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Written by Jan Ekholm on 2024-11-05 at 15:35

God damn I hate YAML. It's an abysmal format for anything more than one line. Trying to grok some Home Assistant automations and tracing the indentations and weird - and * grouping is horrible. In Python indenting with whitespace is fine as you rarely have more than a few levels of indentation, but YAML config files can be really deep.

I guess this is a Microsoft format?

[#]yaml #garbage #homeassistant

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Written by Jan Ekholm on 2024-11-05 at 15:37

That said, the way automations are configured in Home Assistant must be one of the worst ways to configure things I've seen. YAML is definitely not suitable for this. It's especially true when you edit in an environment that has no context sensitive help.

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Written by yaggadagga on 2024-11-05 at 15:50

@chakie That last line 😆

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Written by Jan Ekholm on 2024-11-05 at 16:06

@notnorm If it's awful it usually comes from Microsoft.

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Written by drawks on 2024-11-05 at 16:07

@chakie YAML is fine as a general purpose serialization, it is far less good when it is used as a pseudo programming language. Both Homeassistant and Ansible have taken that second use case to the extreme and it is simply maddening.

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Written by David Nelson on 2024-11-05 at 20:25

@drawks @chakie I feel the same about the pseudo-programming angle. I’ve been using Ansible quite a bit lately and it drives me crazy how playbooks are basically code crammed into a config file. One that looks like Python if you squint, but really isn’t. 🤪

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