IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 15, 2022

beginning of new day, October 15

00:10 TR News; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-14 meeting moderated by people who demanded that FSF founder be removed from FSF

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00:10 TR Bot; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

00:11 TR News; "October 7, 2022 meeting, where we saw a couple of new programs added, an update to a collection page, and a discussion on the value of providing licensing and copyright notification file headers to every code file." "https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-07

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00:11 TR Bot; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-07 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

00:12 TR News; Libera* Software Foundation. (*see Code of Conduct for things you cannot see or say)

00:14 TR News; "If you have Windows installed on your computer and then installed a Linux distro next to that, your computer may not boot from the correct drive." https://www.androidauthority.com/change-windows-boot-drive-bios-3220576/

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00:14 TR Bot; How to change the Windows boot drive in BIOS - Android Authority

00:16 TR News; "The FIRST first was on gemlog.blue, which I quickly left after realizing it was completely unmoderated. The SECOND first was on smol.pub, which is a lovely place with a great dev, but over time I came to decide I wanted to keep my gemlog here on my capsule and maintain it myself." gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/gemlog/first_entry.gmi

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00:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Doctor Pizza not the "Doctor" with the DoorDash Pizza?

00:20 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/coming2.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-coming#comic )

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00:21 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

00:26 DaemonFC; Don't mind mjg59_.

00:26 MinceR; :>

00:27 DaemonFC; He was just getting in a quick Pepperoni pizza before the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes has their pork ban go into effect.

00:27 DaemonFC; Fucking morons.

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00:54 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129000615/the-fda-declares-a-shortage-of-adderall

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00:54 TR Bot; The FDA has officially declared a shortage of ADHD drug Adderall : NPR

00:55 DaemonFC; "So some people are just going without," he said. "You know, they're not doing as well at their jobs. They're not really able to keep up as much in professional and personal relationships. Some people I've talked to are trying to compensate with other sort of stimulants, drinking a lot of coffee, energy drinks people I've talked to who have thought about going to the black market."

00:55 DaemonFC; Drug addicts.

00:57 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129172979/election-software-ceo-is-charged-with-allegedly-giving-chinese-contractors-data-

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00:57 TR Bot; CEO of poll worker scheduling software company Konnech charged in Los Angeles : NPR

00:58 DaemonFC; Slipping data to the Chinese.

1 AM, October 15

01:11 TR News; Trying to blame "GoLang" because people write programs in GoLang and "Linux" because people can install malware on Linux https://www.hackread.com/alchimist-attack-framework-linux-windows-mac/

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01:11 TR Bot; Linux, Windows and macOS Hit By New "Alchimist" Attack Framework

01:12 TR News; (NEW): The Wine development release 7.19 is now available. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.gmi

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01:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Wine development release 7.19 is now available.

01:13 TR News; Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World https://www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html Source: Network World | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html

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01:13 TR Bot; Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World

01:32 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/10/13/1126878376/christian-lee-captures-black-gun-ownership-in-armed-doesnt-mean-dangerous

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01:32 TR Bot; These are the faces of the rising number of Black gun owners in the U.S. : The Picture Show : NPR

01:33 DaemonFC; They mean ones with a permit, I'm assuming?

01:35 DaemonFC; The ones with the permits are getting them because of the people without the permits that the cops just watch commit felonies and then go "What do you want us to do about it? Oh here, we'll frame you for a traffic ticket while we're here.".

01:37 XRevan86; https://openwrt.org/releases/22.03/notes-22.03.1

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01:37 TR Bot; [OpenWrt Wiki] OpenWrt 22.03.1 - Service Release - 12 October 2022

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01:59 whitenigga; frog: you're insane dawg

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2 AM, October 15

02:04 *starstreak picks up her vape, presses the button and inhales

02:04 *starstreak exhales smoke out of her nose

02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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02:28 reptilian_thrills; starstreak! if there must beee streeeeaaak, pleeeeease let this staaaarrstreeeeaaaaak...

02:28 reptilian_thrills; staaaaaayyy.....

02:28 reptilian_thrills;

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02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-141022.txt

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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022

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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022

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02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022

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02:44 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022

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3 AM, October 15

03:05 AdmFubar; oh this is just wrong https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/10/researchers-make-cyborg-cockroaches-that-carry-their-own-power-packs/

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03:05 TR Bot; Researchers make cyborg cockroaches that carry their own power packs | Ars Technica

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03:24 DaemonFC; https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311666518_547216697405301_3257991382648606889_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=_w42PFAKhdcAX9_ekK9&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=00_AT9OsER-g3jwEKxUp1BzOlYsAafriivyo7q-pF4Fl2YaDg&oe=634E0F7C

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03:24 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

03:25 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128694481/with-two-black-men-running-for-senate-in-georgia-race-takes-center-stage

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03:25 TR Bot; Raphael Warnock and Hershel Walker discuss race in Georgia Senate contest : NPR

03:26 DaemonFC; Ah, yes, the contender on the right. A dumb piece of shit football celebrity with 150 traumatic brain injuries, who sired kids with women all over Georgia that he wasn't married to, and ran out on all of them. Endorsed by Trump.

03:27 DaemonFC; And the contender on the left, a longtime married man, pastor, and father.

03:27 DaemonFC; How is the polling on this even close?

03:30 DaemonFC; I could never vote for a man like Herschel Walker. I mean, for fuck's sake. The guy's favorite pastime is obviously making lots and lots of illegitimate kids from broken homes and having women chasing him for child support.

03:32 DaemonFC; At least Trump managed to find a guy who went to college (on the football team, so.....they find you classes that are almost impossible for anyone to fail).

03:32 DaemonFC; :)

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03:36 geert; supsupsupsup

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03:40 AdmFubar; and you think you have it bad... https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/15/potty-prices-sydney-studio-apartment-with-toilet-in-kitchen-on-market-for-520-a-week

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03:40 TR Bot; Potty prices: Sydney studio apartment with toilet in kitchen on market for $520 a week | Housing | The Guardian

03:41 geert; thats not regular inflation effects anymore

03:41 geert; uh oh

03:44 DaemonFC; If Illinois had voter ID, it wouldn't be this nonsense from the 18th century where they're at the county clerk going "That doesn't look like Ryan Farmer's signature!".

03:45 DaemonFC; And it's a couple of 90 year old women without their readers on.

03:45 DaemonFC; Because there's nothing better to do when you're on Social Security waiting to die.

03:46 DaemonFC; In Indiana, there's no question of who can vote or not.

03:46 DaemonFC; If you're a felon, you can't vote.

03:46 DaemonFC; If you're anyone else, bring some form of state-issued photo ID on it with your address listed.

03:46 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, then you run into other problems.

03:47 DaemonFC; Like that lady who confused me with another Ryan Farmer living in the county and said "You already voted! I'm calling the police!" Again, 90 year old woman, nothing better to do, on a power trip.

03:47 DaemonFC; My fucking God. Can you believe how much the limo liberals like mjg59_ would be shitting themselves if I was black and running into these people?

03:48 DaemonFC; It's almost like it just happens to white men too, you know?

03:48 DaemonFC; Nobody covers it on the news.

03:48 DaemonFC; The cops pull white men over and kill them.

03:48 geert; voting dont make much sense anyway when some people figure the so called 'masses' 'dumb deplorables' who would threaten state security by un- or mis-informed voting instead of more of correctly addressing underlying issues

03:48 DaemonFC; The election workers threaten to call the police on a white man trying to vote.

03:48 geert; doesnt* voting doesn't

03:49 DaemonFC; You ask for an apartment with a misdemeanor on your record, they threaten you there too.....white man.

03:49 DaemonFC; Won't someone please think of the white men?

03:49 geert; so many people kind of tangled up with them 'colors' i guess

03:49 geert; so much nonsense

03:49 geert; its not the 'colors'

03:50 DaemonFC; I've seen Darren Bailey's tax returns. Five years of them.

03:50 geert; besides its not black and white either, those are not considered 'colors' and actually nobody really is black or white

03:50 geert; its more like everybody is 'colored', some more dark, others less dark

03:50 DaemonFC; Sometimes he doesn't have any money to tax because his farm lost money that year.

03:50 geert; it kind of begins there already

03:50 DaemonFC; He makes more money as a Illinois State Senator than he does farming.

03:50 geert; if we dont get to adress it more properly, e.g. stopping the nonsense about black and white and just regarding everyone colored, i dont get to expect much improvement soon

03:51 DaemonFC; It's true that he could sell the land for a few million bucks, and it's also true that on the whole he makes some money with his farm, but I mean, the guy is not a multi-billion dollar hotel heir.

03:51 DaemonFC; Like what he have in there now.

03:51 DaemonFC; Like, it's a guy that's out on his tractor in blue jeans, filling out his income tax forms like everyone else.

03:51 DaemonFC; I don't like Pritzker.

03:52 DaemonFC; I voted for him last time because Brucer Rauner was an incompetent fool who was essentially a Democrat in the worst ways and as crooked as any of them are.

03:52 DaemonFC; *Bruce

03:52 DaemonFC; He made money with a hedge fund. He signed a bill that created taxpayer-funded abortion for all state employees and women on Medicaid.

03:53 geert; btw whats up with the kind of inflexible old hacker space decoration called MinceR maybe?

03:53 DaemonFC; And he got into a pissing match with Mike Madigan, who offered him a "compromise package", and Rauner threatened a veto. So Madigan just kept the state government unfunded for two years. And in those two years, stuff still got done in Madigan's district, including a brand new High School.

03:55 DaemonFC; It's ridiculous. Once every couple years you get a ballot and maybe there's even a few choices on it.

03:55 DaemonFC; And they try to stop it from going in the box.

03:55 geert; many so calledpromises are more to lure you in on purpose than planned to be kept as well

03:55 geert; kind of complications in regard to voting process as well i guess

03:56 DaemonFC; I suppose if voting made no difference at all, then what happened to me today wouldn't be possible.

03:56 DaemonFC; After all, what difference does it make, so why would they care?

03:56 DaemonFC; They're panicking. The Democrats are.

03:56 geert; well of course it got effects, called 'difference', although not necessarily as appointed officially

03:57 DaemonFC; They're sending out panicked emails to me saying that they need "3,000 more voters" in Waukegan than last time or they could lose the Supreme Court.

03:57 geert; oof not just them, much 'republicans' arent really in their right minds either

03:57 DaemonFC; Good, fuck em.

03:57 DaemonFC; I already voted for the Republican for the Supreme Court.

03:57 DaemonFC; I want the FOID Act gone.

03:57 geert; i think it basically comes down to; not just voting process but underlying so called 'politics' basically got hijacked

03:57 DaemonFC; Now they need to find 3,001 voters in Waukegan, I suppose.

03:57 geert; see this so called politics it kind of get influence in public affairs and commercial interest got kind of heftier lobby than regular workers, even if bundled via unions

03:58 DaemonFC; They obviously don't have this thing in the bag if they've lost me.

03:58 geert; meaning the one lobby got more influence than the other, and supposed politics couldnt stay with 'common interest' so shifted to heftier lobby, but without provoking conflict by explaining it properly to 'voters'

03:59 DaemonFC; I don't know about Bailey and lobbyists.

03:59 DaemonFC; The business groups were trying to prop up Richard Irvin.

03:59 geert; voting process effects is more of result to such complications, it should be expected as corrupted as so called politics moved from common interest to particular interest so to speak

03:59 DaemonFC; Ken Griffin lost $50 million on Irvin and then said he was leaving Illinois.

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03:59 geert; oof im not really into those names in depth from the netherlands

03:59 DaemonFC; Griffin was one of the few Republican megadonors in Illinois politics.

03:59 DaemonFC; He was the one behind Rauner too.

4 AM, October 15

04:00 geert; we got quite some stuff going in netherlands ourselves so to speak, currently

04:00 DaemonFC; The big money was all on Irvin.

04:00 geert; not trying to be rude, maybe in a bit i get to look up a bit into those names, probably would stimulate better discussion here

04:00 DaemonFC; And once he lost the primary election, big time, they haven't been so excited.

04:01 DaemonFC; I don't like being bribed and Pritzker was trying to bribe me.

04:01 DaemonFC; They sent $50 for me and $50 for my spouse, but $100, really?

04:01 DaemonFC; In the middle of THIS?

04:01 DaemonFC; And where did the state come up with that?

04:02 DaemonFC; And why are couples with two kids who make $400,000 getting $200?

04:02 DaemonFC; Does $200 make much difference on an income of $400,000?

04:02 DaemonFC; I was talking to schestowitz[TR] about the cash bribes with your own money.

04:02 DaemonFC; And they slip them to people who ARE....NOT....POOR. And.....do not need it!

04:03 DaemonFC; If they cut that shit out and set a $75,000 household cap or something, they could double it and at least make some difference to people getting crushed under inflation right now!

04:03 DaemonFC; I don't think there should be a stimulus check for any household making over $75,000 unless maybe they have kids, and then they should probably make the cap $95,000 or something.

04:04 DaemonFC; I'm just not okay with stimulus checks going to people with six figure incomes.

04:04 geert; one should strive for less corruption in any system, which would favor the systems original purpose, so to speak

04:04 DaemonFC; It's a psychologically important thing, you know?

04:04 DaemonFC; What do people with $400,000 a year do with a $50 check from the government? MMM?

04:04 geert; but we get to deal with kind of peculiar situations, in many aspects of society, where quite some people try utilize the corruption with systems

04:04 DaemonFC; :)

04:05 DaemonFC; Good for one free oil change at Walmart. -Pritzker

04:05 geert; this is basically described where fast most difficulties stem from, from a more of direct perspective

04:05 DaemonFC; I wonder if Matt GULAG got his California stimulus from Governor French Laundry.

04:05 geert; whether its law system, digital system, voting system, systems should basically not be corrupt as it stimulates 'dysfunction'

04:05 DaemonFC; Or if it just went to illegal immigrants.

04:06 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Chime in buddy.

04:06 geert; and that is not why people tried systems

04:06 DaemonFC; Don't hold it back. I hate French Laundry too, you know!

04:06 geert; they tried systems to deal experience of difficulties/hardship better

04:06 geert; and dysfunction doesnt favor that dealing

04:07 geert; so regarding money, definition of money, so called monetary system, we get to see that quite some people favor predictability within market than the volatility of market consisting of more authentic difficulties and tries to match possibilities to those difficulties, sometimes referred to as 'problems - solutions dynamic'

04:08 geert; that trying to favor predictability over quality, as an example, is basically coming down to utilzing corrupting the system instead of minimizing corrupting the system

04:08 DaemonFC; California is so mismanaged that they chased out like 560,000 of their residents, net, over the last ten years.

04:08 geert; without that, regarding money, you BET all lobying would be stimulated in very different functioning

04:08 DaemonFC; And that's on top of the ones that keeled over of COVID and had to deal with the fires.

04:09 DaemonFC; Governor French Laundry dining with no mask on with rich pals, sending prisoners out to deal with fire.

04:09 DaemonFC; mjg59_, That's your governor!

04:09 geert; so lobbying is result to that, to a quite significant extent, to which suppposed 'politics' is result to lobbying to which voting process is result to supposed politics

04:09 geert; so malicious corrupted cause leading to expectable malicious corrupted results

04:09 DaemonFC; I don't think many of us would mind if California finally fell into the ocean.

04:09 DaemonFC; I'm glad, watching what's happening to San Francisco.

04:10 geert; well that suggestion seems a bit harsh to me

04:10 DaemonFC; They're experiencing like 500-600 layoffs a day there now.

04:10 DaemonFC; Soon there won't be anything left of the place.

04:10 geert; you dont need to be overly hostile because they refuse to do something else than make many mistakes there, so to speak

04:10 geert; well its not going all too good, thats for sure

04:10 geert; but hey some so called 'red states' got issues too bro no kidding ya

04:12 DaemonFC; The "red states" grow the food and manufacture things and have power generation.

04:12 DaemonFC; The blue states get freaks like mjg59_ whose work will be wiped out soon in a tech crash bankruptcy.

04:12 geert; oh its might be different issues

04:13 geert; but without addressing the corrupting the system against each other, i dont think many red or blue change much

04:13 geert; look its both sides not muchpolitics left

04:13 geert; lots of crap, hijacked crap, and those trying to utilize misuse of money behind it, well, those pretty much dont care much color anyway

04:14 geert; thats more like elitism to what they consider stupid and replacable, or uber/untermensch kind except not so much with race as with hitler but more with whats considered 'economical interest representation'

04:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, so they spend their time mocking people. The people who run the economy that they depend on. Who do actual work.

04:15 geert; very much corrupted 'economical interest' though

04:15 DaemonFC; And then they wonder where people like Trump come from.

04:16 geert; 'market effects' has lead to things like 'top dog' positions moving FAR AWAY from 'top of the bill mentality within group'

04:16 geert; meaning group as system got corrupted thus gain of dysfunction

04:16 geert; this monetary flawed design doesnt stimulate top of the bill mentality closer to top dog position so to speak

04:17 geert; its reverse, so without addressing these relatively easy matter more properly, there is not much improvement to be expected

04:17 geert; it dont matter much if its called red, blue, democratic or republican, the shit is paid pretty much by what we call money

04:17 geert; so we got to deal them dynamics first if we collectively get to aim for more improvement so to speak

04:17 geert; theres not much 'but' there.

04:18 geert; its gotten this much of misery, that much so called 'status quo' is considered professionalism within system a threat and tries to attack it

04:19 geert; and then some people under disguise of great reset pretty much rather 'de-populate' in order to keep the corrupted monetary crapthan to address it properly

04:19 geert; i mean the corrupted monetary crap that gets to cause almost all the other crap

04:19 geert; so to speak

04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

04:20 geert; making this great reset caller, on the outside, in reality more of a build up of a 'vierten reich' albeit the organizers strive for much more succesful one than hitlers dritten reich tries

04:20 geert; yea we got some serious issues these days, it go bit beyond cali and what not blue or red states, pretty much throughout the globe

04:21 geert; did you get to know that without supposed 'globalist' warmongerers .ru still wouldn't have gotten to annex crimea TO THIS FRICKEN DAY?

04:21 geert; as an example

04:21 geert; boy we got quite the issues currently and more than quite some decades ago, lots of supposed knowledged people that meanwhile just more of conformistically repeat nonsense from goons than actually fricken understand much

04:21 geert; yea, we got some serious issues

04:24 geert; oh wow i didnt got banned yet

04:25 geert; yeayea we getting some hackers a bit moarinto hacking lately i gues

04:25 geert; yeayea theydont need to like me

04:25 geert; but fuck they start to get some it seem

04:25 geert; haha

04:26 geert; oh welli might had better post this in #2600 but i guess it dont matter much these days

04:26 geert; in this interconnectedworld lol

04:27 geert; j/k anyways.. but i wasnt kidding about the monetary system, red/blue, politics, viertenreich/great reset, crimea etc.

04:27 geert; just a little bit sassy last few lines

04:27 geert; lets see if we get MinceR going a bit as an example

04:27 geert; anyways

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04:53 geert; gtg maybe ttyl :)

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05:52 DaemonFC; We have the Democrats in Illinois causing gridlock again by promoting heavy traffic, only with toll roads and surge pricing instead of freeways.

05:52 DaemonFC; We wouldn't need 8 lanes in every direction and the whole city breathing smog if they'd do work from home from now on.

05:53 DaemonFC; When we had the COVID lockdowns and people were working from home, there was almost no rush hour at all. They were pulling some people over for going 150 miles an hour through Chicago on the freeway just because they could.

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07:02 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

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07:02 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

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07:02 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

07:10 TR News; "LaTeX the age-old typesetting system makes me angry. Not because it's bad. To clarify, not because there's something better." https://jmtd.net/log/latex_writing/ |

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07:10 TR Bot; jmtd log Focus writing with (despite) LaTeX

07:10 TR News; "Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day15/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic

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07:10 TR Bot; Day 15: the :modal pseudo-class - Manuel Matuzovi

07:11 TR News; "What I'm documenting here is an extension of the full-bleed CSS Grid layout." https://ryanmulligan.dev/blog/layout-breakouts/ |

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07:11 TR Bot; Layout Breakouts with CSS Grid | Ryan Mulligan

07:12 TR News; "Using the shiniest new technologies is rarely the cause for success, it's usually the result." https://www.karlsutt.com/articles/you-should-not-be-using-aws/ |

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07:12 TR Bot; You should not be using AWS. Probably.

07:12 TR News; "We have a reasonable number of Linux servers, almost all of them running various versions of Ubuntu." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore | Source: uni Toronto

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07:12 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore

07:12 TR News; "Getting started with a new device management platform is a drag. You have to get familiar with the terminology and the environment." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/14/use-your-phone-as-an-iot-device-in-the-arduino-cloud/ | Source: Arduino

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07:12 TR Bot; Use your phone as an IoT device in the Arduino Cloud | Arduino Blog

07:13 TR News; "For reasons Ill discuss later, I only solved the 5-by-5 game, and the situation may be different for the 6-by-6 variant." https://nullprogram.com/blog/2022/10/12/ |

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07:13 TR Bot; I solved the Dandelions paper-and-pencil game

07:14 TR News; "Capture cards aren't cheap, especially if you want to record or stream footage at a high resolution and framerate." https://www.pcgamer.com/this-diyer-built-themselves-an-awesome-open-source-hdmi-capture-card-for-only-dollar10/ | Source: PC Gamer

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07:14 TR Bot; This DIYer built themselves an awesome open-source HDMI capture card for only $10 | PC Gamer

07:14 TR News; "And that is it. The A3010 appears to be in full working order. Now I just need to find some time to play on it!" https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/10/14/acorn-archimedes-a3010-restoration-part-4/ | Source: Andrew Hutchings

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07:14 TR Bot; Acorn Archimedes A3010: Restoration Part4 LinuxJedi's /dev/null

07:15 TR News; "You may have noticed that a Raspberry Pi is sold essentially naked." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/10-amazing-raspberry-pi-cases | Source: Raspberry Pi

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07:15 TR Bot; 10 amazing Raspberry Pi cases The MagPi magazine

07:15 TR News; "The guide is aimed at the general public and uses illustrations and examples to help make the topics understandable for all." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/galician-region-publishes-good-practices-releasing-open-source | Source: Joinup

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07:15 TR News; "Greg Linares, a security researcher, recently recounted an incident that he said occurred over the summer at a US East Coast financial firm focused on private investment." https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/12/drone-roof-attack/ | Source: The Register UK

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07:15 TR Bot; Wi-Fi spy drones used to snoop on financial firm The Register

07:16 TR News; "A year after banning most teenage girls from attending school, the Taliban are imposing sweeping restrictions on which courses women can enrol in at public universities." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63219895 | Source: BBC

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07:16 TR Bot; Afghanistan: Taliban ban women from many university subjects - BBC News

07:16 TR News; The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/the-history-of-the-internet/ | Source: The Nation

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07:16 TR Bot; The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet | The Nation

07:18 DaemonFC; WordPress Editor got extremely slow in Firefox.

07:18 DaemonFC; I wonder what it does in Vivaldi.

07:19 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress is going the wrong way

07:19 schestowitz[TR]; seems even itsfoss is moving to ghost

07:19 schestowitz[TR]; on news.itsfoss.com

07:20 schestowitz[TR]; many reach the conclusion static page generation is worth it

07:20 schestowitz[TR]; techrights might do the same late this year or next year

07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

07:20 schestowitz[TR]; editor should not be in the browser

07:20 schestowitz[TR]; there are decent editors that are editors

07:21 schestowitz[TR]; not some JS in a canvas

07:21 TR News; "Many presume that troll refers to the ugly monsters who eat people alive" https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll |

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07:21 TR Bot; Don't feed the Troll - RationalWiki

07:21 TR News; "A few observations on how technology companies can strategically use open-source from my time working on open-source at Google" https://matt-rickard.com/short-taxonomy-of-open-source-strategies | Source: Matt Rickard

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07:21 TR Bot; Short Taxonomy of Open-Source Strategies

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07:22 TR News; "On 6 October 2022, Advocate General (AG) Snchez-Bordona issued his Opinion on CJEU case C-300/21 (UI v. sterreichische Post AG), the first of several preliminary ruling requests on the topic of damages for GDPR violations pending with the CJEU." https://noyb.eu/en/analysis-no-non-material-damages-gdpr | Source: NYOB

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07:22 TR Bot; Legal Analysis: No non-material damages for GDPR violations?

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07:23 TR News; "There are many ways to separate a project into two projects" https://blog.josefsson.org/2022/10/14/on-language-bindings-relaunching-guile-gnutls/ | Source: Simon Josefsson

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07:23 TR Bot; On language bindings & Relaunching Guile-GnuTLS Simon Josefsson's blog

07:23 TR News; "Konnech has provided its PollChief software to some cities and counties across the country, including Los Angeles County." https://text.npr.org/1129172979 | Source: NPR

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07:23 TR Bot; Election software CEO is charged with allegedly giving Chinese contractors data access

07:25 TR News; "This led him to surmise that he was later cut off from LinkedIn due to a complaint from Cloudflare" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/linkedin-kicks-out-infosec-expert,-then-restores-his-profile.html | Source: IT Wire

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07:25 TR Bot; - LinkedIn kicks out Infosec expert, then restores his profile

07:26 TR News; "Misinformation Amplification Factor" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3688266-misinformation-most-amplified-on-tiktok-twitter-report/ | Source: The Hill

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07:26 TR Bot; Misinformation most amplified on TikTok, Twitter: report | The Hill

07:27 TR News; "Describing the content as AI-generated is, I think, a real stretch." https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/11/steve-jobs-ai/ | Source: 9to5Mac

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07:27 TR Bot; Steve Jobs AI features in spooky 'interview' with Joe Rogan AI

07:27 TR News; "Theres absolutely no attempt to pass this off as anything other than the latest exercise in marrying AI with voice synthesis." https://www.afr.com/technology/when-fake-steve-jobs-and-fake-joe-rogan-made-a-podcast-20221012-p5bpas | Source: AFR

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07:27 TR Bot; AI-enabled voice synthesis help fake Joe Rogan and fake Steve Jobs make a podcast

07:28 TR News; "The text of PayPal's email sent to the League of Social Democrats in September has been seen by VOA." https://www.voanews.com/a/paypal-terminates-hong-kong-account-of-pro-democracy-group/6789564.html | Source: VOA News

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07:28 TR Bot; PayPal Terminates Hong Kong Account of Pro-Democracy Group

07:28 TR News; "Media freedom activists in Uganda have decried President Yoweri Museveni's signing of the Computer Misuse Act into law" https://www.voanews.com/a/uganda-media-activists-say-computer-law-meant-to-silence-government-critics-/6790373.html | Source: VOA News

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07:28 TR Bot; Uganda Media Activists Say Computer Law Meant to Silence Government Critics

07:29 TR News; "Chinese social media censors have blocked posts, keywords, and hashtags related to the extremely rare public protest" https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-censors-anti-xi-jinping-protest-ahead-of-communist-party-meet-3433264 | Source: NDTV

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07:29 TR Bot; China Censors Anti-Xi Jinping Protest Ahead Of Communist Party Meet

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07:29 TR News; "Parliament adopted the law late on Thursday after it was proposed by President Tayyip Erdogans ruling AK Party (AKP)" https://www.arabnews.com/node/2181276/middle-east | Source: Arab News

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07:30 TR Bot; Turkish opposition calls new media law censorship, will appeal to top court | Arab News

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07:32 TR News; "After Germany closed its doors to him, Hassan took his case to the European Court of Human Rights; it, too, recently denied his appeal." https://www.frontpagemag.com/muslim-officials-deny-persecuted-christians-refuge-in-europe/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine

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07:32 TR Bot; Muslim Officials Deny Persecuted Christians Refuge in Europe | Frontpage Mag

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07:34 TR News; "Assemble Media, a literary incubator which concurrently develops its book projects for film and TV adaptation" https://variety.com/2022/film/news/assemble-media-five-book-deals-1235404205/ | Source: Variety

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07:34 TR Bot; Media Closes Deals for Five Titles - Variety

07:34 TR News; "Well this is perhaps exciting, seems Valve are cooking up something new with a trademark application for NEON PRIME." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/valve-filed-a-computer-game-software-trademark-for-neon-prime/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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07:34 TR Bot; filed a 'computer game software' trademark for 'NEON PRIME' | GamingOnLinux

07:34 TR News; "Valve released a really small update to Proton Experimental on October 13th, so here's what's new and how to use it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/proton-experimental-updated-helping-halo-infinite-and-spider-man-remastered/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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07:34 TR Bot; Experimental updated helping Halo Infinite and Spider-Man Remastered | GamingOnLinux

07:38 TR News; "Are you ready for another Sony game on Steam? The UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection arrives on October 19th, and it's been Steam Deck Verified already." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/uncharted-legacy-of-thieves-collection-gets-steam-deck-verified-ahead-of-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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07:38 TR Bot; Legacy of Thieves Collection gets Steam Deck Verified ahead of release | GamingOnLinux

07:38 TR News; "Valve has released another small Steam Deck Client Beta update to fix some lingering issues, plus they've announced a Docking Station update is on the way" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/steam-deck-client-beta-updated-plus-official-docking-station-update-coming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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07:38 TR Bot; Deck Client Beta updated, plus official Docking Station update coming | GamingOnLinux

07:38 TR News; "After playing with it for a few weeks, here's what I think along with how to set up the M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck from JSAUX." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/the-jsaux-m2-docking-station-for-steam-deck-is-a-great-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

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07:38 TR Bot; JSAUX M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck is a great choice | GamingOnLinux

07:39 TR News; iophk: EC pushing m$ gimmicks https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/event/webinar-trends-geospatial-data

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07:40 TR Bot; Webinar on 'Trends in geospatial data' | Joinup

07:40 TR News; Gulag taking over schools? Terrible. https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-partners-with-google-to-offer-job-ready-tech-skills-program/

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07:40 TR Bot; U-M partners with Google to offer job-ready tech skills program | The University Record

07:40 TR News; Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206 Source: Soylent News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206

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07:40 TR Bot; Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews

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07:48 TR News; It is proprietary, it is vendor lock-in, and it lets Microsoft spy. It ought not be promoted. https://linuxnightly.com/install-visual-studio-code-on-manjaro/

=> ↺ https://linuxnightly.com/install-visual-studio-code-on-manjaro/

07:48 TR Bot; How to Install Visual Studio Code on Manjaro - Linux Nightly

07:48 TR News; How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux https://www.linuxtechi.com/get-started-shell-scripting-linux/

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07:48 TR Bot; How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux

07:49 TR News; "I started my automation journey when I adopted Gentoo Linux as my primary operating system in 2002. Twenty years later, automation is not yet a done deal." https://opensource.com/article/22/10/kubernetes-solve-automation-challenges | Source: OpenSource.com

=> ↺ https://opensource.com/article/22/10/kubernetes-solve-automation-challenges

07:49 TR Bot; Kubernetes help solve automation challenges? | Opensource.com

07:49 TR News; code here (NEW): Games: Steam, Proton, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.gmi

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07:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam, Proton, and More

07:49 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.gmi

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07:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos

07:54 TR News; "It is often important to know how many packages are installed on your computer. You may not know it, but there are many packages installed on your computer" https://vitux.com/how-to-list-installed-packages-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Vitux

=> ↺ https://vitux.com/how-to-list-installed-packages-on-ubuntu/

07:54 TR Bot; to List Installed Packages on Ubuntu 22.04 - VITUX

07:55 TR News; "The rolling release was coasting along with some smaller snapshots earlier in the week and the latest snapshot updated an enormous amount of packages" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/14/plasma-frameworks-kernel-llvm-up-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE

=> ↺ https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/14/plasma-frameworks-kernel-llvm-up-in-tw/

07:55 TR Bot; Plasma, Frameworks, Kernel, LLVM update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News

07:56 TR News; "In this guide, we are going to learn what is TCP Wrappers" https://ostechnix.com/restrict-access-linux-servers-using-tcp-wrappers/ | Source: OSTechNix

=> ↺ https://ostechnix.com/restrict-access-linux-servers-using-tcp-wrappers/

07:56 TR Bot; Access To Linux Servers With TCP Wrappers - OSTechNix

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07:56 TR News; "The Topton FU02 is a fanless Mini PC featuring the Ryzen 3, 5, 7 mobile processors." https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos

=> ↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/

07:56 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ )

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07:57 reptilian_thrills; c# in the free software directory (since 2009) https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/WikiAccess_Library

=> ↺ https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/WikiAccess_Library

07:57 TR Bot; WikiAccess Library - Free Software Directory

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07:58 schestowitz[TR]; worse yet:

07:58 schestowitz[TR]; c#, windows only, github only

07:59 schestowitz[TR]; with ooxml aupport only

07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 68.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 64.51

07:59 reptilian_thrills; i just removed it from my fork

8 AM, October 15

08:00 schestowitz[TR]; wiki fork of fsd?

08:00 reptilian_thrills; fork of the fsd

08:00 reptilian_thrills; not wiki, cc licensed

08:00 reptilian_thrills; written in gemtext

08:01 schestowitz[TR]; if you kee a diff somewhere,

08:01 schestowitz[TR]; then you have a list of tainted parts in FSD

08:01 reptilian_thrills; yeah, so

08:01 reptilian_thrills; there are roughly 35,000 entries

08:01 reptilian_thrills; including repeats

08:01 reptilian_thrills; about 80% are either on github or belong to the coup

08:01 reptilian_thrills; my removing those, you see whats still faif

08:02 reptilian_thrills; of course ill include information about things they depend on

08:02 reptilian_thrills; the license is a free copyleft license, unlike the fdl-- so im not using the data in the fsd except the urls

08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the urls, i got thousands of webpages.

08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the thousands of webpages i got thousands of webpage titles

08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the thousands of titles i separated things by letter. harder to do that with urls.

08:04 reptilian_thrills; of course its an imperfect system, it becomes increasingly easy to maintain.

08:04 reptilian_thrills; about 7,000 entries divided by 26 letters (plus 0-9)

08:04 TR News; "On October 5, authorities arrested Amiremad (Jadi) Mirmirania blogger and one of Irans leading technologists and digital rights defenders." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/10/stop-persecution-iranian-authorities-must-immediately-release-technologists-and-0 | Source: EFF

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08:04 TR Bot; Stop the Persecution: Iranian Authorities Must Immediately Release Technologists and Digital Rights Defenders | Electronic Frontier Foundation

08:04 reptilian_thrills; i dont bother including java

08:05 schestowitz[TR]; now you sound like herr doktor sixel

08:05 schestowitz[TR]; why not java?

08:05 schestowitz[TR]; because.. float?

