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Written by Kyle Montanio on 2025-01-06 at 17:21

Justin Trudeau resigns from leader of Canada's Liberal Party.

"After spats with allies, pressure from Donald Trump and falling poll numbers, Trudeau has decided to call it quits."

This is sad news, and an ominous sign for the direction Canada is headed. The right-wing across the world is destabilizing liberal coalitions, and we desperately need to find ways to combat it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/6/why-has-justin-trudeau-resigned-and-whats-next-for-canada

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Written by Theresa on 2025-01-06 at 17:33

@FantasticalEconomics don't give up on the Liberal Party yet.

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Written by Kyle Montanio on 2025-01-06 at 17:37

@TheresaReason

I'm not giving up on the Liberal Party, nor democracy across the world, and hope that's not how that post sounded. I intended it more as a call to focus our energy on the real enemies, rather than fighting each other.

It seems we spend 80% of our energy arguing with people who we agree with at least 90%, while those we collectively despise solidify power.

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Written by Theresa on 2025-01-06 at 17:38

@FantasticalEconomics yes it's true, progressive voters tend to be fragmented and that is a big problem in this climate particularly.

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Written by Kyle Montanio on 2025-01-06 at 17:42

@TheresaReason

I agree. The only thing I would add is that the right actively fragments us. It's active, not passive.

Sure there will always be disagreements in policy and approaches, but the real problem is how well the right exploit what could/should be small disagreements into outright infighting across the left.

This is what we need to find a way to combat, if we are going to fight the rising tide of fascism, in my opinion.

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Written by Rythur on 2025-01-06 at 20:11

@FantasticalEconomics

Well when rich birds in Blue and Red shirts start shitting on everyone below, it's usually time to build cover, something else.

Keeping with the half party in place now is not all that appealing to me anymore, but it could, I guess, be the way forward.

Essentially, this isn't hard. A party with real impacts for workers, and less of an environment of game theory self destructive voting overall would probably take EVERY SINGLE VOTE.

The people want bread and shelter.

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Written by Kyle Montanio on 2025-01-06 at 20:35

@rythur

Fully agree!

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Written by Greengordon on 2025-01-06 at 18:28

@FantasticalEconomics

Yes, we do - and the way to fight the right is through a progressive vision. That is working out well for AOC, Sanders, and other progressives. To keep moving to the right is morally corrupt and is obviously not working. The centrists like Trudeau are just as responsible for the rise of the right wing.

"The right-wing across the world is destabilizing liberal coalitions, and we desperately need to find ways to combat it."

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Written by Kyle Montanio on 2025-01-06 at 18:37

@Greengordon

I'm not sure demonizing centrists is helpful here - though I agree moving left is both better strategy and better policy. But claiming centrists are just as much to blame as the right is, in my view, a major false equivalency that acts to further divide us on the left.

I know many wonderful centrists who are genuinely trying their best to confront the evils of fascism. I hope we can find better ways to work with folks who we agree with in over 90% of things, apart from strategy.

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Written by Greengordon on 2025-01-07 at 18:33

@FantasticalEconomics

I find most centrists want to keep things pretty much the way they are, including being fine with repression of nonwhites.

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Written by RhesusPieces on 2025-01-06 at 19:08

@FantasticalEconomics I guess those conservatives,Moho aren’t fascists, might have a little buyers remorse at some point?

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