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Written by John Gruber on 2025-01-14 at 14:28

The EU sacked its crusading grandstanding duo of Margrethe Vestager and Thierry Breton before the U.S. election, so it’s not entirely or even mostly about Trump. They’re just coming to their senses that a radical DMA interpretation isn’t going to change these companies, it would just turn the EU into more of a technological backwater than it already is.

https://www.techmeme.com/250114/p1#a250114p1

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Written by iDanMart on 2025-01-14 at 14:42

@gruber So Apple and the rest of the American tech companies so just be allowed to do whatever they want free of any regulation because??? I agree the DMA hasn’t been perfect, but it has proven that Apple will refuse to enact any meaningful change on their own terms least it risk losing it’s sweet 30% cut or god forbid only $79 Billion in profit instead of $80 Billion.

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Written by John Gruber on 2025-01-14 at 16:03

@RicardoDanielMartinez What are you talking about? Apple spent the entire year building compliance features. The EU now has alternative app stores and sideloading and alternative payments. It's just that almost no users actually want them so few use them, other than to play Fortnite.

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Written by iDanMart on 2025-01-14 at 18:12

@gruber So your argument is that because few people use these features, that they shouldn’t even be a choice to begin with? Oh but yes, let’s give Apple a round of applause for implementing all these features, only after they dragged their feet kicking and screaming every time the EU said they needed to actually do the bare minimum and not what Apple wanted. Why are you so against Apple actually having to compete in an open and fair market? 1/2

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Written by John Gruber on 2025-01-15 at 03:00

@RicardoDanielMartinez There aren’t any other phones on the market where you live? Only iPhones?

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Written by jramskov on 2025-01-15 at 16:45

@gruber @RicardoDanielMartinez That’s been explained in previous, similar discussions: Apple and others have become so big they basically have monopoly powers. Google/Android vs Apple/iOS matters about as much in that regard as the chance of you switching permanently away from using Apple devices 😉

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Written by Ken Kinder :clubtwit: on 2025-01-16 at 07:44

@jramskov @gruber @RicardoDanielMartinez You can make an argument that iOS and Android are a duopoly. There are a lot of duopolies in the world, like Airbus/Boeing, Coke/Pepsi. Maybe they’re harmful.

But the DMA to me seems like taking on Coca-Cola by forcing it to sell flat soda and having customers choose their own CO2 mix.

0.01% might make their Coke in a SodaStream. The rest want it fizzy at the factory.

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Written by John Gruber on 2025-01-16 at 14:35

@bouncing @jramskov @RicardoDanielMartinez That's not a bad analogy.

I'd reframe it not about carbonation though, but contents. Under DMA-like regulation, Coca-Cola would be treated as a seller of bottles and cans (Apple: seller of phone hardware), and forced to offer their Coke-branded bottles and cans filled with everything from Pepsi to small indie sodas; and also, they'd be forced to allow Pepsi to fill Pepsi cans and bottles with Coke's superior-tasting colas.

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Written by jramskov on 2025-01-16 at 16:13

@gruber @bouncing @RicardoDanielMartinez I find analogies to rarely work really well. I don't think this one does either.

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