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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 02:20

"RE6 to München Hauptbahnhof departs Seefeld in Tirol at: 9:15, 10:04, 13:15, 16:04, 17:15, 20:04, 21:15": schedules dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 02:31

Even with coordinated interchanges, that's every two hours starting at 7:15 until 21:15 (direct via GaPa every four hours at 9:15, 13:15, 17:15, 21:15; with interchange at GaPa every four hours at 7:15, 11:15, 15:15, 19:15)... plus another direct train at 10:04, 16:04, 20:04?

Or, for the small stretch from Seefeld in Tirol to Mittenwald: every two hours starting at 7:15 until 21:15, plus 10:04, 16:04, 20:04. Wtf.

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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 02:39

The post above brought to you by Innsbruck -> Garmisch-Partenkirchen regional connections departing at even:38 (from 6:38 to 20:38), plus 9:08, 15:08 and 19:08, while Railjets from Italy arrive to Innsbruck at even:36 (from 12:36 to 20:36), on a completely different platform.

So RJ88 from Bologna: wait 2 hours for onward transfer; RJ86 from Bologna: two interchanges in Innsbruck and Seefeld half-hour each; RJ84 from Venice: like RJ88; RJ82 from Ancona: like RJ86; EC80 from Venice: just don't.

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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 12:27

Oh it gets even funnier than that.

Innsbruck -> Scharnitz (last stop in Austria) is served at 30-30-60 intervals: any:08 trains mostly terminating at Scharnitz (with 9:08, 15:08 and 19:08 terminating earlier in Seefeld but coordinated with Seefeld to Munchen trains, with half hour transfer), plus even:38 trains going to Munchen.

Mittenwald (first stop in Germany) -> Munchen: served at 60-minute intervals at any:36, with odd:36 coming from Innsbruck; 10:36, 16:36, 20:36 coming from Seefeld; and the rest of even:36 starting at Mittenwald.

Scharnitz -> Mittenwald (next stops, 6km): served at 120-minute intervals, plus three additional trains during the day.

Because who needs to travel across the border? (CC @jon I guess)

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Written by vorortanleiter 🇺🇦 on 2025-01-19 at 15:09

@IngaLovinde @jon it's because there is no station/passing loop on the single track line at that location, which would be necessary to enable a 60min-takt Garmisch - Innsbruck in the current timetable structure.

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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 17:21

@vorortanleiter @jon judging by the map, there are passing loops at both Mittenwald and Scharnitz?

The entire line from Innsbruck Westbf to Murnau is single track (with passing loops on almost all stations), yet there is a 30/30/60 takt to the south of Scharnitz, 60-minute takt to the north of Mittenwald (even 30-minute northbound in the morning / southbound in the evening), yet on this small crossborder stretch it's only 120-minute.

How is the stretch between Scharnitz and Mittenwald different from the rest of the line? Except that it's crossborder, of course.

Why is it possible to have 60-minute takt (or even more frequent trains) on 33 single-tracked km to the south of Scharnitz, on 44 single-tracked km to the north of Mittenwald, but not on less than 6km of line between them?

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Written by Inga is looking for a job on 2025-01-19 at 17:34

@vorortanleiter @jon the more realistic potential reason would be that it's 58 minutes between Innsbruck and Mittenwald, so terminating S6 in Mittenwald would be somewhat inconvenient for ÖBB (round trip would take a bit more than 2 hours, breaking the tact or reducing the utilization of trains), and of course ÖBB doesn't care about serving Mittenwald enough to do that.

While DB probably doesn't care enough to send 2x more of their regional trains to Innsbruck to provide 60-minute coverage rather than 120-minute.

And for DB, terminating their regional trains at Scharnitz rather than Mittenwald would probably be inconvenient too (maybe because Scharnitz to GaPa similarly takes 29 minutes, so a bit over an hour for a round-trip). The passing loops are there, but arranging a schedule carefully to leverage them just to provide a convenient interchange for Innsbruck? They wouldn't bother.

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