08:05 schestowitz[TR]; *bloat

08:06 TR News; "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is one prominent exception." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/most-dems-silent-warren-slams-fed-pushing-us-toward-painful-recession | Source: Common Dreams

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08:06 TR Bot; With Most Dems Silent, Warren Slams Fed for Pushing US Toward Painful Recession

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08:10 TR News; "At the 30-year mark, CounterPunch has veered insignificantly from its founding blueprints." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/a-year-of-milestones-for-counterpunch/ | Source: Counter Punch

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08:10 TR Bot; Year of Milestones for CounterPunch - CounterPunch.org

08:13 reptilian_thrills; i dont think it needs java

08:13 reptilian_thrills; someone can make a directory of java code that doesnt suck

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; that's not a very formal explanation

08:14 reptilian_thrills; no its not

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; java "sucks"

08:14 reptilian_thrills; i havent used a java program in like a decade

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; it's content-free name-calling

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; lots of programs that run the world use java

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; and I wrote some java also

08:14 reptilian_thrills; name one

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; lots of middleware and "enterprise" stuff

08:14 reptilian_thrills; and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd?

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; openfire

08:14 schestowitz[TR]; rssowl

08:15 reptilian_thrills; ah, enterprise stuff.

08:15 reptilian_thrills; openfire <- okay

08:15 schestowitz[TR]; JBoss Enterprise Application Platform

08:15 schestowitz[TR]; runs a TON of things

08:15 reptilian_thrills; github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire <- openfire

08:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

=> ↺ https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

08:16 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime: Openfire Server

08:16 schestowitz[TR]; Downloads 32,169,480

08:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/

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08:16 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime: Downloads

08:17 reptilian_thrills; RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8.

08:17 schestowitz[TR]; they offer the jar files from their site

08:17 schestowitz[TR]; e.g. https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloadServlet?filename=whack/whack_2_0_1.jar

=> ↺ https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloadServlet?filename=whack/whack_2_0_1.jar

08:17 reptilian_thrills; Downloads 32,169,480 <- youre missing the point, the fork doesnt list things that are developed on github.

08:17 reptilian_thrills; rssowl is on github and sf, im comparing dates now.

08:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/

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08:18 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime Community Forums

08:18 schestowitz[TR]; theya re not so shithub-dependent

08:19 reptilian_thrills; rssowl is developed on github

08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

08:20 reptilian_thrills; the only thing that gets by are mirrors (no prs)

08:20 reptilian_thrills; true mirrors

08:20 schestowitz[TR]; that typically predates microsoft

08:20 schestowitz[TR]; oh, github seems to have added lots of JS

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08:20 schestowitz[TR]; a lot off stuff does not work

08:20 schestowitz[TR]; even with JS on

08:20 schestowitz[TR]; using the 'wrong' browser

08:20 schestowitz[TR]; such as falkon

08:20 reptilian_thrills; yeah ive been lenient on projects that last updated before 2018.

08:21 schestowitz[TR]; it's becoming another gitlab

08:21 schestowitz[TR]; accessibility no-go

08:21 reptilian_thrills; RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8.

08:21 reptilian_thrills; so it says-- idk

08:22 reptilian_thrills; and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd?

08:22 schestowitz[TR]; no

08:22 reptilian_thrills; ^ if its not in the fsd then its not removed from the fork

08:22 reptilian_thrills; so its moot

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08:23 schestowitz[TR]; my siblings do a lot of java and c++

08:23 schestowitz[TR]; java is very widely used

08:23 reptilian_thrills; Red Hat JBoss Enterprise Application Platform <-

08:23 schestowitz[TR]; but if you ran some apache sites, you won't reealise that

08:23 schestowitz[TR]; or some gnu/linux desktop

08:23 schestowitz[TR]; not much java there

08:23 reptilian_thrills; so jboss is red hat?

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; yes, duh

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; they bought jboss ages ago

08:24 reptilian_thrills; why would i consider ibm free?

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; oracle does a lot of java

08:24 reptilian_thrills; ibm tanked the fsf.

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; even prior to buying sun

08:24 reptilian_thrills; they stabbed it to death like julius caesar

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; ibm is everywhere

08:24 reptilian_thrills; i dont care

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; esp. former [sic] staff

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; it's the grandpa os us computing

08:24 schestowitz[TR]; *of

08:24 reptilian_thrills; they can all go to hell

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; ibm is massive

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; the former element

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; they were like 3 times bigger than microsoft

08:25 reptilian_thrills; figures, but

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; a decade ago their market cap was also bigger than microsoft's

08:25 reptilian_thrills; its basically microsoft already owns github anyway

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; ibm triggers a lot of anger

08:25 reptilian_thrills; since microsoft is merely one of ibms avatars

08:25 schestowitz[TR]; when it threw away 2 decades of good will

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; in just 2 years

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; *goodwill

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's not the FSF

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; or GNU

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's a lot of other stuff

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; centos is one of several

08:26 reptilian_thrills; 2 decades of good will <- in just 2 years <- heres another theory

08:26 reptilian_thrills; they spent 2 decades moving the chess pieces

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's true though

08:26 reptilian_thrills; then made their move

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; they used to be on our side with opendocument

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and they were quick to adopt linus

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and hire many kernel devs

08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and give some good things to linus

08:27 reptilian_thrills; ibm read the halloween docs

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; in the late 90s onwards

08:27 reptilian_thrills; they must have implemented their own version of them

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; icbm used the community to get ahead faster

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; and it worked

08:27 reptilian_thrills; they used to be on our side <- maybe they were only infiltrating

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam, and slander us

08:27 reptilian_thrills; used the community <- bingo

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; like community is some bunch of pedos

08:27 reptilian_thrills; but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam <- giafam

08:27 schestowitz[TR]; move over, rms, we'll take it from here

08:28 reptilian_thrills; we'll take it from here <- s/it/gcc/

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; giafam could aldo be i for intel

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; not just gcc

08:28 reptilian_thrills; gdb too

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM and Microsoft are attacking GNU via 'Linux' Foundation https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Toolchain-Leaders-LF-IT

=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Toolchain-Leaders-LF-IT

08:28 TR Bot; Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix

08:28 reptilian_thrills; systemd-gnud

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/

=> http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/

08:28 TR Bot; Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) | Techrights

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; Linux Foundation is not about Linux but about proprietary software companies swallowing everything, with the brand "Linux" used as a decoy http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

=> http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

08:28 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; "Does this have any technical or logistic meaning for users or developers? Or is it just a principle thing?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1352237-gnu-toolchain-leaders-support-moving-their-infrastructure-under-the-linux-foundation

=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1352237-gnu-toolchain-leaders-support-moving-their-infrastructure-under-the-linux-foundation

08:28 reptilian_thrills; pronounced guh-nude

08:28 TR Bot; Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix Forums

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts

=> ↺ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts

08:28 TR Bot; FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

08:28 reptilian_thrills; of guh-nudie

08:28 schestowitz[TR]; Not even 12 months passed since ICBM expressed intent to buy Red Hat and as Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein scandal surfaced the attack on RMS and FSF began, led by many Red Hat staff http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/

=> http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/

08:28 TR Bot; Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights

08:29 schestowitz[TR]; "7 work for Red Hat, owned by the FSFs largest publicly known sponsor" http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/

=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/

08:29 reptilian_thrills; or

08:29 TR Bot; Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights

08:29 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM is a big pile of lies http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/

=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/

08:29 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights

08:29 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM is also racist in 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/

=> http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/

08:29 TR Bot; Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights

08:29 reptilian_thrills; gcc is the most important thing

08:29 reptilian_thrills; what are you going to compile gnu with

08:29 reptilian_thrills; clang?

08:29 reptilian_thrills; ibm wants gcc

08:30 reptilian_thrills; and the gnu.fools are in on that

08:30 reptilian_thrills; ibm.fools

08:30 reptilian_thrills; giant nazi undermining

08:31 reptilian_thrills; the gnu.fools had a whole list of alternative gnu acronyms

08:31 reptilian_thrills; oliva had a list of parodies

08:31 reptilian_thrills; of their list

08:31 reptilian_thrills; gnus now underminer

08:31 reptilian_thrills; undermined

08:32 reptilian_thrills; name an important java program that isnt github based

08:32 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, was distracted in another channel

08:33 schestowitz[TR]; jboss

08:33 reptilian_thrills; jboss is on github

08:33 schestowitz[TR]; primary repo?

08:33 reptilian_thrills; idk where the "official" repo is

08:33 schestowitz[TR]; doubt it

08:33 reptilian_thrills; im checking

08:33 schestowitz[TR]; jboss predates github

08:33 TR News; (NEW): This week in KDE: QA pays off http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.gmi

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08:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines This week in KDE: QA pays off

08:33 reptilian_thrills; doesnt mention mirrors https://github.com/jboss/

=> ↺ https://github.com/jboss/

08:33 TR Bot; GitHub

08:33 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi

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08:34 reptilian_thrills; jboss predates github <- so does python and php, which moved there

08:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers

08:34 reptilian_thrills; so do java and perl, which moved there

08:34 reptilian_thrills; all of which are more important than jboss imo

08:34 reptilian_thrills; the world would be okay without ibm

08:34 reptilian_thrills; if anything it would be better off

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08:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/downloads

=> ↺ https://www.php.net/downloads

08:35 TR Bot; PHP: Downloads

08:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/releases/

=> ↺ https://www.php.net/releases/

08:35 TR Bot; PHP: Releases

08:35 reptilian_thrills; downloads are not where things are developed

08:36 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/manual/en/

=> ↺ https://www.php.net/manual/en/

08:36 TR Bot; PHP: PHP Manual - Manual

08:36 reptilian_thrills; the problem is that microsoft has a monopoly on development

08:36 reptilian_thrills; https://www.php.net/manual/en/ <- /me tries to run the manual, sets it to +x

=> ↺ https://www.php.net/manual/en/

08:37 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%253A//www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/health/flu-season-concern/index.html

=> ↺ https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%253A//www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/health/flu-season-concern/index.html

08:37 TR Bot; Gemini Portal

08:37 reptilian_thrills; https://www.php.net/ Please carefully test this version and report any issues found in the bug reporting system. <- points to https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

=> ↺ https://www.php.net/
=> ↺ https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

08:37 TR Bot; PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor

08:37 TR Bot; php/php-src GitHub

08:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81727

=> ↺ https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81727

08:37 TR Bot; PHP :: Sec Bug #81727 :: $_COOKIE names string replacement (. -> _): cookie integrity vulnerabilities

08:37 DaemonFC; LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML.

08:37 schestowitz[TR]; http://bugs.php.net/81727

=> ↺ http://bugs.php.net/81727

08:37 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, biab

08:38 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/php/php-src/pulls <- 239 Open 8,546 Closed

=> ↺ https://github.com/php/php-src/pulls

08:38 TR Bot; requests php/php-src GitHub

08:38 reptilian_thrills; anyway, biab <- in other words youve got nothing

08:38 reptilian_thrills; i mean for all i know you have a conference call, but its invariably your response when someone has an endless supply of answers and you dont

08:39 reptilian_thrills; i didnt come here to win, but to disseminate anyway

08:39 reptilian_thrills; i dont give a shit about winning

08:39 reptilian_thrills; the house wins, because it makes the rules

08:39 reptilian_thrills; but the rules are silly

08:39 schestowitz[TR]; don't want to get intoa afight with you

08:39 schestowitz[TR]; but many projects have internal fights

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; iunc. kernel

08:40 reptilian_thrills; microsoft lf kernel

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; 2 weeks ago linus fought over mailing lists vs bugzilla

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; the same is true in pythhon and apache

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; the compromise is usually "both supported"

08:40 reptilian_thrills; wheres the fight over github?

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; so they have internal and external/ outsourced tracking

08:40 reptilian_thrills; the compromise is usually "both supported" <- which pretty much inevitably means it moves to github

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; so people who don't use microsoft can still contribute

08:40 schestowitz[TR]; bbl

08:40 reptilian_thrills; yeah they can be second-class citizens

08:41 reptilian_thrills; bbl <- have fun

08:41 reptilian_thrills; they can be second-class citizens <- they wont have any idea whats happening to the project, but theyll be allowed to send patches

08:41 TR News;

08:41 reptilian_thrills; "both supported" <- divide and conquer

08:41 TR News; Microsoft systemd, not "Ubuntu" https://thestack.technology/azure-kubernetes-outage-ubuntu-dns/

=> ↺ https://thestack.technology/azure-kubernetes-outage-ubuntu-dns/

08:41 TR Bot; Bad Ubuntu update causes global Azure Kubernetes outage

08:42 reptilian_thrills; no one ever got fired for moving to microsoft github

08:42 reptilian_thrills; and i didnt migrate to free software just so ibm and microsoft could have a monopoly on it

08:45 TR News; Nazification https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-nazification-of-american-society-and-the-scourge-of-violence/ | Source: Counter Punch

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-nazification-of-american-society-and-the-scourge-of-violence/

08:45 TR Bot; Nazification of American Society and the Scourge of Violence - CounterPunch.org

08:45 reptilian_thrills; but gcc is a keystone

08:45 reptilian_thrills; ibm goes after that they know the rest falls

08:45 TR News; Criminalizing Journalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/criminalizing-journalism/ | Source: Counter Punch

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/criminalizing-journalism/

08:45 TR Bot; Journalism - CounterPunch.org

08:45 reptilian_thrills; what are you going to compile gnu with? ibm gcc

08:46 TR News; Asa Winstanley https://thedissenter.org/unauthorized-disclosure-asa-winstanley/ | Source: The Dissenter

=> ↺ https://thedissenter.org/unauthorized-disclosure-asa-winstanley/

08:46 TR Bot; Unauthorized Disclosure: Guest Asa Winstanley

08:46 reptilian_thrills; watch them move it to github and use a cla

08:46 TR News; "Going back many, many years, weve argued that paywalls are not a particularly sustainable model for most journalism enterprises." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/chicago-sun-times-kills-its-paywall-makes-its-content-free-for-everyone/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/chicago-sun-times-kills-its-paywall-makes-its-content-free-for-everyone/

08:46 TR Bot; Sun-Times Kills Its Paywall; Makes Its Content Free For Everyone | Techdirt

08:46 reptilian_thrills; gnu will resist, it wont matter

08:46 TR News; Publisher Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/publisher-wiley-lets-libraries-offer-etextbooks-again-but-only-for-nine-months/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/publisher-wiley-lets-libraries-offer-etextbooks-again-but-only-for-nine-months/

08:46 TR Bot; Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months | Techdirt

08:47 reptilian_thrills; ibm already literally owns the gcc repo

08:47 reptilian_thrills; gnu.fools will dilute the trademark so they can do what they want with that

08:47 TR News; SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/john-stossel-loses-his-pathetic-slapp-suit-against-facebook-and-fact-checkers/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/john-stossel-loses-his-pathetic-slapp-suit-against-facebook-and-fact-checkers/

08:47 TR Bot; Stossel Loses His Pathetic SLAPP Suit Against Facebook And Fact Checkers | Techdirt

08:48 reptilian_thrills; they have like 3 or more different hooks in gcc already

08:48 reptilian_thrills; all they have to do is pull

08:48 reptilian_thrills; slowly reel it in

08:48 reptilian_thrills; already happening

08:48 TR News; Sanders on monopolies. Bailout Biden won't do anything, he openly mocked Sanders to signal his blind loyalty to the plutocrats. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/sanders-says-biden-admin-must-reject-merger-kroger-and-albertsons | Source: Common Dreams

=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/sanders-says-biden-admin-must-reject-merger-kroger-and-albertsons

08:48 TR Bot; Sanders Says Biden Admin 'Must Reject' Merger of Kroger and Albertsons

08:49 reptilian_thrills; fsf has their thumb in their arse

08:49 reptilian_thrills; scam artists

08:49 reptilian_thrills; free sweatshop foundation

08:49 TR News; "Thursdays final hearing of the January 6 committee is a segue to the criminal case that federal prosecutors are piecing together" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/14/criminal-case-against-donald-j-trump-has-been-established-will-garland-act | Source: Common Dreams

=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/14/criminal-case-against-donald-j-trump-has-been-established-will-garland-act

08:49 TR Bot; Opinion | The Criminal Case Against Donald J. Trump Has Been Established, But Will the Garland Act? | Robert Reich

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08:49 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.gmi

=> ↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.shtml
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.gmi

08:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino

08:49 reptilian_thrills; work for ibm for free! give us money to promote the open source scam (but call it "free software")

08:50 reptilian_thrills; buy a tshirt so ibm can exploit free labour

08:51 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts

=> ↺ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts

08:51 TR Bot; FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

08:51 schestowitz[TR]; post-trauma

08:52 reptilian_thrills; oh cmon

08:52 TR News; "Were sharing the fourth evaluation report on projects in our Gender Balance in Computing research programme today" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gender-balance-in-computing-sense-of-belonging/ | Source: Raspberry Pi

=> ↺ https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gender-balance-in-computing-sense-of-belonging/

08:52 TR Bot; Girls' sense of belonging in the Computing classroom: Study results - Raspberry Pi

08:52 reptilian_thrills; rms maybe-- all of them?

08:52 reptilian_thrills; ridiculous

08:52 reptilian_thrills; "sorry ukraine, the entire army has ptsd"

08:52 reptilian_thrills; what are the odds

08:53 TR News; FBI https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/hundreds-of-fbi-employees-are-simply-walking-away-from-misconduct-charges/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/hundreds-of-fbi-employees-are-simply-walking-away-from-misconduct-charges/

08:53 TR Bot; Of FBI Employees Are Simply Walking Away From Misconduct Charges | Techdirt

08:53 TR News; "The Los Angeles Sheriffs Department has been problematic pretty much ever since its inception." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-goes-completely-rogue-blocks-inspector-generals-access-to-files-facilities/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-goes-completely-rogue-blocks-inspector-generals-access-to-files-facilities/

08:53 TR Bot; Angeles Sheriffs Department Goes Completely Rogue, Blocks Inspector Generals Access To Files, Facilities | Techdirt

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08:54 schestowitz[TR]; rms is the chief

08:54 reptilian_thrills; i suppose post-trauma is why in early 2022 they were caving to demands johnua gay talked about the same week

08:54 schestowitz[TR]; demoralised chief, deemoralised operations

08:54 reptilian_thrills; rms is the chief <- not since 2011/2014

08:54 schestowitz[TR]; he is still the echief

08:54 reptilian_thrills; he lets duix run the show now

08:54 schestowitz[TR]; directly and indirectly

08:54 reptilian_thrills; in name only

08:54 schestowitz[TR]; so who is the chief then?

08:55 schestowitz[TR]; tell me

08:55 DaemonFC; The January 6th committee is going to accomplish basically, a hell of a lot of nothing.

08:56 DaemonFC; Joe Biden has done such an awful job as president that it's all anyone cares about right now.

08:56 TR News; Seattle Times, which took bribes from Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/13/seattle-times-brands-complain-over-senate-campaign-ad-that-is-clearly-protected-speech/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/13/seattle-times-brands-complain-over-senate-campaign-ad-that-is-clearly-protected-speech/

08:56 TR Bot; Times, Brands Complain Over Senate Campaign Ad That Is Clearly Protected Speech | Techdirt

08:56 DaemonFC; Every day he figures out something to make it even worse.

08:56 TR News; Masnick's site, after bagging Koch money, still an apologist for US monopolists at times. Very disappointing. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/in-eu-and-us-big-telecom-desperately-wants-big-tech-to-pay-it-billions-of-dollars-for-no-coherent-reason/ | Source: Techdirt

=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/in-eu-and-us-big-telecom-desperately-wants-big-tech-to-pay-it-billions-of-dollars-for-no-coherent-reason/

08:56 TR Bot; EU And US, Big Telecom Desperately Wants Big Tech To Pay It Billions Of Dollars For No Coherent Reason | Techdirt

08:58 reptilian_thrills; so who is the chief then? <- there isnt one

08:58 reptilian_thrills; its not that i dont think rms has the right

08:59 TR News; Wealth Tax https://truthout.org/articles/a-wealth-tax-on-the-0-25-percent-could-fund-bidens-entire-student-debt-plan/ | Source: TruthOut

=> ↺ https://truthout.org/articles/a-wealth-tax-on-the-0-25-percent-could-fund-bidens-entire-student-debt-plan/

08:59 TR Bot; A Wealth Tax on the 0.25 Percent Could Fund Bidens Entire Student Debt Plan

08:59 reptilian_thrills; its that 1. he doesnt use his authority 2. they clearly do not recognise it

08:59 reptilian_thrills; i cant do anything about either of those

08:59 reptilian_thrills; but im not going to pretend hes in power, he clearly is not

9 AM, October 15

09:00 reptilian_thrills; duix runs gnu

09:00 TR News; Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier https://truthout.org/articles/most-americans-back-reforms-to-make-voting-easier-poll-shows/ | Source: TruthOut

=> ↺ https://truthout.org/articles/most-americans-back-reforms-to-make-voting-easier-poll-shows/

09:00 TR Bot; Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier, Poll Shows

09:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 128.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 35.36

09:00 reptilian_thrills; you may not see it, thats not my problem

09:00 schestowitz[TR]; duix?

09:00 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights

09:00 reptilian_thrills; its not pronounced "deex"

09:01 reptilian_thrills; this is a whole lot easier than "mac asay"

09:01 reptilian_thrills; i knew of matt asay before that started

09:01 reptilian_thrills; and i still wasnt sure you meant him

09:01 reptilian_thrills; or what he had to do with macs

09:02 TR News; Marijuana: Biden's election strategy is, vote Dems because "smoke weed every day" (while the country collapses) https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/bidens-marijuana-pardons-are-a-seismic-shift/ | Source: Counter Punch

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/bidens-marijuana-pardons-are-a-seismic-shift/

09:02 TR Bot; Marijuana Pardons are a Seismic Shift - CounterPunch.org

09:05 TR News; "And the storyline for The US and the Holocaust can be succinctly summed up this way..." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/259488/ | Source: Counter Punch http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/259488/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/

09:05 TR Bot; the People Did Next To Nothing - CounterPunch.org

09:05 TR Bot; Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights

09:05 TR News; Can the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/can-the-fed-control-inflation-with-just-rate-hikes/ | Source: Counter Punch

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/can-the-fed-control-inflation-with-just-rate-hikes/

09:05 TR Bot; the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? - CounterPunch.org

09:05 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> so who is the chief then <- who is the chief of the beothuk indians?

09:06 reptilian_thrills; fun fact, the fsf had (may even still have) more members than the beothuk tribe had

09:06 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/

=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/

09:06 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET

09:06 schestowitz[TR]; SJVN

09:06 schestowitz[TR]; anti-FSF

09:06 schestowitz[TR]; paid by LF

09:06 reptilian_thrills; fsf is anti-fsf

09:06 schestowitz[TR]; LF is helping the coup

09:07 reptilian_thrills; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new?

=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/

09:07 reptilian_thrills; LF is helping the coup <- lf is open source

09:07 reptilian_thrills; open source is the bloody coup

09:07 reptilian_thrills; The Coup is part of the coup

09:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman

=> ↺ https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman

09:07 schestowitz[TR]; "We decided to bring RMS back because we missed his wisdom. His historical, legal and technical acumen on free software is unrivaled. He has a deep sensitivity to the ways that technologies can contribute to both the enhancement and the diminution of basic human rights. His global network of connections is invaluable. He remains the most articulate philosopher and an unquestionably dedicated advocate of freedom in computing.

09:07 TR Bot; Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

09:07 schestowitz[TR]; "

09:07 reptilian_thrills; the coup is open source

09:07 schestowitz[TR]; RMS is in charge

09:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://octave.discourse.group/t/rms-back-on-the-fsf-board/974

=> ↺ https://octave.discourse.group/t/rms-back-on-the-fsf-board/974

09:07 reptilian_thrills; RMS is in charge <- of what

09:07 TR Bot; RMS back on the FSF board - community - GNU Octave

09:08 reptilian_thrills; on-the-fsf-board <- i believe mjg can still vote on the board

09:08 reptilian_thrills; this is what i thought i heard, i could be mistaken

09:08 schestowitz[TR]; no

09:08 schestowitz[TR]; coup plotters ousted

09:08 reptilian_thrills; ive been trying to

09:08 schestowitz[TR]; and walsh left

09:08 reptilian_thrills; "ousted"

09:08 schestowitz[TR]; i know someone who wet her [sic]

09:08 reptilian_thrills; ive been trying to figure out the "hidden board" for years

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; mattl is out

09:09 reptilian_thrills; i know someone who wet her <- wet-ever

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; many who plotted to remove the founder

09:09 reptilian_thrills; many who plotted to remove the founder <- still getting their wishlist checked off in 2022

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; now she is in CC

09:09 reptilian_thrills; she was already in cc

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; which is part of the coup

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; along with total weirdoes

09:09 reptilian_thrills; yes, cc is part of the coup

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; who also attack SF

09:09 schestowitz[TR]; CC turned its back on its inception

09:09 reptilian_thrills; along with total weirdoes <- not sure which groups youre being prudish about here

09:10 reptilian_thrills; CC turned its back on its inception <- cc has been pretty useless most of its existence, like osi.

09:10 schestowitz[TR]; and is not just sitting there doing notjing

09:10 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like eff and mozilla

09:10 reptilian_thrills; eff mozilla.

09:10 schestowitz[TR]; pandering to oligarchs is no recipe for success

09:10 reptilian_thrills; eff eff too

09:10 schestowitz[TR]; they just use you temporarily and toss you away

09:10 reptilian_thrills; is no recipe for success <- oh it is, unless your real job is to fight the status quo

09:10 reptilian_thrills; they just use you temporarily and toss you away <- yep

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; like spamnil

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; when tfir was still muktware

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; or themusk

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; themut

09:11 reptilian_thrills; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new?

=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/

09:11 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; he did get some traffic

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; not it's like 95% clickfraud

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; and pretending

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; and many people loathe him

09:11 reptilian_thrills; i disliked sjvn when you were still defending him

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; i saw jim salter at ars

09:11 schestowitz[TR]; he too sort of attacked rms

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; for conde nast

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; which employed "drpizza"

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; the penetration tester of microsoft

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; jim salter was discarded too

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; btw

09:12 reptilian_thrills; rofll

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://arstechnica.com/author/jimsalter/

=> ↺ https://arstechnica.com/author/jimsalter/

09:12 TR Bot; Jim Salter | Ars Technica

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; no article in 12 months

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; they must have canned him

09:12 reptilian_thrills; only one Salt in the anti-rms letter fwiw

09:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he did not lie enoughj

09:12 reptilian_thrills; maybe he was busy when they were passing it around

09:13 schestowitz[TR]; last article 11/11 last year

09:13 schestowitz[TR]; "JIM SALTER /

09:13 schestowitz[TR]; FORMER TECHNOLOGY REPORTER"

09:13 schestowitz[TR]; FORMER

09:13 schestowitz[TR]; he did not last long

09:13 reptilian_thrills; the beothuk indians dont have a chief because they no longer exist

09:13 reptilian_thrills; no tribe, no chief

09:14 reptilian_thrills; if the gnu project is fighting they are VERY stealthy

09:14 reptilian_thrills; practically invisible

09:14 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I was never a voting member in that sense

09:14 reptilian_thrills; mjg59_ ah, ok

09:14 mjg59_; Leaving did not result in me having any voting rights

09:15 reptilian_thrills; there does seem to be a hidden board though

09:15 reptilian_thrills; so many people who were there who can vote

09:15 reptilian_thrills; but idk much about it

09:15 reptilian_thrills; its entirely possible ive been misled, im not sure how id go about fixing that

09:15 reptilian_thrills; plus if it was deliberate thats a hoot because it opens up so many new possibilities :)

09:15 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D729.jpg

=> ↺ gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D729.jpg

09:16 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D384.jpg

=> ↺ gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D384.jpg

09:16 TR News; "I love Smol Pub, I really do; it's simple and clean and friendly and has great users. But over time I've decided I'd rather just keep my gemlog on my capsule. So I'm moving over there." gemini://november.smol.pub/moving

=> ↺ gemini://november.smol.pub/moving

09:16 reptilian_thrills; but honestly getting a handle on wtf the fsf doing is like trying to grasp a fart

09:17 TR News; "social media improvement ideas" gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi

=> ↺ gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi

09:17 reptilian_thrills; its a power vacuum dressed up as an organisation

09:17 reptilian_thrills; much like iraq was after saddam was captured

09:18 TR News; How I became a Contemplative Hacker gemini://khanti.smol.pub/how-i-became

=> ↺ gemini://khanti.smol.pub/how-i-became

09:18 reptilian_thrills; dressed up as a country

09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

09:20 TR News; crypto [sic] currency [sic] https://fair.org/home/ahmad-abuznaid-on-israeli-human-rights-crackdown-sohale-mortazavi-on-cryptocurrency/ | Source: FAIR

=> ↺ https://fair.org/home/ahmad-abuznaid-on-israeli-human-rights-crackdown-sohale-mortazavi-on-cryptocurrency/

09:20 TR Bot; Ahmad Abuznaid on Israeli Human Rights Crackdown, Sohale Mortazavi on Cryptocurrency - FAIR

09:21 TR News; "Janine Jackson interviewed Jacobins John Logan about Amazon and Starbucks organizing for the October 7, 2022, episode of CounterSpin." https://fair.org/home/people-are-taking-inspiration-from-union-victories-at-amazon-and-starbucks/ | Source: FAIR

=> ↺ https://fair.org/home/people-are-taking-inspiration-from-union-victories-at-amazon-and-starbucks/

09:21 TR Bot; 'People Are Taking Inspiration From Union Victories at Amazon andStarbucks' - FAIR

09:21 reptilian_thrills; true good news never comes out of there anymore

09:22 reptilian_thrills; just marketing and rule changes which imo are negative on the whole

09:23 reptilian_thrills; their anti-whistleblower policy isnt a cure, its a symptom

09:24 reptilian_thrills; well, i tried not to give zdnet any clicks but i guess if i want to know, i have little choice

09:30 reptilian_thrills; "Some board members, besides Knauth, are planning to leave the FSF board." <- that certainly dates it a bit

09:31 reptilian_thrills; The GNU Project itself, while still organizationally tied to the FSF, is no longer largely financially supported by the FSF. Instead, its work is "done mainly by volunteers and the Foundation mostly promotes free/libre software in other ways. The GCC Steering Committee has removed RMS from its membership.

09:31 reptilian_thrills; ibm gcc

09:31 reptilian_thrills; and ibm.fools

09:32 reptilian_thrills; the FSF also noted that the charity rating organization Charity Navigator recently gave the FSF its eighth consecutive four-star rating <- meaningless imo

09:32 reptilian_thrills; the rating is based on how they spend their money

09:32 reptilian_thrills; not where it comes from

09:32 reptilian_thrills; as long as they spend it on free software theyre going to have a good rating

09:33 reptilian_thrills; so no buying a big table covered in cocaine, not that they had any plans to

09:33 reptilian_thrills; ive seen large orgs buy luxurious offices for their leaders etc

09:33 reptilian_thrills; they cant live there but they can live it up while theyre at work

09:34 reptilian_thrills; fsf doesnt do that, so they get a good rating

09:34 reptilian_thrills; meanwhile they get taken over by ibm, and it doesnt change the rating

09:35 reptilian_thrills; charity navigator just goes in circles

09:35 reptilian_thrills; chasting its tail

09:35 reptilian_thrills; or chasing. or cheating. or typing, or something

09:36 reptilian_thrills; As for Stallman? He's remained quiet since rejoining the FSF board. <- thats true

09:36 reptilian_thrills; How long he'll continue to keep a low profile remains to be seen. <- permanently

09:37 reptilian_thrills; sjvn should kill himself

09:37 DaemonFC; My kosher dills are coming along nicely.

09:37 reptilian_thrills; hes that good of a journalist

09:38 reptilian_thrills; i suppose if he were a doctor people would find organs he kept as souveneirs

09:39 reptilian_thrills; if he were a chef he would be the sort that urinates in the food (taken from a new story)

09:39 reptilian_thrills; if he knew anything about computers, he would work for ibm.

09:39 reptilian_thrills; who are we kidding, he does work for ibm.

09:40 reptilian_thrills; Openfire (previously known as Wildfire, and Jive Messenger) is an instant messaging (IM) and groupchat server for the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) <- oh great

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09:40 reptilian_thrills; so eventually theyll do to xmpp what the industry did to html

09:41 reptilian_thrills; The project lead is Dave Cridland.

09:42 TR News; "She's the decisive vote we need to close the digital divide, lower the cost of broadband, and hold companies like Comcast and AT&T accountable." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/240-groups-push-senate-defy-telecom-attacks-and-confirm-biden-fcc-pick | Source: Common Dreams

=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/240-groups-push-senate-defy-telecom-attacks-and-confirm-biden-fcc-pick

09:42 TR Bot; 240+ Groups Push Senate to Defy Telecom Attacks and Confirm Biden FCC Pick

09:43 reptilian_thrills; anyway, removing java is an experiment

09:44 reptilian_thrills; its not like java couldnt simply be put back in

09:44 reptilian_thrills; not that i have any intention of doing so

09:44 reptilian_thrills; im tempted to remove perl and python, but that raises an important question

09:44 reptilian_thrills; if i remove those, what would be left?

09:44 reptilian_thrills; just shell scripts?

09:44 schestowitz[TR]; right

09:45 schestowitz[TR]; but that reminded me of herr sixel

09:45 reptilian_thrills; well, he actually helped inspire this fork

09:45 schestowitz[TR]; where criteria are informal

09:45 schestowitz[TR]; and based on ggut feelings

09:45 reptilian_thrills; its mostly based on strict criteria

09:45 schestowitz[TR]; you might end up with a bsd-based alpine

09:45 reptilian_thrills; he went overboard on gut feelings

09:46 reptilian_thrills; you might end up with a bsd-based alpine <- i can think of worse things.

09:46 reptilian_thrills; dr sixel is nuts and is trying to build with software what hitler wanted to build with politics and war

09:47 reptilian_thrills; but id be thrilled if baph os becomes really great software

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09:47 reptilian_thrills; even though he will never release any of it

09:48 reptilian_thrills; its a pure rhetorical device for him. this project actually does more than that

09:48 reptilian_thrills; granted-- not a lot!

09:48 reptilian_thrills; i had a gihub radar and nothing moved off github

09:48 reptilian_thrills; then i build a more elaborate radar from the gnu project

09:49 reptilian_thrills; this is just a radar scaled up from hundreds to tens of thousands

09:49 schestowitz[TR]; that radar is still there

09:49 reptilian_thrills; mostly it lets me watch github

09:49 reptilian_thrills; that radar is still there <- obsolete

09:49 reptilian_thrills; mine is better

09:49 schestowitz[TR]; the way I see the issue is like this

09:49 schestowitz[TR]; each day we have x new projects

09:49 schestowitz[TR]; and we have y existing projects

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; i spent hours in vain,

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; trying tio find ANY journalism on git market share

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; or change control systemd in general

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; in vain!

