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Written by Suran on 2024-01-22 at 07:51

[#]Google is turning #GMail from an Email provider into a website.

No more access via standard email protocols such as #IMAP and #POP

Access via IMAP4 and POP3 as well as Mail Submission via SMTP require OAuth2 authentication via a web browser.

Probably according to RFC7628

The final stage of #enshittification . Locking the users in.

I wonder how they want to get rid of SMTP as stated in the support posting.

I guess this means outgoing SMTP to forward mail to a real email server.

I guess without relaying I won't ever receive any notifications Google services send to me again as I don't use the Gmail website.

I host my own Email server for many years, thank you.

Timeline for transition

Summer of 2024:

If you (or your users) try to connect to a less secure app for the first time, you will not be able to. This restriction includes third-party apps that still use basic authentication, such as CalDAV, CardDAV, IMAP, SMTP, and POP, to access Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts. If you’re not trying to connect for the first time, you will be able to continue using the apps until they’re turned off.

In the Google Admin console, you will not be able to access the turn on and off setting for less secure apps. 

Users will not be able to turn IMAP on or off in their Gmail settings.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en&sjid=8073259250606890309-EU

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Written by simon.old on 2024-01-22 at 11:14

@Suran @cary5871 I'm having a hard time determining whether this means IMAP, etc. won't work at all, or whether it just means you have to generate an app password to use it. If they're going to shut off IMAP even with app passwords, that's huge. But that's not clear from this article. Either way, this might be the push I need to finally migrate my stuff away from gmail. My first gmail account is old enough to vote now, and I have every e-mail I've ever received on it. Definitely time to put those somewhere else.

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Written by Cary ✨ on 2024-01-22 at 11:17

@simon @Suran if it means no more imap at all whatsoever, I have literally no idea what I'm going to do. lol, I've been on GMail since its inception, just about, and while I don't have every single email I've received, it's where I get all the email from the lists I'm subscribed to, and overall, it would be a pretty serious undertaking to migrate to something new. bleh.

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Written by simon.old on 2024-01-22 at 11:18

@cary5871 @Suran Well, what are you currently using to access it? All the major clients already log in using OAuth so they're not going to be affected. This includes Thunderbird, Apple Mail, outlook, Windows Mail.

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Written by Cary ✨ on 2024-01-22 at 11:19

@simon @Suran I'm using Betterbird, which is a thunderbird clone? I guess you'd call it...

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Written by simon.old on 2024-01-22 at 11:20

@cary5871 @Suran Thunderbird uses a web-based login for Google accounts so I'd guess you're probably fine. But I don't know if Google has some kind of certification process for their "more secure apps" or something else that might gatekeep all the GMail backup scripts, for instance.

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Written by James H on 2024-01-22 at 11:30

@simon @cary5871 @Suran They do not. We use this at work and my Outlook, plus my iOS mail, do what they're told without complaining.

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