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Written by Danny Boling ☮️ on 2024-12-01 at 20:02

Fact: The average lifespan of an empire is (was?) around 250 years.

Fact: The USA is 248 years old.

These facts are unrelated. I don't even know why I brought them up.

[#]YesIDo #USpol #Facts #Statistics #USA #Age #Downfall #ItsBeenFun #NotReally #IAmDB

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Written by Ainsley Lowbeer on 2024-12-02 at 00:44

@IAmDannyBoling The United States has only been an empire since WWII, so this calculation is off a bit.

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Written by DaveB on 2024-12-02 at 06:01

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Each empire is started by a strong leader, and finishes with a weak one.

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Written by lord pthenq1 on 2024-12-02 at 08:05

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Unidad States did not become an empire until 1945. We have almost 2 more centuries of Pax Americana according to that statistics :ablobcatcoffee:

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Written by Michael B. Johnson on 2024-12-02 at 09:23

@IAmDannyBoling @cstross Can I get some references?

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Written by James Baillie on 2024-12-02 at 09:29

@IAmDannyBoling I mean, it makes for a good zinger, but as a historian, there really isn't any sound basis for calculating the "lifespan of an Empire": what states and polities do or don't consider as a continuity of themselves is a pretty arbitrary measure! And which states do and don't get treated as Imperial is pretty arbitrary and arguable too.

And even if one does agree the data set, a mean average isn't very meaningful without thinking about how the data are clustered/distributed...

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Written by Stephen Cox Author on 2024-12-02 at 09:35

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stares in Egypt, Rome, Byzantium, China,

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Written by bdonnelly on 2024-12-02 at 10:13

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Rome? Byzantium?

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Written by Stephen Cox Author on 2024-12-02 at 10:17

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Sorry this wasn't obvious. The Eastern Empire survived over a thousand years after the fall of Rome and the collapse of the Western Empire. Byzantium shows even if half your empire collapses, you can have more than 250 years from that point.

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Written by bdonnelly on 2024-12-02 at 10:18

@stephenwhq @IAmDannyBoling It was obvious. I was making a joke there.

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Written by Stephen Cox Author on 2024-12-02 at 10:19

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and I was doing the pedantic response to a joke :)

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Written by Stephen Cox Author on 2024-12-02 at 10:19

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Hope you have a good day!

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Written by random thoughts on 2024-12-02 at 10:32

@IAmDannyBoling Who calculated this?

Ottoman Empire: ~600 y.

Persian Empire: approx 26 centuries over different regimes

Chinese Empire: Over 2 millenia

Older we go lengthier the empires become. Hittites ruled over their empire about 5 centuries and they were a relatively small, short-lived empire.

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Written by Graydon on 2024-12-02 at 10:34

@IAmDannyBoling The US has been an empire for a lot less than 250 years, even if you start with the Mexican-American War.

Stopping hugging the divine retribution memes.

Tell stories about a better future.

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Written by MysticBasil 🇺🇦 on 2024-12-02 at 10:49

@IAmDannyBoling Did you account for russia in that averaging?

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Written by majo hashi on 2024-12-02 at 21:58

@IAmDannyBoling Ah, that would be Sir John Glubb, yeah?

"Fate of Nations" quote:

"The heroes of declining nations are always the same—the athlete, the singer or the actor. The word ‘celebrity’ today is used to designate a comedian or a football player, not a statesman, a general, or a literary genius"

https://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

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Written by Danny Boling ☮️ on 2024-12-02 at 22:16

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thanks for the link!

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