Ancestors

Written by John Carlos Baez on 2025-01-12 at 18:26

We may think of the stars in the sky as fixed, but if we wait the closest stars will eventually drift away - and other stars will come closer. This graph shows how that works. The vertical blue line is today.

Today the nearest star is Proxima Centauri, just 4ΒΌ light years away. It's a small red dwarf with 2 or 3 planets. Unfortunately it shoots out big X-ray flares. It orbits two other stars: one, called Rigil Kentaurus, is a bit bigger than the Sun, while the other, Toliman, is a bit smaller. They orbit each other every 79 years, while Proxima Centauri orbits both of them every 500,000 years.

But if we wait, various other stars will drift by and temporarily become closer!

Barnard's Star will swing by and tie Proxima Centauri for a short time 10,000 years from now. It's just a bit bigger than Proxima Centauri, and it has one planet.

Ross 248 will be the closest star for about nine millennia starting 30,000 years from now. It's another red dwarf, with huge starspots due to its powerful magnetic field.

Then Gliese 445, yet another red dwarf, will become the closest star for a while. During this time the Voyager 1 probe will pass within 1.6 light years of this star.

And so it goes. I wonder when a star will get really close to the Sun, like 1 or 2 light years? This could shake up the Oort cloud, the cloud of icy bodies in our solar system that stretches out for 1.5 years. Then we'd get lots of comets!

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Written by John Carlos Baez on 2025-01-12 at 20:08

What I want to know is: what's the nearest star with a planet with life? Red dwarfs are common, but their habitable zone is close to the star and many of these stars put out powerful flares, like Proxima Centauri. The combination is not promising.

For more on the nearest stars, try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars

You can see a nice rotating 3d map of them here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Stars-within-11-light-years2.webm

The map below shows 33 stars within 12.5 light years of us, made by Richard Powel.

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Descendants

Written by jsiehler on 2025-01-12 at 20:29

@johncarlosbaez I recommend ParallaxNick's "You Are Here: A Tourist's Guide to the Local Neighborhood" series.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa0TgREKn12hPWjg3hPWT91aEu30dNLfo

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Written by The Blue Wizard on 2025-01-12 at 20:49

@johncarlosbaez It would be nice to have an animated version showing the projected motions of the stars near the Sun, with Sun fixed at the center (i.e. "stationary"). It would be better having it in 3D view, which, alas, it is not yet up there (I am waiting for 3D holographic monitor screen to arrive, with attending computer technology to support that!). Oh well!

Also don't forget there may be a brown dwarf lurking near Sun. That one could play havoc with outer Oort cloud...we'll see!

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Written by John Carlos Baez on 2025-01-12 at 21:03

@thebluewizard - yes, it would be really great to have an animated 3d map of stars near the Sun.

If you have red-green glasses you can see a 3d map of nearby stars here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars#/media/File:Nearest_stars_rotating_red-green.gif

Alas, I don't have red-green glasses!

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Written by Tom Forsyth on 2025-01-12 at 21:03

@johncarlosbaez You can also play Elite: Dangerous which has a startlingly accurate map of the galaxy in it.

They had to make up most of the planets with an algorithm, but they did manually add a lot of the real exoplanets as they were discovered. Trappist-1 4 is a lovely Earthlike!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pPzNosr1Nk&t=410s

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Written by Winchell Chung βš›πŸš€ on 2025-01-12 at 21:43

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Target Selection for SETI: 1. A Catalog of Nearby Habitable Stellar Systems (2002)

https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0210675

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Written by Winchell Chung βš›πŸš€ on 2025-01-12 at 21:48

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The Target Selection for SETI catalog can be found here under HabCat

https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/starmaps/catalogues.php

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Written by Michael Busch on 2025-01-12 at 22:15

@nyrath @johncarlosbaez Tagging @setiinstitute , since Jill Tarter does not do social media.

However, that list does not include all of the M-dwarf nominal-habitable-zone planets that we now know are common.

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Written by Richard Hendricks on 2025-01-12 at 23:07

@michael_w_busch @nyrath @johncarlosbaez @setiinstitute Any update on the Trappist planets? Last I heard they were surprisingly airless.

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Written by Michael Busch on 2025-01-13 at 00:05

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The most recent results I am aware of for TRAPPIST 1-b are consistent with either bare rock or a Venus-like thick CO2 atmosphere: https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.11627 .

But the other planets are further out and cooler.

More data is pending.

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Written by Amro has been on 2025-01-12 at 21:49

@johncarlosbaez Why did I never hear of Groombridge 34?

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Written by Robert Brandt (dragoner) on 2025-01-12 at 21:59

@johncarlosbaez I made a list of stars with xyz coordinates https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/369748/solis-people-of-the-sun-alpha

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Written by Weekend Editor on 2025-01-13 at 00:37

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Strongly evokes a half-remembered illustration in one of Larry Niven's "Known Space" novels.

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