Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Reportedly Leaked Online In Full
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And if you are wondering why Sony is killing physical games…
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We’ll keep wondering cause the shift to digital clearly isn’t stopping piracy.
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Like almost everything, it isn’t about stopping piracy entirely.
Physical copies get sold early by stores/cashiers that don’t care. Or they get outright pocketed/copied at the factories and warehouses. Which lead to the constant “This nintendo game leaked a week or a month or whatever early”. Which… less so after the lawsuits but it means emulators can be updated to support the games before they even hit shelves.
Digital only doesn’t entirely stop that. But it tends to lead more toward “an unknown fake influencer posted all the cutscenes of this game online a week early”.
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Is saving the game from an early leak worth getting rid of physical games? I hope not.
I might be unique in this but I’ll never “buy” a digital game. They’re impossible to resell and I can’t lend it to friends or my kids, they’d need my account or console. Plus I’ll have the physical game forever, digital games are only good as long as the servers are up.
I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in this, so if companies stop offering physical games then I’m not going to buy them. (I’ll just pirate). I’ve preordered Zelda from GameStop. I support the content I want more of, like Zelda games, and I’ll continue to buy each one. If I don’t, then they might not make more.
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I have no interest in physical games. I’m not willing to carry around 300 cartridges or only have access to a small portion of my library. But Nintendo has to know that physical game collectors are a big portion of their audience (with probably more than any other platform in either raw number or proportion). They can’t abandon physical.
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I’m not willing to carry around 300 cartridges
Where would you be carrying them?
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The switch is a handheld. So most places I go?
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But surely you don’t need to constantly access all your games on every trip, right?
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Yes, I absolutely want to be able to play any game I own on that platform at any time. That’s the entire reason I bought the game. Being restricted to the library on one platform is already a massive concession.
“You can only play this game if you preemptively lug it around with you in case you want to play it today” is not an acceptable condition of a purchase to me.
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Did ygu mod your switch to have several TB of data? What if you don’t have Wifi?
“You can only play this game if you preemptively lug it around with you in case you want to play it today” is not an acceptable condition of a purchase to me.
Well, I don’t really believe that you don’t have any games that you haven’t touched for a year on your switch account. But even if you’re right: You’re an extreme edge case.
I highly prefer being able to access my games until the hardware gives out. Not until Nintendo shuts down the services. That is unacceptable IMHO.
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Most games aren’t that big. Especially switch games. Yes, I have a large micro SD to hold them all. I didn’t say I’m not an edge case; I made it clear that silly collector shit is half the reason Nintendo has a market.
I have plenty of games I haven’t played recently. That doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that if I want to play it tomorrow, I can play it without hassle wherever I am. Anything short of that is not owning the game.
I’ll have access long after the hardware gives out, with no need for the obnoxious process of ripping hundreds of cartridges. Digital is forever; DRM isn’t.
I have no interest in selling a game or hardware. I never have and never will. You choose between getting half of what they’ll sell it for or spending a bunch of time and trusting some random stranger not to screw you. Both options are worse than just keeping your stuff.
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that silly collector shit is half the reason Nintendo has a market.
No you didn’t and it isn’t. Nintendo has a unique design philosophy which keept them around since the NES. Do you consider the desire to own physical media “silly collector shit”?
Anything short of that is not owning the game.
That might be “true” for you, but I vehemently disagree. Most people have no problem keeping their copye of BotW on the shelf, while taking Luigi’s Mansion with them because that’s what they’re currently playing. People have selectively been taking their stuff with them for milennia.
with no need for the obnoxious process of ripping hundreds of cartridges
You don’t need to rip cartridges to play them. After the hardware gives out: I’m relying on the piracy community here.
Digital is forever
Lol, tell that to the 3ds/WiiU marketplace.
I have no interest in selling a game or hardware. I never have and never will. You choose between getting half of what they’ll sell it for or spending a bunch of time and trusting some random stranger not to screw you. Both options are worse than just keeping your stuff.
