Every panel applet on #Cosmic takes about 33 MB of RAM each, resulting to Cosmic using 2.4 GB of RAM on a cold boot. That is excessive for a brand new, "clean" DE, and on par with #Windows (that has a history of 40 years that needs to carry with it).
I honestly don't understand why it's like that. Most people try #Linux on their older PCs, or a main PC that isn't #Windows11 -capable. Cosmic is just out of their reach for many of potential new users.
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@eugenialoli KDE uses similar if not more ram. 2.4GB is actually reasonable for a DE of this range. It needs to be more optimized, sure, but this isn’t the worst.
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@RahulVadhyar KDE starts here at 1.3 GB, not 2.4. Same for Gnome.
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@eugenialoli are you talking about about a minimal setup, or a full fledged one similar to what you get on Fedora?
Because fresh fedora KDE installs definitely takes up more than 3GB of ram. My shell is 500Mb, kwin is another 500Mb, plus the other services make up more than 3GB.
Minimal KDE arch install though, that’s more like 2GB total, but u still need a lot of services to make it daily drivable(atleast for me anyways)
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@RahulVadhyar Fedora is also one of the most bloated OSes in terms of RAM. Ubuntu is close behind too. However, Kubuntu is not too bad, and that's not a minimal setup.
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@eugenialoli I think you and I define “bloat” in different ways, and I feel like that’s where our disagreements are coming from.
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@RahulVadhyar If your Linux is using from the get go (before counting caching), over 1 to 1.3 gb of RAM, then that's bloat. Especially when other distros do the exact same things for half the ram, or in some cases, 1/3 the ram.
Don't let me started on Alpine that loads XFce at 250 MB of RAM, when Xubuntu or Fedora XFce do so at well over a gig. Even Debian with systemd does that at 800 mb. So yes, bloat is a very real thing on some linux distros.
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@eugenialoli Well, even if I wanted to switch from fedora to reduce bloat there really isn’t a good alternative for my needs, ideally some of the things I look in a distro is
-Frequent updates and up to date packages
And optionally secure boot support with Nvidia drivers.
Ubuntu, arch, openSUSE, immutable distros, gentoo, nixOS, etc I cannot use. Hence whether I like it or not, looks like I am on fedora.
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@RahulVadhyar Debian-Testing is that OS, it's my main OS, and it's super stable despite being a rolling release. It takes only 1.2 GB of RAM with Gnome. And even if it might miss 1 feature you mentioned (e.g. the nvidia stuff), it's not worth the extra DOUBLE the RAM for it.
Also, Linux Mint is perfect for what you suggest, minus the up to date packages sometimes (although there's flatpak integration). That's 1.1 GB of RAM.
Fedora AND Ubuntu are very heavy for what they worth.
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