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; let's say y stays as is

09:50 reptilian_thrills; mmhmm

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; and among y, many are abandoned

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; no development anymore

09:50 schestowitz[TR]; so we need to jusge x

09:51 schestowitz[TR]; but nobody does the work

09:51 schestowitz[TR]; no journalism

09:51 reptilian_thrills; journalists are shills

09:51 schestowitz[TR]; yes, they are now

09:51 schestowitz[TR]; like sjvn

09:51 schestowitz[TR]; he used to do very good work

09:51 reptilian_thrills; meh

09:51 reptilian_thrills; he worked for open source always

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; to be fair to mjg59_ I greatly respected his work on cpi

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; and how he lashed out at companis that stood in his way

09:52 reptilian_thrills; i dont know his work on cpi

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; *aacpi

09:52 reptilian_thrills; oh acpi

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; back then many laptops stiill had issues

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; to the point where I rejected laptopsa

09:52 schestowitz[TR]; and chose desktops

09:52 reptilian_thrills; i dont know what im talking about here, thats as good a disclaimer as any

09:53 reptilian_thrills; but based on shuttleworths description of acpi

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; thre was a site,

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; linuxlaptops iirc

09:53 reptilian_thrills; his work on acpi and his work on uefi arent that different

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; or linux on laptops

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; with howtos to help get them working

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; nowadaysd almost any laptop picks up a gnu/linux diustro ok

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; inc. wifi

09:53 reptilian_thrills; (for better or worse) <- and for consistency it should be said for worse

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; no, they are different

09:53 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds too was ok with acpi

09:54 schestowitz[TR]; not 'secure boot'

09:54 reptilian_thrills; torvalds is useless

09:54 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft'\s LP openly mocked ;'secure boot'

09:54 schestowitz[TR]; you quopted him

09:54 schestowitz[TR]; and I hadn't noticed before you did so

09:54 reptilian_thrills; i take mjg more seriously than torvalds

09:54 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds gave a talk a few weeks back

09:55 reptilian_thrills; ill listen to mjgs opinions-- i dont trust him, ill generally take ariadne or leah over anything he says

09:55 schestowitz[TR]; he changes his positions tro suit the employer

09:55 reptilian_thrills; if torvalds tries to tell me anything (he wont) ill just tell him to go the fuck home

09:55 reptilian_thrills; his opinions are meaningless

09:56 reptilian_thrills; hes a puppet at this point, ill ask him which laundry soap to use sure

09:57 reptilian_thrills; i dont even care what he thinks about git

09:57 reptilian_thrills; i dont care about git at all

09:57 schestowitz[TR]; git will be passe

09:57 schestowitz[TR]; but not sure when

09:57 schestowitz[TR]; and what will replace it

09:57 reptilian_thrills; network effects

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; seems gitlab and github both do damage

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; they 'extend' git

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; and then people start to associate git with bloated web uis

09:58 reptilian_thrills; theyre silos

09:58 reptilian_thrills; theyre doing to git what facebook did to websites

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; right

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; good analogy

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress does the same

09:58 reptilian_thrills; yeah, fucking wordpress

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress even uses some FB crap

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; like ractJS iirc

09:58 schestowitz[TR]; *react.js

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; this was mentioned earlier in the context of editors

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; I have many good editors

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; I don't need some JS shit running ina canvass

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's heavy, not secure, not reliable

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; easy to lose your work

09:59 schestowitz[TR]; last year rianne and I passed all our text ediing to an external file server

10 AM, October 15

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; harder to lose data this way

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; and there are 3 layers of failsafe

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; on the web, none

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; browser crashes, work lost

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; if wordpress did auto-save, maybe

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; but that led to other issues

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; like the other month I overrode a previous post of mine

10:00 schestowitz[TR]; after machine crash

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress added the version control and auto0-save fuctnionality when I was still involved in the project

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; but that causes other issues

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; like in techrights,

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; we have about 34k posts

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; but the db holds about 170k posts

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; because of versions

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; so backup dumps become a lot bigger

10:01 schestowitz[TR]; I can remove those "drafts"

10:02 schestowitz[TR]; but I want drafts

10:02 schestowitz[TR]; just noit inm a fucking database!!!

10:02 reptilian_thrills; sure, why not

10:02 schestowitz[TR]; and not one that every 24 hours gets dumped in full

10:02 schestowitz[TR]; causing temporary site access issues

10:02 schestowitz[TR]; due to the database locking up for data integrity

10:03 schestowitz[TR]; the term for this is "over-engineering"

10:03 reptilian_thrills; yep

10:03 reptilian_thrills; phbs loves it

10:03 schestowitz[TR]; they don't get it

10:03 reptilian_thrills; they get to brag how x as y and z

10:03 schestowitz[TR]; they want to keep people "busy"

10:03 schestowitz[TR]; so they keep "improving" things that already work

10:04 reptilian_thrills; and then x, which is needed, becomes the red-headed stepchild to shiny unnecessary bullsht

10:04 reptilian_thrills; yep

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; it's why many sites get so bloated

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; and have new bugs

10:04 reptilian_thrills; software too

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; sites are software

10:04 reptilian_thrills; yep

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; they used to be not software

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; but now they are code

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10:04 reptilian_thrills; but they get bloated faster

10:04 schestowitz[TR]; red hat sites are increasingly a pile of JS

10:05 schestowitz[TR]; and they deny you access

10:05 schestowitz[TR]; even if you run the JS using the 'wrong' browser

10:05 schestowitz[TR]; LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML.

10:05 schestowitz[TR]; 1.32MB

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10:06 reptilian_thrills; yeah once you start mediating, youll start deciding which browsers are worth your time to support

10:06 schestowitz[TR]; I could upload a 10,000x10,000 pixel JPEG at 1.32MB

10:06 schestowitz[TR]; with coarse wavelets

10:06 schestowitz[TR]; or 123 small but decent webp photos

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday I advocated falkon again

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; dfc does not use it maybe because ./... qt

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; he seems to go for the gnome things

10:07 reptilian_thrills; youre out of your falkon mind

10:07 reptilian_thrills; ^ had to be said

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; I've used it since the start

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; when it was "rekonq"

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; more than ten years ago

10:07 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, dfc recommended it to me

10:08 reptilian_thrills; heh

10:08 reptilian_thrills; hes obviously moved on

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; because I used an unmaintained predecessor

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; oh, wait

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; konqueror (still around

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; rekonq

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; qupzilla

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; falkon

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; and the last is mostly maintained by one person

10:08 schestowitz[TR]; who started it as an experiment of sorts

10:09 TR News; Teachers and parents united in demanding changes https://telex.hu/english/2022/10/14/teachers-and-parents-united-to-demand-changes-in-education | Source: Telex (Hungary)

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10:09 TR Bot; Telex: Teachers and parents united in demanding changes in education

10:09 schestowitz[TR]; they want to TEACH

10:09 schestowitz[TR]; that's a threat to fideath, MinceR

10:09 schestowitz[TR]; like real education in the US

10:10 schestowitz[TR]; not sure it happens herew

10:10 schestowitz[TR]; maybe it does, but I've not noticed

10:10 reptilian_thrills; like real education in the US <- not a very big threat

10:10 schestowitz[TR]; for 2 decades they said gcqhe levels and standards were lowered

10:11 schestowitz[TR]; I need to see a 2022 CS syllabus

10:11 schestowitz[TR]; surely I can find onje online

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; if they have courses on "clown", then we're f*ed

10:12 reptilian_thrills; the clown has already taken over

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; no

10:12 reptilian_thrills; they dont have to teach clown, they teach github

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; it was there all along

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; :-)

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; not sure they teach that

10:12 reptilian_thrills; gitclown

10:12 reptilian_thrills; clownhub

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe some worse colleges do

10:12 schestowitz[TR]; need to check

10:12 reptilian_thrills; oh they teach github

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; which uni?

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; I'm checking now

10:13 reptilian_thrills; its not a course, its a material.

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; on my disks I have copies of the 2000 and later syllabi

10:13 reptilian_thrills; they teach github in the courses

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; inc. lecture notes

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; yes, but who is the they?

10:13 schestowitz[TR]; mit?

10:14 reptilian_thrills; it happens informally

10:14 schestowitz[TR]; wentworth?

10:14 reptilian_thrills; youll see

10:14 reptilian_thrills; im sure youll find it all over the place

10:14 reptilian_thrills; i feel pretty confident i could walk into just about any uni right now

10:14 reptilian_thrills; find them using github in courses

10:14 schestowitz[TR]; https://studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/syllabus.php

=> ↺ https://studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/syllabus.php

10:14 schestowitz[TR]; php

10:14 schestowitz[TR]; good

10:14 TR Bot; Current UG Study & Curriculum (School of Computer Science - The University of Manchester)

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; looks good

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; the titles at least

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; they teach the concepts

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; ""Introduction to AI

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; followed by "Machine Learning"

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; They used to have just "Machine Learning"

10:15 schestowitz[TR]; they had to add "HEY HI"

10:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Knowledge-based AI"

10:16 schestowitz[TR]; HEY HI!!!

10:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Introduction to Visual Computing"

10:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://my.manchester.ac.uk/uPortal/p/course-unit-info.ctf1/max/render.uP?pP_action=viewCUDetails&pP_location=/CourseUnitPublishing/CourseUnitDataFiles/COMP/001893COMP271122022-08-161V12.xml

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10:17 schestowitz[TR]; for manchester css the syllabus still looks solid, overall

10:17 reptilian_thrills; in communist russia, github teaches manchester uni

10:17 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/COMP101

=> ↺ https://github.com/UoMCS/COMP101

10:17 TR Bot; - UoMCS/COMP101: Lab manual and exercises for UoM CS101

10:17 reptilian_thrills; this is what i mean, its everywhere

10:17 reptilian_thrills; 09:14 <reptilian_thrills> it happens informally

10:17 reptilian_thrills; 09:13 <reptilian_thrills> its not a course, its a material

10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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10:21 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/softeng Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/

=> ↺ https://github.com/UoMCS/softeng
=> ↺ https://software-eng.netlify.app/

10:21 TR Bot; - UoMCS/softeng: Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/

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10:21 TR Bot; Welcome | Software engineering

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10:25 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/php-png Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP

=> ↺ https://github.com/UoMCS/php-png

10:25 TR Bot; - UoMCS/php-png: Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP

10:26 reptilian_thrills; here you want to look at the syllabus? you can visualise it

10:26 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation

=> ↺ https://github.com/UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation

10:26 TR Bot; - UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation: Syllabus Visualisation

10:26 reptilian_thrills; /me visualises microsoft controlling the compsci dept

10:27 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/komodo Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories

=> ↺ https://github.com/UoMCS/komodo

10:27 TR Bot; - UoMCS/komodo: Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories

10:27 reptilian_thrills; even their mips stuff is on github (maybe their most popular repo on gh)

10:27 *schestowitz[TR] back

10:28 reptilian_thrills; github has taken over the school

10:28 reptilian_thrills; granted im not picking on manchester-- i think its like this in general

10:28 reptilian_thrills; i wish it wasnt

10:28 reptilian_thrills; the term "monopoly" tends to imply... basically this

10:29 reptilian_thrills; github is nearly a monopoly. its bad.

10:29 reptilian_thrills; its not QUITE a monopoly, but its enough of one to predict stuff like this

10:29 TR News; "General Mills hikedits pricesfive times since June of 2021 alone, and the company saw its net earnings climb31 percentto$820 million" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/raise-corporate-taxes-not-interest-rates/ | Source: Counter Punch

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10:29 TR Bot; Corporate Taxes, Not Interest Rates - CounterPunch.org

10:30 TR News;

10:30 reptilian_thrills; for uom to stand against github, they would have to care more about software freedom than the gnu project

10:30 TR News; "There is a huge difference between those at the top of the .1%people such as Musk, Bezos, and Gatesand those at the entry level." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-wealth-of-the-u-s-wealthiest-one-tenth-of-one-percent/ | Source: Counter Punch

=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-wealth-of-the-u-s-wealthiest-one-tenth-of-one-percent/

10:30 TR Bot; Wealth of the U.S. Wealthiest One-Tenth of One Percent - CounterPunch.org

10:30 reptilian_thrills; thats slightly tongue in cheek (but mostly true)

10:31 schestowitz[TR]; shithub is subsidised at a loss

10:31 schestowitz[TR]; that's why many still use that

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and they also bribe with cpu cycles

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; github "actions"

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile they need an income source

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; 18k laid off

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; just at Microsoft

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; frieddman was canned

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and they put azure person in charge

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it

10:32 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab also

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; they wanted to cut costs

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; by removing 'inactive' projects

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; i.e. projects that are still useful but don't have commit activity on them

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; turns out 'free' hosting is not a business plan

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; it's a market share geab plan

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; free sofwtare does not have this issue

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; free software does not mean free hosting

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; it means,

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; take this code

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; pass it on

10:33 schestowitz[TR]; deploy it

10:34 schestowitz[TR]; send back patches etc.

10:34 schestowitz[TR]; but you are on your own

10:34 schestowitz[TR]; 'clown' computing is not cheap

10:34 schestowitz[TR]; it's bait

10:34 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/

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10:34 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights

10:35 reptilian_thrills; while the world stops caring about software freedom, the fsf does

10:35 reptilian_thrills; nothing

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; yeah

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; i did a post about this.

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; hang on

10:35 reptilian_thrills; shithub is subsidised at a loss <- expenditures

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/free-speech-dying/

=> http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/free-speech-dying/

10:35 TR Bot; Free Speech is Becoming as Scarce as Independent Journalism (Even at the FSF) | Techrights

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; not this one

10:35 schestowitz[TR]; there was another one..

10:35 reptilian_thrills; 18k laid off <- the nazi camps laid off millions

10:36 reptilian_thrills; they still had plenty of free workers

10:36 reptilian_thrills; they put azure person in charge <- i swear it was mentioned in the halloween documents

10:36 reptilian_thrills; "one 'blue sky' option..."

10:37 reptilian_thrills; they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it <- this is your circular argument, you dont get it

10:37 reptilian_thrills; github is a weapon, its not a product

10:37 reptilian_thrills; if a guy goes into a bank with a gun, it doesnt matter how much money they give him

10:37 reptilian_thrills; the gun is not for sale

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile at github

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; dmaage control

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; :

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] your iphone hangs up the network whgen idle

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] Yeah something like that

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] if that happens assume anything posted through irc might not go through

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] Anyways I'm just saying don't assume that I am right about him resisting arrest

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] That is just an opinion and not anything that should be published

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] i assume nothing, at least when publishing

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] i check carefully

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] I am not committing defamation by saying that there's usually a correlation between a long time in jail and posting bail

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] And resisting arrest

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1240022284489777153?s=20

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10:37 TR Bot; @epowell101 Yes, a return to the belief in the importance of technocratic excellence.

10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] This is interesting

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] "Technocrat"

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] you mean like the one percent? [03:35] The slumlords nat?

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] "king of github"

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] xamarin

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] ximian

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] microsoft.. CEO

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] lol

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] playing "low level"

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] while talking about his 'homy' satya in twitter a day or so before "thank you github"

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] he was sacked I reckon

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] on amicable terms

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] to avoid panic at the company

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:37] "Mind over matter"

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:37] Poor victim [03:39] I wish i knew more.

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] lol

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] it's almost 4sam here

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] I think Alex might have already been on his last days at github

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] I need sleep soon

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] He's been working on documentation

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] Yeah sure go to sleep thanks for taking down my picture because I really want you to do that and it's important

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] yes, will do that

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] I know it's public but the warrant is much better evidence[03:40] in the morning

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:41] Thank you good night

10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:41] gn

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; lots going on at github, reptilian_thrills

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; but the media is MIA

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; intentionally

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year?

10:39 reptilian_thrills; lots going on at github <- you know where a lot isnt going on?

10:39 reptilian_thrills; free software

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; and now it's just OSI shill talking about "HEY HI"?

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; while Microsoft pays for the placements?

10:39 schestowitz[TR]; under the name "github"?

10:39 reptilian_thrills; noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year? <- i havent kept up on this

10:39 mjg59_; Copilot's kind of talked about a lot this year?

10:40 mjg59_; It GAed earlier this year

10:40 reptilian_thrills; ah here comes the fact checker

10:40 reptilian_thrills; actually, roy could use a few of those

10:40 mjg59_; And moved to requiring payment

10:40 mjg59_; (Outside people who qualify for free access)

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; it's piushing proprietary software

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; vs 'core'

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; *code

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; and it'll fail

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; shithub will still lose money

10:40 reptilian_thrills; __________ is dying

10:40 mjg59_; That's kind of a separate issue from nobody talking about it

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; while encouraging copyright violations

10:40 schestowitz[TR]; which mjg59_ is OK with

10:41 schestowitz[TR]; biab

10:41 schestowitz[TR]; no time to fight with copilot apologists

10:41 mjg59_; Yeah I'm actually broadly good with weakening copyright

10:41 reptilian_thrills; im good with broadly weakening it

10:41 mjg59_; Free software doesn't depend on it

10:41 mjg59_; The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists

10:41 mjg59_; But I'd rather not have strong copyright

10:42 reptilian_thrills; The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists <- this has been my position for years

10:42 reptilian_thrills; But I'd rather not have strong copyrigh <- this too

10:42 reptilian_thrills; however, as strategies for weakening copyright goes

10:42 TR News; WheatSystem Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/wheatsystem-is-a-homebrew-8-bit-os/ | Source: Hackaday

=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/wheatsystem-is-a-homebrew-8-bit-os/

10:42 TR Bot; Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS | Hackaday

10:42 reptilian_thrills; having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress"

10:42 TR News; RepRap https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/hackaday-podcast-189-seven-segments-three-ways-candle-code-diy-e-readers-and-the-badge-reveal/ | Source: Hackaday

=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/hackaday-podcast-189-seven-segments-three-ways-candle-code-diy-e-readers-and-the-badge-reveal/

10:42 TR Bot; Podcast 189: Seven Segments Three Ways, Candle Code, DIY E-Readers, And The Badge Reveal | Hackaday

10:43 reptilian_thrills; instead, they charge royalties for bogus patents

10:43 reptilian_thrills; but the royalties are just as real as they would be for legit patents

10:43 mjg59_; If someone other than Microsoft trained a model on the Github data (which, I admit, would be more work) you'd end up with an equivalent model that wasn't owned by Microsoft

10:43 reptilian_thrills; i buy an android phone, microsoft gets paid. did they make android? no. would it matter? no.

10:44 mjg59_; Would that model be evil?

10:44 TR News; Npm Timing Leak = Microsoft failure https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/this-week-in-security-npm-timing-leak-siemens-universal-key-and-php-in-png/ | Source: Hackaday http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/

=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/this-week-in-security-npm-timing-leak-siemens-universal-key-and-php-in-png/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/

10:44 TR Bot; Week In Security: Npm Timing Leak, Siemens Universal Key, And PHP In PNG | Hackaday

10:44 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights

10:44 reptilian_thrills; having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress" <- if anything, copyright has gotten stronger since then

10:44 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Would that model be evil? <- thats reducing the question to focus on the good and ignore the problem

10:44 reptilian_thrills; if its not a fallacy its still rhetoric

10:45 reptilian_thrills; youre REALLY good at framing shit

10:45 mjg59_; I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy when analysing things

10:45 reptilian_thrills; i want to know who trained you, it cant just be a hobby

10:46 reptilian_thrills; I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy <- you mean separate their actions from the problems it causes :)

10:46 mjg59_; Benefits of an Oxbridge education

10:46 mjg59_; (Not really, they don't teach rhetoric in biology courses)

10:46 reptilian_thrills; Benefits of an Oxbridge education <- so when the an-coms smash oxbridge ill hold my tongue

10:46 mjg59_; (And I was never a member of the debating societies)

10:46 reptilian_thrills; hard to believe

10:47 reptilian_thrills; your skill at compartmentalising is nearly unlike any ive seen.

10:47 mjg59_; Oh, I'm ideologically closer to being an an-com than anything else tbh

10:47 reptilian_thrills; youre like rhetorical qubes os

10:48 mjg59_; Microsoft as a whole certainly benefits from broadening IP protection

10:48 reptilian_thrills; but hypocrisy has rarely hurt their ambitions or their bottom line

10:48 mjg59_; That doesn't mean that every single thing that happens within Microsoft that could be perceived in that way is intended to be that

10:48 mjg59_; Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company

10:48 mjg59_; It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil

10:48 reptilian_thrills; Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company <- but unquestionably destructive to things outside it

10:49 reptilian_thrills; It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil <- im not sure the margin makes much difference

10:49 reptilian_thrills; i mean i used to

10:49 reptilian_thrills; before free software collapsed

10:49 reptilian_thrills; i used to think we could win

10:49 reptilian_thrills; i still TECHNICALLY do

10:49 reptilian_thrills; but its a lot more laughable now

10:49 mjg59_; Hey if I'd wanted to sell out and make a shitload of cash by working for Microsoft I've had ample opportunity, and I won't because I think Microsoft is still fundamentally incompatible with advancing free software

10:50 TR News; Pro Publica talks about "Affordable Housing" while taking bribes from the world's biggest thief, Bill Gates https://www.propublica.org/article/crda-failed-affordable-housing-atlantic-city

=> ↺ https://www.propublica.org/article/crda-failed-affordable-housing-atlantic-city

10:50 TR Bot; How CRDA Failed on Affordable Housing in Atlantic City ProPublica

10:50 mjg59_; But I don't think Copilot is a plot to launder free software into proprietary code

10:50 reptilian_thrills; yeah but thats roys schtick not mine

10:50 reptilian_thrills; he thinks youre going to work for them because i thinks theyll buy aurora

10:50 reptilian_thrills; and i said

10:50 reptilian_thrills; for one reason or another, if microsoft buys aurora, youll probably quit not long after

10:51 reptilian_thrills; call it a hunch

10:51 mjg59_; If any company I work for is acquired by Microsoft, my resignation notice is signed in the time it takes me to write it after learning that happens

10:51 mjg59_; Ditto Apple

10:51 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> yeah but thats roys schtick not mine

10:51 schestowitz[TR]; trhat's the evidence

10:51 reptilian_thrills; and somehow that doesnt surprise me

10:51 schestowitz[TR]; from the people who came up with it

10:51 schestowitz[TR]; read the series

10:52 schestowitz[TR]; serial plagiarists

10:52 reptilian_thrills; im not sure what youre even trying to tell me right now

10:52 schestowitz[TR]; i'll be back later then

10:52 schestowitz[TR]; i saw "roy"

10:52 reptilian_thrills; probably something im already aware of

10:52 schestowitz[TR]; got highlight

10:52 reptilian_thrills; yeah that was about mjg working for microsoft

10:53 reptilian_thrills; i dont think he will

10:53 schestowitz[TR]; want to make sure what you say with my name in it is at least truthful

10:53 reptilian_thrills; not on the books at least

10:53 reptilian_thrills; is at least truthful <- knowing what i was saying is a good first step

10:53 reptilian_thrills; i was saying that its your schtick that hes going to go work for microsoft

10:53 mjg59_; But seriously I don't think Copilot is fundamentally an attack on free software

10:53 reptilian_thrills; and i dont agree

10:53 reptilian_thrills; thats the whole thing

10:54 reptilian_thrills; i dont think he will go work for microsoft

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; he doesn't need to

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; he already works for microsoft

10:54 reptilian_thrills; that may be true

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; but on the salary of another company

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; this is very common

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; in unievrsities also

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; the uni pays the salaryy

10:54 mjg59_; In an abstract sense, from a free software perspective we should be in favour of tools that make it easier for people to take existing ideas and turn them into free software

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; but the person works against the uni

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; and for smicrosoft

10:54 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe later goes work for microsoft more directly

10:55 reptilian_thrills; In an abstract sense <- this is too abstract, if you were a marxist you wouldnt do this

10:55 mjg59_; The problem is that any tool that makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into free software also makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into proprietary software

10:55 mjg59_; So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad?

10:55 reptilian_thrills; because youre creating a very abstract formula and deciding what to do based on that

10:55 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad? <- what you should do is look at the situation

10:55 mjg59_; Or is the tool itself neutral, and the problem is the existence of proprietary software?

10:55 reptilian_thrills; and look at the big picture

10:55 reptilian_thrills; and compare them

10:55 reptilian_thrills; and decide what to do based on those.

10:56 reptilian_thrills; instead youre creating an abstract formula and fitting your goals to an overgeneralisation

10:56 reptilian_thrills; this looks like im complaining about your process

10:56 mjg59_; I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad"

10:56 reptilian_thrills; but actually im complaining about the results and saying what leads to it

10:56 reptilian_thrills; I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad" <- that too is an overgeneralisation that i think is foolish

10:56 mjg59_; And, like, what's the actual goal of free software

10:56 reptilian_thrills; i mean on the part of free software

10:57 mjg59_; Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned

10:57 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned <- i can give you my standard answer to this

10:57 reptilian_thrills; the goals of free software are 1. for all software to be free 2. for users to control their computing

10:57 reptilian_thrills; now, im sympathetic to free culture as a goal. ive been using free culture licenses religiously for like a decade

10:58 reptilian_thrills; i wrote a RHETORICAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE to poke at stallmans line between software and culture-- which has SOME basis in copyright law/tradition but idgaf.

10:58 reptilian_thrills; the fsf has never been fair to free culture

10:58 reptilian_thrills; and cc sucks too

10:58 TR News; "Copyright Management Services Ltd, a UK-based company that helped front the BitTorrent piracy lawsuit factory known as Guardaley" https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-lawsuit-front-company-tries-to-shut-down-accounts-overdue-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak

=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-lawsuit-front-company-tries-to-shut-down-accounts-overdue-221014/

10:58 TR Bot; Lawsuit Front Company Tries to Shut Down, Accounts Overdue * TorrentFreak

10:58 TR News; "Germany's Federal Court of Justice has clarified the conditions under which rightsholders can seek site-blocking orders to restrict access to piracy sites." https://torrentfreak.com/federal-court-of-justice-pirate-site-blocking-must-be-a-tool-of-last-resort-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak

=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/federal-court-of-justice-pirate-site-blocking-must-be-a-tool-of-last-resort-221014/

10:58 TR Bot; Court of Justice: Pirate Site Blocking Must Be a Tool of Last Resort * TorrentFreak

10:58 reptilian_thrills; cc is just a mountain of disappointment. and suck.

10:59 reptilian_thrills; i adore lessig.

10:59 reptilian_thrills; the apple falls very far from the tree

10:59 TR News; "Back in the 1980s, the personal computer was a hip new thing, and the form this new technology would take was still up for debate." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/toteable-pc-is-inspired-by-macs-of-days-gone-by/ | Source: Hackaday

=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/toteable-pc-is-inspired-by-macs-of-days-gone-by/

10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 76.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 37.81

10:59 TR Bot; PC Is Inspired By Macs Of Days Gone By | Hackaday

10:59 mjg59_; It's kind of a tragedy that the FSF and CC never got along

10:59 reptilian_thrills; i actually stopped paying the fsf because i felt they were attacking free culture

10:59 mjg59_; Because I think a more coherent free knowledge movement would have worked better than separate free culture and free software movements

10:59 reptilian_thrills; however, its never been one sided

11 AM, October 15

11:00 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/10/31/rms-lessig-video-2001-san-francisco/

=> http://techrights.org/2020/10/31/rms-lessig-video-2001-san-francisco/

11:00 TR Bot; New Video Release by Marcia K. Wilbur: Richard Stallman (RMS) and Larry Lessig | Techrights

11:00 reptilian_thrills; the two have been in the backseat screaming and pulling each others hair and kicking each other for 20 years of this fucking road trip

11:00 reptilian_thrills; yeah lessig vs rms isnt the issue

11:00 reptilian_thrills; its fsf vs cc, but cc sucks

11:00 schestowitz[TR]; divide and rule

11:00 reptilian_thrills; if cc was more like lessig, fsf would be the main problem

11:00 mjg59_; Ok, so let's take the Copilot technology, but apply it to literature

11:00 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/

=> http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/

11:00 TR Bot; Splinter Group SFC (Already Sued by Moglen/SFLC) is Not Really Against Microsoft GitHub, It Helps IBM/Red Hat Outsource GNU to GitHub Using the Same Excuses Microsoft Used When Lobbying for Kernel.org to Move to Proprietary GitHub | Techrights

11:00 reptilian_thrills; divide and rule <- thats not how the fsf sees it

11:01 reptilian_thrills; mark-j-wielaard <- coup

11:01 reptilian_thrills; but you know that

11:01 mjg59_; I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical art

11:01 reptilian_thrills; and-sourcewar <- ibm gcc

11:01 schestowitz[TR]; ito was left in charge of cc

11:01 reptilian_thrills; I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical ar <- i made this point about stable diffusion recently

11:01 schestowitz[TR]; he then helped mit net money from gates/epstein

11:01 schestowitz[TR]; so ito was no lessig

11:01 mjg59_; So do we treat those technologies the same way as Copilot? If not, why?

11:02 schestowitz[TR]; he apprarently saw nothing wrong with sex trafficking and microsoft passing bribes

11:02 reptilian_thrills; i mean there are a few ways i can poke at your generalisation

11:02 reptilian_thrills; id need time to pick one and im not sure how much they all matter

11:02 mjg59_; I would genuinely love you to

11:02 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/

=> http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/

11:02 TR Bot; Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights

11:02 reptilian_thrills; okay, for one, we could lean on the distinction between software and other works-- which i TOTALLY think stallman overplays, and he shouldnt

11:03 mjg59_; Because my gut feeling is that these are the same things, and they say something about creativity, and socially we have different ideas about the creativity in graphical art and the creativity in software

11:03 reptilian_thrills; but making it into nothing at all is probably a mistake too

11:03 reptilian_thrills; these are the same things <- im not sure theyre the same thing

11:03 reptilian_thrills; in copyright theyre not

11:03 *yuhong (~yuhong@8bhg8w55itquy.irc) has joined #techrights

11:03 reptilian_thrills; in otehr ways theyre not

11:03 reptilian_thrills; stallman was always good at drawing the line between them

11:03 reptilian_thrills; i just think he made (way) too much of it

11:03 schestowitz[TR]; here comes the microsoft troll

11:03 reptilian_thrills; im not saying theres no line at all

11:03 mjg59_; Can I just say that when Roy asks me why I'm here, it's because this is the sort of conversation I want to have

11:04 reptilian_thrills; i mean he gives you the perfect excuse anyway

11:04 reptilian_thrills; he never stfu about you

11:04 reptilian_thrills; you two didnt date in uni?

11:04 yuhong; I wonder would Shane support a transition to SSD based search engines.

11:04 schestowitz[TR]; yuhong: wtf?

11:04 schestowitz[TR]; shane has not been involved since 2007

11:04 reptilian_thrills; i think he meant hypothetically

11:04 schestowitz[TR]; and you keep bringing up things from 15 years ago like his google ads

11:04 reptilian_thrills; or rhetorically

11:04 schestowitz[TR]; yuhong: grow up

11:05 reptilian_thrills; maybe yuhong is interested in the history of techrights

11:05 mjg59_; Roy was all busy lifting and I was too busy hanging out with women

11:05 mjg59_; Not a lot of opportunity for us to hook up

11:05 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: no, he is trolling for microsoft

11:05 schestowitz[TR]; like claiming we have google ads

11:05 mjg59_; He seems pretty monogomous, anyway

11:05 schestowitz[TR]; they existed in 2006

11:05 schestowitz[TR]; not my choise, either

11:05 reptilian_thrills; yeah i think hes half-amish

11:05 schestowitz[TR]; *choice

11:05 reptilian_thrills; in every conceivable way

11:06 reptilian_thrills; probably on his fathers side

11:06 schestowitz[TR]; techusers is like this too

11:06 yuhong; Since 2007?

11:06 reptilian_thrills; 2006

11:06 reptilian_thrills; oh different question

11:06 yuhong; I believe that you had Google ads for years.

11:07 mjg59_; But anyway, "AI" generated content

11:07 reptilian_thrills; I believe that you had Google ads for years. <- what would the point of that be

11:07 mjg59_; I think the arguments from graphical artists have been more coherent than those from software developers

11:07 reptilian_thrills; also the internet archive should make it clear whether their were google ads or not

11:07 schestowitz[TR]; the microsofters love to bring that up

11:07 reptilian_thrills; have been more coherent <- copyright works differently for images and software.

11:08 mjg59_; I think the most powerful argument from the art side is "What does 'in the style of' mean"

11:08 schestowitz[TR]; like de icaza did in 2007

11:08 reptilian_thrills; how copyright is/isnt weaked (it stands to reason) should be different as well

11:08 mjg59_; I think framing the discussion in terms of copyright is a problem

11:08 schestowitz[TR]; it's the "you're doing it for profit" FUD

11:08 schestowitz[TR]; I didn't even have access to that gulag account

11:08 reptilian_thrills; in terms of copyright is a proble <- its unavoidable

11:08 schestowitz[TR]; that was shane's

11:08 mjg59_; Given that my position is basically "Fuck copyright"

11:08 reptilian_thrills; i mean, you are very insistent on framing this in a way that ignores every problem brought up

11:09 reptilian_thrills; and focuses on how it might be aweseom

11:09 reptilian_thrills; open source has done that forever

11:09 mjg59_; Hrm let me try to rephrase this

11:09 reptilian_thrills; but what if its REALLY COOL THO

11:09 reptilian_thrills; i mean thats great if its really cool-- but

11:09 mjg59_; If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs about what copyright should be

11:09 reptilian_thrills; imo we should weight the pros AND the cons

11:09 reptilian_thrills; not the pros OR the cons

11:09 TR News; "Despite efforts to curb insider trading, the practice has been rampant within the US government on both sides of the aisle" https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Scheerpost

=> ↺ https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/

11:09 TR Bot; Scandal of Congressional Stock Trading - scheerpost.com

11:09 mjg59_; And maybe existing copyright law is actually bad

11:09 reptilian_thrills; If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs <- well no

11:09 yuhong; I am targeting Shane and not schestowitz anyway.