You have a very unrealistic and pessimistic view of the used market. I’ve both sold games I’m not interested in anymore and bought perfectly playable games used. It’s quite a cheap way to get access to the games you want, especially with Nintendo’s sales policy. I’m guessing that the person buying hello pikachu from me had a great time playing. Never had a problem on ebay. It wouldn’t be still around if most transactions weren’t kosher.
Also: Libraries have game cartridges.
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Yes, I did. It was the first post. They couldn’t run a profitable gaming division without collectors. They wouldn’t go broke because they have ridiculous cash reserves, but they would have bailed on gaming at some point because collectors are a big chunk of their sales.
People did it because they didn’t have a choice. That doesn’t mean they were OK with it, or that anyone would have chosen not to have everything instantly available given the choice. That choice exists now.
You don’t need to rip cartridges to play them. After the hardware gives out: I’m relying on the piracy community here.
I’d need to rip them to play them now. Carrying around cartridges isn’t acceptable. I have no issue relying on data preservation communities to preserve access to my data.
Half those cartridges have junk builds that won’t work without external updates by the way. You need the internet to get to the actual functional version regardless.
3DS or Wii can get digital games just fine.
I have no interest in the used market. Even if I could get 90% back on every game every time to abandon access to a game, the fact that it would require carrying physical games would make the value proposition completely unacceptable to me.
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They couldn’t run a profitable gaming division without collectors.
Bullshit. The switch isn’t the best-selling console since forever because of collectors. Nintendo went out on a limb and innovated on both hard- and software and it payed off big time.
You know the last time Nintendo had to rely on collectors? It was in the time of the WiiU (when they introduced Amiibos).
because collectors are a big chunk of their sales.
Any source on that, or just hunches.
People did it because they didn’t have a choice. That doesn’t mean they were OK with it, or that anyone would have chosen not to have everything instantly available given the choice.
Considered that physical media hasn’t die out yet and people still enjoy their books and whatnot: I think that you’re talking out of your ass.
Carrying around cartridges isn’t acceptable.
It is to enough people. Stop making broad statements that only apply to your edge case. You come off as an arrogant prick.
Half those cartridges have junk builds that won’t work without external updates by the way. You need the internet to get to the actual functional version regardless.
Nintendo games usually have a high polish at release. This isn’t Call of Duty.
3DS or Wii can get digital games just fine.
Not anymore, they can’t. The servers went down.
I have no interest in the used market.
That’s fine but no reason to slander the used market so much. It’s a, great option for gamers on a budget.
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They didn’t meaningfully innovate on software. They “innovated” on hardware by using a tablet and giving it a dock to make older games viable on handheld that weren’t before. Which is fine; it demonstrated the market for handhelds playing real games even with the worst controller the world has ever seen, and kickstarted the steam deck and a bunch of PC copycats. But collectors are their core market.
Physical media has mostly died out. Streaming has almost entirely replaced music, TV, and movies. Ereaders are still growing, but they’re also a huge market, and libraries support multiple ebook borrowing apps with different libraries because ebooks are so much of their job now.
Nintendo makes a handful of games a year. Most switch games aren’t from Nintendo. Most switch games don’t work well without updates. And if you want to talk about how popular the switch specifically is instead of the fact that their core audience is physical collectors, all of the switch’s popularity is because it could play third party games.
You don’t need Nintendo servers to get digital games.
The used market has massive compromises that you’re just ignoring. It doesn’t matter if it’s “only” 1% chance of a bad transaction. Bad transactions happen, and it’s a risk that nullifies much of the benefit if you experience it.
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They didn’t meaningfully innovate on software.
Have you heard of the game “Breath of the Wild”? O.o
They “innovated” on hardware by using a tablet and giving it a dock to make older games viable on handheld that weren’t before.
Yeah, and apple “innovated” by combining available technology to create the iphone, which became the archetype of the most commonly used type of technology today. That’s how innovation in tech usually works: lateral thinking and application of available technology. And the switch’s success proved Nintendo right.
If they do a switch 2 that doesn’t do physical games, it will fail.
You’ve done a horrible job convincing me of your divination powers. All you’re doing is speculating very confidently/arrogantly.
