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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:05

Now that #Brazil has banned Xitter, where are Brazilian people going?

Based on Google Trends, they’re mostly interested in #Bluesky, and to a (much) lesser extent, in #Threads

[#]Mastodon is nowhere to be found, which should immensely worry pro-Fedi people

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:09

[#]Mastodon has been losing users for a long time

Many of us warned that the app was too complicated, the culture too toxic, the economic model not strong enough to sustain a fast-paced development

In just a few months, #Bluesky shipped DMs, major moderation features, third-party moderation, and will soon ship video

The last major Mastodon update was 11 months ago. An eternity.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:12

It pains me to see #Mastodon in such a dire state

Meta is building and growing #Threads quickly, and Mastodon can only acts as a powerful counterweight if the platform itself is in good shape

Today, it is not

It’s not catastrophic, but the writing is on the wall

And what’s virtually certain is that Mastodon has definitely missed the unique window that Elon Musk opened when he bought Twitter

Such a window won’t reopen soon, and possibly will never happen again

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:16

All of this should be a wake up call for #Mastodon as a community

I’m not super optimistic to be honest, which is why I’ve basically deserted the platform and I’m spending my time on #Bluesky these days

The silver lining of today’s events in Brazil is that even if Mastodon is left out of the equation, another open platform is benefiting from this mess

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Written by william.maggos on 2024-08-31 at 00:01

@o_simardcasanova

Bluesky is only theoretically decentralized. Same with Threads. They both have an extremely simple onboarding process because of this. Get back to me when it's a fair competition.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:07

@wjmaggos This is completely false, Bluesky is already widely decentralized

Get back to me when you will have your basic facts straight

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Written by william.maggos on 2024-08-31 at 00:10

@o_simardcasanova

maybe I'm wrong then. how are these Brazilians joining up?

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:17

@wjmaggos Not "maybe", you absolutely are

The overwhelming majority of algorithmic feeds aren’t run by Bluesky, there exists dozens of moderation labelers, and thousands of users already self-host their PDSes

Sure, there’s no alternative relays or AppViews, but the underlying protocol has only been capable of accepting federation for six months

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Written by william.maggos on 2024-08-31 at 00:58

@o_simardcasanova

I understand but percentage wise, it's extremely centralized. just like if mastodon decided to do something shitty, it would really hurt the overall fedi and AP. except bluesky has much more influence over the AT protocol. similarly, defaulting everybody to mastodon dot social helped our onboarding process. it's a trade-off for growth vs the larger goal of empowering users and you're being a bit disingenuous not acknowledging this.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 01:06

@wjmaggos Bluesky is more centralized because it’s literally by design

Which doesn’t mean there’s no decentralization. It’s just a different model of decentralization.

It’s not disingenuous to say that a protocol works exactly how it was designed to work

Also, users are a lot more empowered on Bluesky than on Mastodon: they can choose their own algorithmic feeds, or use a chronological one. They can gate replies and quotes. They can choose their moderation. Mastodon has none of this.

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Written by meta physical deflationist on 2024-08-31 at 08:11

@o_simardcasanova @wjmaggos AP literally allows all of those things and having 1 relay makes it not decentralized

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