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Written by KrisBuytaert on 2024-10-22 at 06:16

Wtf #fedora .. since when is this a thing ?

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Written by The ol' tealeg 🐡 on 2024-10-22 at 07:00

@krisbuytaert quite some time. In a world where Linux can live-patch it's own kernel, this seems quite glaring to me. Given that live-patch is one of those things you end up paying money to vendors for, my cynical side thinks this might be deliberate.

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Written by Adam Williamson :fedora: on 2024-10-22 at 07:26

@tealeg @krisbuytaert yessss. you're right. paypal me $30 and i'll give you the sekrit code for live updates. shh, don't tell anyone.

nah, keep your $30 and run dnf update. if you're happy with the risk of anything that crashes the terminal or desktop you run it in killing the update.

(if you absolutely must update online, it's much safer to do it from a VT or a tmux/screen session than just directly in a desktop).

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Written by The ol' tealeg 🐡 on 2024-10-22 at 07:34

@adamw @krisbuytaert .. yeah, but fedora isn't doing kpatch, even then, right?.

Sorry, didn't mean to make accusations. I saw this discussion from the inside at Canonical - kpatch seems to be a feature that's only required on HA server environments, and those customers are happy to pay for it.

I still don't quite get why Fedora defaults to getting people to reboot for updates.

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Written by Sebastiaan on 2024-10-22 at 07:59

@tealeg @adamw @krisbuytaert to make sure said update is applied fully and correctly. If you're live updating that can cause weird bugs if a underlying library is also updated but the old version remains in use in RAM, that's annoying to troubleshoot. That's a thing on any distro, Ubuntu included

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Written by The ol' tealeg 🐡 on 2024-10-22 at 09:02

@sebastiaanfranken @adamw @krisbuytaert - yes, it's just that historically the norm seems to have been to inform the user or trust them to understand that. I guess this is all part of being "usable" for non-engineers. It just feels weird to an old-timer.

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Written by Sebastiaan on 2024-10-22 at 09:04

@tealeg @adamw @krisbuytaert I can get that. I've been using Fedora since about 2006 so I consider myself a old-timer as well, the thing I like about Fedora is how it makes sure you keep up with the times (old man, jk). This was a fine example for me of that, I'd been doing "dnf upgrade" for years, and when this was introduced it took me a while to get my head around it, but now I wouldn't want it any other way and I find myself cringing at distros that don't have something like it..

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Written by KrisBuytaert on 2024-10-22 at 09:06

@sebastiaanfranken @tealeg @adamw thats the thing.. I`m used to dnf upgrade frequently ... so really surprised this suddenly popped up on my laptop ... within 30 minutes before I had to do a presentation :) Still figuring out how to disable it :)

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Written by Sebastiaan on 2024-10-22 at 09:08

@krisbuytaert @tealeg @adamw If you're using Workstation, you can't. Though a dnf upgrade from the CLI still works as you're used to. GNOME Software auto downloads updates in the background, yuo can disabled that from the GNOME Software settings. If there are updates downloaded and you shutdown or reboot, they'l install (as you've found out). That you can disable, see GNOME Software settings (auto download updates, turn that off)

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Written by KrisBuytaert on 2024-10-22 at 09:18

@sebastiaanfranken @tealeg @adamw I`m typically on Mate, but yesteday I switched to Gnome for one test for 5 minutes.... that triggered this .. I think I got it disabled now :)

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Written by Sebastiaan on 2024-10-22 at 09:46

@krisbuytaert @tealeg @adamw even in other DEs its highly recommend to use offline-upgrade instead of upgrade with dnf

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Written by The ol' tealeg 🐡 on 2024-10-22 at 09:07

@sebastiaanfranken @adamw @krisbuytaert FWIW, #OpenBSD will, by default, forcibly restart when you do a sysupgrade, but this is a more major operation than just getting regular software updates.

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