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Written by ๐•ฝ๐–š๐–†๐–Ž๐–‰๐–๐–—๐–Ž๐–Œ๐– on 2024-09-17 at 14:54

What's currently (2024) the best self-hosted alternative for a Facebook Wall type of user experence?

https://midwest.social/post/16953228

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Written by tun on 2024-09-17 at 15:02

Sorry didnโ€™t read your post thoroughly.

Immich comes to mind.

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Written by Shimitar on 2024-09-17 at 19:11

I think that proposing immich for every use case out there is not the correct answer.

As much as I like immich, this is not a good use caseโ€ฆ iMHO.

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Written by Andromxda ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ on 2024-09-17 at 19:22

Now read your own comment and reconsider if it actually made sense to post this

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Written by ๐•ฝ๐–š๐–†๐–Ž๐–‰๐–๐–—๐–Ž๐–Œ๐– on 2024-09-18 at 00:47

To be fair, it is a very long-winded post. I think itโ€™s not an uncommon use case, though, and so deserved a robust sketch of the desired solution; Farmville and chat are sideshows, and what the people left on Facebook are really there for are the Walls.

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Written by tun on 2024-09-18 at 01:00

I remembered wrong that immich has comment feature.

My thoughts of train was

What came to my mind missed your bullet points. Happy hunting.

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Written by SK on 2024-09-17 at 15:16

hubzilla! its privacy controls are unparalleled, can be used as a webapp on any platform, can be used for individual profiles, forums or for building our website. (https://hubzilla.org/page/info/discover)

I've been using it since a year and i am not disappointed.

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Written by NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world on 2024-09-17 at 18:37

Tl;dr but:

If you simply want the best UX, then you need to stay with the real Facebook etc.

They spend millions and millions and millions only for UX. Free software can never compete, period.

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Written by GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org on 2024-09-17 at 20:45

Have you used Facebook in the last 5 years?

The UX is godawful. More than half my feed is just random crap suggestions and ads.

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Written by pemptago@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 23:00

I donโ€™t think they have the ux advantage that their wealth suggests due to misaligned incentives. A good portion of their investment is getting users to see as many ads as they will tolerate. Try to modify any privacy settings, for example, and the ux is as garbage as amazon.

Fediverse and self hosted, open source alternatives are still relatively new. Folks have to expect some turbulence. As things grow and more bug reports and contributions can be made, the ux could be superior because they can give users what they want instead of maximizing monetization.

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Written by ๐•ฝ๐–š๐–†๐–Ž๐–‰๐–๐–—๐–Ž๐–Œ๐– on 2024-09-18 at 00:38

There are some excellent apps out there, and by and large they look and work better than commercial apps, IME. So I disagree with the assertion that I have to stay with commercial software.

What I was asking for, in my post, was not which apps have better UX than Facebook, but rather which of the very many OSS, federated (although, not necessary for my use case), self-hosted platforms fit the specific use, and ideally with a straightforward iOS mobile app. Doesnโ€™t have to be pretty; just has to be able to quickly take and post photos to a private channel/community/wall.

Circles really is quite nice in all respects. I think theyโ€™re hindered by their choice of backend. Iโ€™ve been using Matrix for years, and key management has always been a hot mess. I wouldnโ€™t be surprised if the issues we encountered were related to Matrixโ€™s god-awful and buggy PK negotiation & management process.

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Written by bezoar@lemm.ee on 2024-09-17 at 20:18

Our family uses Humhub. Itโ€™s pretty similar to Facebook and installation/maintenance is pretty easy. The only issue would be that thereโ€™s no mobile app, however it works quite well on mobile browsers.

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Written by merde alors on 2024-09-17 at 22:05

isnโ€™t Diaspora the most popular facebook alternative?

it also has 3 client apps on fDroid.

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Written by pemptago@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 22:45

Misskey is a federated facebook alternative I heard about on mastodon recently. Iโ€™m not too familiar with it myself, but seems worth mentioning.

It has a โ€œgroupsโ€ feature that might avoid the โ€œinstance per personโ€ lemmy workaround you were thinking about. According to this comparison misskey doesnโ€™t have a like button, but a few of its forks do. Not sure about the upload experience; may depend on the app. I didnโ€™t see any clients listed on their site but did a quick search for an iOS app, which exists, so i assume android, too.

Sorry I donโ€™t have more info, but I hope thatโ€™s useful. Best of luck! Iโ€™ll be looking for a similar solution in the near future.

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Written by CyberTailor on 2024-09-18 at 04:04

Friendica, Smithereen or Hubzilla

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Written by acockworkorange@mander.xyz on 2024-09-18 at 13:39

So what you want is a self hosted Flickr alternative, with extra privacy?

Please let me know your findings, Iโ€™m very interested even though Iโ€™m not in a position to contribute.

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Written by abeorch@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-24 at 14:28

Iโ€™m not going to provide an answer here but more a point and perhaps complicate things a little more - With ActivityPub and other open Federated protocols - The Platform that you use and the client that you select can be different. I use a Mastodon account and Friendica account with FediLab as my mobile client. I guess you are looking for the feature set and then UI for both Desktop and Mobile.

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Written by ๐•ฝ๐–š๐–†๐–Ž๐–‰๐–๐–—๐–Ž๐–Œ๐– on 2024-09-25 at 12:56

Exactly. Mastodon-ish would be unsuitable as a server for a number of reasons: the loose, but still expected, character limitation; the lack of emoji responses; generally poor threading support; and the overall subscription feed-like model. OTOH, itโ€™s based on a follow-the-user model, which is nice. Iโ€™m less familiar with Friendica, but AFAIK thatโ€™s also a follow-the-user model.

The issue with Federation is the general expectation that these are public places. You can lock them down, but thatโ€™s not what theyโ€™re designed for, and in my case, the risk of misconfiguration exposing a bunch of toddler pictures that the parents want to keep private is too high. I think of the server is federated-by-nature, then it must also be paranoid-by-default; I donโ€™t trust share-public-by-default projects to not introduced something in an upgrade that exposes data. At least if the base presumption of the developers is that all information is private by default, the risk is limited to true accidents rather than false assumptions.

ActivityPub is enticing. Itโ€™s an exciting spec, and offers many client options. Iโ€™m worried only about those base assumptions.

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