Ancestors

Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-20 at 13:21

the feeling i get whenever somebody calls the contents of a public litter-basket "well organized" (which happens never) is the same i get whenever somebody calls capitalism a "system" (which happens a lot)

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Toot

Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-20 at 13:28

we don't need to change the system, as there is none. if possible, we need to create one in the first place. it starts with a specification. and the specification starts with a rationale: what are the goals?

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Descendants

Written by Arciel Rekman on 2025-01-20 at 14:43

@lritter The main learning I have from living under an organized system is that there are as many goals in life as there are people, and I don't trust attempts to reduce them...

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Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-20 at 14:55

@rcl let's collect and categorize 8 billion goals then first

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Written by Arciel Rekman on 2025-01-20 at 15:55

@lritter But why? Let everyone live how they want and influence the world to the extent they can.

Oversimplifying bc ofc there is a place for some rules, but all attempts to impose a coherent system on the people have so far ended in unlivable disasters.

Rulemakers of such systems, even if they start with a good intent, become the ultimate power brokers and experience enormous corruptive forces that no human has so far been able to withstand.

Embrace the dynamic balance aka the mess.

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Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-21 at 00:21

@rcl what harm is there in a specification? no one ever wrote one.

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Written by posniewski on 2025-01-20 at 18:47

@lritter It's an ideology, an "ism", and over time this ideology infected statecraft. This has yielded laws, agencies, armies, and treaties -- a system -- which serve to keep the ideology preeminent. e.g. The idea that stock price ("shareholder value") is the only measure of fitness of a company's decisions is something that would have been thought of as extremely distasteful in 1945. (The Revlon rule is the reason why the Twitter board legally HAD to sell Twitter like it did.)

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Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-21 at 00:19

@posniewski "no no, that's no garbage, that's an ideology!" - "but it stinks!" - "the smell is intended!"

it's the texas sharpshooter fallacy

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Written by posniewski on 2025-01-21 at 00:31

@lritter Oh, that ideology is certainly garbage. :-) Just saying that we "systemified the ideology".

Which immediately makes me think of "immanentize the eschaton", and maybe Robert Anton Wilson was channeling this timeline. Has anyone checked on Lake Totenkopf?

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Written by Leonard Ritter on 2025-01-21 at 10:15

@posniewski looks less like a system to me and more like a shoddy quilt of patches

like i said, it's the texas sharpshooter fallacy

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