Blows my tiny mind that people still default to flying for trips within Europe (or anywhere tbh) what would they have to see to believe change mattered
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@amberfirefly the genius of the right is that, even when their homes are flooded half way up the stairs, the afflicted blame the wrong people.
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@amberfirefly we will see Trump voters furiously blaming Obama for whatever ills afflict them over the coming 4 years.
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@amberfirefly and especially that people in orgs who could easily change that default for 1000s of people, don't.
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@yaxu pretty pathetic, and shameful at this point (imo)
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@amberfirefly a problem in Europe is that train connections tend to be poor, especially between countries and also expensive. Much more expensive than flying :( :(
Having tried it, I found that essentially traveling by train is only possible for rich travelers.
I believe that train connections is one of the few things that the Soviet Union did get right and I hope the EU will have affordable train trips in the future. It would increase cohesion of the union too I think.
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@amberfirefly Two problems are that rail journeys cost more than flying (due largely to post-WW2 tax arrangements which favour aviation), and cross-border journeys involve more changes of trains and uncertainty about connections (due to poor coordination between national rail companies). Taxing aviation fuel and air tickets whilst exempting passenger rail and coordinating connections throughout the EU would go a long way. Beyond that, there would be building out EU-wide HSR.
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This is it. I travel by train because I can afford it. As long as ecology is a luxury good, it won't be universal.
And part of what makes it a luxury good is the conception of it as individual rather than systemic. If people shouldn't fly within Europe, then flights shouldn't be available.
[Or there should be because emergencies, but they should require some documentation to get them.]
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@acb @amberfirefly Yep agreed on that, and I think it is fair to look to systemic issues - making it about individual choice it part of the problem I think. But people should be trying their best to change the system via e.g. pushing for organisational no-fly/low-fly policies.
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@yaxu @amberfirefly I most recently flew between Stockholm and London. Doing it by rail would have taken about 24 hours with half a dozen trains and cost a lot more. Not counting the cost, making the trip time-competitive would require faster links (the Stockholm-Malmö HSR the right-wing government cancelled would shave 2h off it, the upcoming Fehmarn tunnel will cut another 2-3h, TGV-grade lines through Germany would help a lot).
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@yaxu @amberfirefly There was a proposal a few years ago for a (long) Malmö-Brussels sleeper which would have made it just about doable, but EU subsidy rules scuppered it (apparently as most of the journey is in Germany, Sweden and Belgium can’t subsidise it, even though it doesn’t stop there).
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@acb @amberfirefly Yep I have a very UK perspective on this, where it takes a while to go anywhere, but where I can usually set up activities on the way (in london, paris/brussels, germany etc) to make a multi-stop round trip
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@amberfirefly yeah! it's really shocking. i don't fly and when i tell people why they always pull out the "well individual actions won't change anything" and i have to resist going "well if we all didn't fly..."
i think the better argument is to explain that by not flying myself i am prefiguring the future where we all don't fly. it's like direct action; act as though you are already in the future you want/expect to be in; in a climate-crisis-averting future, we will not fly; so I don't fly.
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@seventeenmagpie also, people copy each other, so by demonstrating that it's possible to not fly and shock still surviving, it'll inevitably and unavoidably have knock on effects on other people's actions and boom oh look it's collective action, system change etc.
(Or, you could be one of these people who tells everyone how impossible it is because e.g. we have to wait for system change, then people copy and decide it's impossible, and you get to accidentally or intentionally delay change)
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@amberfirefly yeah for sure! i expect to do a lot of this sort of thing in a few years if I pursue a phd and demonstrate the feasibility of not attending international conferences in person.
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@seventeenmagpie I did mine 2005-8 and in total a decade of academia without a single long haul conference or fieldwork or teaching trip, I don't think it caused any problems at all (in conservation biology ironically there is a lot of flying, and also generally quite colonial thinking). We've had a no flights policy for our studio since we started in 2014 (broken only once afaik) again it's caused no real problems.
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@amberfirefly We don’t have a hope of cutting our emissions by any meaningful amount, do we? Not if people can’t even curb their flying habits in the face of the climate events we now see.
Imagine if we have taken the massive steps we needed to, to cut our emissions by 40% by 2030. What will our travel look like in the western world?
In my imagination I don’t see many flights happening, certainly not for recreational purposes. #ClimateDiary #ClimateAction
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