Physical media has mostly died out. Streaming has almost entirely replaced music, TV, and movies.
What are they streaming, if streaming killed movies? O.o
Yeah, the convenience of streaming has severely reduced the amount of physical media around. Bookstores, libraries and Bluray players still exist, though. You’re sounding liks execs claiming that single player games or not streaming games is about to die out.
Nintendo makes a handful of games a year.
And they have been successfully applying that model for decades. Compare the quality of each new Zelda/Mario release with the n-th Assassin’s Creed or Call of Duty.
Most switch games aren’t from Nintendo.
But Nintendo supplied the system sellers. The switch sold like hot cakes and then everyone wanted a piece of the slice.
instead of the fact that their core audience is physical collectors
The switch audience is way too large for that to be the case. You can’t rely on collectors for hardware that’s so expensive to make (compared to the classic mini consoles, for example - here. I’d accept that collectors were the core audience).
all of the switch’s popularity is because it could play third party games.
It’s actually hard to port to the switch. You wouldn’t put that much effort into a port if the switch didn’t already have such a high adoption rate. The switch was successful first and then they made all the 3rd party ports for it. Again: compare it to the WiiU.
You don’t need Nintendo servers to get digital games.
You need them to access them the way that you bought them. The whole discussion doesn’t make sense if piracy is your main mode of getting the games, since people psually don’t want pirate cartridges. (Unless it’s like an everdrive… where the games are still digital)
The used market has massive compromises that you’re just ignoring. It doesn’t matter if it’s “only” 1% chance of a bad transaction. Bad transactions happen, and it’s a risk that nullifies much of the benefit if you experience it.
You’re dismissing the benefits wholesale. Cartridges aren’t CDs. Using a cartridge doesn’t degrade the contents. Buying used/borrowing from friends is really safe, or the friendship won’t last. Marketplaces like ebay have checks in place so that the seller doesn’t get the money if there’s a serious issue with the game. It’s less like a 1% likelihood than a 0.01% likelihood. And again: not everyone can buy new and not everyone has access to a 1st gen switch.
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Breath of the Wild was a good step on one aspect of open world, destroyed by not knowing that open worlds still need actual content. It’s a good tech demo. It’s a terrible game. And it can’t be “innovation that sells a system” on the Switch when it was a port that was already available before the Switch.
Try getting a physical copy of big, successful TV shows now. Many of them don’t exist at all. Some movies never get physical copies.
Nintendo provided a handheld that just met the bare minimum threshold to play their games. But the argument for physical being acceptable is about all games, not the 1% that are from Nintendo.
The hardware wasn’t expensive to make. Again, that’s their entire design philosophy. They took junk chips nvidia had no use for dirt cheap and screens you can get on a $30 tablet. There was no meaningful up front R&D cost and there was a very small cost per unit compared to the other consoles. They didn’t invest anything in the Switch. Their “system seller” wasn’t even a new game.
It’s always expensive to port to Nintendo consoles because they always use ancient technology.
Giving up legitimate access to a game until you buy it again is a big cost you’re ignoring. You’re also ignoring that the cost of a bad experience goes way above the couple bucks involved.
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Breath of the Wild was a good step on one aspect of open world
Lol. As if BotW is comparable to what the Ubisoft game (for there is merely one by now) or other open world games have been doing up until then.
destroyed by not knowing that open worlds still need actual content.
Lol. It’s ok to not like a game, but claiming that a game on which so many players sunk 100+ hours into didn’t have “content”? Come on. xD
It’s a terrible game.
Lol. That’s why it was incredibly successful and attracted immediate copycats, right. \s
And it can’t be “innovation that sells a system” on the Switch when it was a port that was already available before the Switch.
What are you talking about? BotW released with the switch. It was also available on the WiiU, yes. But that only proves my point that it was a system seller, since people bought it with a switch, instead of getting a cheaper WiiU.
Try getting a physical copy of big, successful TV shows now. Many of them don’t exist at all. Some movies never get physical copies.
I constantly see them in my library (e.g. house of dragons). Also, again: book stores continue to exist.
