I made a simple diagram to help show people who aren't on the #Fediverse how it works. Feel free to share with people who want to escape #Musk and #Zuckerberg but feel intimidated by the Fediverse.
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@joshisanonymous@h4.io Unfortunately, I have to point out a design error in your drawing,
There are no borders between the individual services, so the drawing is not suitable. In reality, all instances of all software projects in the Fediverse are wildly mixed.
The sorting suggests that each project is separate, but this is not the case.
The following logo shows the distribution much better
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@crossgolf_rebel When the goal is to simplify things for potential users, my diagram is far better even if less technically accurate. That logo will absolutely drive away anyone who was thinking about the Fediverse but hesitant because it sounds complicated as the logo indeed makes it look extremely complicated.
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@joshisanonymous@h4.io OK, why didn't it scare away the few million users before?
A simple but false explanation only makes it worse, not better.
The fediverse is just a bag of colourful marbles.
You are welcome to use our instance cloud to show the limits of the individual softwares
https://tube.tchncs.de/w/xd4emjFTvQSp8ixPP7AJCP
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@crossgolf_rebel Because not an people are lack technological savvy?
Look, having just over a million active users is a tiny drop in the bucket, and it's been widely acknowledged that the onboarding process for Fediverse platforms is not the most user-friendly thing, so a simple explanation is very much needed.
Furthermore, this is literally how all teaching works: you oversimplify at first before adding bits and pieces that complicate the picture. I'm not sure why you think that's harmful.
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@joshisanonymous@h4.io Simple, please. These are blue balls
It is simple but wrong
And, a simple description for a complex structure can only ever be wrong, however good the intention behind it may be.
The instances and the software installed on them are sorted exactly as shown in the picture. There is no sorting.
This is because it is quite common for three or more different pieces of software to be involved in a single conversation.
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@crossgolf_rebel And my diagram is big simple and correct. You really need to relax. It seems kind you just made your own logo and feel threatened by anyone else doing something similar. I'm not telling people that red balls are blue. I'm telling them that there are platforms and instances that all communicate with each other.
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@joshisanonymous@h4.io it is neither my own logo nor anything else. I'm just annoyed by the misrepresentations of the fediverse that have been going on for years, because unfortunately they cause discord and controversy.
Unfortunately, there are enough Mastodon admirers who consider this software to be the crown of creation and want to remove everything that is not Mastodon. They use such simple representations to support their theses.
Ultimately, your simplification is not correct either, because even mastodon has three different types of software
If you want to make it simpler, then represent instances as circles with a nice colourful mix for the different software and connect them. Without the ballast of representing the types as separate networks
That would be simplified and quite correct
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@crossgolf_rebel You seem to have me confused with someone involved in some esoteric technology spat that 10 people in the world care about. I made that diagram as a simple pedagogical tool. That's all. If you're really worried about misrepresentations of the structure of the Fediverse, that LOGO was clearly meant to be artistic rather than a structural representation. It's in the shape of a network diagram while being completely uninterpretable as a network.
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@crossgolf_rebel @joshisanonymous Your diagram is neither simple nor correct. The different bubbles mastodon and pixelfeed are not communicating with each other, the single servers does. It seems kind you just made your own logo and feel threatened by anyone else doing something similar.
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@sven222 @crossgolf_rebel Wow, ok. I guess you're bringing Twitter's pile on behavior here? Are you even a different user or just the same person on two different accounts?
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@joshisanonymous Sorry, but @crossgolf_rebel told you, that your drawing is incorrect, then you started insisting, that your drawing is correct, and thought, that he designed the mostly used fediverse logo and started insulting him. This logo he postet is the most used logo describing the fediverse since years. I hoped you understand the critic if I use your own words, but you fell insuled by your own words. And now it is my fault? If your words are insulting, than don't use them. It is so easy. And guess what, we are two different people who even don't knoe each other. I just could not stand your behaviour insulting people who just want to help you. But I think every word here is too much. Just plonk.
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@sven222 @crossgolf_rebel They were clearly looking for an argument by repeating an unconstructive criticism that insisted that a pedagogical abstraction must be complicated. You've decided to pile on, which I can only assume is because you're also looking for an argument where none need be had.
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