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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:05

Now that #Brazil has banned Xitter, where are Brazilian people going?

Based on Google Trends, they’re mostly interested in #Bluesky, and to a (much) lesser extent, in #Threads

[#]Mastodon is nowhere to be found, which should immensely worry pro-Fedi people

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:09

[#]Mastodon has been losing users for a long time

Many of us warned that the app was too complicated, the culture too toxic, the economic model not strong enough to sustain a fast-paced development

In just a few months, #Bluesky shipped DMs, major moderation features, third-party moderation, and will soon ship video

The last major Mastodon update was 11 months ago. An eternity.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:12

It pains me to see #Mastodon in such a dire state

Meta is building and growing #Threads quickly, and Mastodon can only acts as a powerful counterweight if the platform itself is in good shape

Today, it is not

It’s not catastrophic, but the writing is on the wall

And what’s virtually certain is that Mastodon has definitely missed the unique window that Elon Musk opened when he bought Twitter

Such a window won’t reopen soon, and possibly will never happen again

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:16

All of this should be a wake up call for #Mastodon as a community

I’m not super optimistic to be honest, which is why I’ve basically deserted the platform and I’m spending my time on #Bluesky these days

The silver lining of today’s events in Brazil is that even if Mastodon is left out of the equation, another open platform is benefiting from this mess

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Written by Michael Santaly on 2024-08-30 at 23:58

@o_simardcasanova I agree with everything you’re saying. But I don’t think Mastadon can compete with the resources of Meta or the VC backing of Bluesky. I think Mastodon is 3 engineers? It is what it is

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Written by R Scott Jones on 2024-08-31 at 00:20

@wonkothesane @o_simardcasanova Do a lot of fedi people WANT it to compete head to head? Because a whole bunch of us don’t want that future.

If my mastodon feed ever starts resembling the feed on Threads or Bluesky, then I’m moving on anyway.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:26

@rscottjones @wonkothesane Probably not, but if Mastodon can’t compete, it won’t have the chance to live up to its ambition to offer a different way to do social media

Offering this allegedly superior experience to only a very small fraction of the user base being the literal definition of elitism

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Written by R Scott Jones on 2024-08-31 at 00:32

@o_simardcasanova @wonkothesane It can’t be a different way of doing social media if it does the same thing the others do.

It’s not elitist, literally anyone can participate and even run their own server.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:39

@rscottjones @wonkothesane I’m sorry but this is wishful thinking

As a start, the overwhelming majority of people don’t want and/or don’t know how to run their instance

And even if they wanted to, properly running an instance is actually very complicated. Trust me, I tried.

It’s not, never was, and will never be, a realistic answer

Once again, I’m sorry but yes, this is textbook elitism to suggest a solution the overwhelming majority of people can’t really use

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Descendants

Written by Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 01:45

@o_simardcasanova @rscottjones @wonkothesane And it's also a fairly bad experience even if you can handle the complicated, because of how the underlying architecture works…

(Example: those likes/faves on those few comments in this thread that I made, I did by pressing the "…" button on each separate comment, then selecting "Copy link to post", switching to another tab, pasting the URL into the search, waiting a second and then pressing the like button…)

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 01:52

@mackuba @rscottjones @wonkothesane Yeah, the architecture is too complicated in my opinion

I remember listening to a bunch of tech podcasts where literal app developers said they were confused by the way Mastodon works

Now that I’m using Bluesky a lot more, I can see all the frictions I got used to but that only exist on Mastodon (and possibly on other AP platforms)

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Written by Pierre on 2024-08-31 at 02:27

@mackuba @o_simardcasanova @rscottjones @wonkothesane On activitypub, interactions like these are the most confusing part when it doesn't have to be for new users. I wouldn't be surprised as more users try, give up and then go to Bluesky or even Nostr

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Written by Valley of the Dragon on 2024-08-31 at 12:11

@mackuba

Huh. I press the star button to like a post. Pretty easy, really. If I had to guess, I'd say you're making things unnecessarily complicated to support your argument.

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Written by Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 14:19

@dragonvalley @o_simardcasanova @rscottjones @wonkothesane Yes, because you're on an instance that has 2.6K users, I'm on an instance that has 1 user. This part of the thread was a response to a mention that anyone can run their own server, so I'm describing how it is to run your own server.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 16:17

@mackuba @dragonvalley @rscottjones @wonkothesane Look at you Kuba, inadvertently validating my decision to not host my own instance 😬

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Written by R Scott Jones on 2024-08-31 at 02:22

@o_simardcasanova @wonkothesane Oh please. It’s as easy as Bluesky to sign up.

And I’m not techie at all and run two instances via masto.host and it takes fewer clicks than an Amazon order. But that doesn’t matter, because it’s not a requirement. But it wouldn’t take much to run your own friends-first instance.

But again, your definition of “success” might be much, much different than what many existing users here want. That’s not elitism, it’s just a different way of being.

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Written by kurtsh on 2024-08-31 at 08:36

@o_simardcasanova @rscottjones @wonkothesane I've found that there is a fundamental disagreement about the critical importance of adoption & usage.

Despite usage & adoption being the universal metric for social network value, Fediverse flagwavers in a fit of wishful thinking, love to say that "active usage isn't important" & "quality of experience is what matters".

This armchair analysis isn't simply not useful - it's patently wrong. Ask any social network researcher. Usage + Adoption = Value.

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