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Written by Jens Finkhäuser on 2024-12-19 at 22:04

I feel like cloning the obfuscated C contest repos, introducing bugs, and then letting #Copilot train on that.

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Written by Gabe on 2024-12-19 at 23:12

@jens careful, that's how you get perl and javascript.

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Written by Jens Finkhäuser on 2024-12-20 at 05:33

@gabe You know, I think I am slightly offended by that. I'm fairly certain it's easier to write clean, well-maintainable code in Perl, and lumping it together with JavaScript is unfair.

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Written by Helge on 2024-12-20 at 08:14

But is it easier to write obfuscated poetry code in perl or in javascript?

I mean a quick search revealed the haiku here.

Javascript just gives me tools that are meant to be mean to people reading code. Not at all the point for perl.

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Written by Gabe on 2024-12-20 at 09:54

@jens if I were being serious, I'd say that it's possible to write well or poorly in most languages, the differences are mostly in the knowledge, effort and care required.

If you start from the IOCCC, then perl's reliance on symbols over words and javascript's insistence on resolving ambiguities and errors by choosing the most hilarious path are fair contestants. Especially in the context of "what would an LLM do?"

If I have offended, I don't understand what bounds I overstepped; please help?

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Written by Jens Finkhäuser on 2024-12-20 at 09:59

@gabe I was making a joke! You did not actually offend me, sorry!

The joke was meant to express that my dislike of JavaScript's choice of "the most hilarious path" seems a lot worse to me than Perl's reliance on symbols.

Also, I'd rate Perl's flexible grammar (if/if not/unless/unless not) as it's more confusing feature.

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Written by Gabe on 2024-12-20 at 10:30

@jens I agree that the relatively large vocabulary required to deal well with perl is an entirely different category from the deep understanding of implicit parsing and type handling rules necessary to produce good JS. Neither is a particularly great starter language.

But to your second point: ain't nobody never don't got no problems without double negatives, no?

Anyway, I think we broadly agree. Thanks for letting me hijack your shitpost.

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Written by Jens Finkhäuser on 2024-12-20 at 10:31

@gabe Was it a shitpost? Or was it a manifesto? We may never know!

But yeah, I think we do broadly agree :)

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