Took a second pass at the @NVAccess NVDA Expert certification this morning and passed it with an 87. Barely failed it with a 78 about three weeks ago.
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@NVAccess I wonder how many folks have both the NVDA and JAWS certification. No way I'm the only one.
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@jyarbrough @NVAccess I’m glad to see you have these! I only just learned about those certs this week. Which SR do you use for day-to-day web use?
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@click2carney @NVAccess JAWS is my day-to-day, but I use NVDA a decent bit for testing with my day job.
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@jyarbrough @NVAccess no, you aren't. I have both and I suspect there are many others as well.
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@bmoore123 @jyarbrough I've seen others with both, but it isn't something we track.
For those proficient in both, two requests please:
Thank you!
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@NVAccess Thanks for posting this. There's a shear lack of info in it about Braille and Ms Office support, mainly because I rarely use them.
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@KaraLG84 For Braille, is it around setting up displays (which are increasingly auto detected now), or using?
With Office, I know NVDA tends to rely on the features in Office itself. except for a few things like comments in Excel (from memory). Does Jaws use many features which are specifically overridden in Office and provide a different experience?
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@NVAccess It needs more info about using Braille. As for office it's been years since I last used it with JAWS so I'm not sure.
Saying that, JAWS does have what I think is a handy feature for Excel called Monitor Cells that nvda could do with. You can set up cells you need to refer to, and you can either check them with hotkeys or have them read automatically. I think with the latter you can only set one.Saves hunting for them in a large spreadsheet.
I've only ever used it when learning to use Excel, but I imagine it'd be useful for checking totals when doing formulas and the like.
I did create an issue for this years ago.
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@KaraLG84 Thanks Kara! I was going to say we do have an issue for that - but looks like you were the one who created it - so you likely already know that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10201
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@NVAccess @bmoore123 @jyarbrough Yeah that's it. I've not got much to add other than it's still a problem in NVDA 2024.3beta6 and Firefox 129. I will comment with that though since there's not been anything posted recently.
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@KaraLG84 @bmoore123 @jyarbrough From the comments, it looks like it is definitely a frustrating bug when people hit it, but I'm afraid I don't have anything to add either.
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@NVAccess I just noticed I added this to the wrong post because of VO's focusing bug in Mona.
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@NVAccess @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 In Excel, JAWS announces if there is conditional formatting, if there are hidden cells around, and if sorting or filtering is enabled.
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@NVAccess @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 In baan (an old ERP) JAWS announces labels which NVDA doesn't, it announces the active item in menus if announce highlighted text is on, and it has a gesture (JAWS key + Escape) to refresh the screen to get rid of items which are no longer relevant and are shown black on black (also formatting is announced in this application with JAWS but not with NVDA). Thanks very much!
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@sukiletxe @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 Is this software still used, and is it possible to download and test? I don't have any knowledge of it, but please feel free to create an issue on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new?assignees=&labels=&projects=&template=feature_request.md if there is something we can do to improve access
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@NVAccess @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 Oh also you can set more than one row (and I guess column too?) header. Suppose you have merged cells for years, then below that months, then below G for gains and L for loses, and finally data. In JAWS you can have it say 2024 July G when moving column by column. Hope I made myself clear enough
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@sukiletxe @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 Yes that is clear. I can't find an issue for that, but please do feel free to write up an issue. I'm also not sure if it will still be possible with the move to UIA & how headers have worked with that so far: NVDA takes table header row / first column as headers without needing to set them manually - I suspect this works better in the "majority" of cases (once people are familiar with Excel tables), but may be more restricting in some cases).
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@sukiletxe @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 Thanks for this! With conditional formating, what would you like reported? You can set NVDA to report changes in colour, for instance, if I set the "Green-White colour scale", it will report the background from white to pale green, to grey-green, to green, etc.
For reporting hidden cells, that would also be worth creating an issue for.
For filter status, we DO have an existing issue here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6065 Please do add any missing info there.
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@sukiletxe @bmoore123 @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 I have created an issue for reporting hidden cells, but please do comment on it with how you would like such information to work: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/16997
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@NVAccess @jyarbrough @KaraLG84 will look over the switching guide and make suggestions if I can. The only thing which comes to mind that comes to mind where I revert to jaws are complex spreadsheets in excel with lots of headers and formulas.
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