11:10 reptilian_thrills; again, if you were a marxist youd know more about transitioning things

11:10 schestowitz[TR]; so you're being an s-shole

11:10 schestowitz[TR]; attacking a deaf person 15 years after he moved on to fcus on family

11:10 reptilian_thrills; i mean an-coms are very much

11:10 reptilian_thrills; smash now, rebuild later

11:10 mjg59_; yuhong: I've repeatedly tried to block you from commenting on my blog because almost everything you say has no relevance to whatever was written and I honestly can't believe that I'm saying this here but you're adding nothing

11:10 reptilian_thrills; marxists dismantle things like they want to put it back together in a way that works.

11:11 reptilian_thrills; you just want to smash copyright. this argument is sloppy as hell but i think it cuts right to the heart of the matter

11:11 reptilian_thrills; im happy to see copyright disappear

11:11 reptilian_thrills; but i dont necessarily think ANY OF THIS is going to help make copyright disappear

11:11 reptilian_thrills; its going to affect copyleft faster than it affects copyright

11:11 mjg59_; Yeah I don't think this makes copyright disappear at all

11:12 reptilian_thrills; and its going to help corporations more than it helps free sw

11:12 reptilian_thrills; but then again

11:12 reptilian_thrills; free sw is dead so

11:12 mjg59_; But it's about trying to remain consistent with what I believe copyright should protect

11:12 reptilian_thrills; we are basically coming up with a plan to not piss off the beothuk tribe, which no longer exists

11:12 reptilian_thrills; everything is open source and open source LOVES this shit

11:12 reptilian_thrills; so rah rah rah copilot yay

11:12 mjg59_; And if the argument is that we need strong copyright to protect free software then I think we've lost at some other level

11:12 schestowitz[TR]; no copyrights -> you can lieft all source code of proprietary software

11:12 schestowitz[TR]; everything becomes public domain

11:13 schestowitz[TR]; and code reuse is a natural condition

11:13 reptilian_thrills; i mean your argument-- forgive me for saying so-- is pretty much word for word what julia reda wrote years ago

11:13 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like 50 years ago I think

11:13 reptilian_thrills; and i know what you did (im not implying anything Personal or intimate here) with julia reda

11:13 reptilian_thrills; so

11:13 reptilian_thrills; not that it necessarily changes any of this

11:13 reptilian_thrills; but...

11:13 reptilian_thrills; id feel remiss if i didnt even mention this

11:13 TR News; Europol and Interpol spying https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/14/connecting-europol-and-interpol-eu-provides-more-surveillance-in-libya/ | Source: Site36

=> ↺ https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/14/connecting-europol-and-interpol-eu-provides-more-surveillance-in-libya/

11:13 TR Bot; Connecting Europol and Interpol: EU provides more surveillance in Libya Security Architectures in the EU

11:14 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Felix Reda now, I believe

11:14 TR News; Medicine Dosing Spoon Discontinued https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/medicine-dosing-spoon-discontinued-made-3d-printable-instead/ | Source: Hackaday

=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/medicine-dosing-spoon-discontinued-made-3d-printable-instead/

11:14 TR Bot; Dosing Spoon Discontinued, Made 3D Printable Instead | Hackaday

11:14 mjg59_; But I don't think I've ever communicated with him

11:14 reptilian_thrills; Felix Reda <- this is literally the first ive heard of this

11:15 schestowitz[TR]; Reda= anti-rms

11:15 reptilian_thrills; the first ive hear <- not even a hint or a whisper or a rumour or an inkling

11:15 schestowitz[TR]; maybe pressing reset

11:15 reptilian_thrills; id say im shocked but i have no reason to be, and im really not

11:15 schestowitz[TR]; after some bad press

11:16 reptilian_thrills; maybe pressing reset <- this is mildly transphobic

11:16 mjg59_; https://www.buzzfeed.de/recherchen/exklusiv-der-ehemalige-eu-abgeordnete-und-digitalexperte-felix-reda-senficon-outet-sich-als-trans-zr-91261007.html

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11:16 TR Bot; Exklusiv: Ehemaliger EU-Abgeordneter Felix Reda outet sich als trans

11:16 reptilian_thrills; most people dont become trans to "press reset"

11:16 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: no, it does happen

11:16 mjg59_;

11:16 schestowitz[TR]; name changes in general

11:16 mjg59_; wtf

11:16 schestowitz[TR]; no wtf

11:16 yuhong; Interestingly http://www.edu-nix.org/ seems dead now too.

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11:16 schestowitz[TR]; fact

11:16 schestowitz[TR]; not convenient to some

11:16 schestowitz[TR]; but always applicable

11:17 mjg59_; People transition to avoid their history

11:17 mjg59_; While retaining family names

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; there are high-profile examples

11:17 mjg59_; And doing so in a way that leaves a clear link between them

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; m,ental breakdowns

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; and then name change

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; to start afresh

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; many examples

11:17 mjg59_; Many examples of people transitioning for that purpose?

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; or after some misconduct

11:17 mjg59_; Name one

11:17 schestowitz[TR]; that's why states try to chain and link name changes

11:18 TR News; "Well, there is, kinda. Its called the Stock Act and passed in 2012. It allows stock trading, so long as the politicos eschew insider information." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Counter Punch

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11:18 schestowitz[TR]; annie machon's partner

11:18 mjg59_; Give one example of someone transitioning to escape their history

11:18 reptilian_thrills; blacks actually commit crimes. we have records.

11:18 reptilian_thrills; if every time someone mentions blacks i said "maybe hes a criminal"

11:18 reptilian_thrills; it would be pretty racist

11:19 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Annie Machon's parter transitioned?

11:19 schestowitz[TR]; yes

11:19 schestowitz[TR]; I spoke to her about it

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11:20 mjg59_; And did so to avoid her history?

11:20 schestowitz[TR]; but that was back in the days when according to you you were saying "transphobic shit"

11:20 schestowitz[TR]; (I did not)

11:20 yuhong; https://www.shanecoyle.com/ still seems to be alive.

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11:20 TR Bot; Citizen Shane

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11:21 reptilian_thrills; yuhong why are you so interested in 15-year-old techrights?

11:21 reptilian_thrills; there "has to" be a reason

11:21 reptilian_thrills; /me is interested in techrights history too

11:21 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all

11:21 reptilian_thrills; did you read boycott novell?

11:21 schestowitz[TR]; lol, yuhong thinks there's only one person for each name

11:22 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all <- thats been my impression too, but im still fuzzing atm

11:22 yuhong; They had the Google ads for years. Do you remember when the ads were removed?

11:22 schestowitz[TR]; that's like thinking a Nguyen is just one family

11:22 reptilian_thrills; Do you remember when the ads were removed? <- you can just go to the front page in the internet archive and see for yourself

11:23 reptilian_thrills; i have no idea when the ads were there/removed

11:23 mjg59_; Anyway, the argument that people transition in order to avoid their past is ridiculous

11:23 mjg59_; Roy's provided no evidence to support that claim

11:23 schestowitz[TR]; that's not what I even said, transphobe

11:23 reptilian_thrills; ridiculous <- and sort of implies (even if not deliberately) that its just some kind of clever disguise

11:23 reptilian_thrills; that's not what I even said <- what you said does imply some of these things.

11:24 mjg59_; And I don't think there's any plausible suggestion that Felix Reda is trying to avoid his past

11:24 reptilian_thrills; unless you were WILDLY misunderstood

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; or other unwanted things

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; nothing to do with gender

11:24 reptilian_thrills; even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes <- right so

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; but about names

11:24 mjg59_; 11:15 < schestowitz[TR]> maybe pressing reset

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; people also change surnames for this reason sometimes

11:24 reptilian_thrills; nothing to do with gender <- exactly the point mjg is making

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; like after divorces

11:24 schestowitz[TR]; even some relatives of mine

11:24 reptilian_thrills; you apparently are conflating name changes with gender transitioning

11:25 mjg59_; Roy, you understand that transitioning is not just a matter of changing names, right

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; many people change nams

11:25 reptilian_thrills; changing your name is easy

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; few of those are trans

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; *names

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; but you live ina microcosm

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; of the people you've long mocked, mjg59_

11:25 reptilian_thrills; eli5 is no good, you have to explain like hes 2.

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; so you hear name change and think of sex change

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; that says a lot about you

11:25 schestowitz[TR]; not about me

11:25 mjg59_; We are talking about someone who transitioned and changed his name as a result of that transition

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; let us see how many people in the Uk change a name per year?

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; I reckon abotu a million

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; rianne changed her name

11:26 mjg59_; Implying that he changed his name to "press reset" is not appropriate

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; and had to send documents around to do this

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; liekly; a million people a year change name

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; in the UK alone

11:26 mjg59_; Cool what the fuck does that have to do with this specific case

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; most due to marriages and divorces, I'd guess

11:26 reptilian_thrills; you can tell roy hes conflaing the gender transition with the name change but he wont get it

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, I'm out

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; this is a waste of time

11:26 schestowitz[TR]; and trolling

11:27 mjg59_; Bye, transphobe

11:27 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/

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11:27 TR Bot; Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights

11:27 schestowitz[TR]; talk to the mirror

11:27 reptilian_thrills; anyway, ive never heard of felix reda before today

11:27 mjg59_; Yeah roy the thing is that I am not the person I was 20 years ago

11:28 mjg59_; Given the opportunity to go back in time and slap the shit out of myself I'd do so

11:28 schestowitz[TR]; good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes

11:28 reptilian_thrills; good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes <- random af

11:28 schestowitz[TR]; but then bill agtes won't want you

11:28 schestowitz[TR]; nor graveley

11:28 reptilian_thrills; ah, the connection

11:28 mjg59_; But I'm not the person I was 20 years ago

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11:28 schestowitz[TR]; who says men are disgusting when their body grows hair

11:28 mjg59_; And I reject many things I said and did then

11:28 mjg59_; And I can explain why those things were wrong

11:29 schestowitz[TR]; which makes one wonder about him being a kid lust cookoohead

11:29 reptilian_thrills; roy is the only person i know that gives a shit who you were 20 years ago

11:29 schestowitz[TR]; bbll

11:29 schestowitz[TR]; posting Daily Links now

11:29 mjg59_; Because over the course of my life I have learned a lot, and now I try to help encourage people not to be who I was 20 years ago

11:30 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to meet 60yo mjg and get him to slap 40yo mjg

11:30 mjg59_; And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster

11:30 mjg59_; Oh man I am honestly fascinated to learn who 60yo me is going to be

11:30 mjg59_; I'd love to know what I'm going to learn in the next couple of decades

11:31 mjg59_; Maybe I'll finally grow pubes

11:31 reptilian_thrills; so would i

11:31 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Maybe I'll finally grow pubes <- lol, you just have to push

11:31 reptilian_thrills; and then for gods sake, change your name

11:31 reptilian_thrills; because thats how its done

11:32 mjg59_; Yeah, better cope out as a woman and deal with all the social bullshit that will follow than deal with my history up until that point

11:32 mjg59_; Er, "come out", not "cope out"

11:33 mjg59_; Anyway sorry that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened

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11:33 reptilian_thrills; anyway, next time i meet someone whos trans ill be sure to ask them what theyre running from

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11:33 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster

11:34 schestowitz[TR]; explain it to your partner

11:34 schestowitz[TR]; not to me

11:34 reptilian_thrills; that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened <- just another day in #techrights

11:34 schestowitz[TR]; 20 years ago was not much different

11:34 reptilian_thrills; its good to know about felix anyway

11:34 schestowitz[TR]; and even in 2022 we have gays here and starstreak says in canada also doing "LGB drop the T" protests

11:34 mjg59_; My partner seems pretty ok with understanding that who I am now isn't who I was 20 years ago?

11:34 schestowitz[TR]; like dfc basically

11:35 mjg59_; Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now

11:35 schestowitz[TR]; we don't ban

11:35 reptilian_thrills; Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now <- i can explain it, but its stupid anyway

11:36 schestowitz[TR]; not everything posted here is endorsed by anyone else

11:36 mjg59_; But you write posts about me being transphobic 20 years ago, without mentioning dfc being transphobic now

11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and now there is a person here called "whitenigga"

11:36 schestowitz[TR]; I don't endorse that

11:36 mjg59_; Cool

11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and we don't police nicknames like xbox (miocrosoft) does

11:36 mjg59_; That's certainly a choice you can make

11:36 whitenigga; hello :D

11:36 mjg59_; You can allow racism and transphobia to exist in your community

11:37 mjg59_; Or you can do something about that

11:37 schestowitz[TR]; sigh

11:37 mjg59_; Up to you!

11:37 mjg59_; Also up to other people to judge you based on that

11:38 whitenigga; yo dawg

11:38 mjg59_; Anyway I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software

11:38 whitenigga; im black but im albino

11:38 whitenigga; so im literally a whitenigga

11:39 schestowitz[TR]; you are not antitransphobia enforcer

11:39 reptilian_thrills; I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software <- i think (felix) redas take on it is a mistake

11:39 schestowitz[TR]; no more than kkk whom "saw the light" speak for tolerance

11:39 reptilian_thrills; i did at the time, and i do now

11:39 reptilian_thrills; of course i can appreciate the logic

11:39 reptilian_thrills; but i think its overgeneralising thigns that are sometimes different

11:40 reptilian_thrills; and the real test for whether its different or not-- is practice

11:40 reptilian_thrills; whether its different in practice

11:40 reptilian_thrills; so if we could fast forward to see where this goes, and it goes fine-- then theres no problem obviously

11:40 reptilian_thrills; i think if we fast forward we see bigger gains for microsoft and not much impact on copyright in general

11:40 mjg59_; I don't disagree with that argument, but the thing I'd question is how much of the difference in practice is down to fundamental differences and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between things

11:41 reptilian_thrills; this will affect copyright-- for microsoft and other big companies

11:41 reptilian_thrills; and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between thing <- generally speaking, id say all of stallmans points about the distinction are valid, just exaggerated

11:41 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is the Robert Byrd of the trans community

11:41 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to think who robert byrd is

11:41 mjg59_; If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things?

11:42 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things? <- you move very fast

11:42 reptilian_thrills; i used to have a book

11:42 reptilian_thrills; that said plagiarism was more common and not such a big deal

11:42 reptilian_thrills; until commercial publishing (and the printing press) got going

11:43 mjg59_; I'd prefer to frame it as "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question"

11:43 reptilian_thrills; before that, people stole each others words ideas everything no problem

11:43 reptilian_thrills; similarly, copyright has about 0 bearing on non-commerical copies for most of its existence

11:43 reptilian_thrills; and you could even hand-copy a whole book and charge a fee, because you werent "a publisher"

11:43 reptilian_thrills; but once you got into "publishing" you had to follow copyright law

11:44 mjg59_; And this is actually one of my problems with Doctorow - he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work

11:44 reptilian_thrills; "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question <- the thing is, thats naivete as a strategy

11:44 reptilian_thrills; i mean you want to go somewhere then figure out where we are going after-- or not at all

11:44 mjg59_; (Which was kind of a problem when I ended up hanging out with him a couple of weeks ago)

11:44 reptilian_thrills; in terms of strategy (in general) thats the opposite of what you should do

11:45 reptilian_thrills; he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work <- yeah

11:45 reptilian_thrills; ive read and bought several of his books

11:45 reptilian_thrills; but ive pretty much given up on him

11:45 reptilian_thrills; i liked makers a lot

11:46 reptilian_thrills; i started reasing information doesnt want to be free

11:46 reptilian_thrills; i loved him in rip a remix manifesto

11:46 reptilian_thrills; the "boring details" of this are the ones that really tell us what we need to know imo

11:46 reptilian_thrills; not because they necessarily go my way or your way

11:47 reptilian_thrills; but because they let us figure out where we are going with some actual knowledge

11:47 reptilian_thrills; you really just want to move, imo

11:47 reptilian_thrills; and i dont want copyright either

11:47 reptilian_thrills; but relaxing it for microsoft doesnt really need to result in any gains for the rest of us

11:48 reptilian_thrills; just like increasing taxes for the poor doesnt make the rich pay for things we need

11:48 mjg59_; I think the idea that we're relaxing it for Microsoft is the key point here

11:48 mjg59_; If we did the same, would that change its character?

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11:48 reptilian_thrills; youre not going to convince the copyleft die-hards even then

11:49 mjg59_; Say we convinced Microsoft to allow us to train a free software model on the Github corpus (and yes I don't think they would, this is a thought experiment)

11:49 reptilian_thrills; and i realise that doesnt mean we shouldnt change things

11:49 mjg59_; Would that be qualitatively different to Microsoft owning the only example of such a model

11:49 reptilian_thrills; imo copyleft is not a good enough reason to keep copyright

11:49 mjg59_; Or would it be an equal threat to free software

11:50 reptilian_thrills; before software became copyrightable

11:50 reptilian_thrills; because it wasnt, in the states

11:50 reptilian_thrills; companies just used ndas instead

11:50 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> /me tries to think who robert byrd is

11:50 schestowitz[TR]; former KKK

11:50 reptilian_thrills; thanks

11:51 reptilian_thrills; if im going to compare mjg to robert byrd i might as well go full godwin imo

11:51 schestowitz[TR]; for political reasons he stopped the "kkk shit"

11:51 reptilian_thrills; oh, now i see the nuance

11:52 reptilian_thrills; former kkk

11:52 schestowitz[TR]; kanye west is reverse byrd

11:52 schestowitz[TR]; started with "george bush dones'\t care about black people"

11:52 schestowitz[TR]; now sides with neonazi rhetorics

11:52 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Is your argument that if someone has ever done something bad, it's impossible for them to understand that and change?

11:52 schestowitz[TR]; don't gloat

11:52 reptilian_thrills; , it's impossible for them to understand that and change? <- projection

11:52 schestowitz[TR]; you're no role model

11:52 mjg59_; I'm clearly no role model

11:53 schestowitz[TR]; rms has at least been quite tolerant for almost 70 years

11:53 mjg59_; rms refused to use the correct pronouns to refer to my partner

11:53 schestowitz[TR]; sorry to hear that

11:53 mjg59_; Cool

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11:54 reptilian_thrills; the thing is, if you dont have anything you can tell the copyleft die-hards

11:54 mjg59_; And maybe 20 years ago I would also have failed to, but since then I've realised I was wrong in that respect

11:54 reptilian_thrills; theyre just going to fight you every step of the way

11:54 reptilian_thrills; which you wont care about, but theyll also fight everyone else who supports getting rid of copyright

11:54 reptilian_thrills; and they already do

11:55 mjg59_; Yeah I think the distinction is really between whether copyleft is a tactical thing or whether copyleft is a strategic thing

11:55 reptilian_thrills; it may seem beside the point-- i dont think it is, but

11:55 reptilian_thrills; if we had a coheerent (functioning) freesw movement

11:55 mjg59_; And I think some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started

11:55 reptilian_thrills; and a functioning free culture movement

11:55 reptilian_thrills; we wouldnt need to have this debate

11:56 reptilian_thrills; they would all be behind if if it were workable

11:56 mjg59_; This has been incredibly helpful in understanding where a bunch of the pushback comes from, thank you

11:56 reptilian_thrills; but because we have neither, they will fight this even if its workable (i not sure it is)

11:56 reptilian_thrills; some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started <- no question and ive been bitching about THIS VERY THING for years now

11:56 reptilian_thrills; technically stallman is for reducing terms

11:57 TR News; "During the talk there were a few connection problems which were eventually fixed. The published recording is complete and contains all of the actual speech that got through." http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021

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11:57 reptilian_thrills; but copyright is more likely to be abolished

11:57 reptilian_thrills; i mean its all well and good to say "in a perfect world" and he does

11:58 reptilian_thrills; but sometimes he says "in this world" when its about free software

11:58 mjg59_; Oh wait this is actually a perfect example of horseshoe theory

11:58 reptilian_thrills; what if its about copyright? then you never know what hes going to say

11:58 mjg59_; Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists

11:58 reptilian_thrills; Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists <- heh

11:58 reptilian_thrills; i think its just political failure

11:59 reptilian_thrills; i dont know anyone who takes horseshoe theory seriously. its funny at parties but doesnt explain that much

11:59 TR News; Taiwan reports 77 COVID-19 deaths, second worst after Russia. Only a crazy one thinks it makes sense that China reports 5,226 total deaths, whereas Taiwan alone has twice as many dead (in total). The West used to praise Taiwan's response... for POLITICAL reasons.

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12:01 TR News; The number of new asymptomatic cases, which China counts separately, were 1,003 http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202210/4cae2dec1b394c5e8077b95bac3bdf1c.shtml really? Just 1,000? How many got tested?

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12:02 TR News; On a weekly basis the UK has about a million asymptomatic COVID-19 cases, according to KCL/UCL studies

12:02 reptilian_thrills; the marxist version of horseshoe theory seems to be "historical dialectics" and at least marxists take that seriously

12:02 reptilian_thrills; but theres definitely a nuance

12:03 schestowitz[TR]; coipyleft and copyuright not the same

12:03 schestowitz[TR]; copyleft is about maximising sharing

12:03 schestowitz[TR]; copyright maximalists are the opposite

12:03 schestowitz[TR]; one strives for scarcity

12:03 mjg59_; Roy copyleft literally doesn't exist without copyright

12:03 reptilian_thrills; copyleft is about maximising sharing <- in theory

12:03 mjg59_; Learn to fucking nuance

12:03 mjg59_; The stronger copyright is, the stronger copyleft is

12:03 schestowitz[TR]; learn manners

12:04 mjg59_; I'll respect you when you respect me

12:04 schestowitz[TR]; go back to acpiu work

12:04 mjg59_; Not a lot to do there, it works now

12:04 reptilian_thrills; he likes your acpi work

12:04 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2008/07/25/foxconn-bios-acpi/

=> http://techrights.org/2008/07/25/foxconn-bios-acpi/

12:04 TR Bot; Microsofts Dirty ACPI Secrets: Its Back! (Updated) | Techrights

12:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.osnews.com/story/17689/bill-gates-on-making-acpi-not-work-with-linux/

=> ↺ https://www.osnews.com/story/17689/bill-gates-on-making-acpi-not-work-with-linux/

12:04 TR Bot; Gates on Making ACPI Not Work with Linux OSnews

12:04 reptilian_thrills; i want to tease him that you were transphobic back then but i think hes got that covered

12:05 mjg59_; Yeah uh you realise that the whole foxconn thing was ryan being wrong

12:05 reptilian_thrills; how was he wrong about foxconn-- im more itnerested about foxconn than even ryan being wrong

12:05 mjg59_; It was a combination of their BIOS not matching the spec and Linux not matching the spec and the combination breaking

12:06 mjg59_; It was nothing to do with their firmware deliberately breaking Linux

12:06 mjg59_; They'd just literally never tested it

12:06 reptilian_thrills; oops

12:06 mjg59_; They fixed their firmware, I fixed Linux

12:06 TR News; Pace of growth of debt in large EU/UK/American economies compared https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/14/national-public-debt-curves-compared-uk-vs-france-germany-italy-and-us/

=> ↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/14/national-public-debt-curves-compared-uk-vs-france-germany-italy-and-us/

12:07 TR Bot; Blog Archive National (Public) Debt Curves Compared: UK vs France, Germany, Italy, and US

12:07 mjg59_; So new firmware worked with old Linux, new Linux worked with old firmware

12:07 mjg59_; I still have that motherboard somewhere

12:07 mjg59_; (Foxconn sent me one to fix it)

12:08 mjg59_; Ryan responded to this by using a web service to sign me up to several hundred mailing lists

12:08 reptilian_thrills; lol

12:08 reptilian_thrills; now i understand how this all ties together

12:08 TR News; US: where a company that makes LOSSES can CLAIM to be worth TRILLIONS

12:09 mjg59_; Which I tracked back to a teenager in Canda who was running the website off his cable modem connection because some people he knew on IRC had convinced him it'd be cool

12:09 mjg59_; I threatened to call his parents and he handed over the IP logs

12:09 starstreak; lol

12:09 mjg59_; And it matched Ryan's IRC IP

12:10 mjg59_; (this was 2008, so most ircds still showed the actual hostname or IP)

12:10 starstreak; thats why daemonfc hates you?

12:10 mjg59_; I found the kid's email address because he'd advertised the quake server he was running on a forum, and his username was tied to an email address

12:11 reptilian_thrills; no, dfc hates him because hes black and likes people who are trans

12:11 reptilian_thrills; (technically hes irish but thats even worse)

12:11 mjg59_; I'm actually about as white as it's possible to be without being albino, but

12:12 reptilian_thrills; yeah but who ever heard of "irish privilege"

12:12 mjg59_; Anyway yeah Ryan hates me because I made him look bad in 2008

12:14 mjg59_; Oh ha yeah I forgot that Ryan then signed himself up with the spam service to pretend he was also attacked, but did so with a gmail address that wasn't the one he was using

12:14 mjg59_; And then when he blogged about how he was also a victim, he deleted the comment where I pointed that out

12:14 mjg59_; https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97535.html

=> ↺ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97535.html

12:14 TR Bot; What amuses me about complaints about censorship is that they often: mjg59 LiveJournal

12:15 reptilian_thrills; this channel is like every scene of b5 with gkar and londo, except on the set of days of our lives

12:15 mjg59_; I wouldn't actually hold a grudge about that except he still denies it

12:17 mjg59_; I mean maybe this is all about Ryan actually wanting to fuck me? It doesn't seem like that, though

12:17 reptilian_thrills; i dont think your his type

12:17 reptilian_thrills; e

12:17 mjg59_; Yeah I don't get that impression

12:17 mjg59_; It's not an unrequited lust situation

12:17 reptilian_thrills; i did join as ship_roy_and_mjg though

12:18 mjg59_; Awh he fell off so he's not going to see this and respond

12:18 reptilian_thrills; because the tension is ridiculous!

12:18 reptilian_thrills; even the golden gate bridge is like "damn!"

12:18 mjg59_; I do understand the perception there

12:19 TR News; "When there is a version upgrade, the 'init' script in the initrd creates a snapshot of the /mnt/wkg/.session folder as a 'rw-*.sfs' file. For example, when upgraded to Easy 4.4.1, /mnt/wkg/releases/easy-4.4.1/rw-4.4.1.sfs got created." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/cache-folders-excluded-from-snapshots.html

=> ↺ https://bkhome.org/news/202210/cache-folders-excluded-from-snapshots.html

12:19 reptilian_thrills; however, i dont think you have any "misplaced" feelings for roy

12:19 TR Bot; Cache folders excluded from snapshots

12:19 reptilian_thrills; as for roy, i mean hes one giant mystery, cant tell you what he really thinks

12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

12:22 TR News; This patch was FAST https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/166581519416722@kroah.com/

=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/166581519416722@kroah.com/

12:22 TR Bot; Linux 6.0.2 - Greg Kroah-Hartman

12:22 mjg59_; I can certainly attest to having no romantic or sexual feelings for roy

12:23 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: it's purely about 'secure boot' originally

12:23 schestowitz[TR]; then, years later, the attacks on LT and then RMS

12:23 mjg59_; Oh wow I'd forgotten that Ryan explicitly accused me of signing him up for Spamza

12:23 reptilian_thrills; and poor mr tso

12:24 reptilian_thrills; who seems alright to me

12:26 mjg59_; I think he was brutally wrong on one particular point, and I make no claim about that affecting any other aspect of his communication or behaviour

12:26 mjg59_; Also haha https://mjg59.livejournal.com/96848.html

=> ↺ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/96848.html

12:26 TR Bot; To the lovely person who subscribed me to around 200 mailing lists: mjg59 LiveJournal

12:27 TR News; (NEW): Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.gmi

=> ↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.shtml
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.gmi

12:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw

12:27 schestowitz[TR]; oooh, the cards have arrived with new PIN codes

12:27 schestowitz[TR]; on monday we'll carry about 2k pounds in coins/loose change

12:27 mjg59_; Awh the forum post isn't on the internet archive

12:28 schestowitz[TR]; like going to the arcade

12:29 TR News; "Trekarta is released as an open source Libre project under the GPL-3.0 License." https://medevel.com/trekarta/

=> ↺ https://medevel.com/trekarta/

12:29 TR Bot; Trekarta Is an Open Source App for Hiking, Cycling, and Off-road Activities

12:29 TR News; delete chromeos and install GNU/Linux https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/

=> ↺ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/

12:29 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/ )

=> ↺ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/

12:30 TR News; 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-digital-wallet-apps-for-android/

=> ↺ https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-digital-wallet-apps-for-android/

12:30 TR Bot; 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022

12:31 TR News; Openwashing and pro-software patents cartel are not the solution to this problem https://www.zdnet.com/finance/fintech-giant-the-clearing-house-joins-open-source-patent-protection-powerhouse-oin/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/finance/fintech-giant-the-clearing-house-joins-open-source-patent-protection-powerhouse-oin/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

12:31 TR Bot; giant The Clearing House joins open-source patent protection powerhouse OIN | ZDNET

12:33 TR News; NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy Source: The Verge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy

=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy

12:33 TR Bot; NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge

12:33 TR News; Espionage painted as "SECURITY!!" Metaverse LOLs. https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/10/metaverse-safety-week.html

=> ↺ https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/10/metaverse-safety-week.html

12:33 TR Bot; The Eponymous Pickle: Metaverse Safety Week Event

12:34 TR News; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee - Patrick Breyer https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/ Source: Patrick Breyer

=> ↺ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/

12:34 TR Bot; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer

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12:35 TR News; eBPF File Watching https://matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching Source: Matt Rickard | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching

=> ↺ https://matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching

12:35 TR Bot; eBPF File Watching

12:36 TR News; Why Is NixOS Popular Again? https://matt-rickard.com/why-is-nixos-popular-again

=> ↺ https://matt-rickard.com/why-is-nixos-popular-again

12:36 TR Bot; Why Is NixOS Popular Again?

12:37 TR News; The Old Computer Challenge 2022 https://box.matto.nl/the-old-computer-challenge-2022.html

=> ↺ https://box.matto.nl/the-old-computer-challenge-2022.html

12:37 TR Bot; Old Computer Challenge 2022 - box.matto.nl

12:38 TR News; "My plan was to draw one or two sprites for each industry type; tea tree farm, tea factory, tea house. If I had settled for that you'd probably be able to play with that mod right now." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-10-21-hours.html

=> ↺ https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-10-21-hours.html

12:38 TR Bot; 21 Hours - Bjrn Wrmedal

12:40 TR News; Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/limine-version-3202210141-compiled-in-oe.html

=> ↺ https://bkhome.org/news/202210/limine-version-3202210141-compiled-in-oe.html

12:40 TR Bot; Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE

12:40 TR News; "After a few busy and stressful months, I decided to set aside October to rest. Of course, for me, rest does not mean a cessation of programming, but rather a shift in priorities towards more fun and experimental projects. Consequently, it has been a great month for Helios!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/10/15/Status-update-October-2022.html

=> ↺ https://drewdevault.com/2022/10/15/Status-update-October-2022.html

12:40 TR Bot; Status update, October 2022

12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 124.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 107.80

1 PM, October 15

13:00 TR News; Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous https://tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/ Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/

=> ↺ https://tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/

13:00 TR Bot; Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous

13:01 TR News; "Both Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 and Plasma 5.26 have now hit Manjaro ARMs unstable branch, so it's time to get some testing in before it gets to stable branch." https://blog.strits.dk/plasma-5-26-and-plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/

=> ↺ https://blog.strits.dk/plasma-5-26-and-plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/

13:01 TR Bot; Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM

13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

13:37 MinceR; https://i.ibb.co/Fs4KPVc/311666518-547216697405301-3257991382648606889-n.jpg

=> ↺ https://i.ibb.co/Fs4KPVc/311666518-547216697405301-3257991382648606889-n.jpg

13:37 MinceR; nvm

13:37 schestowitz[TR]; ha

13:40 schestowitz[TR]; probably a home with kids of something

13:41 TR News; "I've been working with and on container technology for seven years, but I still learn new things every day." https://jmtd.net/log/podman_generate/

=> ↺ https://jmtd.net/log/podman_generate/

13:41 TR Bot; jmtd log podman generate

13:41 MinceR; the work laptop lets me experience what "modern" and "ready for the desktop" are like

13:41 TR News; Windows has BACK DOORS. Never ever use a password manager on Windows, no matter what software runs on it. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/

=> ↺ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/

13:41 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/ )

=> ↺ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/

13:41 MinceR; today it froze solid while resuming from hibernation

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13:41 MinceR; then it rebooted again

13:42 MinceR; i'm sure dehomag and MICROS~1 can implement both of these things in Gnome OS

13:42 MinceR; the audio stack being a useless pile of shit is probably already there thanks to poetteringaudio

13:44 schestowitz[TR]; fedora ambassador: lol, buy a new pc, neckbeard

13:45 MinceR; tell my employer to replace that laptop, then

13:45 schestowitz[TR]; :-)

13:45 MinceR; it's out of my hands :)

13:45 schestowitz[TR]; russian ambassar: get out of ukraine then

13:45 schestowitz[TR]; (to ukrainians)

13:45 MinceR; no u

13:46 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi

=> ↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi

13:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos

13:47 TR News; [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u

=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u

13:47 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1

13:48 TR News; Pulse Sensor with Raspberry PI Pico: Hearth Beat Chech with MicroPython https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/

=> ↺ https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/

13:48 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ )

=> ↺ https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/

13:49 TR News; 6 Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/ Source: Linux Links | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/

=> ↺ https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/

13:49 TR Bot; Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks

13:50 TR News; "In my quest to build my Offline-First typewriter, Im developing Offpunk, an offline-first, command-line based Gemini client (forked from AV-98 by Solderpunk)." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/

=> ↺ gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/

2 PM, October 15

14:02 MinceR; (nsfw) https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/kiddickman.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-kiddickman#comic )

=> ↺ https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/kiddickman.png
=> ↺ https://explosm.net/comics/dave-kiddickman#comic

14:02 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

14:14 schestowitz[TR]; [bill gates clicks]

14:14 schestowitz[TR]; no...

14:14 schestowitz[TR]; [rick allen jones clicks]

14:15 schestowitz[TR]; [and saves to portable disk]

14:17 MinceR; (dog) https://i.ibb.co/JRQ3V6g/unknown-133.png

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14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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3 PM, October 15

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15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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16:17 whitenigga; hey dawgs

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16:33 starstreak; linucks btw

16:34 whitenigga; linucks?