Nintendo provided a handheld that just met the bare minimum threshold to play their games.
Thats not how console releases work. Games usually get technologically more advanced as the hardware ages. TotK is way more advanced than BotW. Also: I’m not following your point here.
The hardware wasn’t expensive to make.
It is, especially the cartridges. Not as expensive as the Playstation, or XBox, true. But that’s because Nintendo on principle don’t sell hardware at a loss. Still, the markup is waaaay lower than with the mini consoles, which were my examples for collector’s items.
That’s pure maths: if you focus on a small demographic (like collectors), you need a high markup. E.g. MtG is only lucrative, because the cardboard is so cheap. The switch doesn’t have such a high markup, so they need to go for mass appeal. If collectors would be Nintendo’s main source of revenue, they wouldn’t have bothered with the switch lite, which is clearly aimed at the opposite of collectors.
There was no meaningful up front R&D cost
The main reason why the supposed R&D cost was so low was because Nintendo fuzed their hard-held and console team. They had a lot of experience with hand-helds (and innovation in that space, for that matter).
Their “system seller” wasn’t even a new game.
Again: you’re talking bullshit. (Also: they had a second system seller with Mario, which arrived half a year later)
It’s always expensive to port to Nintendo consoles because they always use ancient technology.
And you’re refuting my point… how? Why am I getting the feeling that you care less about a coherent argument than dunking on Nintendo?
Giving up legitimate access to a game until you buy it again is a big cost you’re ignoring.
You’re ignoring the budget point and that all digital purchases will inevitably be void in the future.
You’re also ignoring that the cost of a bad experience goes way above the couple bucks involved.
And you’re gnoring how rarely that happens.
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It’s the emptiest open world ever made. Shrines take longer to load than to beat.
Bookstores are also dying, and stores are abandoning physical media of all kinds because people don’t buy them.
Thats not how console releases work. Games usually get technologically more advanced as the hardware ages. TotK is way more advanced than BotW. Also: I’m not following your point here.
It’s how they’re supposed to work. That ARM CPU was tapped out before the switch launched. The entire cost of porting to Nintendo systems is always for the same reason, making the obscene downgrades visually and mechanically mandatory to get games running on their system. There isn’t performance to eke out of it. It’s bad.
The switch has a huge markup. Cartridges are actually expensive. Nothing else is. Their costs were low because they used tech that would have been thrown in the trash if they didn’t buy it, and they spent virtually nothing on R&D. They absolutely could have made money on an extremely small market. It’s what they’ve been doing for years. Even without their huge cash reserves, they could have sold 500k switches and wouldn’t have lost money. Again, that’s their entire philosophy as a company. They do not take financial risks.
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It’s the emptiest open world ever made. Shrines take longer to load than to beat.
You are entitled to your opinion, if you find BotW boring. But the original point was that it was a critically acclaimed and incredibly successful system seller. You claimed that the switch sold well because of the third party support. But if it weren’t for Nintendo’s system sellers (Zelda and Mario Odyssey), the third parties wouldn’t have bothered developing for the switch. You also agreed that the switch is hard to develop for. By your logic, the PS Vita and the WiiU would have had to be successful. Stop focusing on your shit takes in order to distract from the original point.
Bookstores are also dying, and stores are abandoning physical media of all kinds because people don’t buy them.
Yes, and single player games are also dying. /s You have already shown that you make wrong assumptions based on what you feel is right (like Nintendo depending on collectors).
There isn’t performance to eke out of it.
Compare TotK to launch titles. That game is a testament on how much you can get out of aging hardware. Supposedly, Alien Isolation’s port for the switch is the best edition.
They absolutely could have made money on an extremely small market. It’s what they’ve been doing for years.
When? When has Nintendo relied on niche markets (since the NES, I mean).
Even without their huge cash reserves
What “huge” money reserves? The ones from the WiiU? They only got their cash reserves after they released the switch.
Again, that’s their entire philosophy as a company. They do not take financial risks.
Lol, do you remember the N64, the Virtualboy, the Gamecube, the WiiU, etc?
