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Written by Dr. Casey Fiesler on 2024-09-20 at 12:11

Ok CS/HCI people (and apologies to everyone else, just ignore this acronym soup), I have to get wider thoughts on a convo happening elsewhere on social media. Is there really a perception that CHI is better/more prestigious as a publication venue than CSCW or anything else that is part of PACM? Because that is totally wild to me, but maybe I’m just too stuck in my subfield(s) to know.

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Written by Colin Gordon on 2024-09-20 at 12:38

@cfiesler I'm not in HCI but there were similar PACM vs CONF things along the road to PACMPL. In 2017 there was a town hall at PLDI (one of the 4 main SIGPLAN conferences) discussing whether PLDI should join PACMPL (as the other 3 had already done). Some of the opinions expressed astonished me. I learned that many people (including extremely prominent senior people) thought PLDI was significantly better than the other 3, to the point where that joining PACMPL would make publishing in PLDI borderline worthless. Lots of people, not just a vocal few.

Needless to say they were wrong, PLDI finally joined PACMPL last year, and the world didn't end.

CSRankings is actually useful here, though not for its intended purpose. I think it's pretty dysfunctional as a ranking, but I think it does a "nice" job capturing prevalent biases. For example, it by default includes POPL and PLDI in the PL rankings, but you have to go into a drop-down and check extra boxes to include the other two main SIGPLAN conferences.

For CS Ed, it includes only SIGCSE (which is predominantly experience reports rather than research), and omits ICER.

For HCI, it omits CSCW entirely. (FWIW as a relative outsider, some of the coolest stuff I saw peers doing in grad school ended up at CSCW, so this makes little sense to me.)

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Written by Dr. Casey Fiesler on 2024-09-20 at 12:47

@csgordon oh yeah don’t get me started on CS Rankings haha. You’re right though, that could also be a reason for the perception.

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Written by Molly de Blanc on 2024-09-20 at 13:01

@cfiesler IIRC CSCW is always in North America, and CHI changes countries. I think international conferences gain prestige for many people.

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Written by Dr. Casey Fiesler on 2024-09-20 at 13:06

@mdb CSCW is in Costa Rica this year and (I'm fairly certain) Europe next year.

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Written by Dr. Casey Fiesler on 2024-09-20 at 13:10

@mdb Though to be clear you're right that it's traditionally been in North America! And there's been some bad luck - a planned conference in Rio in 2017 had to be moved, and then it was going to be in Taiwan but pandemic. :(

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Written by Krzysztof Gajos on 2024-09-20 at 14:26

@cfiesler I find CHI, CSCW and UIST to be our top venues (equal in quality but with CSCW and UIST being more specialized than CHI). That's the position I take in all hiring and promotion conversations.

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