16:36 starstreak; linux is pronounced "linucks"

16:39 whitenigga; lol dawg

16:43 starstreak; attack surface

16:43 starstreak; there should be an easier way to insert emojis

16:43 starstreak; i have to copy pasta them

16:45 whitenigga; starstreak: dawg, im surprised im seeing them. im on a terminal and irssi

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16:52 starstreak; unicode btw

16:55 schestowitz; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774

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16:55 TR Bot; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features

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16:57 TR News; GINYSTR Wordo: PUFFY gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-15.gmi

=> ↺ gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-15.gmi

16:57 TR News; (NEW): Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.gmi

=> ↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.shtml
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.gmi

16:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions

16:58 whitenigga; https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/tech/apple-store-union-oklahoma/index.html

=> ↺ https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/tech/apple-store-union-oklahoma/index.html

16:58 TR Bot; at second Apple store vote to join union | CNN Business

16:58 TR News; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774

=> ↺ https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.36

5 PM, October 15

17:00 starstreak; https://www.businessinsider.com/equifax-fires-employees-for-working-two-jobs-2022-10

=> ↺ https://www.businessinsider.com/equifax-fires-employees-for-working-two-jobs-2022-10

17:00 TR Bot; Equifax Fires Employees for Working Two Jobs

17:10 TR News; Fake 'rich' people (or people deep in debt) like to openly brag that they are "rich" as long as that lasts (the pretence is all they have going for them). Rich people tend to keep more quiet about it. There are exceptions to all this, but in "modern society" it has become prevalent.

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17:43 psydruid; Corporations trying to control people in an era in which those very same corporations are obsolete

17:43 psydruid; "Rich" people can have as many "jobs" as they want but employees must be owned 100% of the time

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17:58 reptilian_thrills; gee tee kay, or as i call it, jitik

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17:58 reptilian_thrills; jitik is part of the TROLL desktop

17:59 reptilian_thrills; theres a fork called mate, which stands for "mate is your mate, but troll just wants to bend you over"

6 PM, October 15

18:00 reptilian_thrills; theyre waiting for enough people to like troll, then theyll scrap it and make it worse

18:00 reptilian_thrills; then when people who liked it are sad, theyll call them neckbeards which isnt racist

18:02 reptilian_thrills; troll 3 is more than a decade old, troll 5 is better, it only needs 12 cores

18:03 reptilian_thrills; (troll doesnt actually needs lots of cores, it likes ram though)

18:03 reptilian_thrills; alternatively troll will just become the desktop environment in systemd

18:04 reptilian_thrills; systemd-trolld

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18:07 starstreak; linucks btw :D

18:07 reptilian_thrills; systemd-linucksd

18:08 reptilian_thrills; roy told me yesterday, i might end up with bsd/alpine

18:08 reptilian_thrills; i told him i can think of worse things

18:09 starstreak; did openbsd put code on github?

18:09 reptilian_thrills; openbsd has a mirror-- funnily enough, i once thought openbsd was on github

18:09 reptilian_thrills; someone said "thats just a mirror" and i checked, and they were right

18:09 starstreak; ahh like haiku

18:09 reptilian_thrills; this was before wesley snipes (and before i switched to bsd)

18:09 reptilian_thrills; like haiku

18:09 reptilian_thrills; <- exactly like haiku, except

18:10 starstreak; gnome is hosted on gitlab

18:10 reptilian_thrills; with openbsd i had trusted wikipedia. this was back when my github radar was very new and unsophisticated

18:10 reptilian_thrills; yes, troll is hosted on gitlab

18:10 reptilian_thrills; after someone pointed out that openbsd was on github i audited my entire list of like 100 or so items

18:11 reptilian_thrills; by hand

18:11 reptilian_thrills; i found like 3 or maybe 4 items that were mirrors or otherwise a mistake

18:11 reptilian_thrills; so it was pretty accurate but more accuracy is better

18:12 reptilian_thrills; with haiku i simply remembered a project being github based because they had a repo there

18:13 reptilian_thrills; but its a true mirror, and i dont count those. anybody can copy a freesw project to a mirror

18:13 reptilian_thrills; and people frequently do

18:15 reptilian_thrills; everything written in perl is under a perl license

18:15 reptilian_thrills; but there is no perl license

18:16 reptilian_thrills; isnt that weird

18:16 starstreak; everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway

18:16 starstreak; thats probably why

18:17 reptilian_thrills; everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway <- autistic lesbians can say that

18:17 reptilian_thrills; at least irish autistic lesbians can

18:17 starstreak;

18:18 starstreak; did your irc client process that emoji?

18:18 reptilian_thrills; nice hat

18:18 starstreak; its a halo

18:18 starstreak; im an angel

18:18 reptilian_thrills; id sooner believe its a hat :)

18:19 reptilian_thrills; /me has a halo too O:)

18:19 reptilian_thrills; though from here it looks a bit like a mike and ike

18:19 starstreak;

18:19 reptilian_thrills; i should probably say mike and icke

18:19 starstreak; icke <3

18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

18:20 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rD5He3U-te0

=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rD5He3U-te0

18:20 TR Bot; Trip Through Your Wires (Remastered 2007) - Invidious

18:20 starstreak;

18:21 starstreak; i have to copy and paste these from a website lol

18:21 reptilian_thrills; not me

18:21 reptilian_thrills;

18:21 starstreak; thank god for unicode

18:21 reptilian_thrills; thank god for unicode <- im more likely to worship satan than thank god for unicode

18:22 starstreak; whats wrong with worshipping Satan?

18:22 reptilian_thrills; of course theres very little difference, unicode is digital satanism

18:22 reptilian_thrills; whats wrong with worshipping Satan <- i dunno, it makes the baby jesus cry

18:22 reptilian_thrills; so does unicode

18:22 starstreak; Satan is a badass

18:22 starstreak; the first rebel

18:22 reptilian_thrills; if you like satan you should probably like dfc too

18:23 starstreak; nah

18:23 starstreak; satan doesn't even like nazis

18:23 reptilian_thrills; ha

18:23 reptilian_thrills; fair point

18:23 reptilian_thrills; the first rebel <- does he have a flag

18:23 reptilian_thrills; id ask if he was alt-right but you were inb4 ben shapiro

18:24 reptilian_thrills; theres just one problem, ben! whos gonna worship alt-right satan, aquaman?

18:24 reptilian_thrills; /me pictures aquaman doing a black mass

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18:26 starstreak; nazi furries: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg

=> ↺ https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg

18:26 reptilian_thrills; i had a bartender once who was wearing a shirt that said "angel or devil?"

18:26 reptilian_thrills; which i thought was a great shirt for a bartender because of the song

18:26 reptilian_thrills; "angel or devil, i was thirsty, and you wet my lips"

18:27 reptilian_thrills; bono is a guilty pleasure. hes the jersey short of musicians

18:27 reptilian_thrills; shore

18:27 reptilian_thrills; jersey short is a remake with just little people

18:27 reptilian_thrills; its like the wizard of oz but mafia

18:27 reptilian_thrills; /me is going to get a horse head on his pillow

18:28 reptilian_thrills; or a pony.

18:30 reptilian_thrills; jersey short is a remake with just little people <- peter dinklage plays ronnie

18:32 whitenigga; midgets are hot dawg

18:32 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6_W_xLWtNa0

=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6_W_xLWtNa0

18:32 TR Bot; Shy Ronnie 2: Ronnie & Clyde (feat. Rihanna) - Invidious

18:32 whitenigga; there is this hot female midget at my grocery store

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18:33 whitenigga; i dont have the confidence to ask her out

18:33 whitenigga; i'd love to bang a midget

18:33 reptilian_thrills; midget bangerz #11

18:33 whitenigga; pornhub has quite a lot of midget videos

18:34 reptilian_thrills; but when i look for them there i alwaye come up short

18:34 whitenigga; LOL

18:34 reptilian_thrills; rihanna should wear that every day

18:35 reptilian_thrills; in fact she should give up music (not that shes terrible by any means) and just rob banks, that would be awesome

18:35 reptilian_thrills; if i was a bank id give her all my money

18:35 whitenigga; i wouldn't even press the robbery button

18:36 whitenigga; no dye packs for her either

18:37 reptilian_thrills; HAHAAAAAAAA!

18:37 *starstreak vapes and blows a cloud of smoke into the channel

18:38 whitenigga; i can't get enough of that midget booty

18:38 whitenigga; mmmmmmmmmm

18:38 reptilian_thrills; TOODALOOOO

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18:39 starstreak; i use arch linux btw

18:39 reptilian_thrills; linucks

18:39 starstreak; attack surface <3

18:39 reptilian_thrills; phanes is here for jersey short

18:39 *whitenigga imagines slapping the booty of a midget

18:39 whitenigga; lord have mercy

18:40 *phanes starts placing bets on how many packages he's installed from "reputable repos" that ended up being malware

18:40 phanes; re: arch linux

18:40 starstreak; im a she

18:40 phanes; whatever

18:41 starstreak; i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg

=> ↺ https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg

18:41 reptilian_thrills; /me thought phanes was referring to himself

18:41 phanes; why is it always nazis with you people

18:42 whitenigga; lol starstreak, thats cooooold blooded

18:42 reptilian_thrills; and only one of them is a wolf?

18:42 reptilian_thrills; why is it always nazis with you people <- because mike godwin is dead

18:43 whitenigga; godwin's law doesn't apply anymore because of all the actual nazis

18:43 reptilian_thrills; i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg <- wait, this isnt the KISS reunion tour

=> ↺ https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg

18:43 phanes; godwin's law doesn't apply because godwin was only attached to the center of human consciousness while he was alive and when he died we lost memes

18:43 phanes; forever

18:44 reptilian_thrills; simmons: i support invading every middle eastern country EXCEPT israel of course

18:44 phanes; all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic but we're really all just passing around the corpses of memes

18:44 reptilian_thrills; all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic <- not me, im years behind on this shit

18:44 whitenigga; sounds like phanes is a nerd dawg

18:44 reptilian_thrills; i just discovered OPPALANCE OPPALANCE like 2 days ago

18:45 reptilian_thrills; i say it walking down the street waving my arms around

18:45 reptilian_thrills; "you own everthing!"

18:46 reptilian_thrills; /me is the meme equivalent of anne hathaway in devil wears prada wearing a bargain bin shirt that meryl streep put at the forefront years before

18:48 reptilian_thrills; i just discovered hawaiian shirts are a thing

18:48 phanes; thats because you live in a cave

18:48 reptilian_thrills; close enough, ive never been on the internets

18:48 starstreak; thats because he uses openbsd

18:48 reptilian_thrills; rofl

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18:49 reptilian_thrills; thats because he uses openbsd <- hey i had to wait for a driver for my nic ok

18:49 phanes; lol

18:49 reptilian_thrills; i spent a decade or so trying to get wireless to gave up and then i discovered ethernet

18:50 reptilian_thrills; to be fair part of that was in freebsd

18:50 reptilian_thrills; /me checks to make sure the coax on his network card isnt loose

18:51 reptilian_thrills; i was using a null modem cable on rs232 but it turns out thats pretty slow

18:53 phanes; honestly freebsd is a fine system for personal use or even server use if you don't try to scale out

18:53 phanes; linux is in the process of being hijacked

18:54 reptilian_thrills; linux is in the process of being hijacked <- thats why i bailed

18:54 MinceR; if you don't mind the CoC, the MICROS~1 and crApple influence, and the community being mostly Backdoors and crapOS users desperately looking for some street cred

18:54 reptilian_thrills; if i thought i could stop this by staying with penguinshit i would stick around longer

18:54 MinceR; FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was

18:54 reptilian_thrills; FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso

18:55 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=16na-CG5skA

=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=16na-CG5skA

18:55 TR Bot; Penguin poops on friend - Invidious

18:55 MinceR; 15 195436 < reptilian_thrills> FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso

18:55 MinceR; MICROS~1 and crApple influence, then they forced a CoC on the project

18:56 phanes; its not just the CoC

18:56 phanes; the CoC is a strategic resource placement and PR tool

18:56 reptilian_thrills; fwiw i believe they dialed down the coc to remove the worst bullshit

18:56 MinceR; yeah, for the occupying corporations

18:56 reptilian_thrills; this isnt a pro-coc stance

18:56 reptilian_thrills; but they also develop their package management on github

18:57 reptilian_thrills; of freebsd and netbsd and openbsd, freebsd is the most github-entrenched

18:57 reptilian_thrills; roy implied they were considering leaving, which may be true, but i doubt they ever left

18:57 MinceR; a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits

18:57 reptilian_thrills; a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits <- this is the general problem with cocs

18:58 reptilian_thrills; they exist for one alleged purpose and are invariably used to cancel people who make trouble for corporations

18:58 reptilian_thrills; tso, stallman, appelbaum

18:58 reptilian_thrills; it turns out the progressive side of the tech industry consists entirely of people who have violated mjgs partner in some fashion

18:58 reptilian_thrills; which im not saying didnt happen

18:58 reptilian_thrills; but thats pretty bizarre

18:59 MinceR; i don't even know what "progressive" means

18:59 reptilian_thrills; thats why youre miserable and cynical and misanthropic

18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 43.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.06

18:59 reptilian_thrills; but, it may be the other way around-- you might be those things BECAUSE you dont know what progressive means

18:59 reptilian_thrills; wait, i said that already

18:59 reptilian_thrills; anyway, strike that, reverse it

7 PM, October 15

19:00 reptilian_thrills; actually its because youre an anarchist

19:00 MinceR; sounds like "progressive" means "delusional"

19:00 whitenigga; yo dawg thats pretty harsh

19:00 reptilian_thrills; whcih is a perfectly reasonable thing to be in theory

19:01 *phanes puts on some progressive rock

19:01 *starstreak runs an age detection algorithm

19:01 reptilian_thrills; but in practice it means "lets fix the world OOH SHINY THINGS-- HEY EVERYBODY STONE HIM, HE SAID RACIST THINGS ABOUT JEHOVAH!"

19:01 reptilian_thrills; "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." everybody throws rocks

19:01 *starstreak reads the screen, it has determined that phanes is in fact a boomer

19:01 phanes; im only 37

19:02 starstreak; why do you act like a boomer?

19:02 reptilian_thrills; /me met a guy who is only 37 the other day, it must be phanes

19:02 starstreak; what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock

19:02 reptilian_thrills; what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock <- lol :D

19:02 phanes; my gen is xennials

19:02 phanes; we're kind of between the Xers and the Mers

19:03 starstreak; fair enough

19:03 phanes; we watched it all grow up

19:03 phanes; you guys just use the shit we built

19:03 starstreak; im the same age tho and i like shit like rap, pop and synthwave

19:03 reptilian_thrills; you guys just use the shit we built <- ok THATS boomer talk right there

19:03 starstreak; im also 37

19:03 phanes; eh? use anything that doesn't rest on the C layer of your OS lately?

19:04 reptilian_thrills; hell thats the boomer santa song that chevy sang in community

19:04 starstreak; i use arch/systemd/gnome btw

19:04 phanes; cue the shitposting about how rust and go have really made viable foundational progress despite having never breached the niche wall

19:04 reptilian_thrills; baby boomer santa! i give you the WORLD!

19:04 starstreak; go is fun

19:04 phanes; or having formed a standard with which the language can evolve

19:05 reptilian_thrills; you guys just use the shit we built https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OOSOGB406Ec

=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OOSOGB406Ec

19:05 TR Bot; Baby Boomer Santa | Community - Invidious

19:05 phanes; you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers

19:05 phanes; know any mellinials who are building viable kernels?

19:06 phanes; at this point we have the highest hopes for your kids

19:06 phanes; maybe their kids

19:06 starstreak; theres probably a lot of millenials working on linux

19:06 phanes; boomer poop

19:06 reptilian_thrills; "your generation INVENTED music!"

19:06 reptilian_thrills; "i dunno about invented... perfected maybe"

19:07 starstreak; haiku os

19:07 phanes; we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities that can't focus on anything long enough to earn the status they cry-scream demands to be given

19:07 reptilian_thrills; "santa fought at woodstock, and vietnam, and smoked a tonne of acid..."

19:07 reptilian_thrills; we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities <- thats mostly the an-coms though

19:08 phanes; ive put up with shit on the reg since the 90s that would break most of y'all lol

19:08 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy

19:08 reptilian_thrills; i dunno man i grew up being tortured and terrorised on a daily basis

19:08 reptilian_thrills; reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy <- nothing actually

19:09 starstreak; down with tankies

19:09 reptilian_thrills; down with tankies <- if only

19:09 reptilian_thrills; but an-coms are into friendly fire, they always miss the tankies.

19:09 starstreak; centrists are the worst tho

19:10 reptilian_thrills; "hey guys, look, tankies" "hold on, let me reload i just pumped 8 magazines into my comrades"

19:10 reptilian_thrills; yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists

19:10 phanes; centrists are fine

19:10 starstreak; What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall!

19:10 phanes; you can't get rid of the normies

19:10 reptilian_thrills; What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall! <- maybe he save perl (just kidding)

19:11 reptilian_thrills; you can't get rid of the normies <- we can frame them for hate crimes

19:11 starstreak; lol no reptilian_thrills

19:11 starstreak; i got the best idea

19:11 reptilian_thrills; tso is innocent

19:11 phanes; yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further

19:11 phanes; which is notably nonexistent but still

19:11 starstreak; once the revolution is over, the centrists will participate in the first annual hunger games

19:11 reptilian_thrills; yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes

19:11 phanes; keep your options opoen

19:11 phanes; *open

19:12 reptilian_thrills; #techrights : 10/15/22 18:11 <reptilian_thrills> yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- im only humourously endorsing what has already happened

19:12 reptilian_thrills; in protest

19:13 reptilian_thrills; but the more i humourously endorse it the more i outline whats stupid about it in fine detail

19:13 phanes; the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth

19:13 reptilian_thrills; for example: yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes

19:13 phanes; it doesn't sound like much but imagine if all their adversaries did that

19:13 reptilian_thrills; the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth <- and thats why starstreak mistook me for you

19:13 reptilian_thrills; i dont. she did.

19:14 phanes; no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist

19:14 phanes; in your case you should lie about that

19:14 reptilian_thrills; no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist <- crazy perhaps. flat earth no. lizard people (nicks aside) no. youre confusing me with starstreak.

19:14 reptilian_thrills; <- not an icke guy

19:14 phanes; one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying

19:14 starstreak; earth isn't flat

19:15 reptilian_thrills; one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying <- and yet ive agreed with every point youve made about cocs and cancel culture

19:15 starstreak; " one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying" <- he says right after calling me crazy

19:16 reptilian_thrills; he says right after calling me crazy <- thats true

19:16 phanes; so if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy, out of the gate you're reduced to either being crazy or a liar. you disqualify yourself from the struggles of civilization immediately with it.

19:16 phanes; surely you know this already

19:16 starstreak; i've done the research and it all points underground

19:17 phanes; lol

19:17 reptilian_thrills; if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy <- and if i dont?

19:17 starstreak; as above, so below

19:17 phanes; that's not even close to what that phrase means starstreak

19:17 starstreak; the phrase has multiple meanings

19:17 phanes; yes and you know none of them

19:17 starstreak; its masonic

19:17 reptilian_thrills; also im not sure sanity is a prerequisite for fixing the world

19:18 reptilian_thrills; youd have to be crazy to think its possible and crazier to try

19:18 phanes; there are different kinds of crazy

19:18 whitenigga; starstreak: you're one crazy nigga

19:18 reptilian_thrills; there are different kinds of craz <- this is one of my theses

19:18 reptilian_thrills; crazy isnt optional. theres only better kinds of crazy and worse kinds-- the key is to go for a better kind.

19:19 starstreak; autizmophrenia

19:19 starstreak; a combination of autism and schitzophrenia

19:19 phanes; there's "i think we can make a positive impact on society" crazy and "I think sentient lizards control invisible reigns of human civilization in their unending war with underground neanderthals, because hollow earth" crazy, which comes with a whole bunch of other crazy as the mind disease worsens

19:19 starstreak; thats the kind you want

19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

19:20 starstreak; the moon is hollow too

19:20 phanes; lol

19:20 starstreak; its a space station

19:20 starstreak; it mind controls the planet

19:20 phanes; i really hope you're just joking and that you aren't this batshit crazy

19:20 reptilian_thrills; autizmophrenia <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lpreoBdQ8cs

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19:21 TR Bot; Phoenix - Lisztomania (Music Video) - Invidious

19:21 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I

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19:21 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I

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19:21 starstreak; Autizmophrenia, the ultimate in neurodivergence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I

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19:23 reptilian_thrills; high functioning autistics really only need the right circumstances lent to them for them to help save the world

19:23 phanes; not really

19:23 reptilian_thrills; of course you could replace "high functioning autistics" with quite a few other groups in that phrase

19:23 reptilian_thrills; not really <- thats one hell of a refutation

19:23 phanes; most high functioning autists would destroy everything theyve ever loved if they had an influence over anything

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19:24 reptilian_thrills; if they had an influence <- influence comes in degrees

19:24 starstreak; :(

19:24 phanes; most high functioning neurotypicals would destroy everything they love too

19:24 reptilian_thrills; your rhetoric implies they would be better off chained up to a wall

19:24 reptilian_thrills; of course this is a false dichotomoy-- but thats exactly my point

19:24 starstreak; im autistic

19:24 phanes; not chained to a wall, just....not in charge

19:24 reptilian_thrills; not chained to a wall, just....not in charge <- youre halfway there already

19:24 phanes; im not autistic but alot of normies think i am

19:25 reptilian_thrills; who should be in charge

19:25 reptilian_thrills; im not autistic but alot of normies think i am <- too much credit

19:25 reptilian_thrills; youre like a horseshoe theory normie-- so normie you seem like a savant

19:25 phanes; maybe

19:25 reptilian_thrills; "hes almost autistically normie"

19:26 phanes; thing is though

19:26 reptilian_thrills; <reptilian_thrills> who should be in charge

19:26 phanes; i can go into /most/ areas that are dominated by HFAs

19:26 phanes; and run circles around most of them

19:26 reptilian_thrills; and run circles around most of them <- so can any narcissist

19:26 reptilian_thrills; and while you dont yet strike me as a narcissist

19:26 phanes; not quite a polymath, i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want

19:26 reptilian_thrills; some of your rhetoric is hard to explain any other way

19:27 phanes; some attributes of narcissism are positive traits

19:27 phanes; i haver studied them a great deal

19:27 phanes; *have

19:27 reptilian_thrills; i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want <- sounds like grayden from what planet are you from

19:27 reptilian_thrills; he has a highly evolved mind that can heal any wound

19:27 reptilian_thrills; so john goodman shoots him in the head and he dies

19:28 reptilian_thrills; "i always thought that heal any wound thing was bullshit"-- one of the aliens

19:28 phanes; yeah if a divergence emerges that can do that, the immediate response would probably be to kill it tbh

19:28 reptilian_thrills; missing the point that he was making it up

19:29 phanes; ok

19:29 reptilian_thrills; it was a bluff

19:29 phanes; i mean

19:29 phanes; i dont like

19:29 reptilian_thrills; "dont bother attacking me, im invincible"

19:29 phanes; need your validation man

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19:31 MinceR; 15 200140 < reptilian_thrills> "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." everybody throws rocks

19:31 MinceR; Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'.

19:31 phanes; lol

19:31 MinceR; 15 200520 < phanes> you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers

19:31 MinceR; ew

19:32 phanes; its true though lol

19:32 MinceR; 15 201011 < reptilian_thrills> yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists

19:32 MinceR; don't worry, all of the human species are working on it

19:32 phanes; they destroyed their kids but they built the world with scales that haven't been reproduced

19:33 MinceR; all the humans will be destroyed. including the centrists.

19:34 phanes; i wonder if they pull his internet connection on days he doesn't take his schizoid meds

19:34 MinceR; whose

19:35 phanes; whoever that nutjob i was just talking to is

19:35 MinceR; lol

19:35 MinceR; no, he just comes and goes

19:35 starstreak; reptilian_thrills is a nutjob?

19:35 MinceR; he's one of the saner people here, afaict

19:35 starstreak; i guess everyone is a nutjob

19:35 phanes; sorry i might be confusing people. isn't he the lizard people one

19:35 starstreak; he says im a nutjob

19:35 starstreak; phanes, im the one with the conspiracy website

19:36 Helenah; o.o

19:36 phanes; oh, i misunderstood. i misattributed to someone else the batshit insanity that belongs to you.

19:36 starstreak; phanes, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/neanderthal-agenda.html

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19:36 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations - The Neanderthal Agenda

19:36 phanes; im not clicking on that

19:37 starstreak; reptilian_thrills is actually matey

19:38 whitenigga; starstreak: dawg that shit is crazy yo

19:38 MinceR; hi not clicking on that, i'm dad

19:38 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights

19:38 reptilian_thrills; anyway its shallow ableist thinking that honestly belives hfas cant be in charge

19:38 MinceR; lol

19:38 phanes; seems like i was reading an article a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away that people who believe they were abducted by aliens, believe in lizard people and all that are dealing wiht repressed traumatic events involving much more mundane circumstances that theyre not processing

19:38 Helenah; https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg

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19:38 MinceR; what's "hfas"?

19:39 reptilian_thrills; it shows shallow thinking about hfas-- shallow thinking about what "in charge" means, and a shallow (selective) take on history

19:39 reptilian_thrills; particularly of the free software movement.

19:39 phanes; Helenah, is that a tumor?

19:39 Helenah; phanes: Yep

19:39 reptilian_thrills; phipps would sympathise but his thinking belongs in a prison camp

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19:39 phanes; Helenah, dammit i was hoping you'd pull a schwarzeneggar ITS NOT A TUMAH

19:39 phanes; sorry to hear that. malignant?

19:39 MinceR; lol

19:39 Helenah; I put the green circle there to get people to focus on where they should be looking.

19:39 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights

19:39 reptilian_thrills; mincer: high functioning autistics

19:40 starstreak; welcome back reptilian_thrills

19:40 MinceR; ic

19:40 Helenah; phanes: Maybe I'm not human but instead humanoid. :3

19:40 MinceR; i think no one should be in charge

19:40 reptilian_thrills; i think no one should be in charge <- thats why i kept asking phanes who should be in charge

19:40 reptilian_thrills; man dominates man to his own detriment

19:40 phanes; reptilian_thrills, what is shallow thinking is the belief that humans don't align to sociopolitical hierarchies at an instinctual level with drivers that can't be overcome without destroying everyone

19:40 MinceR; and i will have my way, but probably through a really painful process

19:41 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think smashing archy is the answer

19:41 MinceR; it will smash itself

19:41 reptilian_thrills; i think archy is a bomb, and if you smash it we die

19:41 reptilian_thrills; if you disarm it and then dismantle it, great.

19:41 MinceR; and once all the humans are dead, none of them will be able to be in charge of anything or anyone

19:41 reptilian_thrills; it will smash itself <- yeah but you dont care if we die

19:41 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I'm an HFA. :3

19:41 reptilian_thrills; youve already accepted the worse option

19:41 MinceR; i do care, but i don't have significant control over it

19:41 reptilian_thrills; others would like to disarm and dismantle it

19:42 reptilian_thrills; i do care <- ok but some people who care havent given up yet

19:42 MinceR; too bad, they don't have significant control over it either

19:42 phanes; what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life

19:42 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Accepted what worse option?

19:42 reptilian_thrills; and theyre PROBABLY deluded, but if they try thats a good kind of deluded, especially if theres any chance of it working

19:42 reptilian_thrills; what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life

19:42 reptilian_thrills; <- oh im against mandatory happiness

19:42 MinceR; well, might as well pass the time in some way

19:42 MinceR; it doesn't hurt to try

19:42 reptilian_thrills; its a vice

19:43 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: Friend Computer disapproves.

19:43 *Helenah is confused

19:43 reptilian_thrills; mandatory happiness is mind control, gaslighting, bullying

19:43 Helenah; I'm not sure what I've accepted...

19:43 phanes; pursuing happiness and joy is a fiend mindset

19:43 MinceR; is it?

19:43 phanes; yes

19:43 reptilian_thrills; "im sorry you were beaten and raped. just be positive!"

19:43 Helenah; Right, well I'm still confused! :D

19:43 MinceR; sounds like there are even more fiends than i thought there were

19:43 phanes; it's the same mentality that wants to rob you and sell your things to buy meth

19:44 MinceR; including nonhumans

19:44 reptilian_thrills; "really if you put your mind to it everything will be fine"

19:44 Helenah; So please clear up the confusion! :3

19:44 reptilian_thrills; there are even more fiends than i thought there were <- personally im not surprised

19:44 Helenah; Or I'm just going to flush this entire conversation out of my brain and it will be to me like it never happened.

19:45 MinceR; lol

19:45 reptilian_thrills; i have faith in humanity, but ive seen a lot of fiends.

19:45 reptilian_thrills; i know more are lurking

19:45 reptilian_thrills; only i figured out its not the majority of humanity so its cool

19:45 reptilian_thrills; if you spend too much time around liars it makes you cynical

19:45 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Seriously dude, ignoring me just isn't cool...

19:45 reptilian_thrills; and liars ARE "in charge"

19:45 phanes; i want to say most people are just oxygen conversion machines peppered with moments of experience

19:46 reptilian_thrills; thats why its so fucking dubious that phanes focuses on the neurodiverse when all the cunts destroying the world are normies

19:46 reptilian_thrills; (except the an-coms. but its complicated)

19:46 reptilian_thrills; we need the an-coms, imo.

19:46 phanes; i have no issue with the neurodiverse

19:46 phanes; i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time

19:46 reptilian_thrills; but theres a nuance

19:46 reptilian_thrills; and they dont do nuance well, which is why theyre always saying nuance

19:46 Helenah; phanes: Explain?

19:46 reptilian_thrills; i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time <- thats fair but also makes the whole thing a bit moot

19:47 reptilian_thrills; they ARENT in charge most of the time

19:47 reptilian_thrills; they likely never would be

19:47 Helenah; Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles.

19:47 phanes; Helenah, HFAs tend to lack empathy which is a critical experiential component of leadership

19:47 Helenah; And they can actaully make very good leaders.

19:47 reptilian_thrills; unless you mean a real example-- like something non-theretical

19:47 Helenah; phanes: I definitely have empathy.

19:47 reptilian_thrills; at that point we dont have to argue about abstractions

19:47 reptilian_thrills; we can just talk about history

19:47 reptilian_thrills; the best example is stallman, and the whole movement is a dumpster fire that spent decades trying to dethrone him

19:48 reptilian_thrills; granted he should have stepped down. just not entirely.

19:48 reptilian_thrills; and not under any circumstances like this dumpster fire

19:48 phanes; he is someone that needs to delegate portions of his leadership to cover his blind spots

19:48 phanes; and doesn't have the sense to

19:48 reptilian_thrills; the whole movement <- which no longer exists

19:48 phanes; because he struggles with empathy

19:48 Helenah; Oh dear...

19:48 reptilian_thrills; because he struggles with empathy <- its a shame you dont understand autism better

19:48 reptilian_thrills; most people dont

19:48 MinceR; 15 204707 < Helenah> Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles.

19:49 Helenah; Stallman will shoot someone down for their differences in a heart beat just for the sake of it...

19:49 MinceR; no one is

19:49 Helenah; And yep he really lacks empathy.

19:49 phanes; not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about

19:49 MinceR; "leadership" is one of the most harmful memes inhabiting humans

19:49 Helenah; He can't even try to place himself in someone elses shoes and try to imagine what it would be like.

19:49 reptilian_thrills; not everyone who says things you don't like <- strawman

19:49 reptilian_thrills; what youre saying isnt entirely accurate

19:49 reptilian_thrills; its not about preference

19:49 Helenah; So therefore he can never have a true understanding of other peoples differences.

19:49 Helenah; This extends into misogyny with him btw.

19:50 reptilian_thrills; sometimes youre going to meet someone who knows more about a subject (or an aspect of that subject) than you do

19:50 phanes; Helenah, exactly why he needs to use a reverential leadership style that delegates most of the decisions to others

19:50 reptilian_thrills; you dont seem prepared for that to happen

19:50 reptilian_thrills; you seem used to being right about everything

19:50 reptilian_thrills; or more right

19:50 phanes; reptilian_thrills, happens all the time. it just isn't happening now.

19:50 Helenah; 18:49:11 phanes | not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about

19:50 reptilian_thrills; ok well youre only 37

19:50 *phanes shrugs

19:50 reptilian_thrills; when you grow up youll understand better

19:50 Helenah; I'm not sure if the "like" thing was because you interpreted me as not liking something you said.

19:51 Helenah; But I for certain haven't once been hurt.

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19:51 phanes; Helenah, no that was directed to reptilian_thrills

19:51 Helenah; Oh!

19:52 Helenah; Yes, I agree with that but even the top most members of the board would prefer to favour him over members of the organisation under themselves so a lot of people need removing even if he is to change his ways of doing leadership.

19:52 phanes; Helenah, and to stallman's credit on that topic, he was hit with some stuff that takes a rather nuanced and adversarial perspective to navigate

19:52 Helenah; hmm

19:54 Helenah; Well I wouldn't fault the guy 100% but he has done things which is asking for trouble such as the time when he picked his toes and ate whatever he got off them, skin, nail, whatever. It wasn't his action that was the problem, it was the time and place it was done in, the fact that he was the centre of attention by lots of people.

19:54 phanes; of course

19:54 Helenah; And most people don't want to watch someone else pick at their feet.

19:54 Helenah; And you're bound to have people saying things to him.

19:54 phanes; the pedo email thread was...unfortunate

19:54 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights

19:55 reptilian_thrills; i mean if i wanted to talk to simon phipps i could just talk to simon phipps

19:55 reptilian_thrills; i dont need this cheap cloying knockoff version

19:55 Helenah; pedophilia is very taboo, just talking about it can get you into a lot of shit even if your points are valid and even right.

19:55 phanes; he should've had the self awareness to realize what he was stepping into as he explored his morality internally

19:55 reptilian_thrills; be careful or youll end up like eric s raymond

19:55 phanes; what's wrong with ESR

19:55 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Explain?

19:56 Helenah; And what's with the constant stream of vagueness?

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19:57 Helenah; Oh yeah I forgot, I'm just wasting my time asking you questions, you pretend I'm not even here.

19:57 Helenah; So the question I asked? It doesn't matter, forget it.

19:57 phanes; ive walked into hit jobs where groups were asking questions designed to fabricate a scandal to try to exploit what they would perceive as a moral chink in the armor, but recognized it and responded in a way that revealed their intent

19:58 phanes; stallman can't do that

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19:58 phanes; because he doesn't have the self-awareness and empathy

19:58 phanes; this is why I say HFAs struggle with leadership of humans

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19:58 MinceR; so what

19:58 phanes; or is rather a great example of why

19:58 MinceR; sociopaths lack both too

19:59 MinceR; and yet they lead most people

19:59 phanes; sociopaths or psychopaths

19:59 MinceR; (incredibly badly, but most people don't seem to mind)

19:59 reptilian_thrills; its funny how alt-right bullshit is so mainstream now

19:59 MinceR; afaict the former

19:59 phanes; sociopaths generally tend to destroy themselves before they get too far into a leadership track

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19:59 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream

19:59 reptilian_thrills; i mean its the pendulum swing, the pendulum took the fucking dmt

8 PM, October 15

20:00 MinceR; :)

20:00 Helenah; sociopaths and psychopaths can actually be helped with CBT but most don't recognise they have a condition and one needs to recognise things in them are an issue before they'll get help with them.

