Everyone tech-adjacent celebrating Durov's arrest should read the charges against him as some are very problematic:
How many OSS tools violate these?
https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files/2024-08/2024-08-26%20-%20CP%20TELEGRAM%20.pdf
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@djm France has long had problematic rules about encryption. That's been discussed since before RSA lost its patent.
I should point out that the U.S. also has very similar problematic export notification restrictions for U.S. residents and U.S. persons, even abroad (much to my dismay, I should add).
In neither case do the restrictions have any practical effect, but they do allow targeting "undesirable" people.
https://www.gp-digital.org/world-map-of-encryption/
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@bk2204 AFAIK (and IANAL) the US ITAR has broad carveouts for "open source" cryptography, and there's also case law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
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@djm True, but you still have to notify the BIS and NSA—at an email address that didn't work, last I tried using it. It's been a while, so maybe they've fixed it by now.
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@djm those specific charges may be BS. but I have no doubt Durov and Telegram are up to no good, and a danger to US/West and democracies in general. pattern of evidence visible consistent with Telegram being a Russian intelligence op and/or otherwise in bed with Putin
nobody with state-level threat models or lives on the line should run Telegram or use it for comms
eg. others have already gone deep on the suspicious qualities of its supposed encryption features
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@synlogic I'm not talking about the other charges, Durov's relationship to the Russian state. I deliberately restricted my comments to something with IMO significantly wider implications for privacy-preserving technology.
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@djm got it. and makes sense
I guess I implied they might be using this as a cover excuse for their real goal: taking a swat at Putin and Russia and sending a signal that US/allies are "on" to Telegram
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@djm
Paradoxically, French law (and law enforcement) completely ignores OSS. They focus on commercial software or, in this case, social networks.
For instance ANSSI, the French agency for information security even has a guide for using openssh 'securely' https://cyber.gouv.fr/publications/usage-securise-dopenssh
But I agree (and I have said it elsewhere), I hope the French authorities are not going to reopen this can of worms.
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@djm Not nearly enough tools violate those. Hack the Planet!
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@djm he indirectly supports genocide against Ukraine. It’s enough.
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