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Written by Stephen Collins on 2025-01-15 at 21:43

Labor targeting seats held or contested by Greens in the coming federal election is all of:

• completely on brand for Labor, who cannot get over themselves and their hatred of the Greens

• a great way of pissing off voters on the left into voting for the Greens or independent progressives

• an even better way of handing seats to the Liberals, who will happily reap the spoils of a split progressive vote anywhere they can

Labor is fucking mad and pointless.

[#]auspol

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Written by Liam :fnord: on 2025-01-15 at 21:53

@trib against my better judgement: this is a mirror of the argument Labor used through the 1990s and 2000s about those same seats; as though one Party were entitled to a clear run. It was silly coming from Labor then and it’s silly coming from the Greens now. An election is an election and everyone deserves a chance to run.

(Also the ‘split’ progressive vote in preferential systems does not exist).

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Written by Mark Newton on 2025-01-15 at 22:02

@liamvhogan @trib It’s always very funny to me to watch people whose only job is politics demonstrate such little understanding of politics.

(By any objective measures, environmental issues and peoples’ material conditions were better under Scott Morrison than Anthony Albanese anyway, so the banter answer is, “Let them fight.”)

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Written by Stephen Collins on 2025-01-15 at 22:08

@NewtonMark @liamvhogan I opt for jousting for seats.

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Written by Mark Newton on 2025-01-15 at 22:09

@trib @liamvhogan Pistols at 20 paces.

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Written by Stephen Collins on 2025-01-15 at 22:10

@NewtonMark @liamvhogan Hamilton, only far smaller consequences

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Written by Stephen Collins on 2025-01-15 at 22:07

@liamvhogan @ibk yes, I quite understand that preferential voting doesn't strictly split the vote.

However, Labor fucking about on the progressive side of the ledger can and has (and maybe will) result in some janky preference moves taking place.

More than once, Labor has preferenced the Libs above the Greens because they'd rather shoot themselves in the face than give the Greens a chance to work with them. Labor would do that in an instant because 2009.

And of course you’re right, Liam, that no seat goes to a given party by some kind of electoral divine right.

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Written by ibk on 2025-01-15 at 22:13

@trib @liamvhogan The Voter decides preference flow.

Parties only make suggestions. Which is often done as some sort of performance art.

Which is why simple messages like “put the Liberals last” should be promoted.

P.S. like you, I am not a “low information” voter. I think that puts us in the minority.

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Written by Liam :fnord: on 2025-01-15 at 22:19

@ibk @trib yeah that’s about it. There’s no such thing as a ‘progressive’ vote any more than there’s any other kind of natural vote. Lots of Teal voters likely came straight from voting for very right wing liberals, without any sense of disruption. People make their choices and lots go back and forth and that’s good and desirable.

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