20:00 reptilian_thrills; reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream <- fairest point made this week

20:00 Helenah; There are success stories out there

20:00 MinceR; Cock/Ball Torture?

20:00 *phanes reads CBT as "cock and ball torture"

20:00 reptilian_thrills; cognitive behavioural therapy

20:00 phanes; haha beat me to it

20:00 reptilian_thrills; or sth like that

20:00 Helenah; MinceR: It's not ABA, ABA is cruel.

20:00 MinceR; there's also "Computer Based Training" but i haven't seen that used in decades...

20:00 phanes; what about ABBA?

20:00 Helenah; Though sociopathy and psychopathy are usually brought on by a childhood so it can remit when a trauma happens again later in life.

20:00 phanes; oh shit my boomer is showing

20:01 reptilian_thrills; phanes is to psych what roy is to covid

20:01 reptilian_thrills; he should go on tour with ben shapiro

20:01 reptilian_thrills; not because of politics, just because of style

20:01 Helenah; CBT doesn't force you to be a different person, nor does it dog train you to be a different person.

20:01 Helenah; It just teaches you ways on dealing with situations and processing them.

20:01 phanes; reptilian_thrills, i grew up being bombarded by psychological theory, dad was a phd in abnormal psych with a minor in philosophy

20:01 Helenah; ABA however I compare to dog training.

20:02 MinceR; afaik people with ASPD don't want to be different, but they do want you to believe they're different

20:02 reptilian_thrills; this whole approach is going to be so dated in a decade or two

20:02 MinceR; probably all approaches will be

20:02 phanes; Helenah, is 100% right, you can't "teach" a sociopath or narcissist to experience empathy. You can teach them to emulate it and express it, but it's ultimately an experience that is missing.

20:02 reptilian_thrills; well its so cloyingly pseudointellectual

20:02 Helenah; MinceR: Every ASPD person is an individual though so there are exceptions where the ASPD sufferer has used their own initiative to seek treatments such as CBT.

20:03 reptilian_thrills; but its more detail-oriented than pseudointellectualism usually is

20:03 Helenah; It's not about making them non-ASPD and it never can do that.

20:03 reptilian_thrills; and thats the only thing it brings to the table

20:03 reptilian_thrills; but its opponents tend to do the same

20:03 reptilian_thrills; so it becomes a giant dick waving contest among giant dicks

20:04 reptilian_thrills; but its also completely bullshit, and thats where the novelty has a half-life of about 2 seconds

20:04 *phanes hops on his dick and rides a giant wave across the horizon

20:04 Helenah; There is one who spoke of his experience on Youtube and he said he supports the treatment had seeked out arguing it helped him.

20:04 Helenah; *he'd

20:04 reptilian_thrills; "this argument optimised for youtube and twitter"

20:04 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Do NOT turn this into something it's not!

20:04 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/running.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-running#comic )

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20:04 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

20:04 Helenah; I know who you are...

20:05 reptilian_thrills; they always think theyre presenting something new

20:05 reptilian_thrills; but you can go back 100 years and find the same old bullshit

20:05 reptilian_thrills; sometimes its 50, thats close enough too

20:05 phanes; the really damaging disorders like NPD, BPD, APD have a really low treatment success rate because the nature of their disorder precludes them from believing they need it. NPD in particular. There are 0 cases of rehabilitated narcissists.

20:05 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: All you want to do is tell people they shouldn't have gone to a doctor.

20:05 reptilian_thrills; of course if you built the fucking pyramids, thats totally different...

20:05 Helenah; And that doctors should never be trusted.

20:06 Helenah; I'd be dead now if it wasn't for doctors.

20:06 phanes; depends on the doctor

20:06 Helenah; I didn't even /whois you, I relied purely on typographical stylometrics.

20:06 Helenah; phanes: Yep, it does.

20:06 Helenah; But you could say that about anyone whether they work in medical or not.

20:06 phanes; most us doctors will watch you die

20:07 phanes; some will tinker with you /until/ you die

20:07 phanes; there's a quiet credibility crisis happening in expert fields in the united states

20:07 Helenah; A doctor of mine told a professor who kept asking for tumour samples "No" arguing to the professor it was too risky.

20:07 phanes; so if you find one that really knows their specialization and is saving lives, that's gold that should be recognized

20:08 Helenah; Yep agreed

20:08 reptilian_thrills; anyway, elitism is the same problem (in practical terms) as cancel culture

20:08 Helenah; This doctor put my health before research.

20:08 reptilian_thrills; basically you need a certain percentage of humanity on board to fix this bullshit

20:08 Helenah; That's good of him.

20:08 phanes; it's the same way with cops. every once in a while one of them saves a life. that doesn't detract from the massive LEO culture problem that kills shitloads of people every year.

20:08 reptilian_thrills; and elitism and cancel culture are more interested in disqualifying people rather than getting to business

20:08 reptilian_thrills; its a distraction-- and that would be fine, but they get stuck there

20:09 reptilian_thrills; they dont go back to actually fixing anything

20:09 phanes; in all fairness alot of people need disqualified

20:09 phanes; its just hardly ever the people that need it

20:09 reptilian_thrills; so you end up with a small fraction of the forces needed for "enlightenment" or "tikkun olam" or "progress" or anything like that

20:09 Helenah; phanes: Did I show you this https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg

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20:09 Helenah; I think I did

20:09 reptilian_thrills; in other words its masturbatory, its self-congratulating

20:09 Helenah; but not sure if it was you who responded or MinceR

20:10 phanes; the ones that need destroyed often end up having too much control over the narrative when you occassionally destroy them

20:10 reptilian_thrills; its very intense navel-gazing

20:10 reptilian_thrills; fapping in the mirror

20:10 reptilian_thrills; i think its the most boring thing in the world. and we all do it

20:10 phanes; Helenah, yeah -- is your tumor malignant?

20:10 reptilian_thrills; but some people present it as a solution. its not.

20:10 Helenah; phanes: Yep

20:10 Helenah; And they've told me it is.

20:11 phanes; yank it in a mirror reptilian_thrills? I can truthfully say I don't do that.

20:11 reptilian_thrills; its the very reason mincer thinks the world is hopeless

20:11 Helenah; And told me that it's very slow progressing, most likely won't kill me.

20:11 reptilian_thrills; either way, the world is full of shit

20:11 Helenah; But they're going to be doing 2 whole genome sequences

20:11 phanes; the world is full of shit

20:11 reptilian_thrills; the question is whether its also hopeless (spoiler: its definitely close

20:11 Helenah; One of my tumour, one of my saliva then compare the difference

20:11 Helenah; they said that it's very new technology, most likely won't return a solution.

20:12 Helenah; He said that or he just watch and monitor

20:12 phanes; i realized young that i had been lied to about almost everything I knew, and I am still integrating that realization into my worldview today a lie at a time

20:12 reptilian_thrills; everyones going to fap in the mirror. some think thats the solution to the worlds problems

20:12 reptilian_thrills; hitler did it, stalin did it, the democrats do it, ben shapiro does it

20:12 phanes; like

20:12 phanes; literally almost everything we are told is a lie

20:13 phanes; "diversify your investment portfolio to get rich"

20:13 phanes; no

20:13 Helenah; phanes: Agreed

20:13 phanes; the people that get rich don't diversify

20:13 Helenah; phanes: Agreed

20:13 phanes; that's what rich people do to /stay/ rich

20:13 phanes; the people that get rich go hard into something fairly risky and come out a winner

20:13 Helenah; Though they don't have to do it to stay rich.

20:13 reptilian_thrills; mjg does it and phanes doesnt get the connection

20:13 reptilian_thrills; they should just fuck already

20:14 phanes; reptilian_thrills, mjg does what?

20:14 Helenah; faps in the mirror

20:14 Helenah; apparently

20:14 reptilian_thrills; sorry for shipping you with everyone mjg

20:14 Helenah; according to reptilian_thrills

20:14 reptilian_thrills; its pure rhetoric i swear

20:14 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: You really hate my guts, don't you? :)

20:14 Helenah; Admit it.

20:14 Helenah; It won't hurt me.

20:15 phanes; reptilian_thrills, i suspect mjg is a highly impressionable narcissist that is surrounded by much more sinister people that are exploiting that impressionability for their own gains and that when he starts realizing he's just puppeting what his gal's hand up his ass is getting him to say through an indoctrination that we'll all have to witness his trump-like narcissistic collapse

20:16 TR News; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/

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20:16 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights

20:16 Helenah; EQ (Empathy Quotient) by Psychology Tools:

20:16 Helenah; Your score was 55 out of a possible 80.

20:16 Helenah; Scores above 30 are generally not indicative of an Autism Spectrum disorder.

20:16 Helenah; Higher scores indicate greater levels of empathy.

20:16 Helenah; About the empathy ^

20:18 phanes; he is in a heteronormative relationship being misrepresented as gender-fluid culture conformance and is puppeting lovecruft's antics to the point that it's nearly destroyed him already. Like, it's in a blind spot right now, but when that guy realizes what's been done to him he's going to have an absolute meltdown.

20:18 TR News; E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o6H8RZLCoyI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/o6H8RZLCoyI

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20:18 TR Bot; E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious

20:19 TR News; INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=om7-QhWHwYk | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/om7-QhWHwYk

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20:19 TR Bot; INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious

20:19 Helenah; phanes: What is your opinion on LGBT+ people? Even talk of the letters individual for more in-depth information.

20:19 Helenah; *individually

20:19 phanes; Helenah, what's your opinion on CIS people?

20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

20:20 Helenah; What's CIS?

20:20 Helenah; Like cisgender?

20:20 TR News; 10 Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/10-useful-lsof-commands-in-linux-with-examples/

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20:20 TR Bot; Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples | LinuxCloudVPS Blog

20:20 phanes; Helenah, https://www.transhub.org.au/101/cis

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20:20 TR Bot; What does cis mean? TransHub

20:20 Helenah; They're people whose gender is in-lign with some binary social construct.

20:21 Helenah; *inlign

20:21 phanes; "some"

20:21 Helenah; Yeah, they're still individuals

20:21 phanes; no not "some"

20:22 Helenah; Honestly though giving a kid a doll because they got a vagina is a social construct.

20:22 phanes; it's important not to misrepresent the default norm for almost all of human history spanning geos and times as anything but that.

20:22 MinceR; Commonwealth of Independent States

20:22 phanes; now, granted, it's reprehensible that marketers exploited this -- hence the doll thing

20:23 Helenah; Yep, they do exploit it.

20:23 TR News; Empirical evidence that Microsoft openwashing and false engagement are being used to make money by diluting the brand Linux http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/

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20:23 phanes; same with christmas

20:23 Helenah; There was this boy who liked nail polish

20:23 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights

20:23 phanes; everyone knows santa loves rich kids more than poor kids

20:23 Helenah; but hated marketers for marketing it as a girls only thing.

20:23 Helenah; Arguing that what marketers are doing just stigmatised him for being a boy who likes nail polish.

20:23 Helenah; phanes: Yep

20:25 Helenah; I think all these social constructs are doing is creating damaging divides.

20:25 phanes; and those gender-reinforcing quirks have always been a thing, too. pink, purple used to be masculine colors, some cultures had men wearing robes or kilts

20:25 MinceR; "Of course the Emperor protects! It's just that He protects me better when I'm in a full carapace suit."

20:25 phanes; Helenah, no archetypes are extraordinarily important parts of human civilization

20:25 phanes; Helenah, that doesn't mean they can't change over time

20:26 Helenah; I believe there would be less trans people for example if people weren't placed into one of two groups.

20:26 Helenah; Agreed

20:26 MinceR; human civilization would be a good idea

20:26 phanes; Helenah, its important also to recognize that all of our values around this are culture-specific and time-specific -- in 200 years our descendants will probably find our openness to the current archetypes objectionable (including possible LBQTG+ archetypes)

20:27 MinceR; it's incredibly optimistic to think there will be descendants of ours 200 years from now

20:27 phanes; we have a tendency to believe we've found the summon bonum, the highest aspiration of ethical perspective in our times, basing that ideal entirely off of contemporary archetypes

20:28 phanes; we have always done this

20:28 whitenigga; yo dawg, ur shit is dry af

20:28 phanes; "the best we know of based on the things we currently know about are the best that it can be"

20:29 phanes; whitenigga, dude you don't know dry then, I havent even talked about the categorical imperative or how hegel didn't understand Kant

20:29 TR News; (NEW): 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.gmi

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20:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022

20:30 whitenigga; please dont

20:30 MinceR; Don't Repeat Yourself

20:30 MinceR; that's the DRY principle

20:30 TR News; (NEW): Why Is NixOS Popular Again? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.gmi

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20:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Why Is NixOS Popular Again?

20:31 reptilian_thrills; if ive said it once ive said it a thousand times: dont repeat yourself

20:31 TR News; Ardour 7.0 released https://ardour.org/whatsnew.html

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20:31 TR Bot;

20:31 reptilian_thrills; its worth saying twice

20:31 Helenah; Speaking of repeating...

20:31 *phanes mumbles something about whitenigga's tendency towards glorification of his innately anti-intellectual perspective to try to validate himself in a world that is much more complex than he is prepared to deal with

20:31 TR News; [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez https://lore.kernel.org/platform-driver-x86/20221014232726.31301-1-jorge.lopez2@hp.com/

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20:31 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez

20:31 Helenah; My brain goes "WTF" when I read an article and see a paragraph has been used 2 or 3 times at different parts

20:31 Helenah; My brain goes "I read it already, why are you a broken record?" lol

20:31 reptilian_thrills; if ive said it once, ive said it a million times: dont exaggerate!

20:32 TR News; Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/ Source: The Register UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/

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20:32 TR Bot; Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' The Register

20:32 whitenigga; phanes: blah blah blah

20:32 whitenigga; ur such a nerd dawh

20:32 whitenigga; dawg

20:33 reptilian_thrills; the shoe fits

20:33 reptilian_thrills; /me pumps it and makes it fit even better

20:33 TR News; Bluestar 6.0.1 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/

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20:33 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net

20:33 *phanes hands whitenigga his size 20 shoes and walks away

20:34 TR News; BillBC on the competition https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63082320

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20:34 TR Bot; to close Stadia cloud service and refund gamers - BBC News

20:35 whitenigga; phanes: nigga please

20:35 whitenigga; know what im sayin

20:35 MinceR; yet another clown computing success story

20:35 whitenigga; gnomisayin

20:35 TR News; "Kara Sherrer Contributing Writer"?? No, Webspam for diploma mills. Writer? Maybe. Of SPAM. https://www.techrepublic.com/meet-the-team/us/kara-sherrer/

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20:35 TR Bot; Sherrer, Author at TechRepublic

20:36 Helenah; phanes, MinceR, :3 https://files.catbox.moe/g5zhp2.jpg

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20:36 phanes; whitenigga, no i don't know what im saying, your dialog is mostly grunts and appeals to a mindset that represents deliberate degeneracy and belongs in a field doing manual labor

20:37 Helenah; That one is CT.

20:37 Helenah; Though they won't give me many of them unless they absolutely need them and also won't give me any of them if they think the risks of the scan outweigh the risks of my cancer.

20:37 MinceR; Helenah: yeah, and it also has your name on it

20:37 Helenah; MinceR: It's everywhere anyway.

20:38 starstreak;

20:38 Helenah; starstreak: Hi

20:38 phanes; Helenah, i have often wondered how many people walk around with serious medical conditions they don't know about because our medicine has only just barely begun to advance and is stunted by our current research models

20:38 MinceR; and age

20:38 starstreak; Helenah, hi :)

20:38 Helenah; phanes: Well people don't realise they're developing microcancers all the time, most of which are nothing.

20:38 Helenah; MinceR: That's everywhere

20:39 MinceR; we will develop nanocancer

20:39 Helenah; Hi hi starstreak :D

20:39 Helenah; Cells can escape apoptosis.

20:39 phanes; Helenah, we need to be talking to more sociologists and statisticians about cancer :P

20:39 Helenah; and then pass on the reason why they were able to escape it in the first place onto new cells.

20:39 Helenah; Which also do the same thing

20:39 AdmFubar; mhttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/how-a-microsoft-blunder-opened-millions-of-pcs-to-potent-malware-attacks/

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20:39 Helenah; next thing you have this ever growing mass

20:40 Helenah; That just is too stubborn to give up

20:40 Helenah; phanes: Yep

20:40 starstreak; hi hi Helenah :)

20:41 whitenigga; starstreak: i just read everything on your site and thats some crazy shit dawg

20:41 whitenigga; nice artwork though

20:42 Helenah; whitenigga: You think you're cool, don't you?

20:42 Helenah; Well you're not.

20:42 Helenah; So STOP acting like you are!

20:42 whitenigga; starstreak: you deserve the CrazyNigga award

20:42 Helenah; Infact just do whatever you want, I'm merely expressing.

20:43 phanes; Helenah, the world needs people who can clean hotel rooms and flip burgers too, it's one of the foundational layers of society

20:43 whitenigga; Helenah: i know im cool, gnomisayin

20:43 Helenah; whitenigga: People who claim they "know" they are cool are most likely not cool.

20:43 Helenah; You can wear shades, it doesn't make you cool.

20:43 whitenigga; Helenah: did you wake up and drink haterade dawg?

20:43 Helenah; phanes: Yep

20:44 Helenah; whitenigga: I'm not hating anyone and redact the "dawg".

20:44 Helenah; I'm no dawg.

20:44 Helenah; Infact do as you please, I'm just merely expressing.

20:45 whitenigga; alright girl sorry

20:45 Helenah; There's no need to apologise. :)

20:46 Helenah; You don't realise it today, but you will realise it tomorrow. Right now you probably think I'm merely digging at you but tomorrow you will realise that I wasn't digging at you, wasn't hating you or anything like that, I was sending a subtle warning that this "cool act" of yours will backfire back onto you.

20:47 Helenah; And it won't be me doing the backfiring, it will be some outwardly spoken other person.

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20:48 TR Bot; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights

20:48 phanes; it reminds me of when the boss's kid stumbles into the board meeting and starts asking questions, and most of the people just politely entertain the outbursts and non-relevant questions

20:48 phanes; meanwhile 3/4 of the room is looking around to see who's going to wheel him back to the reception lobby so they can wrap up the meeting

20:48 phanes; they don't hate the kid

20:48 Helenah; Yep, often people approach things politely, even passively and then one day they say something.

20:48 phanes; he just needs to be in the toy room

20:49 Helenah; Plenty of people probably tolerated whitenigga's cool acts without whitenigga even realise that's happening, one of these people will some day say something to him.

20:49 phanes; im pretty vocal about it

20:50 Helenah; Believe me, I had a teacher called Mr Ramsden, I called him Mr Ramsbottom for 2 years before he finally backfired against me.

20:50 phanes; most of my backlash from when i was an arrogant teenager was internal tbh

20:51 phanes; remembering a teacher who had a neck vein that i poked on a dare who was genuinely just passionately trying to teach high schoolers about earth science

20:51 phanes; alot of people have a fuckhead phase

20:52 TR News; Conan package manager compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/conan-package-manager-compiled-in-oe.html

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20:52 TR Bot; Conan package manager compiled in OE

20:52 Helenah; I bet he didn't like that.

20:52 phanes; she didn't and acted like she didn't notice

20:52 Helenah; OH she woops sorry

20:52 phanes; i was like 15 and took the non-response as weakness instead of ignoring the fuckhead so she could teach the class

20:53 Helenah; Most teachers in my school days were women btw.

20:53 Helenah; rarely any men.

20:53 phanes; whitenigga, gnoimsayin?

20:53 Helenah; It was soo one gender and less of the other.

20:54 whitenigga; phanes: its gnomisayin

20:54 Helenah; I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with men scared of working with kids.

20:56 *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving)

20:56 TR News; Ubuntu Once Again Angered Users by Placing Ads in the Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Canonical_displays_controversial_ad_in_shell_update_prog.shtml

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20:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical displays controversial 'ad' in shell update prog (UDPATEDx2)

20:57 Helenah; Society seems to find it soo easy to accuse men of being potentially dangerous.

20:58 phanes; in all fairness we are

20:58 Helenah; Yet women are just as capable.

20:58 phanes; yep

20:58 TR News; Canonica: Ubuntu is CentOS and you need "Pro" for RealValue(R). Also, Ubuntu means "Debian with ads".

20:58 Helenah; I've watched a woman rag the hair of another woman in college, it took 5 members of staff 2 of them being security guards to get her off the other person while the other person was screaming out in pain.

20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 105.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 142.66

20:59 Helenah; It wasn't as simple as getting her off when she's hold of someones hair.

20:59 phanes; oh some women are vicious to each other in ways most men can't learn to be

20:59 Helenah; Agreed

20:59 phanes; especially high school and college

9 PM, October 15

21:00 phanes; those girls were just absolute demons to each other

21:00 Helenah; Yep, I was eating my dinner at the time when a load of thuds suddenly started behind me, it shat me up.

21:00 phanes; the dudes would beat each other up occassionally but the girls were like psychological warfare

21:00 Helenah; a load of computers went flying off the desk including one I was on...

21:00 Helenah; I well freaked out... lol

21:00 Helenah; That's cause she had dragged this girl onto the desk, pinned her down to it and started ragging out her hair.

21:01 phanes; what is "ragging"

21:01 phanes; i dont know that term

21:01 Helenah; phanes: Pulling it out but with a repetitive tugging action

21:01 Helenah; I can do it too

21:01 Helenah; it hurts the most

21:01 Helenah; Yes I've actually done it myself...

21:01 phanes; thats horrible

21:01 Helenah; I'm guilty of it

21:01 schestowitz[TR]; also in workspaces

21:01 Helenah; that was once and one time only in high school

21:01 Helenah; but what I did was nothing in comparison to this...

21:02 Helenah; This just left a room in trash...

21:02 phanes; some of the girls i went to high school and college with were at like war with each other, not like beat each other up war but pretend to make up and be friends long enough to seduce boyfriend + dad

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21:02 Helenah; Damn

21:03 TR News; TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/tplink-dns-hijacking.html

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21:03 TR Bot; TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests | Ctrl blog

21:03 Helenah; Also women are better at doing social manipulation.

21:03 Helenah; I'm saying all this as a woman.

21:03 Helenah; I'm honest.

21:03 phanes; some are yes

21:03 phanes; i was caught in the web of a black widow once and had to lose a couple limbs to get out

21:03 phanes; it practically defined my 20s and im still processing it

21:04 phanes; that was my first exposure to NPD

21:04 phanes; she was diagnosed by our couples therapist shortly before all hell broke loose

21:05 TR News; This is a security problem only if the malware gets to the system in the first place https://www.scmagazine.com/analysis/threat-intelligence/researchers-detail-new-c2-attack-framework-targeting-windows-macos-and-linux

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21:05 TR Bot; Researchers detail new C2 attack framework targeting Windows, macOS and Linux | SC Media

21:05 phanes; therapist calls me out for a quick meeting and is politely trying to warn me to get very far away very fast

21:05 phanes; i didn't listen because i didn't know how the disorder worked yet

21:05 Helenah; Oh dear

21:05 phanes; yeah my guts are all over maine

21:05 Helenah; They have what I call a "grapple hook", it's their first thing they do

21:06 Helenah; So once they have you hooked to them, bonded tight

21:06 Helenah; They then manipulated the fuck out of you

21:06 Helenah; *manipulate

21:06 phanes; in all fairness we were engaged and living together and by the time I realized what was going on it was already way too scary and painful to avoid any damage

21:06 Helenah; hmm

21:06 phanes; like the social isolation was so subtle that i didn't even realize i was isolated until it was way too late

21:07 Helenah; I don't blame you for not listening at first, you probably didn't have any idea if it was ridiculous or not.

21:07 phanes; i didn't even know people could think like that back then

21:08 phanes; and appear to be normal

21:08 Helenah; I've encountered narcissists too but because of my brick wall barrier that seems to go up against them, they then try to use a proxy person to get to me.

21:08 phanes; yeah i didn't have any of that

21:08 phanes; i spent like 15 years trying to expose what she was doing to me

21:09 phanes; they have a way of going to other people in the web and pretexting anything you might say

21:09 Helenah; So did she already have an NPD diagnosis or was it picked up on, I assume when talking to her without you present?

21:09 Helenah; That's a psychological tactic

21:09 Helenah; speak to both together, then each one individually separately

21:10 phanes; yep

21:10 Helenah; To see how they change

21:10 phanes; it was after individual sessions

21:10 Helenah; And she would've said a right load of things in the comforts of a therapist she wouldn't say to you.

21:10 phanes; together i was the demon

21:10 phanes; yep

21:10 phanes; exactly

21:10 phanes; horrible shit

21:10 Helenah; This is where therapists are crafty.

21:10 Helenah; They know how to get the information they want out of peoples brains.

21:10 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi

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21:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos

21:11 Helenah; It's a good thing, you got a warning because of it.

21:11 phanes; eh, i just wish i knew now back then the damage wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe

21:11 phanes; *just wish i knew then what i know now

21:12 phanes; the "storm" that comes with that kind of split i was just not prepared for

21:12 Helenah; Believe me though, how you approached what was warned to you is normal btw.

21:13 phanes; you're right about using proxies as weapons

21:13 phanes; it was everybody man

21:14 phanes; i tell ya what though

21:15 Helenah; narcissists are never satisfied with themselves and what they have, they will always see what others have and how they are as better than themself and their own things. So if they take physical things from you for example keeping a hold of your debit card like what they want is one of your personality attributes which they can't just take, it's inside you

21:15 Helenah; then they will abuse the shit out of you for those good attributes

21:15 phanes; that whole saga prepared me like crazy for both the corporate world and f/oss shit

21:15 Helenah; Like I said "grapple hook", they put on a charm and get you close and get you comfortable

21:15 phanes; because tech is unnaturally saturated with cluster Bs

21:15 Helenah; Then the devil comes out to play with you

21:15 TR News; TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel https://medevel.com/typicms/

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21:15 TR Bot; TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel

21:15 Helenah; phanes: That's true

21:16 phanes; i can spot them a mile away these days

21:16 phanes; i have some trouble with the covert subtype

21:16 phanes; they can get under my radar for a while

21:16 TR News; G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps https://medevel.com/g-droid/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/g-droid/

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21:16 TR Bot; G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps

21:17 TR News; "Recently Ive worked a lot with multithreading and wanted to share a very simple but useful tool. However, Qt-experts wont be surprised." https://lnj.gitlab.io/post/running-lambdas-on-a-thread-with-qt/

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21:17 TR Bot; Runnning lambda functions on a specific thread with Qt - Linus Jahn

21:18 Helenah; Btw, I met my gf on IRC like... 8 years ago and a month into our relationship, some dimwhit on IRC basically warned her that I'm a narcissist and that she should get away from them asap. My gf didn't listen and is still with me 8 years on finding that what was told her wasn't true...

21:18 phanes; sounds like a rival tried to do a role reversal

21:18 Helenah; Apparently I was coming across as "charming"

21:18 Helenah; Which I'll admit I was

21:18 Helenah; because well she was new

21:19 Helenah; and the love was new...

21:19 TR News; (NEW): Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.gmi

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21:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM

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21:19 phanes; mine tried to do that a couple times but you can just wait it out and shit becomes apparent if the sabotage of the narcissist doesn't work immediately. the ones that hurt is when they sabotage with something you didn't see them say, but you know they said something, and the person they said it to just disappears over it

21:19 reptilian_thrills; wb

21:20 Helenah; hmm

21:20 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, thanks

21:20 phanes; which is frequent and unfortunate but is just part of life after you get out of a narcissist's control

21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

21:20 Helenah; Yep I walked away from a narcsissist

21:20 Helenah; I was putting my barrier up against her which she couldn't break

21:21 phanes; grey rock?

21:21 schestowitz[TR]; https://imgur.com/gallery/fRoVq

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21:21 TR Bot; Narcissists Prayer - Album on Imgur

21:21 Helenah; to the point she was telling my girlfriend behind my back "You see those alien statues over there? It's like I'm talking to one of those with her"

21:21 Helenah; Yep she had human sized alien statues... in her living room which was too small for even a sofa...

21:21 Helenah; lol

21:21 starstreak; lol wut

21:22 Helenah; starstreak: She couldn't get through to my mind.

21:22 Helenah; So she compared me to her statues behind my back.

21:22 Helenah; Then not long after...

21:22 Helenah; my gf broke up with me TWICE

21:22 phanes; Helenah, im still on the fence about whether they believe the things they say or if its a largely subconscious thing the really manipulative ones are doing

21:22 Helenah; and I had no idea why but she was telling me I was a child, I was lazy

21:22 Helenah; and that I was using her for everything

21:22 Helenah; and I was like "Woah woah woah where is this coming from?"

21:22 reptilian_thrills; /me counts the desks

21:23 Helenah; Eventually found out the narcissist had stuck all that in her head...

21:23 phanes; like if you listen to what theyre saying about you long enough you can see how they arrived at that but also can see that's broken and distorted, but it gives the impression they believe it

21:23 TR News; You Can Now Install TUXEDO OS on a Regular Computer: Heres How http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml

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21:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro

21:23 Helenah; phanes: They believe it.

21:23 Helenah; I'm telling you, they believe it.

21:23 phanes; i think sometimes they do

21:24 phanes; other times its so obviously a lie that im just like "i know even you don't believe that"

21:24 Helenah; Though yeah, probably some expert manipulators take it further

21:24 Helenah; She didn't know me

21:25 Helenah; She knew me for a MONTH

21:25 Helenah; and already she was trying to get into my life which didn't work because of the barrier

21:25 Helenah; she opened my girlfriend right up though like she took a scapal to her...

21:25 phanes; after a while i started to realize that these people do not have internal compasses for truth and that the things they say are just kind of an amalgamation of defense mechanisms in a broken mind that is so overcompensating for having no foundation that its enough just to give the appearance of normalcy for them

21:25 Helenah; not literally scalpal, it's metaphorical.

21:25 TR News; "In this video I cover several difficult to understanding programming concepts to help you gain some new clarity." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=loGWCJGmv7Q

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21:25 TR Bot; Difficult Programming Concepts Explained - Invidious

21:26 Helenah; Well this is how she came across to my gf was "normal" and "genuine"

21:26 Helenah; but I could see right through it

21:26 Helenah; my gf was befriending a devil

21:26 Helenah; but saw a cuddly kitten.

21:26 phanes; i do know this though: they think it's funny

21:26 phanes; at some level they get genuine enjoyment from the damage they cause

21:27 Helenah; I have no front. If you ever met me in real life then what you see is what you get and how it actually is.

21:27 TR News; NetBSD Blog http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud Source: NetBSD | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud

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21:27 TR Bot; NetBSD Blog

21:27 Helenah; And you will really love that honesty.

21:27 phanes; Helenah, i am much more agreeable in person than on IRC

21:27 phanes; alot of folks i butt heads with on IRC i end up making friends with in person at conventions

21:28 Helenah; Sometimes I'll agree to avoid argument and confrontation

21:28 TR News; "The MyDeal site is hosted by Amazon in the US, according to Internet services company Netcraft, and appears to use ASP.NET, technology sold by Microsoft." https://itwire.com/security/woolworths-subsidiary-mydeal-suffers-data-breach,-2-2m-users-affected.html

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21:28 TR Bot; - Woolworths subsidiary MyDeal suffers data breach, 2.2m users affected

21:28 Helenah; You want to know what made this narcissist 10 times worse towards my gf about me?

21:28 Helenah; Is the fact I stood up, had a right yelling at her, slammed her doors on the way out.

21:29 Helenah; Middle finger apparently went up behind my back followed by calling me a child, I was told this later.

21:29 phanes; i had to avoid all of that because any sign or expression of anger was used as a weapon against me to support a big scary man narrative as she was trying to find someone who could be worked up into assaulting me

21:29 Helenah; She got anger once and most the time blanks instead of what she wanted.

21:29 phanes; that didn't start until after the split

21:29 phanes; s/split/discard/

21:30 phanes; by the time the hoover came around i had processed enough to realize what was going on and had educated myself some on the patterns

21:30 phanes; whole thing backfired on her a bit

21:30 Helenah; I yelled on the way out "YOU DO NOT KNOW ME SO STOP TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH MY LIFE, YOU WONT GET TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME THROUGH ME"

21:30 TR News; The above are only some among more fake articles found when searching for Linux; theyre not actually articles, theyre more like a network of spamfarms; these ZDNet ads already taint news sites as noted before http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/

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21:31 TR Bot; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights

21:31 TR News; (NEW): TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.gmi

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21:32 Helenah; I never saw her again.

21:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Walmart is starting to really piss me off.

21:32 Helenah; I opted for avoidance at all costs.

21:32 schestowitz[TR]; sstarting?

21:32 Helenah; DaemonFC: So don't shop there then, it's your choice.

21:32 schestowitz[TR]; we boycott asda just because walmart owns it... since it began owning it

21:32 phanes; Helenah, i would like very much to hold that one accountable but am unclear on any means to do so

21:32 DaemonFC; Every year they try to bump up Mandy's 401(k) contribution by 1% of his pay, without asking, and you have to go in and select "NO CHANGE". I already have it set at 6%, which is the most they will match.

21:33 DaemonFC; This year they did it, YET AGAIN.

21:33 phanes; i have a very deeply engrained sense of and desire for justice that is left in wanting

21:33 Helenah; DaemonFC: They are getting to you and hurting your head.

21:33 schestowitz[TR]; they have like 2 million workers

21:33 schestowitz[TR]; if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profits

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21:34 reptilian_thrills; if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profit <- thats okay, phanes will teach a few of them how to be morally upstanding

21:34 reptilian_thrills; which seems to consist mostly of talking on the internet about how youre smarter than everyone else

21:34 Helenah; Sometimes I can get firey at my gf phanes I'll admit

21:35 Helenah; But it rarely happens

21:35 reptilian_thrills; and how you dont believe in revolution because its dumb

21:35 phanes; there's nothing wrong with being angry

21:35 TR News; Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eJ3JxwQl7OM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eJ3JxwQl7OM

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21:35 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious

21:35 Helenah; Well like the cat going on my surfaces and knocking everything on the floor and her never doing anything about it is my biggest gripe at the moment...

21:35 phanes; what you do when you are angry is whether your anger is a problem or not

21:35 Helenah; And she's like "Well it's a cat"

21:35 reptilian_thrills; fake revolution is better. everyone line up and blow george, look at his cool hat!

