We've moved to Hetzner (from Digital Ocean) for our hosting. Tests so far show faster bandwidth and CPUs at a fraction of the cost. Details below (#python, cc @mkennedy):
https://talkpython.fm/blog/posts/we-have-moved-to-hetzner/
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@talkpython I migrated my Wait Wait Stats sites (which are build using Flask or FastAPI) from DigitalOcean to Hetzner for the same reasons.
Another nice thing is that they have ARM-based instances available in Europe, if you want to have cost-optimized hosting over there as well.
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@qlp @talkpython Awesome! Glad to hear it’s working out for you too. ARM is intriguing for sure. Still not an option in the US yet.
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@mkennedy @talkpython Yeah, I've been hoping that they could bring ARM instances over here as well.
Their Debian images, especially for ARM instances, is a little minimal, but that's good for overall footprint and surface area, but can add to the learning curve to those who are new to the ARM server ecoysystem.
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@qlp @talkpython It would be interesting to play with the ARM instances. Minimal would be fine I imagine. I just need enough to get Docker running and a few monitoring tools.
I do think Linux on ARM has a ways to go. But we’ll get there especially now with so many Windows ARM machines on the horizon.
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@mkennedy @talkpython The biggest blocker that I had with Debian on ARM is the lack of an official MySQL Server build from either Debian or from Oracle.
I think Ubuntu created their own build, but I'm trying to move away from Ubuntu to Debian, and maybe introduce Rocky Linux into the mix in the future since Oracle does provide official ARM builds for RHEL/RL 9.
But, ARM-based Linux servers make a lot of sense for hosting Python, Ruby, Node.js applications, as well as lighterweight Docker workloads and static file hosting.
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@talkpython @mkennedy My sympathies. Hetzner have - not just bad support, but bizarely bad support. I think I lasted a couple of months with them.
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@calum @talkpython Thanks for sharing your experience. I don’t expect to need any support. I just need one virtual server to stay running. But I’d appreciate hearing what went wrong technically for you.
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@mkennedy @talkpython The pricing and instance speed were, as you mentioned, better than elsewhere (I normally use Scaleway), but on a simple request to open outbound mail ports on one instance to allow for password resets I was pushed around in circles with demands for information and number of emails per day etc. It didn't matter how specific I was, they just asked for the same thing in different wording.
Scaleway - one quick email and a phone call to confirm my identity and it was sorted.
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@calum @talkpython Got it. That email limitation is a hassle. We’re sending email using the SendGrid API so outbound it doesn’t look like email. I guess we didn’t hit that issue.
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@mkennedy @talkpython That would be a bonus. I was sending via Zoho, so unfortunately had no choice.
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@talkpython @mkennedy Great article, thanks. It will be interesting to see some competition on that ground.
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@fromthesocks @talkpython Thanks Ben!
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@talkpython @mkennedy ok, now I’m curious how you’re doing your deployments to your Linux server. Will we get a deep dive on this sometime? I love hearing about DevOps and CI/CD.
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@wilcosec @talkpython 100% you will. I'm working on a project going into detail here. Thanks for the interest. :)
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