Hey chat can we please publicly shame Siemens for this article https://blog.siemens.com/2025/01/bitcoin-is-energy-2/
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Day by day I grow more convinced that what we actually need at this point is damn Planwirtschaft
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While we’re at it, can we please let the car industry finally die? Like, 20 years of mismanagement won’t get fixed overnight, just stop them all and let the state pay the workers while they learn something useful for society
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@uint8_t add Boeing, but also leave us aliens some way to visit you
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@crystalmoon @uint8_t
Don't we have teleporters already? I mean, what do we need Boeing for visiting Earthlings.
Apart from the questionable taste of visiting Earthlings (in both senses: They neither taste good (already too much contaminated, too much rage hormons), nor are they entertaining).
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@uint8_t I am not entirely convinced. But we should now have the compute power to schedule resource usage and production.
Would be at least worth to build a simulation and try it at a smaller scale.
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@neuron @uint8_t
That's not a queestion of scheduling, but of ideology.
Also admittedly perhaps rather of strategy: What do you schedule if you don't know/agree where you want to go/arrive? A simulation won't help you there, finding goals.
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@glitzersachen @neuron sustainability
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@uint8_t @neuron
That's probably rather a constraint. The central tenet of capitalism is, that goals sort themselves out (by competition) practically automatically without a central decision mechanism. For the scheduling by simulation it would be necessary to state the goals beforehand, so the simulation parameters can be adjusted so that the goals are reached by the actual execution of the plan later?
Simulation for scheduling doesn't help with the question how to arrive at the goals (as a society). And have some degree of agreement on them.
That was, what I wanted to say.
Capitalism ditches the question altogether (the right goals were what came out in the end because that was what survived the competition).
It's assumed that "growth" and "maximizing value" helps arriving at good goals. So they optimize for that locally and pretend to hope that globally all gets better this way.
Recent developments make me doubt this.
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@glitzersachen @neuron make sure everyone is housed, fed, educated, free to pursue personal goals, while the systems providing these goals operate sustainably. also the rest of the market economy should be regulated in a way that ensures emission control at a sustainable rate
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@uint8_t @neuron
I am pretty sure, it will be difficult this days to get consensus even on that.
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@glitzersachen @neuron that’s because we lack a vision, and most the courage to even dream a better world
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@uint8_t @neuron
No. Homo sapiens brains these days just already run the wrong programs. And it's difficult to bootstrap into a better mindset from that.
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@glitzersachen @uint8_t Sure, but who get's how much might be easier to decide. Not that powers wouldn't want more powers in any case.
How we decide what is a fair share and how do we agree what is important will likely always be a point of contention.
But maybe we could agree on simpler questions if there are more objective measures. Like basic needs will be served first before everything else.
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@uint8_t The problem with Planwirtschaft is the same problem as with capitalism. Greedy motherfuckers corrupting everything.
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@yngmar @uint8_t
Problem is concentration of power. Greediness is probably s.th. that will take a couple of civilization collapses to breed out of homo sapiens, so some 10000s of years. If at all.
A good system must account for greediness (and rein it in).
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@glitzersachen @uint8_t You can just say "more CEO shootings please".
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@yngmar @uint8_t
Frankly, I don't think it really intersects with my concern controlling greediness, because the power of killing of enemies can pretty soon get out of control itself, so it's not really an antidote to power concentration and consequent unchecked greediness.
As principle it's unsustainable, though these days WRT shootings of predatory CEOs I tend to just point to Michael Moore's answer (here: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/dec/16/yes-i-condemn-michael-moore-responds-to-luigi-mangiones-manifesto)
"Just a government – two broken parties – enabling this INDUSTRY’s theft and, yes, murder.
“And now the press is calling me to ask, ‘Why are people angry, Mike? Do you condemn murder, Mike?’
“Yes, I condemn murder, and that’s why I condemn America’s broken, vile, rapacious, bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral health care industry …”
It didn't say I want death penalty, mind you. I only dislike murderers and I dislike the bigger murderers more.
That's a reasonable position, me thinks.
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@glitzersachen @yngmar people who think their memes are some force of nature, or „human nature“
and ignoring ten thousand years of living without these brainworms 😔
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@uint8_t
Or we need harsh penalties for both of the following felonies:
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@uint8_t what's with their use of quotes....???
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@uint8_t Call me again when I can power my stove with bitcoin. There's also a second even more dumb-sounding article: https://blog.siemens.com/2025/01/firewood-coal-uranium-bitcoin-the-next-step-in-energy-transport/ Of course, it's full of AI slop imagery.