21:35 Helenah; and I'm like "Well everything is still going on the floor all the time and you will never pick it up, ever"

21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Anything more than they match is a liability.

21:36 Helenah; Cats shouldn't be on surfaces.

21:36 DaemonFC; We're already maxing out the match and the IRS SAVERS CREDIT.

21:36 DaemonFC; So there's no reason to put even $1 more into this thing.

21:36 Helenah; But that aside...

21:36 schestowitz[TR]; yes, the match is the sole incentive

21:36 Helenah; We deeply love each other

21:36 Helenah; Our love is strong

21:36 schestowitz[TR]; your own contribution might never come back to you

21:37 schestowitz[TR]; it's there to cushion a dying economy with gambling

21:37 schestowitz[TR]; people setting aside future money to ganble on a syramid scheme and prop it up

21:38 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.gmi

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21:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More

21:40 Helenah; phanes: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg

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21:41 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0

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21:41 TR Bot; Future Islands - Seasons (Waiting On You) (Official Video) - Invidious

21:41 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg

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21:41 phanes; Helenah, interesting. I'm also O-

21:41 phanes; D3, huh

21:41 Helenah; Though I've just had to tell someone vitamins are not toys and shouldn't just be taken blindly as they were considering to do just that, take it blindly.

21:41 Helenah; Which means unknowingly overdosing on vitamins

21:41 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: trying to understand that

21:42 Helenah; thinking they're some magical health pills

21:42 Helenah; and they're not

21:42 phanes; yeah you gotta be careful with alot of that

21:42 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It's for the reward system of the brain

21:42 Helenah; I was unknowingly chasing dopamine

21:42 Helenah; phanes: I've known people buy multivitamins to take and they just take them, no blood test, no nothing.

21:42 phanes; i played with my serotonin and dopamine systems a little in my mid-20s and had some good results but i also knew more about that kind of stuff back then

21:42 Helenah; It is annoying!

21:43 phanes; it also wasn't sustainable

21:43 schestowitz[TR]; exercise

21:43 phanes; i had a potassium deficiency a few years back that almost killed me

21:43 Helenah; phanes: I'm forcing my system to produce more.

21:44 phanes; they didn't notice until i was in like stage 2 hypertension

21:44 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It's not exercise that's needed.

21:44 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes I make many typos here before I stanb and/or do light exercise

21:44 Helenah; Because what happens in my case is...

21:44 Helenah; One the surge of dopamine is produced

21:44 Helenah; it's taken further around the brain

21:44 schestowitz[TR]; endorphin

21:44 Helenah; so it's flushed out immediately

21:44 Helenah; but my endorphines aren't the problem.

21:44 schestowitz[TR]; like I said, not my area

21:45 schestowitz[TR]; i'm not a medical doctor, just a phd

21:45 Helenah; Ah

21:45 Helenah; Me neither

21:45 TR News; (NEW): Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.gmi

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21:45 phanes; ya gotta be careful with sero and dopa systems, if you produce too much of one the other can shut off

21:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid

21:45 Helenah; phanes: Yep

21:45 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, exercise helps feel good and also does good to the body

21:45 phanes; your brain has all these regulatory functions that are not well understood

21:45 Helenah; Interesting fact, Psychopaths produce too much oxytocin.

21:45 Helenah; Way more than what they need

21:45 Helenah; it's a cuddly love hormone BUT

21:46 Helenah; It can make you a monster if it's high all the time

21:46 phanes; you also have to treat those systems like a circuit, just making more dopa or sero doesn't mean your uptake or consumption in the brain is doing what you think it is

21:46 phanes; you can numb out those receptors by overproducing

21:47 phanes; which then triggers other regulatory functions

21:47 phanes; this is why I believe SSRIs are dangerous and should never be used

21:47 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi

=> ↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml
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21:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers

21:47 Helenah; That's fact with with all nutrient.

21:48 reptilian_thrills; thats what she said

21:48 Helenah; altering the level of one affects the level of others

21:48 Helenah; either through your body not producing enough of it

21:48 Helenah; or through your body not absorbing enough of it

21:48 Helenah; Same goes for other things too

21:48 schestowitz[TR]; deficiency can be fixed

21:48 schestowitz[TR]; supplements

21:48 schestowitz[TR]; excess is another issue

21:48 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yes but

21:48 Helenah; that's not listening to what we're saying

21:49 Helenah; Like apparently vitamin C reduces the effectiveness of ADHD meds

21:49 schestowitz[TR]; o

21:49 Helenah; That's resorting to the "supplement" idea

21:49 phanes; if someone has a balanced diet and a deficiency there's usually another cause

21:49 Helenah; that everyone buys into

21:49 schestowitz[TR]; heredetary

21:49 Helenah; with no proper basis to why they're doing it

21:49 phanes; this whole idea of a "chemical imbalance" without an external cause seems dubious and dangerous to me

21:49 schestowitz[TR]; *hereditary

21:49 Helenah; Yep

21:49 Helenah; phanes: Agreed

21:49 Helenah; Like I said, I checked things out.

21:49 Helenah; most people don't

21:50 Helenah; I went at it seeing it as experimental too

21:50 Helenah; so I wasn't blinding myself

21:50 Helenah; Anyway, I feel better.

21:50 phanes; like when i had a potassium deficiency it i was actually having kidney issues because of a supplement i was taking

21:50 Helenah; hmm

21:50 Helenah; Yep

21:50 phanes; so, sure, supplementation with potassium helped

21:50 Helenah; aldosterone

21:50 phanes; but i needed to stop taking the supplement causing the problem

21:50 Helenah; it regulates sodium and potassium

21:51 Helenah; If your kidneys can't maintain aldosterone levels then your sodium and possassium levels will be wrong

21:51 Helenah; You may end up peeing it all out or not peeing enough

21:51 reptilian_thrills; part of being morally upstanding is knowing who is (naturally) better than everyone else

21:51 reptilian_thrills; like from birth

21:51 Helenah; aldosterone helps you retain water too

21:51 Helenah; so you don't flush too much out in one go

21:52 phanes; reptilian_thrills, "better" sounds like bullshit

21:52 reptilian_thrills; i know it sounds like some colonial bullshit, but actually its really so fucking profound

21:52 phanes; who is "better" than everyone else? blonde haired, blue eyed aryans?

21:52 schestowitz[TR]; pro tip: never give any medical mdetails online

21:52 Helenah; I at current have no latest work on my aldosterone levels phanes

21:53 phanes; the concept that some people are better than everyone else is at the core of most of society's problems tbh

21:53 reptilian_thrills; especially to bill gates

21:53 reptilian_thrills; or github, through your university

21:53 Helenah; And... BAM!

21:53 schestowitz[TR]; bully de blanc poudly said she was bipolar

21:53 Helenah; Urea and electrolytes:

21:53 phanes; and always has been

21:53 Helenah; Name Result Normal Range

21:53 Helenah; Serum sodium 141 mmol/L 133 - 146 mmol/L

21:53 Helenah; Serum potassium 4.2 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L

21:54 Helenah; Serum urea level 4.6 mmol/L 2.5 - 7.8 mmol/L

21:54 schestowitz[TR]; to brag her solutoion was "open source"

21:54 Helenah; Serum creatinine 78 umol/L 45 - 84 umol/L

21:54 Helenah; GFR calculated abbreviated MDRD > 90 ml/min/1.73sqm N/A

21:54 schestowitz[TR]; of course this was later used against her

21:54 schestowitz[TR]; there are strong data protection laws for medical data for very good reasons

21:54 schestowitz[TR]; and special elevated status to medical info of high-porofile well-kknown people

21:55 schestowitz[TR]; the regimes ned to remind people

21:55 *phanes is pretty sure D3 supplementation would increase a cornucopia of cancer risks btw

21:55 schestowitz[TR]; your medical privacys is a right

21:55 schestowitz[TR]; and giving it away is only your own fault

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21:56 schestowitz[TR]; there are many reasons not to discuss that, esp. not online

21:56 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I don't mind giving it away...

21:56 schestowitz[TR]; to a friend = one person

21:56 schestowitz[TR]; online=anyone

21:56 Helenah; I want to go into the grave with it all given away...

21:56 reptilian_thrills; of course this was later used against her <- yeah i dont think pocock had the right

21:56 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: yes, but you are not obliged to

21:56 DaemonFC; They're offering Critical Illness insurance.

21:56 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Correct

21:57 schestowitz[TR]; and youi need to give it away only once

21:57 schestowitz[TR]; and the cat is out of the bag

21:57 schestowitz[TR]; the paste our of the tube

21:57 Helenah; Serum prolactin level:

21:57 Helenah; Name Result Normal Range

21:57 Helenah; Serum prolactin level 544 mU/L < 496 mU/L

21:57 Helenah; :D

21:57 Helenah; haha

21:58 TR News; Get stock and crypto price data using shell terminal on Linux https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module

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21:58 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module )

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21:58 Helenah; You guys want genetic information too? :D

21:58 Helenah; lol

21:58 schestowitz[TR]; "UPLOAD YOUR DATA"

21:58 DaemonFC; It says it's a Section 125 plan, under the tax code. That means I can deduct his premiums over the year from our taxable income. $20,000 lump sum payment in the event of a diagnosis of certain illnesses, plus some other benefits thrown in for $2.22 a pay period. ($1.11 per week). So like $57.72 per year. Plus, that's a top-line income tax deduction.

21:58 phanes; i have deliberately avoided being genetically profiled

21:58 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: :D

21:58 DaemonFC; Not a terrible offer.

21:58 schestowitz[TR]; Along the lines of *Show us your tits" [not me]

21:58 schestowitz[TR]; (meme)

21:59 Helenah; phanes: Lol there are like too many copies of my genome out there to even count!

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; some people uploaded theirt DNA data

21:59 Helenah; What choice do I have?

21:59 Helenah; lol

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; it was later used against their relatives

21:59 reptilian_thrills; /me finds some nice pictures of tits for roy

21:59 reptilian_thrills; dont worry, i saw them in a tree

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; they wanted to find relatives or somethiing

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; or "help science"

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; they helped police

21:59 schestowitz[TR]; and hurt their loved ones

10 PM, October 15

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22:00 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I have research grade genome sequencing.

22:00 Helenah; whole genome

22:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/uncle-sam-wants-your-dna-fbi%E2%80%99s-diabolical-plan-create-nation-suspects

=> ↺ https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/uncle-sam-wants-your-dna-fbi%E2%80%99s-diabolical-plan-create-nation-suspects

22:00 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@w432nk8im23p8.irc) has joined #techrights

22:00 TR Bot; Uncle Sam Wants Your DNA: The FBIs Diabolical Plan to Create a Nation of Suspects | River Cities' Reader

22:00 phanes; https://imagebin.ca/v/6yaVcYHPAdBW

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22:00 TR Bot; Imagebin - Somewhere to Store Random Things

22:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/judges_journal/2020/spring/if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous-think-again/

=> ↺ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/judges_journal/2020/spring/if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous-think-again/

22:01 TR Bot; If You Think Your DNA Is Anonymous, Think Again!

22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05029-9

=> ↺ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05029-9

22:01 TR Bot; The ethics of catching criminals using their familys DNA

22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/magazine/dna-test-crime-identification-genome.html

=> ↺ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/magazine/dna-test-crime-identification-genome.html

22:01 TR Bot; How Your DNA Test Could Send a Relative to Jail - The New York Times

22:01 reptilian_thrills; if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous <- how the fuck could it be

22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.zdnet.com/article/home-dna-kit-company-asks-you-to-upload-your-family-tree-for-the-fbi/

=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/home-dna-kit-company-asks-you-to-upload-your-family-tree-for-the-fbi/

22:01 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...

22:01 TR Bot; DNA kit company asks you to upload your family tree for the FBI | ZDNET

22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://futurism.com/neoscope/man-charged-rape-uploading-dna-ancestry

=> ↺ https://futurism.com/neoscope/man-charged-rape-uploading-dna-ancestry

22:01 TR Bot; Man Charged With Rape After Uploading His DNA to Ancestry Site

22:01 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...

22:01 reptilian_thrills; its like a username you can never change, or unlink from yourself

22:01 DaemonFC; "Partners generally do not qualify as spouses or dependents

22:01 DaemonFC; for federal income tax purposes. Therefore, the value of

22:01 DaemonFC; companyprovided medical (including the HRA) coverage

22:01 DaemonFC; that relates to your partner, or your partners children, is

22:01 DaemonFC; generally considered imputed income and taxable to you"

22:01 DaemonFC; Sounds like Matt GULAG should step on it and get married.

22:02 DaemonFC; For tax purposes.

22:02 reptilian_thrills; biometric data isnt a password, its a username

22:02 DaemonFC; While he bangs everyone at the open sores conference.

22:02 phanes; DaemonFC, that would be un-anarchist to get married, and it also makes him less disposable so she'd never go for it

22:02 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...

22:02 schestowitz[TR]; (NEW): Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.gmi

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22:02 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...

22:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On

22:03 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...

22:03 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...

22:03 Helenah; lol

22:03 schestowitz[TR]; Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On

22:03 schestowitz[TR]; what a tool

22:03 reptilian_thrills; linux users are tools?

22:03 starstreak; linucks btw

22:03 schestowitz[TR]; don't miss out

22:03 reptilian_thrills; "sorry miss"

22:03 Helenah; I'm a linux user. :3

22:03 Helenah; I ain't no tool

22:03 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw

22:04 reptilian_thrills; in communist russia arch linucks uses you

22:04 Helenah; Who wants to see my chest and spine too while you're looking at my head and inner ear? :D

22:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Might as well get the insurance that comes pre-tax.

22:04 Helenah; hahaha

22:04 DaemonFC; B-)

22:04 reptilian_thrills; /me checks starstreaks laptop for malware

22:04 reptilian_thrills; its over 9000!

22:04 reptilian_thrills; malware, malware everywhere

22:04 schestowitz[TR]; attack surface broad

22:05 reptilian_thrills; attack surface broad <- she doesnt like being called that

22:05 Helenah; dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble

22:05 Helenah; dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble

22:05 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, Packages: 1737 (pacman)

22:05 reptilian_thrills; 1737 malware found

22:05 *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak

22:05 schestowitz[TR]; leet

22:05 starstreak; :)

22:05 reptilian_thrills; drake meme: attack surface broad <- nahh

22:06 schestowitz[TR]; hamper of chocs

22:06 reptilian_thrills; attach surface dame <- :)

22:06 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: leave britney ALONE!!

22:06 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: NO!

22:06 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], :)

22:06 starstreak; lol

22:06 *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak some more

22:06 starstreak; :3

22:07 reptilian_thrills; norton is like tech support scam

22:08 reptilian_thrills; we found 1000 malware!

22:08 reptilian_thrills; those are cookies.

22:08 reptilian_thrills; "theyre very malicious cookies!"

22:08 TR News; "It is difficult to do stargazing in the evenings in my yard because of all the people walking in and out of the apartment building, and the bright lights when people drive out of their garages" gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221015-0.gmi

=> ↺ gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221015-0.gmi

22:08 reptilian_thrills; theyre SUPERCOOKIES

22:08 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster? super cookie?

22:08 Helenah; I'm not sure how your DNA can just simply incriminate you. Lets say a knife is found with your DNA on it, just that alone isn't conclusive, there needs to be more than that to go off.

22:08 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster to rescue! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM

22:08 Helenah; As you may have held it but not been the one who used it.

22:09 reptilian_thrills; /me checks arch linux for cookies

22:09 Helenah; So I don't believe the police would just go off the fact your DNA was on that knife...

22:09 Helenah; I don't buy it...

22:09 reptilian_thrills; OMG, this is crawling with malware!

22:09 reptilian_thrills; there are cookies ALL OVER THE PLACE

22:09 TR News; "End-to-end encryption would have to be thwarted by scans on all cell phones." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/

=> ↺ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/

22:09 TR Bot; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer

22:09 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: ^

22:09 schestowitz[TR]; k00kies

22:09 reptilian_thrills; your netstat is very infected with internet virus

22:10 schestowitz[TR]; hand of MA K))Ks!

22:10 starstreak; oh noes! not internet virus

22:10 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: cookies aren't classified as malware.

22:10 Helenah; Nor can they be.

22:10 reptilian_thrills; you should connect with the secure vpn to let us diagnose your bank account, i mean computer

22:10 Helenah; Get your facts right about cookies before you make dumb claims...

22:10 Helenah; Jesus

22:10 reptilian_thrills; press the four-flag window key

22:10 schestowitz[TR]; cookies are bugs

22:10 schestowitz[TR]; not bugs in the cookiees

22:10 reptilian_thrills; and hold down rrrrrrr

22:11 reptilian_thrills; not bugs in the cookiees <- reptilian cookies!

22:11 schestowitz[TR]; hands off MA K00Kies!

22:11 starstreak; rrrrrrrrrrrreptoidz

22:11 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster: "that okay, me not hungry"

22:11 phanes; grubhub thinks taco bell and chipotle sell "tacos"

22:11 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: So yeah, my genome. :D

22:12 reptilian_thrills; /me adds reptilian cookie monster to queue

22:12 Helenah; phanes: They don't? o.O

22:12 phanes; hell no

22:12 Helenah; Why have a name like taco bell then?!

22:12 Helenah; Damn

22:12 Helenah; lol

22:12 phanes; i agree

22:12 reptilian_thrills; CRICKETS! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

22:12 starstreak; crickets are delicious

22:12 starstreak; deep fried nom nom nom nom

22:13 reptilian_thrills; they stay crunchy even in milk

22:13 Helenah; Listening to Vangelis. :3

22:13 schestowitz[TR]; Vangelis is good

22:14 psydruid; The Four Horsemen

22:14 phanes; psydruid, yes?

22:15 reptilian_thrills; /me opens a reptoid chip shop called "fish n chirps"

22:15 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k

=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k

22:15 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k

=> ↺ https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k

22:15 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Aphrodite's Child - The Four Horsemen (video) - Invidious

22:15 psydruid; Vangelis

22:15 psydruid; Roussos

22:15 phanes; lol i bought a gibson les paul and ever since, every single forced ad on youtube and facebook is a guitar commercial

22:17 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: may contain potato

22:17 mjg59_; phanes: The same document that resulted in you finally agreeing to stop deadnaming my partner also provides the appropriate pronouns to describe them

22:17 schestowitz[TR]; trace of potato

22:18 mjg59_; phanes: So I'd appreciate it if you referred to them correctly in that respect

22:18 reptilian_thrills; you got peanut butter in my crickets

22:18 reptilian_thrills; you got crickets in my peanut butter

22:18 schestowitz[TR]; butter? gross!!!

22:18 Helenah; mjg59_: Hi :3

22:19 phanes; hey mjg59_ shut the fuck up

22:19 reptilian_thrills; if your bitter butter makes your batter bitter, get better butter to make your batter better

22:19 Helenah; Woah!

22:19 Helenah; Guys?

22:19 Helenah; :(

22:19 schestowitz[TR]; phanes: muting works

22:19 *Helenah has phanes and mjg59_ make out and kiss

22:19 Helenah; Now be good friends now

22:19 phanes; dude is such a f*cking victim bottom

22:19 schestowitz[TR]; when pigs fly

22:20 mjg59_; phanes: Deliberately misgenderng people doesn't make you look like the good guy

22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

22:20 TR News; Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/

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22:20 TR Bot; Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights

22:20 reptilian_thrills; if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his arse when he hopped

22:20 phanes; mjg59_, yeah, well, the core of your premise fails because only one of us is resting purely on outward appearances by fabricating slights

22:21 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi

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22:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers

22:21 phanes; so put some salt on it and learn to persevere

22:21 mjg59_; I'm pretty sure I'm not fabricating the fact that you're referring to my partner using female pronouns when they're not female

22:21 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi

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22:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers

22:21 schestowitz[TR]; when I was 22 people defamed me online

22:21 schestowitz[TR]; claiming I had changed genders

22:21 reptilian_thrills; claiming I had changed genders <- its possible mjg was in on that

22:21 schestowitz[TR]; and at the time mjg59_ was saying transphobic shit, in his words

22:22 schestowitz[TR]; not me

22:22 Helenah; I am confused cause me and phanes were talking about gender earlier and I found nothing wrong with what they said...

22:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah that was inappropriate of the

22:22 schestowitz[TR]; but now he tries to use that schtick against me

22:22 phanes; mjg59_, yes, yes, in no way are you in a heteronormative cis relationship and misusing a very real cultural movement that very much does need recognized in society to boost your twitter followers to appear relevant

22:22 reptilian_thrills; now he tries to use that schtick against me <- mostly because he considers you a bad ally

22:22 mjg59_; phanes: I'm pretty clearly not in a heteronormative cis relationship?

22:22 reptilian_thrills; though at least you dont misgender his partner (afaik)

22:22 Helenah; Woah yo guys :(

22:22 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/

=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/

22:22 TR Bot; They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights

22:22 *Helenah cries

22:22 schestowitz[TR]; imagine they picks on Torvalds for THIS

22:23 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights

22:23 schestowitz[TR]; just amazing

22:23 reptilian_thrills; torvalds is useless

22:23 phanes; mjg59_, you are very clearly in a heteronormative relationship that you are calling something else to posture as a victim occassionally

22:23 schestowitz[TR]; you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years

22:23 reptilian_thrills; hes done more harm than good

22:23 schestowitz[TR]; and everything he said is in mailing lists

22:23 reptilian_thrills; to both gnu and to bsd

22:23 schestowitz[TR]; so ample data set

22:23 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights

22:23 reptilian_thrills; you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years <- too busy selling out to be a bigot

22:23 Helenah; phanes, mjg59_, Is it really that difficult for you to both like start a new with each other putting the past behind you?

22:23 Helenah; I feel like I'm being er... "nosey"

22:23 schestowitz[TR]; going back to the 1990s "dumb blonde" jokes culture

22:23 Helenah; but I'm really not trying to...

22:23 Helenah; It's just... all this is happening in this channel.

22:23 mjg59_; phanes: Uh I'm super unclear on what you're suggesting here - my partner has been out as non-binary since long before I met them

22:23 Helenah; o.o

22:24 Helenah; mjg59_: So is it possible?

22:24 phanes; Helenah, in order for that to be the case he would need to write letters of apology, publicly, to each individual person he has spent his career defaming and fabricating scandals against

22:24 reptilian_thrills; dumb blonde jokes never died

22:24 reptilian_thrills; theyre all "himbo" jokes now

22:24 Helenah; Oh

22:24 reptilian_thrills; himbos are real ofc

22:24 schestowitz[TR]; in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes were alxso fashionaable

22:24 phanes; Helenah, https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/

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22:24 TR Bot; Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew

22:24 schestowitz[TR]; now few would make them

22:24 reptilian_thrills; and tbh we still make fun of dumb blondes, only now theyre called kardashians and its cool b/c theyre privileged

22:24 schestowitz[TR]; because of all this culture change

22:24 Helenah; phanes: But how does it affect your mental health if like everytime you encounter mjg59_, you have something like... idk how to put it... to say

22:25 Helenah; like of this nature

22:25 mjg59_; Helenah: Chris has a bunch of things he objects to about me, but in this case I'm just asking him to stop misgendering y partner

22:25 mjg59_; Which seems like a pretty easy thing for him to do, so I'm unsure why he's refusing to

22:25 Helenah; phanes: So mjg59_ isn't like debunking what you just said about them.

22:25 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes <- yo mamma so problematic she gets cancelled from the intellectual dark web

22:25 phanes; Helenah, if you read through that index, you'll see over a decade of him using things much like this to posture as a victim to try to rely on that community to be his internet warrios and he's destroyed his credibility with it

22:25 phanes; like literally nothing this guy says is real

22:26 reptilian_thrills; yo mammas so problematic even stallman bans her

22:26 Helenah; I forgot the "justice" thing you said but now I remember.

22:26 reptilian_thrills; yo mammas so problematic mjg cant even

22:26 schestowitz[TR]; you momma so dumb blonde?

22:26 Helenah; phanes: Is this you trying to achieve a justice?

22:26 *Helenah looks

22:26 mjg59_; phanes: dude you're pretty clearly on the wrong side of reality in reference to my partner's gender

22:26 schestowitz[TR]; btw, I bring this up partly due to mxo

22:26 schestowitz[TR]; alex oliva

22:26 reptilian_thrills; what has he done now

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; turns out some people dug up messages he sent as a student in brazil

22:27 phanes; mjg59_, i give absolutely zero shits what you or your partner call themselves or anything else

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; with some dumb blonde jokes

22:27 reptilian_thrills; oh for gods sake

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 1980s

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; or 90s

22:27 reptilian_thrills; wait, thats not new

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; to discredit or blackmail him

22:27 mjg59_; phanes: If you give zero shits, then using the correct pronouns costs you nothing, right?

22:27 schestowitz[TR]; to secure the rms "cancel move"

22:27 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> to discredit or blackmail him <- that reminds me of the uhf scene where weird al goes through al capones glove compartment

22:27 reptilian_thrills; "AHAAA! ROOOAD MAPS!!!!!!"

22:27 phanes; mjg59_, stop victim posturing or you'll just simply be ridiculed and ignored until you're contributing productively

22:28 DaemonFC; Great. The server crashed before I could finish the application.

22:28 schestowitz[TR]; "YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT RICHARD SAID IN 1970!!!"

22:28 DaemonFC; Walmart LOVES Microsoft.

22:28 schestowitz[TR]; it does

22:28 schestowitz[TR]; even cross-pollinatinng

22:28 schestowitz[TR]; the managers

22:28 reptilian_thrills; alex oliva was a HUGE transphobe 20 years ago

22:28 mjg59_; phanes: I'm unclear on how asking you to gender my partner correctly is me being a victim

22:28 reptilian_thrills; he and i ran a camp to reeducate them into cishets

22:28 phanes; mjg59_, nobody's buying your shit man. give it up.

22:28 mjg59_; phanes: Dude there is something extremely wrong with you

22:28 reptilian_thrills; in rio de janiero

22:29 phanes; mjg59_, yet here i am completely unmoved, how about that.

22:29 Helenah; o.o

22:29 reptilian_thrills; we kept them all in shock collars (for their protection) and kuhn was the warden

22:29 mjg59_; phanes: Eh. If you want to look transphobic it's your choice

22:29 reptilian_thrills; i mean head counselor

22:30 phanes; mjg59_, nobody buys that shit either.

22:30 phanes; you're used up

22:30 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights

22:30 frog; i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem, and rollback linux to v2.4 if possible

22:30 mjg59_; phanes: I've asked you to gender my partner correctly, you've refused, I guess we're done

22:30 reptilian_thrills; even cross-pollinatinng <- is that what they call it now

22:30 starstreak; phanes, I'm trans and I think you're being transphobic

22:30 phanes; mjg59_, you were done 5 years ago man. im still going just fine.

22:30 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights

22:31 frog; i don't care if you're all trans or homo

22:31 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ has done nothing significant for years

22:31 reptilian_thrills; anyway, there was a rebellioin, they all broke loose and now half of brazil is trans

22:31 schestowitz[TR]; did not even marry

22:31 schestowitz[TR]; but spent years here in irc, venting

22:31 reptilian_thrills; so basically we lost. but im not mad, i actually think they were right all along

22:31 reptilian_thrills; we made some mistakes

22:31 psydruid; except being a Microsoft booster and future Microsoft employee

22:31 reptilian_thrills; and future Microsoft employee <- this is funny but i doubt it

22:32 reptilian_thrills; i get the "he already works for microsoft" angle

22:32 reptilian_thrills; its one of those things thats true a certain way, just not literally

22:32 Helenah; Paolo Bonzini noticed something a little awkward in the Linux kernel support code for Microsoft's HyperV virtualisation environment - specifically, that the magic constant passed through to the hypervisor was "0xB16B00B5", or, in English, "BIG BOOBS". It turns out that this isn't an exception - when the code was originally submitted it also contained "0x0B00B135". That one got

22:32 Helenah; removed when the Xen support code was ripped out.

22:32 Helenah; At the most basic level it's just straightforward childish humour, and the use of vaguely-English strings in magic hex constants is hardly uncommon. But it's also specifically male childish humour. Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys club where girls aren't welcome. It's especially irritating in this case

22:32 Helenah; because Azure may depend on this constant, so changing it will break things.

22:32 Helenah; So, full marks, Microsoft. You've managed to make the kernel more offensive to half the population and you've made it awkward for us to rectify it.

22:32 Helenah; So erm... and how would this affect and offend me?

22:32 reptilian_thrills; dfc worked for them

22:32 Helenah; Why would I make this a problem for myself if I ever saw such in code?

22:32 reptilian_thrills; i always assumed in a less limited capacity

22:33 reptilian_thrills; due partly to not knowing exactly what a microsoft mvp was

22:33 reptilian_thrills; if id been cynical enough (point for mincer) i could have guessed

22:33 phanes; mjg59_, btw on a completely unrelated topic, how is drafting those apology letters going?

22:34 Helenah; mjg59_: Is your name Paolo Bonzini?

22:34 mjg59_; Helenah: No

22:34 phanes; mjg59_, i also assume these letters will include retractions for the lies you've told about people

22:34 psydruid; It's me, Paolo

22:35 psydruid; Or no

22:35 TR News; People write proprietary software just for a salary. No personal pride or recognition in it.

22:35 psydruid; It's me, Mario

22:35 reptilian_thrills; /me wonders who actually thinks it fucking matters that oliva made some dumb blonde jokes

22:35 mjg59_; phanes: I remain unaware of any lies I've told about people.

22:35 reptilian_thrills; 20-30 years ago

22:35 reptilian_thrills; sarah mei

22:36 reptilian_thrills; grand inquisitor

22:36 reptilian_thrills; ice

22:36 phanes; mjg59_, you can pretend that but literally anyone who can read and has an internet connection has an indexed list of just the ones i know about and have documented in an indexed, chronological order

22:36 reptilian_thrills; so she knows all about going after south americans, eh

22:37 reptilian_thrills; "get back on your side of the wall!"

22:37 reptilian_thrills; "fence"

22:37 phanes; mjg59_, you can deny that you are aware of this, but I know factually that you have seen it many times

22:37 reptilian_thrills; "your side of the fence!"

22:37 mjg59_; phanes: Me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie?

22:37 reptilian_thrills; what do we want? fence! when do we want it? fence!

22:37 schestowitz[TR]; mei oh mei!

22:37 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi

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22:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights

22:37 phanes; mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said

22:37 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, attack surface btw! :D

22:38 reptilian_thrills; 1700 malware and counting

22:38 mjg59_; phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that your list is totally a list of me saying lies. Can you let me know what subset of the list contains me telling lies?

22:38 phanes; mjg59_, if you can't bring yourself to be an honest person, bring yourself to be a much quieter person -- you are outclassed and no amount of misrepresentation will win you any battles with me.

22:38 reptilian_thrills; /me runs malware updates

22:39 TR News; (How do you pronounce BeOS?) https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/going-where-beos-netpositive-hasnt-gone.html

=> ↺ https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/going-where-beos-netpositive-hasnt-gone.html

22:39 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: Going where BeOS NetPositive hasn't gone before: NetPositive+

22:39 phanes; mjg59_, there's just not an argument to have. improve or fade into obscurity and shame.

22:39 reptilian_thrills; sarah mei: if you dont fire stallman and oliva imma put oliva in a concentration camp because hes not progressive enough!

22:39 TR News; World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040 https://interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040 Source: Interesting Engineering | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040

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22:39 reptilian_thrills; okay eva braun, calm the fuck down

22:39 TR Bot; World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040

22:39 mjg59_; phanes: I'm sorry to break it to you, but other than you literally nobody cares about you

22:39 Helenah; Rise up like a tower, allow the wind to strengthen your back as it blows you about

22:39 reptilian_thrills; /me checks sarah meis roots

22:39 Helenah; Come back ever bigger and stronger

22:39 phanes; mjg59_, good thing it's not about me, then; you are failing to hit your mark.

22:39 reptilian_thrills; you never know...

22:40 Helenah; mjg59_: I don't care about phanes? o.O

22:40 reptilian_thrills; you can only make fun of dumb blondes when theyre alt-right

22:40 Helenah; Then why was I touched by his NPD story?

22:40 TR News; Just boycott Walmart. It hates people, why should people tolerate that? https://retailwire.com/discussion/walmart-makes-a-deal-to-automate-and-own-the-last-mile/

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22:40 TR Bot; makes a deal to automate and own the last mile - RetailWire

22:40 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: ^

22:40 Helenah; Where as you on the other hand, I don't really know you at all.

22:41 phanes; that would be the "obscurity" blade on the "obscurity and shame" sword

22:41 Helenah; Oh

22:41 mjg59_; Helenah: You should consider the possibility that he's lying about it

22:41 phanes; oh, am I a big liar now?

22:41 Helenah; mjg59_: But I can't prove it or disprove it.

22:41 phanes; lol "this 3rd party archive list of events is a lie"

22:42 mjg59_; Helenah: True! But he did write a lengthy series of blog posts about it and then weirdly removed his name from it

22:42 reptilian_thrills; faux news: dumb blondes

22:42 phanes; like it's even sourced

22:42 Helenah; mjg59_: But that could mean anything.

22:42 reptilian_thrills; entire democratic party: sacred

22:42 Helenah; Like I can't find out why phanes would do that, nor can you.

22:42 reptilian_thrills; everyone connected to ice: mixed bag

22:42 Helenah; We don't know phanes in real life.

22:43 mjg59_; He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account

22:43 phanes; mjg59_, one of us has a long and documented history of exposing bad actors and the other has a long and documented history of being called out for lying about people

22:43 Helenah; But phanes claims you lie so.

22:43 *Helenah shrugs

22:43 mjg59_; When actually he renamed that twitter account and deleted some tweets from it

22:43 reptilian_thrills; He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account <- i hope you sent him to the principals office

22:43 phanes; like you literally have no power here

22:43 mjg59_; And then created another account under the original name

22:43 phanes; it won't work

22:43 reptilian_thrills; i would write a note to his parents

22:43 mjg59_; Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that

22:44 reptilian_thrills; Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that <- agreed

22:44 mjg59_; Like, dude, just admit you created a twitter account to harass people under someone else's name

22:44 reptilian_thrills; fwiw i honestly find it hard to trust oliva. im not sure hes dishonest (in any broad or meaningful way)

22:44 Helenah; I'm going to be honest here...

22:44 Helenah; You seem to be calling each other the same thing, a liar.

22:44 reptilian_thrills; to harass people under someone else's name <- it would be better to admit who he was harassing, if harassing them was so important

22:44 reptilian_thrills; who was he harassing?

