiences are often not the same as others', there's a lot of opportunity for communication and understanding.
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@artemis @murdoc @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd @actuallyaudhd The only research I've read on the issue says that allistic people with ADHD have a relatively small double-empathy gap with both NTs and autistics, making them a kind of bridge between both worlds.
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In my experience, what we the “double empathy problem” is a specific example of the more general “incorrect similarity assumption” - which I mostly observe when white people make assumptions about the lived experiences of people of color or straight people make assumptions about the lived experience of queers.
When a person experiences these incorrect assumptions being applied to them regularly, it can burn out the ability to invest in feeling empathy at all. And this can lead to isolation and empathy only for those who are very similar.
But, alternatively, the experience can heighten the sensitivity to the dangers of making assumptions (especially when we recognize that these assumptions are happening). Because of this, some who are neurodivergent (or queer or not white) are very able to empathize with others who are neurodivergent in dissimilar ways - by taking care not to make assumptions.
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As they say, you meet one autistic person, you've met one autistic person. Same with ADHD folx. We may not all get along, but we can acknowledge our shared root of neurodivergence.
This might sound terrible and like I am anti-meds (which I am decidedly not;
they absolutely have their place), but as an undiagnosed autistic ten years ago, I was in a relationship with an undiagnosed ADHD person, and it was when they got a diagnosis/medication (which they said helped them immensely) that we started to have problems in communicating and relating. ☹️
So there is that wrinkle.
Autism does not in and of itself require medication, but ADHD can be positively affected by medication. My perception was that their personality completely changed. By the time they left, I honestly did not know who they were anymore.
Besides that, I really haven't had that many issues with the other neurodivergent people I've met.
Once I realized that I was autistic, I was able to understand that the autistic friends that I have might be different to me, but we are still neurokin. Same with my ADHD pals.
There's a lot of grace available in recognizing this.
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I think it can happen to autist vs anyone also adhd and other nd. But I also think it is possible for adhd vs others.
It might be worst for those autists who have internalized that when there is a problem (in communication) it is their fault.
All nd are pressed to be less. Most allistic are not used to needing to put effort into things like communication.
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