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I always imagine people who die on this hill just admiring the title screen of every game in their library for 5 seconds and calling it a gaming session lol.
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Is saving the game from an early leak worth getting rid of physical games? I hope not.
As a PC gamer who has been basically digital only since the late 00s/early 10s? Probably?
But the thing to remember is that, like with DRM, the studios have this data. There are orgs dedicated to analyzing (and selling…) sales data that can detect the impact that Mass Effect PC being “unplayable” for pirates because of securom for the first week or so had on sales (anecdotal but… probably real positive). Because this kind of stuff costs money (well, less so for removing a disc drive…) and they aren’t going to do that if they think it will hurt revenue.
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These fuckers should just release digital first, and physical “when it’s done being distributed”. This anxiety over “oh no a finished game got leaked early” is manufactured drama. If the game is done, then it doesn’t matter when it gets released, except for artificial marketing angst. Make a good game that players want, and it’ll be purchased. Eventually. It doesn’t have to all happen at exactly the predicted moment.
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Yeah i agree. Ffxvi just came out on pc and square is whining about not hitting sales goals. Like visions of mana just came out and im still playing that. Give me a couple months to buy the game, dorks
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Releasing physical months after the digital release basically guarantees you are only selling to enthusiasts and it no longer is economically viable. That is why companies like LRG exist.
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lol Nintendo are the only ones who get their games pirated, because they use antique hardware.
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Also, I feel like they kinda deserve it for being global vexatious litigants and squashing free fan projects at every opportunity.
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Yep. This is for fucking PalWorld assholes patent trolls
You get what you fucking deserve
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It’s not the “antiquity” of the hardware. It’s that the chipset was known and they forgot to lock the bootloader.
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That’s what happens when your core manufacturing philosophy is “withered technology”. You get old tech people have figured out.
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Not a nintendo fan boy, but i will say i love that they focus more on good gameplay than having the flashiest graphics
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I loved that the Gameboy was designed to survive a fall from the average shirt pocket. I love that the Wii controllers pushed gyroscopic technology so far that it allowed the explosion of quadcopters. I loved the idea of 3d through rapid aspect switching.
I loved when Nintendo pushed boundaries, not just through hardware but through gameplay. I enjoy and appreciate the Nintendo polish
I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly - good gameplay is much more important than flashy graphics. But the polish was nice - pushing boundaries is what made the difference
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???
Consoles get unlocked sooner or later. There’s already exploits circulating for the PS5. You’re gonna tell me that’s “Withered technology” ?
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A quick look at TPB’s top 100 games tells me that was a lie.
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Because you can’t easily borrow it your friend or bring it with you to a game night?
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On which website, so I can avoid it?
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There is a torrent floating around but availability is 20.9% at the moment.
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PM me a link?
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unrelated but we both have a south park reference as username lol
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Do either of you know of a great warrior by the name of loves2spooge?
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He fought with my father, DildoShwaggins.
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You play as Zelda in this game.
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ThAt iS ZeLdA /s
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Taodung com has the update but not the base.
My friend wants me to ask what site you’re avoiding
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In case you didn’t see it, someone commented where it is.
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It’s on a bunch of my private torrent trackers. I’m sure it will filter it’s way down to public trackers shortly
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i hate people so much :(
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oh no! big corpo nintemdo is gonna be so sad!
lemme play a song on the world’s smallest violin.
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But…but…there might be spoilers!!
I think it’s so silly how every article about this talks about the danger of spoilers because the game leaked early. There are going to be spoilers galore once the game officially releases in a few days. What difference does it make?
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I was going to write a snarky comment about how people can’t stay off of social media even for five days, but then I wondered “what is there to even spoil?”
It’s freaking Zelda, we all know the drill by now. I truly don’t know what is there to worry about.
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I bet Gannondorf is involved!
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lemme play a song on the world’s smallest violin ocarina.
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I’m gonna assume you’re just a really sad person who hates everyone, and this comment is off-topic, because there’s no way you’re in the Piracy community complaining about a Nintendo leak.
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Now all the emulator devs just need to please not brag about being able to emulate it.
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