The disclaimer at the end really is the cherry on top: The author exchanges work and time by tokenized energy.
Like ???
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@karotte @uint8_t they're doing a series on this BS https://blog.siemens.com/2025/01/bitcoin-blog-series-2/
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@maris @karotte what a terrible day to be able to read
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@karotte @uint8_t
"it's full of AI slop imagery." Good chance that not only the imagery is AI slop.
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@uint8_t WTAF?
And the worst part of this is that, for the text, I tried two different AI detectors and both indicate negative, so I don’t know how radiation-damaged or something the author is…
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@uint8_t this reads like a Dr. Bronner’s bottle
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@uint8_t what does it even mean?
"The world has never had a profitable use of energy that’s location independent. Now it does. Historically, our energy challenge has been to move the power to the people. With Bitcoin mining, we don’t need to."
Sounds like he took too much AI slop to the brain.
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@neuron @uint8_t
"never had a profitable use of energy that’s location independent"
Like, I mean, electricity. And frankly, perhaps, oil. You can ship it, you know.
Sounds like he took too much AI slop to the brain.
Sounds about right.
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@uint8_t what even is "Siemens Blog" and who thought it would be a good idea
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@nicofee @uint8_t
Saving on the PR agency by buying an "AI"?
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@uint8_t lmao what the fuck is this article :neocat_facepalm:
The whole thermodynamic thing is bullshit, yes technically a minuscule amount of entropy is stored but it's pretty much 100% going to heat
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@marta @uint8_t
No need to store entropy. Entropy can always generated quickly on demand 😉 .
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@uint8_t
"Although everybody has a feeling of what energy is, is difficult to give a precise definition for it. "
Yo, certainly. For the dolts who wrote that article, probably. There is a whole discipline of science, though, that practically founded itself by recognizing the conservation of energy, so they know. I am one of them.
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@uint8_t
Oh no.
"Bitcoin is a Digital Adiabatic Energy Token, that stores the energy used to unlock it, through time."
I am not going to dissect this. So incredibly stupid. So they (self admittedly) don't know what energy is, have obviously no clue what "adiabatic" means and probably only heard the words "digital" and "token" somewhere.
I see 2 possibilities:
For the LLM possibility I have to demand
[#]ButlerianJihadNow
Sorry. That was almost too fast.
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@glitzersachen@hachyderm.io @uint8_t@chaos.social I'm glad I'm seeing that someone called bitcoin an adiabatic energy token through your post, instead of in the wild, because my eyes would probably burst into flames if I saw that without an immediate criticism of how incredibly ... ugh that is.
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@glitzersachen@hachyderm.io @uint8_t@chaos.social like I don't know how to tell you that converting energy into "potential economic advantage" is actually just pure fucking entropy, there is no goddamn energy concept of "economic potential", that isn't a fucking thing.
unless I can literally smash open a bitcoin to heat my house, it's not a fucking energy store. for chrissakes.
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@glitzersachen@hachyderm.io @uint8_t@chaos.social fucking... this is like some sort of science washing attempt or something. what a load of garbage. there's no energy stored there dipshits! you've done nothing useful arrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh all a coin mining does, ultimately, is reconfigure some bits (in the form of magnetic fields or whatever the storage device has) and produce heat and aggghhhhhhh it's all waste.
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@aud @uint8_t
"this is like some sort of science washing attempt or something"
No it can't, because that would require a smidgen of competence.
Or can it ...?
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@glitzersachen@hachyderm.io @uint8_t@chaos.social "an attempt was made"
"you're calling THAT an attempt?" lmao YOU'RE RIGHT
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@aud @uint8_t
LOL. Yes. It's so terrible.
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@glitzersachen if anything LSD, it’s the lack of
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@uint8_t
"Why is Bitcoin energy? Because there isn’t any other way to bring Bitcoin to existence without spending energy"
Yo. It takes edibles to bring my shit into existence, therefore my shit is edible.
That's not even a fallacy. That's unadulterated grade A moronic.
My God. I need to save this, just in case they pull it.
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@glitzersachen @uint8_t
Next up: CO2 is Energy so we must produce more!
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@uint8_t
Well, Siemens is at threads.net. In principle we could CC to @siemens@threads.net with "aren't you soooo ashamed", but unfortunately my instance (hachyderm.io) blocks (rightly so) threads.de.
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@uint8_t The good news is: They got a damn good humor department. The bad news is: Their timing is way off, they published an April's fools' article three months early.
Any alternative explanation does not bear imagining.
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@uint8_t what a heap of bullshit
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