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Written by Brad Mitchell on 2025-01-13 at 15:53

January 12, 2025- “The hygiene hypothesis is being eroded

Infections at a young age correlate with severe infections later in life, few infections in youth correlate with less infections in adulthood

Where was the “strengthening of kids immune system” from infections?” - AJ Leonardi, MBBS, PhD (01/06/25) - https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/antimicrobial-stewardship/early-life-infection-burden-continues-throughout-childhood-new-data

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Written by Riku Mattila :verified: on 2025-01-13 at 16:37

@Brad Careful with causality vs. correlation.

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Written by Subjacent Banana on 2025-01-13 at 16:41

@Brad It seems that several things got conflated in this nutty "hygiene hypothesis" - Viruses vs. Bacteria most obviously.

There are lots and lots of good bacteria - you're literally stuffed with them. There aren't any good viruses.

All the studies I've ever seen on healthy exposures in children are on BACTERIA. (e.g. the evidence in favor of mothers being exposed to farmyards while the child is in utero & under 2 - greatly reduces adult incidences of immune dysfunction)

But they pivoted pretty damn hard once they faced a virus that they couldn't eradicate without costing the managerial class too much.

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Written by 𝐃𝐚𝐧 on 2025-01-13 at 17:19

@subjacentish @Brad THIS 👆​

oh and hey, viruses are oncogenic

HPV » cervical, penis, anus, vagina, vulva, and mouth and throat cancers

Epstein-Barr » stomach cancer, Hodgkin lymphoma, fast-growing lymphomas, nasopharyngeal cancer, MS

Hepatitis B & C » liver cancer

HIV » Kaposi sarcoma, cervical cancer, Liver cancer, Hodgkin disease, Lung cancer, Cancers of the mouth and throat

HPV 8 » Kaposi sarcoma

HTLV-1 » non-Hodgkin lymphoma

MCV » skin cancer

and, of course, SARS-CoV-2

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Written by notsoloud on 2025-01-14 at 08:15

@dank

Do we have any data yet that suggests that COVID is carcinogenic? (I'm not saying it isn't, I'd just like to know what we see so far)

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Written by Subjacent Banana on 2025-01-14 at 16:42

@notsoloud @dank @Brad Arijit Chakravarty (@arijitchakrav https://x.com/arijitchakrav) is the guy you wanna look at. I posted a thread of his awhile back somewhere.

TLDR is that it's very hard to get a virus categorized as "Carcinogenic" and they don't understand the carcinogenic properties of viruses very well at all. Strong links, and it sounds like he thinks it will be eventually ruled a carcingen officially.

In the meantime, Covid also downregulates and damages the parts of your immune system that clean up cancer cells. Meaning the cancer you have (most of us have some cancer cells @ a given time) may become suddenly aggressive. This is likely what's behind so many people's sudden Stage IV... I've lost 5 people in the last 2 years to Sudden Stage IV cancers. Lung, Neuro-Endocrine, Ovarian. All were under the age of 50.

A general review is here:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11441415/

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Written by 𝐃𝐚𝐧 on 2025-01-15 at 04:06

@subjacentish @notsoloud @Brad

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Written by Melody Wainscott on 2025-01-18 at 21:37

@subjacentish

There are good viruses.

One example is the bacteriophages, which are viruses.

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Written by Bruce Mirken on 2025-01-18 at 20:42

@Brad It's almost like childhood #vaccination keeps people healthy. Can someone please tell #RFKJr.

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Written by David Megginson on 2025-01-18 at 20:52

@BruceMirken @Brad I actually got a polio booster a few years ago because I was leaving to do aid work in West Africa and my childhood vaccine might not have been enough.

Vaccination FTW.

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