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Written by varelse on 2024-12-27 at 12:40

Ale to było dobre.

Post-cyberpunk, który prawie mógłby być solarpunkiem. Są alternatywne systemy ekonomiczne powstałe w LARPach w augmented reality oraz sztuczne inteligencje mówiące w imieniu przyrody. Solarpunkowcom nie spodoba się jednak to, że to wszystko stoi na blockchainie (nie, żeby Schroeder był bezkrytyczny wobec kryptowalut, na tym zresztą zasadza się główny wątek). Dodatkowo, pytanie o koszty środowiskowe wytworzenia takiej liczby czujników, żeby sztuczne inteligencje faktycznie mogły uważać np. las za swoje “ciało”.

Tym niemniej, sama wizja zmian społecznych, które rodzą się dzięki LARPom zdecydowanie ciekawa. Poza tym, spodobała mi się wizja sztucznych inteligencji reprezentujących problemy społeczne, zaprogramowanych by dążyć do samounicestwienia (tylko czy to aby etyczne?).

Wincyj u @pluralistic bo dzięki jego polecance dowiedziałem się o tej książce

https://boingboing.net/2019/06/18/computing-the-climate.html

P.S. Schroedera można spotkać na Mastodonie: @KarlSchroeder

P.S.#2 Kiedyś chyba polecałem opowiadanie Schroedera “Reputacja”, które było kiedyś w NF, a także inne opowiadanie ze zbioru “Hieroglyph”. Oba dzieją się w tym samym uniwersum, co książka.

[#]książki #ScienceFiction #SciFi #Fantastyka #FantastykaNaukowa #ClimateFiction #CliFi #solarpunk #ekofikcje @ksiazki

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Written by Karl Schroeder on 2024-12-27 at 14:17

@varelse

It's funny, I wrote Stealing Worlds before blockchain got turned into a pyramid scheme. Now I keep getting blasted for describing the potential of what was then cutting-edge tech being developed by friends whom I trusted.

Blockchain is at its heart a way of giving digital objects some of the characteristics of real-world objects--such as uniqueness, location, stable properties. The book tried to imagine what we could do with that ability.

@pluralistic @ksiazki

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Written by Karl Schroeder on 2024-12-27 at 14:26

@varelse

The book then slyly turns around and asks "but who gets to define what is and isn't an object/thing?" This is a much deeper and more important critique of blockchain than whether it can be used to mint fake money. It's about who gets to define what's real. This is the heart of the story. People keep missing it, which makes me sad.

(Note that the quoted reviewer liked the book, they just had a reaction to my use of blockchain that I find triggering.)

@pluralistic @ksiazki

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Written by Karl Schroeder on 2024-12-27 at 14:31

@varelse

(Also note, I wouldn't be reacting at all if I wasn't just home from gallbladder surgery and feeling fragile about everything. I'm happy to see a good Polish recommendation of Stealing Worlds, and am grateful it continues to find an audience.)

@pluralistic @ksiazki

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Written by My camera shoots fascists on 2024-12-27 at 14:40

@KarlSchroeder

Hope you feel better soon. Pluralistic's recommendation was enough for me to get a copy just now on LibroFM.

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Written by alxd ✏️ solarpunk prompts on 2024-12-27 at 17:46

@pluralistic @ksiazki

Thank you for the review @varelse and huge thank you for responding @KarlSchroeder !

I'm already adding your book to the top of my reading list! I love exploring LARPs as culture-forming processes and I really, really appreciate a critical look at technology, its ownership and hidden / emergent behaviors.

It made me so sad that KSR completely failed to question Blockchain in his "Ministry for the Future". I wrote a scathing review of it at https://alxd.org/ministry-for-the-future-review.html#ministry-for-the-future-review

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Written by alxd ✏️ solarpunk prompts on 2024-12-27 at 17:48

Also, get better soon @KarlSchroeder ! I'm grateful for your voice on technology and the future.

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Written by alxd ✏️ solarpunk prompts on 2024-12-27 at 18:19

@KarlSchroeder for when you feel better: do you know when the audiobook of Stealing Worlds will be available in Poland? Currently it's impossible to buy legally :S

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Written by Karl Schroeder on 2025-01-03 at 23:14

@alxd

Hmm, really? I'll ask.

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Written by alxd ✏️ solarpunk prompts on 2025-02-02 at 11:24

@KarlSchroeder any news? I still can't see it available :/

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Written by Karl Schroeder on 2025-02-03 at 00:03

No, sorry, I haven't been able to get that information. I'll continue trying.

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Written by Licho on 2024-12-27 at 17:51

@KarlSchroeder @varelse @pluralistic @ksiazki check out https://ergon.moe which reverts back Blockchain to the early reusable proof of work idea, the proportionality removes the Ponzi structure. This is the OG idea. Not some 'Satoshi Vision', but literally Finney Vision

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Written by Jarek Kopeć on 2024-12-28 at 20:22

@varelse @pluralistic @KarlSchroeder @ksiazki dzięki za polecenie, dodałem do listy!

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