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Written by Steve Bellovin on 2024-12-24 at 15:15

Dear Washington Post. You used to have these people called editors, people who might notice that Honolulu is not on Kauai…

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Written by RRB on 2024-12-24 at 15:18

@SteveBellovin That aw in the old days, when there were facts.

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Written by 10tothe22 on 2024-12-24 at 15:33

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Written by slash on 2024-12-24 at 16:01

@SteveBellovin Remind me again: Who bought the WaPo away from the folks who actually cared about journalism?

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Written by John Quentin Heywood on 2024-12-24 at 16:15

@SteveBellovin Honolulu is on the right island, that island is just misidentified....this is what happens when you take geography out of the curriculum

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Written by Blobster on 2024-12-24 at 16:55

@jqheywood @SteveBellovin Yep, the island where Honolulu lies appears to be Oʻahu.

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Written by Jonathan Doughty on 2024-12-24 at 19:42

@jqheywood @SteveBellovin What I find more disturbing is the attribution to OpenStreetMap contributors. They are correctly identified when I look at them via other tile providers, so what is WaPo using?

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Written by Steve Bellovin on 2024-12-24 at 19:46

@jwd630 @jqheywood Interesting. Is there a history feature, so we can see when the labeling was fixed?

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Written by Jonathan Doughty on 2024-12-24 at 23:09

@SteveBellovin @jqheywood I think the small scale labelling is provided by the background map, not OSM; my guess would be WaPo is using an odd map tile layer provider. I looked at others to make sure WaPo was wrong but, no longer a BezosPost subscriber, I did not check further.

OpenStreetMap X-RAY - described https://blog.jochentopf.com/2024-09-30-introducing-osm-xray.html - enables finding and drilling down on ultra large scale OSM feature history e.g. http://test.osm2pgsql.org/#p=15.04/21.35492/-157.99972&o=100 but not layer provided labels AFAIK.

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Written by Kathleen Lu on 2024-12-24 at 23:12

@SteveBellovin @jwd630 @jqheywood https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3489649/history

But it doesn't look like it was ever wrong in OSM. The island labelling may well have been added later manually, as the standard style would not put landmass names in the water

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Written by Karl Auerbach on 2024-12-24 at 16:36

@SteveBellovin Perhaps Honolulu is part of Jonathan Swift's Land of Laputa and maybe it floated over to Kauai.

Laputa is an island that floats in the air and goes from place to place. (They drop rocks on their enemies and have courtiers who use flap pig bladders over the noble's ears so that they don't hear bad things. I have used Laputa as a metaphor for ICANN.)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Wiki_Loves_Jules_Verne_Swift_Gullivers_Reisen_Gelehrteninsel_Laputa_1839_%28Gerd_Kueveler%29.jpg/440px-Wiki_Loves_Jules_Verne_Swift_Gullivers_Reisen_Gelehrteninsel_Laputa_1839_%28Gerd_Kueveler%29.jpg

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Written by Druid on 2024-12-24 at 16:51

@SteveBellovin

jeff saved that cost

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Written by enoclue on 2024-12-24 at 19:41

@SteveBellovin actually, the city is correctly placed. the labeling of the islands is overly creative.

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Written by hammer on 2024-12-25 at 00:04

@SteveBellovin Oahu and kauai are flipped. I have definitely noticed a steady degradation of edit quality across all media organizations in the past decade.

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