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Written by Dan Luu on 2024-11-16 at 21:37

I find it really interesting/surprising that Tesla topped the fatalities per mile ranking from 2018-2022.

Fatality rate is strongly negatively correlated with price and weight and Teslas are much more expensive and heavier than average.

The commentary I've seen says that the cars are safe so it must be about Tesla drivers, but per https://danluu.com/car-safety/, maybe it's also about the cars. The most fatal manufacturers (Kia/Hyundai, Dodge, Tesla) that were rated all rank poorly there as well.

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Written by MClare on 2024-11-16 at 21:42

@danluu what’s the report that has these tables?

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Written by Bill Mill on 2024-11-16 at 22:44

@mclare @danluu It's on news.yc now. The report he's citing is: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

which gets its data from the NHTSA and doesn't present the full results, unfortunately.

You can find the raw data at the NHTSA:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/file-downloads?p=nhtsa/downloads/FARS/2022/National/

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Written by MClare on 2024-11-17 at 02:09

@llimllib @danluu thank you!

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Written by nullagent on 2024-11-16 at 21:55

Oh hi, hello may I direct your attention to the official Tesla Owner's manual 👇🏿

It helpfully shows you how to locate the absolutely hidden emergency door handle... "If your model has manual releases" ™️...

Simply "Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket."

Then "Press the red tab to remove the access door."

And finally IF your model has it there's a handle in there you silly person who doesn't have x-ray vision.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

@danluu #Tesla #Cars

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Written by Pawan Dubey on 2024-11-17 at 01:41

@danluu Was thrown off by Tata topping the transaction cost list but I guess it's because they are only selling Land Rovers and Jaguars.

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Written by OhNoYoureInACar on 2024-11-17 at 02:20

@danluu looking at the rankings I suspect, Tesla aside, it's "their mileage data is not precise". Then there's selection bias, or at least the reason I'm seeing it so many places, is the ranking of Tesla in particular.

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Written by Jeff Kaufman on 2024-11-17 at 12:05

@danluu has anyone broken this data down by whether cars are electric? I wonder If this could be downstream from faster acceleration.

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Written by Dan Luu on 2024-11-18 at 03:34

@jefftk I haven't seen a more detailed analysis, but I don't think acceleration should be the primary driver because:

1. Only two fast car models are in the top 20 list.

2. If we look at how fast a typical model is for a luxury brand, a base BMW 3-series has a measured 0-60 of 5.2s (vs. 5.6s for a base Tesla Model 3) and a base BMW X5 has a 0-60 is at 3.9s (vs. 3.9s for a Tesla Model X LR, can't find base numbers). These luxury brands that sell fast cars do not have high fatality rates.

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Written by Jeff Kaufman on 2024-11-18 at 14:29

@danluu I wonder if there's something where the acceleration of an electric car ends up being pretty different? When I have rented cars and ended up in a fast-accelerating gas car I have driven pretty normally, but the two times when I ended up with an electric one I did more acceleration. Maybe because it is nearly free? Or because it is so smooth, and you don't hear the engine giving "I'm working very hard" signals?

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Written by Dan Luu on 2024-11-18 at 20:52

@jefftk It's possible, but then I'd wonder why the only two EVs on the most fatal models list are Teslas. If a base Tesla is fast, a base E-tron or I-Pace is fast, the Bolt EV and some of the cheap Hyundai/Kia EVs for sale then aren't slow, and the base Taycan is very fast (3.4s measured 0-60)

It seems somewhat weird that, if it's something general about EV acceleration, only Teslas make the list of most fatal models, esp. when there are much faster EVs (because they don't sell a slow version)

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Written by Coastside Ravens on 2024-11-17 at 15:50

@danluu isn't weight across the ICE/EV divide misleading, because instead of measuring "giant steel frame v small steel frame" you're including the batteries?

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