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Written by Evan "CFO of Antifa" Clark on 2024-08-05 at 08:50

"Everyone having basic needs met" is a good goal, but not one that can be achieved via #degrowth. In fact, most of the things degrowthers say they want would actually require increased growth.

Getting housing, internet, public utilities, education are all part of economic activity, and they're all counted in GDP; producing more of them requires growth.

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Written by Mark Burton on 2024-08-05 at 08:52

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The problem is aggregate growth, not growth in specific things.

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Written by Evan "CFO of Antifa" Clark on 2024-08-05 at 09:02

@markhburton How's (involuntary) degrowth going for you folks over in England?

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Written by Mark Burton on 2024-08-05 at 09:04

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A real mess - but of course that's entirely different from the kind of managed and equitable contraction that #degrowth envisages.

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Written by Evan "CFO of Antifa" Clark on 2024-08-05 at 09:15

@markhburton Frankly, I'm quite pessimistic on if that amount of centralized planning is even possible. Also, absolute decoupling seems to already be happening in many countries (trade adjusted graph below).

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Written by Mark Burton on 2024-08-05 at 10:25

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As @timparrique notes,

"..only eleven countries in the world have experienced an absolute #decoupling of GDP and consumption-based greenhouse gases. Concerning the pace of emission reductions, these frontrunners would on average take more than 220 years to achieve near carbon neutrality, emitting 27 times their remaining 1.5°C fair-shares in the process."

https://timotheeparrique.com/a-response-to-hannah-ritchie-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-economic-growth/

Also:

https://timotheeparrique.com/a-response-to-enrique-dans-decoupling-is-fake-news/

I wrote on it at some length:

https://steadystatemanchester.net/2016/04/15/new-evidence-on-decoupling-carbon-emissions-from-gdp-growth-what-does-it-mean/

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