22:45 Helenah; How am I... supposed to make sense of that? D

22:45 Helenah; :D

22:45 Helenah; I can't!

22:46 phanes; every time he does this i work on presenting the content a little more cleanly to highlight the pattern in a more obvious way

22:46 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I've also changed my name on accounts but there was certainly no sinister reason to me doing so.

22:46 *phanes clears his schedule

22:46 Helenah; So why would I take your reason for phanes changing name on an account as the valid one?

22:47 starstreak; Smoke weed every day

22:47 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: He created a twitter account called void_witch2 to harass people who signed the RMS letter, when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it

22:47 Helenah; Even if you said the reason was non-sinister, why would I take that reason as a valid one?

22:47 phanes; and there's a new entry

22:47 reptilian_thrills; when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it <- this is poor form imo

22:47 mjg59_; Helenah: https://web.archive.org/web/20161203110759/http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ is the weird blog website

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22:47 TR Bot; The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement

22:48 reptilian_thrills; also i didnt know he was harassing people who signed the letter :)

22:48 phanes; i wasn't

22:48 mjg59_; Helenah: If you visit the live copy at http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ every reference to "Chris Punches" has been replaced with "Jerry Thibodeau"

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22:48 TR Bot; The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement

22:48 phanes; that's just a twist he adds to it

22:48 reptilian_thrills; /me smiles inside

22:48 reptilian_thrills; but in all seriousness i have no idea what he said so

22:48 reptilian_thrills; some of it may be unfair

22:49 reptilian_thrills; like i get why roy points so many unfair/unsubstantiated claims at you

22:49 phanes; its a defensive fabrication he's created to justify his initial defamation of me

22:49 TR News; "The planned European Digital Identity is intended to give EU citizens access to public and private digital services and enable them to pay online" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/european-digital-identity-eu-parliament-wants-decentralized-data-storage-and-right-to-anonymity/

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22:49 TR Bot; European Digital Identity: EU Parliament wants decentralized data storage and right to anonymity Patrick Breyer

22:49 reptilian_thrills; its sort of divine justice because... i mean assuming you did anything like that

22:49 reptilian_thrills; but just because youre the local face of the cancel mob doesnt mean we can blame you for everything either

22:49 TR News; In these times of war, it is absolutely crucial to still be able to make anonymous payments to support those that are the most at risk of being persecuted." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/pirates-are-against-the-new-rules-on-crypto-assets-which-will-ban-anonymous-payments/

=> ↺ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/pirates-are-against-the-new-rules-on-crypto-assets-which-will-ban-anonymous-payments/

22:49 reptilian_thrills; unless thats also part of the joke...

22:49 TR Bot; Pirates are against the new rules on crypto assets which will ban anonymous payments Patrick Breyer

22:50 reptilian_thrills; but tbh i dont think its anything as clever as that

22:50 reptilian_thrills; i think its not ironic scapegoating (which i would find funny) but actual scapegoating

22:50 reptilian_thrills; and my biggest problem with that isnt that its unfair to you of course

22:50 reptilian_thrills; its that its too fair to EVERYONE ELSE

22:51 reptilian_thrills; its like if 1000 people shot a guy and you execute the one that drove the car

22:51 Helenah; So who is Chris and who is Courtney?

22:51 reptilian_thrills; i hate that sort of miscarriage of justice

22:51 Helenah; Courtney sounds familiar

22:51 TR News; Mercedes-Benz gives data to the NSA https://staceyoniot.com/iot-news-of-the-week-for-oct-14-2022/

=> ↺ https://staceyoniot.com/iot-news-of-the-week-for-oct-14-2022/

22:51 TR Bot; IoT news of the week for Oct. 14, 2022 - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis

22:51 reptilian_thrills; even when i dont like the people its aimed at

22:51 phanes; Helenah, I am Chris

22:51 Helenah; I met a new zealandic girl called courtney

22:51 reptilian_thrills; i dont think they should have hanged saddam either

22:51 Helenah; phanes: Ah

22:51 reptilian_thrills; if they invaded at all (which seems bogus)

22:51 reptilian_thrills; they could have at least shot him like he preferred

22:51 TR News; (The many pieces involved in a SSD's performance also provide plenty of room for differences between SSDs, much more so than there's been in HDDs for a long time. Manufacturers can even switch components and change designs within the same model over time, with visible performance effects (generally it goes down).) b

22:51 reptilian_thrills; its a perfectly reasonable request

22:52 TR News; [ctd.] "Because there are no slow mechanical parts to SSDs (only somewhat slow flash parts), the speed of everything else in the system also increasingly matters" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions

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22:52 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions

22:52 Helenah; So who is Katrina St. Jean?

22:52 reptilian_thrills; why did they hang him? politics

22:52 reptilian_thrills; i fucking loathe it

22:52 reptilian_thrills; nvm that i was against the invasion before, during and after

22:52 frog; reptilian_thrills: saddam deployed chemical weapons

22:52 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill_(activist)

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22:52 TR Bot; Joe Hill (activist) - Wikipedia

22:53 mjg59_; phanes: Is it a lie to say that you renamed a twitter account called lord_bagira to void_witch2? And it a lie to say that you later renamed that accont to equitis_rubrum and then created a new account called void_witch2?

22:53 phanes; Helenah, Katrina at the time was a bystander to the whole thing because i had moved hundreds of miles away to get out of the net and was still being bombarded with false accusations that couldn't be true without close proximity

22:53 reptilian_thrills; ive been proteting iraq since (early) 2003

22:53 schestowitz[TR]; in 2010 they would not execute him like that

22:53 schestowitz[TR]; by accusing him of murder

22:53 schestowitz[TR]; he was a swede

22:53 phanes; mjg59_, im not going to teach you to refine your lie to be more believable

22:53 schestowitz[TR]; they'd claim he raped scores of swedes

22:53 schestowitz[TR]; and then "kill" him online

22:53 reptilian_thrills; in 2010 saddam would get cancelled on twitter and his palace would get taken over by microsoft and ibm :)

22:53 reptilian_thrills; right!

22:54 reptilian_thrills; ok you were going in the same direction

22:54 schestowitz[TR]; yeah

22:54 mjg59_; phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that I'm lying there

22:54 Helenah; mjg59_: What if phanes did lie in the past about things and is still lying about those things already lied about via shame? What if from there onwards things are truthful? Why continually get on phanes's case about that?

22:54 phanes; No it was all true Helenah -- I've never lied about people

22:55 Helenah; Okies

22:55 Helenah; I'm a very impartial person as you may have noticed.

22:55 phanes; I have literally only ever exposed people who do those kinds of things and have spent most of my adult life exposing people like that because I think they need to be more visible in the social consciousness to protect people

22:55 mjg59_; Helenah: He wrote an entire website to call me a liar, which seems a bit weird

22:56 schestowitz[TR]; if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II

22:56 phanes; mjg59_, yes and it will become more refined over the years and will continue to collect instances where you lie about people as you make them or as they are found

22:56 schestowitz[TR]; but it's like a coc committee, the rules are enforced only by a glofied bunch of "the few"

22:56 phanes; it will also become higher ranked in search engines eventually and will work its way into your daily conversations as time goes on

22:56 phanes; that's the good part

22:56 Helenah; mjg59_: phanes spoke to me about their "justice" principle earlier.

22:56 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II <- both are war criminals and torturers

22:57 phanes; the bad part is after that, it will stop getting brought up by those same people

22:57 Helenah; With that in mind, if the website is true, it's not very weird.

22:57 Helenah; :)

22:57 Helenah; And in character for phanes

22:57 Helenah; based on that aspect alone

22:57 mjg59_; phanes: But you've already admitted that it contains examples where I'm not lying

22:57 phanes; mjg59_, no things you say on my behalf are not things that I said

22:57 phanes; mjg59_, you continue to make that mistake

22:57 reptilian_thrills; actual war criminals. not war criminals becaus they said something about another war criminal in an email in 1997

22:57 reptilian_thrills; and that means theyre war criminal apologists

22:58 reptilian_thrills; and that means natalie wynn is a terf

22:58 frog; jesus, everyone has made one or another mistake in life

22:58 phanes; mjg59_, what I did say is that you are outclassed, and I have also said at times that I've studied your disorder, and I've also said that there's only one way out of it.

22:58 frog; is it necessary nowadays, to become a holy saint blessed by the pope, to participate with free software?

22:58 schestowitz[TR]; Theodore tso is therapist apologist

22:58 reptilian_thrills; i was watching lonely island today and found they did a video (which i saw years ago) with actual john waters

22:58 reptilian_thrills; Theodore tso is therapist apologist <- hes a dumb blonde joke apologist too

22:59 schestowitz[TR]; linus torvsalds is therapist patient

22:59 Helenah; mjg59_: Do you have NPD?

22:59 frog; meanwhile, i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem and never again depend on it with free software

22:59 reptilian_thrills; linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist

22:59 phanes; mjg59_, if you find a way to destroy me, that won't make it go away. It'll just make me more determined. Write those letters.

22:59 Helenah; If you say "No", is there a chance you have something you do not recognise as being disorderly?

22:59 mjg59_; phanes: Are you seriously going to argue that me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie?

22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 117.01

22:59 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist

22:59 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they will fidn something on the health subject

22:59 mjg59_; Helenah: To the best of my knowledge, I don't. My therapists have never suggested it.

11 PM, October 15

23:00 schestowitz[TR]; it's the US, not finland

23:00 phanes; mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said

23:00 schestowitz[TR]; they could use repeat clients

23:00 schestowitz[TR]; *healthy subject

23:00 reptilian_thrills; they could put his dna on github

23:00 reptilian_thrills; and then recode it in rust

23:00 schestowitz[TR]; in the copilot plagiarism blender

23:00 Helenah; DNA doesn't work like that reptilian_thrills

23:00 mjg59_; phanes: Ok. So if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is one of the examples on your website, and if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick isn't a lie, then your website contains examples of my behaviour that don't involve me lying.

23:00 Helenah; You can't simply recode it with some language. lol

23:00 reptilian_thrills; and then put crickets in the linucks kernel

23:01 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered

23:01 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in the copilot plagiarism blender <- i prefer to think of it like the machine in the fly

23:01 phanes; mjg59_, you're also out of ammunition. Every disabling embarrassment you've found is already addressed and disarmed as a weapon. You'll have to find something internal that can unlock your situation.

23:01 Helenah; But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses.

23:01 schestowitz[TR]; bill: shot of tetanus for rust: $10; nurse: $100; hospital visit: $1000

23:01 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered <- ah yes, to weaken his immune system to everything but tetanus!

23:02 phanes; mjg59_, https://youtu.be/fYI36CVar_8

=> ↺ https://youtu.be/fYI36CVar_8

23:02 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8

=> ↺ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8

23:02 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8 )

=> ↺ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8

23:02 reptilian_thrills; "yes youre impervious to tetanus now. but watch out for tea with a bit of mould cause it will fucking kill you now"

23:02 Helenah; But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses. < reptilian_thrills

23:03 reptilian_thrills; not that you should make mouldy tea, just that youd more than likely live

23:03 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: sounds like a misunderstanding

23:03 Helenah; I'm probably some level 1 dumbo at rock bottom in your eyes, reptilian_thrills and in your eyes I probably can't make it to level 5 like you are because I'm a woman.

23:03 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It is? They've ghosted even the first line I ever said to them, ever!

23:04 reptilian_thrills; brb

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23:04 schestowitz[TR]; i never saw evidence of him discriminating against women

23:04 Helenah; Well the only thing they knew about me at the time was my fucking nickname!

23:04 Helenah; I'm right to have my suspicions...

23:04 Helenah; and that reptilian guy not willing to fucking clear things up

23:04 Helenah; because he's ignorant and doesn't care to respond to a single bloody thing I ever said to him or in front of him...

23:05 schestowitz[TR]; I'd have to scroll up and check

23:06 Helenah; My suspicians aren't ill founded...

23:06 Helenah; *suspicions

23:06 TR News; "Does this TCP level serialization matter? I don't know." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer

=> ↺ https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer

23:06 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer

23:06 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: maybe you are right

23:06 Helenah; There is valid reasoning behind it...

23:06 schestowitz[TR]; I'll ask upon reconnection

23:06 Helenah; Sure, please do.

23:06 Helenah; Cause I've spoken to a brick wall a dozen times now and I don't appreciate the wasted energy...

23:07 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: on another note, how is life?

23:07 schestowitz[TR]; been a warn October

23:07 schestowitz[TR]; *Warmn

23:07 schestowitz[TR]; -ish

23:08 TR News; No, that would mean more surveillance by already-dodgy companies https://staceyoniot.com/podcast-why-roku-needs-the-smart-home/

=> ↺ https://staceyoniot.com/podcast-why-roku-needs-the-smart-home/

23:08 TR Bot; Podcast: Why Roku needs the smart home - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis

23:08 Helenah; It's good :D

23:08 frog; linux-2.4 didn't have support for HyperV, to whom it may concern

23:08 schestowitz[TR]; considering what the average family goes through, good means exceptional

23:09 schestowitz[TR]; forkbombe: even 3.0 I reckon

23:09 schestowitz[TR]; frog: ^

23:09 schestowitz[TR]; it was added by Novell around 2009

23:09 frog; currently, i am too tired, need a few days before i continue

23:10 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/its-official-linux-3-0-released/

=> ↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/its-official-linux-3-0-released/

23:10 TR Bot; It's Official: Linux 3.0 Released - Linux Foundation

23:10 schestowitz[TR]; Jul 22 2011

23:10 schestowitz[TR]; after Novell was sold

23:10 Helenah; Fuck it's been that long? o:

23:11 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Someone doesn't need to outwardly be prejudice to be prejudice, they can secretly hold it internally and never express prejudism but use more stealthy approaches.

23:11 frog; and this is what i told German Railway, Telekom, and EPA, what i am doing

23:11 Helenah; and seriously ghosting doesn't happen for no reason, there is something in it.

23:11 TR News; Can we, like... stop calling everything "HEY HI" while adding robot stock photographs? https://thenextweb.com/news/common-sense-test-for-ai-smarter-machines promoting sick agenda using words that lack substance

=> ↺ https://thenextweb.com/news/common-sense-test-for-ai-smarter-machines

23:11 TR Bot; A new common sense test for AI could lead to smarter machines

23:12 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: I can try to be a mediator

23:12 frog; that i want to roll-back, and remove various GNU stuff

23:12 schestowitz[TR]; but then I too might be blacklisted

23:12 frog; and, it's very difficult, and almost impossible nowadays

23:12 schestowitz[TR]; you use a gentoo base

23:12 Helenah; It has happened to me before just like he did where the only thing they know about me is my name is Helena and I said Hi to them.

23:13 schestowitz[TR]; a modern one

23:13 frog; the giant mountain of electronics waste wreckage, none of it is "sustainable"

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23:13 Helenah; and that's the annoying thing about being a woman, what I say comes last with a misogynistic group of people who won't be obviously misogynist.

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23:13 schestowitz[TR]; one option you have is, run a new distro with an internet-turned-off VM of an old distro

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23:14 schestowitz[TR]; hi reptilian_thrills

23:14 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah lives near us

23:14 schestowitz[TR]; you said you used to live in the UK also

23:14 reptilian_thrills; thats right

23:15 schestowitz[TR]; she's nice

23:15 reptilian_thrills; lol wut

23:15 schestowitz[TR]; and wonders why you don't seem to respond

23:15 reptilian_thrills; /me turns the monitor sideways and back

23:15 reptilian_thrills; maybe im not holding it right

23:16 TR News; BMW: we helped the Nazis, now we help the US put listening devices in your car https://voicebot.ai/2022/09/30/alexa-custom-assistant-will-power-bmws-voice-ai/

=> ↺ https://voicebot.ai/2022/09/30/alexa-custom-assistant-will-power-bmws-voice-ai/

23:16 TR Bot; Custom Assistant Will Power BMW's Voice AI - Voicebot.ai

23:16 Helenah; Lol, what? You happened to have no seen the multiple things I've said to you? I'm not sure how you can see the lines of a select few people unless you have me on your ignore list...

23:16 schestowitz[TR]; voice HEY HI

23:16 schestowitz[TR]; we used to have other terms for bugs

23:16 schestowitz[TR]; now it's HEY HI

23:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Assistent"

23:16 schestowitz[TR]; smart assistant"

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; "welcome to hellenah"

23:17 reptilian_thrills; she wore a raspberry spy

23:17 Helenah; It's not a bug though if people opt to have it in their home.

23:17 Helenah; A bug is something you didn't consent to.

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; wait

23:17 reptilian_thrills; the kind you buy second hand on ebay

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; it's not that simpe

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; gifting aaside

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; some people share a home

23:17 schestowitz[TR]; with family members

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23:18 schestowitz[TR]; some companies put that in an office

23:18 schestowitz[TR]; or inside car when you never opt in

23:18 Helenah; Well in that case it's valid for members of the home.

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23:18 schestowitz[TR]; not all of them

23:18 schestowitz[TR]; then there is antoher issue

23:18 schestowitz[TR]; kids.

23:18 schestowitz[TR]; do kids consent

23:18 schestowitz[TR]; can they?

23:19 Helenah; And doesn't the wake word not stop it from listening in?

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; also, "kids say the arnest thing"

23:19 Helenah; Can kids consent to having smart phones?

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; -said asome famous pervery called bill

23:19 reptilian_thrills; Helenah <- sorry if you were trying to talk to me before

23:19 Helenah; They still have them

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; not cosby and agtes

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; or clinton

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and the kids can tell "alexa" sutf about mom and dad

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; Can kids consent to having smart phones?

23:19 reptilian_thrills; i nearly whitelist new names at this point

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; no

23:19 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist and this is a problem in myself, I'm sorry.

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and I ibject to them having those

23:19 schestowitz[TR]; since the 90s

23:19 reptilian_thrills; close enough

23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

23:20 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Kids didn't really have them in the 90s.

23:20 Helenah; Well not in the UK

23:20 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: mystery solved

23:20 Helenah; In the 90s, I never saw a kid with a mobile phone.

23:20 reptilian_thrills; I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages

23:20 Helenah; Because it was seen as not a toy

23:20 schestowitz[TR]; whitelist based irc

23:20 Helenah; therefore it was seen as something that a kid shouldn't have

23:20 reptilian_thrills; if you mean that i defend alex oliva making stupid jokes in his 20s, yes

23:21 Helenah; and yes I don't understand why all of a sudden it's fine for kids to have phones.

23:21 reptilian_thrills; i think its safe to say everyones a little misogynist, hopefully not too much

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; phones is one thing

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; what we have now itn''s a phone

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; but a spying device with a "Call" app

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; aside from health issus

23:21 Helenah; Well I say "phone"

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; and those phones put kids at risk

23:21 Helenah; cause everyone else does

23:21 schestowitz[TR]; not just from pedos but also robberies

23:21 Helenah; but I'm more for the old fashioned term of phone

23:22 Helenah; the proper term

23:22 Helenah; which means that to me

23:22 schestowitz[TR]; remember when you were a kid

23:22 Helenah; really smartphones are not phones

23:22 Helenah; they're pocketable computers

23:22 schestowitz[TR]; mom and dad would not give you 200 pounds in notes

23:22 Helenah; general purpose embedded devices

23:22 reptilian_thrills; /me really hope that shes not german

23:22 Helenah; with a piece of software on it called a softphone

23:22 schestowitz[TR]; just enough to buy some junk

23:22 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think so

23:22 Helenah; ie a telephone emulation

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23:22 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, over time

23:23 schestowitz[TR]; it becomes more ip-based

23:23 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: It really is just a problem in myself.

23:23 schestowitz[TR]; many now use whatsapp

23:23 schestowitz[TR]; i never used it

23:23 Helenah; I've been ghosted by guys loads of times.

23:23 schestowitz[TR]; or saw it

23:23 schestowitz[TR]; but I hear people use it a lot

23:23 Helenah; maybe you weren't trying to ghost me.

23:23 reptilian_thrills; ghosting sucks. though i only consider it ghosting personally if there was a friendship or relationship prior to the ghosting

23:23 frog; what is ghosting?

23:23 Helenah; Pascal was developed by a woman if I remember correctly.

23:23 reptilian_thrills; no, i was just filtering the chat, its not because of you personally

23:24 Helenah; oh

23:24 *geert huggs Helenah, schestowitz, frog and even reptilian_thrills

23:24 schestowitz[TR]; the channel can be full of crap without filters

23:24 schestowitz[TR]; I too filter the chat a bit

23:24 schestowitz[TR]; not for the logs, just for me

23:24 Helenah; Oh it wasn't pascal

23:24 geert; interpretation

23:24 schestowitz[TR]; hi geert

23:24 reptilian_thrills; yeah sometimes ill miss something and go back and check the logs

23:24 geert; :)

23:24 geert; i got a bit sessy

23:24 Helenah; It was cobal

23:24 reptilian_thrills; i saw roy imply i was ignoring someone, wondered what he meant

23:24 Helenah; cobol

23:24 reptilian_thrills; then guessed correctly

23:24 geert; plz no penal lines here too :s

23:24 Helenah; Grace Hopper

23:25 reptilian_thrills; 22:24 Grace Hopper

23:25 schestowitz[TR]; yeah

23:25 schestowitz[TR]; I was gonna say

23:25 DaemonFC; Of course Walmart's beneficiary app only works in Internet Exploder.

23:25 reptilian_thrills; 22:20 <reptilian_thrills> I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages

23:25 schestowitz[TR]; pascal was my first proper p/l

23:25 schestowitz[TR]; not scripting langs

23:25 reptilian_thrills; yeah hopper invented modern languages (imo)

23:25 DaemonFC; So I'm downloading a Virtualbox image of Windows 10 to deal with this.

23:25 DaemonFC; Can you believe this fucking shit?

23:25 reptilian_thrills; syntax-wise

23:25 schestowitz[TR]; pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills

23:26 reptilian_thrills; pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills <- this is so markov

23:26 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Yes I read that already :D

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; because he left the chanbnel for months after a banal conversation about pascal had taken place

23:26 Helenah; Though

23:26 Helenah; It is hard keeping track in this channel

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; so people figured out it cann't be pascal that out him off

23:26 DaemonFC; https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/

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23:26 TR Bot; Virtual Machines - Microsoft Edge Developer

23:26 Helenah; because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information

23:26 reptilian_thrills; It is hard keeping track in this channel <- the bots dont help imo

23:26 DaemonFC; The password to your VM is "Passw0rd!"

23:26 DaemonFC; LOL

23:26 reptilian_thrills; because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information <- thats true

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: they are consistently name

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; so easy to mute

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; *nbamed

23:26 schestowitz[TR]; *named

23:26 reptilian_thrills; so easy to mute <- yes

23:26 reptilian_thrills; thats fair

23:26 Helenah; DaemonFC is notorious for the information dumping

23:27 Helenah; No offense meant DaemonFC

23:27 geert; oof i actually never got to properly utilize any p/l

23:27 schestowitz[TR]; wall of text

23:27 schestowitz[TR]; and also offensive at times

23:27 reptilian_thrills; what do we want? wall! when do we want it? wall!

23:27 Helenah; That...

23:27 Helenah; I know that line...

23:27 Helenah; It's from a song...

23:27 DaemonFC; Someone activated mjg59_ earlier.

23:27 reptilian_thrills; its actually from a guy in canada

23:27 Helenah; What do we want? .... When do we want it? NOW!

23:27 Helenah; Oh

23:28 reptilian_thrills; yeah its based on an old chant

23:28 TR News; Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2022/october/rare-electrical-recordings-of-the-human-brain-give-detailed-pict.html Source: uni New York

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23:28 TR Bot; Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity

23:28 Helenah; :D

23:28 DaemonFC; Insert Quarter......get 15 minutes of mjg59_ ranting about transphobes that he saw in his morning cereal.

23:28 frog; most people here talk to themselves only it seems

23:28 reptilian_thrills; i dont think the chant can be traced to its author

23:28 reptilian_thrills; its got a life of its own now

23:28 TR News; "The adoption of online grocery is expected to be even higher in parts of Europe." https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/retail/our-insights/the-state-of-grocery-retail-around-the-world?cid=app

=> ↺ https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/retail/our-insights/the-state-of-grocery-retail-around-the-world?cid=app

23:28 TR Bot; global grocery retail sector in 2022 and beyond | McKinsey

23:29 Helenah; I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days?

23:29 reptilian_thrills; folk music is like this too, things get attributed to the first guy to record it for sun house

23:29 Helenah; 1950s cobol was developed, weren't it?

23:29 reptilian_thrills; I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days <- i mean she owned the floor when she walked into it

23:29 reptilian_thrills; hopper was a boss

23:29 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, cobol was like a spec

23:29 Helenah; Hell I even got mansplained when building my shed. I just told all the men to go fuck off.

23:29 schestowitz[TR]; and multiple implementations would exist

23:30 Helenah; and the shed was complete

23:30 Helenah; and sound

23:30 reptilian_thrills; look at her in front of the univac, surrounded by guys (even a black guy, considering how old the picture is)

23:30 reptilian_thrills; she commands respect

23:30 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: just try not to overgeneralise

23:30 schestowitz[TR]; there are thousands of cultures in the world

23:30 schestowitz[TR]; more than british accents ;-)

23:30 reptilian_thrills; there are thousands of cultures in the world <- at least there used to be

23:31 reptilian_thrills; hundreds of distros too

23:31 frog; among the earliest programming languages were Zuse Plankalkuel and Algol

23:31 reptilian_thrills; what design did you go for when building the shed

23:31 reptilian_thrills; or did you draw the plans up

23:31 schestowitz[TR]; thousands of distros if you count barely-used ones

23:31 schestowitz[TR]; that DW did not list

23:31 schestowitz[TR]; we used to have our own for boytcottnovell

23:31 schestowitz[TR]; sueme linus

23:31 frog; and there isn't hundreds of distros either, most of them just swap wallpaper and gnome theming

23:31 geert; cultures, another name for often conditioned pretenses to try escape on reality of serious individualism

23:31 geert; : feeling alone

23:31 reptilian_thrills; sueme

23:31 reptilian_thrills; he

23:32 geert; in many occasions as i get to see it

23:32 geert; gimme sec i get some incoming, hackers or something lol

23:32 schestowitz[TR]; it was fashionable to make mixing tools for make-your-own distro over a decadea go

23:32 schestowitz[TR]; but the fad pased

23:32 reptilian_thrills; people still do it

23:32 reptilian_thrills; its just not in vogue anymore

23:33 schestowitz[TR]; you can make metapackages for it

23:33 schestowitz[TR]; and use a template as base

23:33 reptilian_thrills; i didnt because metapackages would be 100x more tedious

23:33 reptilian_thrills; and not fix things i wanted the power to fix

23:33 reptilian_thrills; my system worked around broken package REGIMES like apt

23:33 Helenah; There you go, my shed built! I got no strength but I even lifted the flags. https://i.imgur.com/dg5krHy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q6zkFnN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ukey6yp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PCoNeyj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MCsxZVE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AwU8a4k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v58O2dU.jpg

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23:33 Helenah; Yep, I lifted slabs by hand.

23:33 Helenah; on my own!!!

23:33 reptilian_thrills; apt is a package middleman, its not even a manager

23:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2018/04/27/flatpak-inception/

=> ↺ https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2018/04/27/flatpak-inception/

23:33 TR Bot; Flatpak inception Alexander Larsson

23:33 Helenah; lol

23:34 reptilian_thrills; flatpak is even worse than apt

23:34 reptilian_thrills; why does everything take users FARTHER from controlling their computing? wait, i know

23:34 reptilian_thrills; because open source is the free software thermidor

23:34 phanes; flatpak, snapd et al are based on flawed concepts and should not be used on any system

23:35 Helenah; phanes: Agreed

23:35 frog; the package management and build system of oasis linux are fundementally different, to most any other linux and bsd

23:35 Helenah; and the concept was used by Google in their Android devices

23:35 reptilian_thrills; counterrevolution os, now on github

23:35 TR News; How Palantir will steal the NHS https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/01/the-palantir-will-see-you-now/#public-private-partnership espionage is NOT health

=> ↺ https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/01/the-palantir-will-see-you-now/#public-private-partnership

23:35 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 01 Oct 2022 How Palantir will steal the NHS Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

23:35 Helenah; in that each app is contained inside its very own userland.

23:35 reptilian_thrills; i have one google device and the batterys been dead since i moved here

23:35 Helenah; So app 1 has userland 1, app 2 has userland 2 and so on and so forth.

23:35 frog; flatpak is just another minor annoyance, to stay away from most of what free software communities excrete nowadays

23:35 phanes; unless a package manager is introduced during the early stages of -building- the -os- prior to distribution then it can't meet its purpose

23:36 reptilian_thrills; i could charge it, but unless i intend to use it i dont know why i would

23:36 Helenah; And it was to take security out of the hands of users when users should be responsible for their own security.

23:36 TR News; Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/donald-trump-january-6th-and-the-elusive-search-for-accountability Source: New Yorker

=> ↺ https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/donald-trump-january-6th-and-the-elusive-search-for-accountability

23:36 TR Bot; Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker

23:36 reptilian_thrills; perhaps it will refuse to charge :)

23:36 Helenah; Instead people who are security-aware are now subject to mess arounds.

23:36 frog; GNU shit with corporate branding

23:36 Helenah; because of people setting like silly passwords excusing that behaviour with the fact they've to press buttons on a touchscreen.

23:36 Helenah; Like... what I mean by mess arounds is like

23:37 TR News; Lipstick on a Pig - Pixel Envy https://pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/

=> ↺ https://pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/

23:37 TR Bot; Lipstick on a Pig Pixel Envy

23:37 Helenah; being subject to 2 factor authentication which is what the web developers want you to use even if you have your own way of keeping yourself secure, these developers will not allow you that choice.

23:37 Helenah; I hate being forced to depend on a phone number.

23:37 reptilian_thrills; sorry we need your phone number to accept the password on your anonymous account.

23:37 phanes; yeah MFA won't be seen 10 years from now the same way its seen now

23:38 reptilian_thrills; it will absolutely link all your separate accounts together, but we assure you, that does nother bother us.

23:38 TR News; "A new tool now lets anyone see just how much money some users have lost after the troubled crypto lender filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in July." https://decrypt.co/111550/new-tool-shows-how-much-users-lost-celsius-bankruptcy

=> ↺ https://decrypt.co/111550/new-tool-shows-how-much-users-lost-celsius-bankruptcy

23:38 TR Bot; New Tool Shows Just How Much Users Lost in Celsius Bankruptcy - Decrypt

23:38 reptilian_thrills; if anything it makes your aggregate data much more valuable

23:38 Helenah; The moment it was being widely used I was seeing it was a huge inconvenience phanes

23:38 reptilian_thrills; when we sell it

23:38 Helenah; More of an inconvenience than randomly generating passwords with high entropy and using password managers and using RSA keys.

23:38 reptilian_thrills; people who foisted 2fa on the world should be lined up against a wall

23:39 Helenah; And it isn't security, it's obscurity

23:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's complexity

23:39 Helenah; it's just making it hard for anyone who knows your credentials to actually use them

23:39 reptilian_thrills; it isnt security, its invasion of privacy

23:39 Helenah; If they find your phone, they're in

23:39 schestowitz[TR]; and that gets worse when people steal a "phone"

23:39 phanes; there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it can go

23:39 geert; nah theres different types of 2fa applications

23:39 phanes; there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it look stupid* can go

23:39 Helenah; If you lose your phone, you could be in big shit.

23:39 geert; dont necessarily need to be obscurity i think

23:39 Helenah; with companies you owe cash to

23:39 reptilian_thrills; biometric data isnt a password its a username

23:39 Helenah; because you can't sign into your billing accounts to pay debts

23:39 reptilian_thrills; your phone number isnt a password and shouldnt be used as one

23:40 Helenah; because you know your credentials but your phone gone missing or broke.

23:40 phanes; if someone hijacks your phone number you could be in bigger trouble

23:40 reptilian_thrills; you should be able to get rid of your credentials and replace them easily

23:40 schestowitz[TR]; phanes: beat me to it

23:40 reptilian_thrills; with a phone number you cant

23:40 reptilian_thrills; and thats a problem

23:40 Helenah; Agreed

23:40 Helenah; Totally in agreement

23:40 reptilian_thrills; if anything, 2fa assists identity theft

23:41 Helenah; Yep I wouldn't be surprised

23:41 TR News; Layoffs at Sketch https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/11/sketch-layoffs DaemonFC

=> ↺ https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/11/sketch-layoffs

23:41 TR Bot; Daring Fireball: Layoffs at Sketch

23:41 schestowitz[TR]; "Thats about one-third of their headcount, from my understanding."

23:41 phanes; the most secure environments that actually need to be used by people, are ones that enforce strong password rotation policies with very moderate complexity requirements and optional MFA

23:42 schestowitz[TR]; i had this argument with a boss this past week

23:42 schestowitz[TR]; and we might win at the end

23:42 reptilian_thrills; lol your boss

23:42 Helenah; I know someone who works in an environment where security pull all the employees at the door as they're walking in to search them for technology and pens and paper.

23:42 schestowitz[TR]; they try to introduce staff "phones" for 2fa

23:42 schestowitz[TR]; and I object

23:42 Helenah; And is then confiscated from them before they proceed in

23:42 Helenah; Not kidding!

23:42 Helenah; He's searched daily going in

23:42 reptilian_thrills; government work?

23:42 Helenah; He has to go in empty handed, empty pocketed, no bags.

23:43 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: I speak to him at 1am, one hour from now

23:43 reptilian_thrills; i mean the security exchange commission is like that

23:43 schestowitz[TR]; won't bring up this subject though

23:43 schestowitz[TR]; it causes us to fight

23:43 Helenah; He's only allowed his clothes on him.

23:43 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: non-government

23:43 Helenah; some software design company I know nothing about other than that.

23:43 reptilian_thrills; non-government <- ridiculous!

23:43 reptilian_thrills; workers rights

23:43 reptilian_thrills; some software design company <- ooh, id love to know which one

23:43 Helenah; Apparently they're terrified of the software taking a walk.

23:44 Helenah; or even details of it being leaked

23:44 Helenah; even if that's with ink and paper

23:44 reptilian_thrills; defence contracts?

23:44 reptilian_thrills; or just apple inc like paranoia

23:44 reptilian_thrills; beacuse apple has a culture like that

23:44 Helenah; He said something about that defense.

23:44 Helenah; He was giving me vagueness...

23:44 reptilian_thrills; yeah if its defence im not surprised

23:44 Helenah; this is supposed to be a damn friend!

23:45 Helenah; and I get vagueness...

23:45 Helenah; lol

23:45 Helenah; "Oh it's classified"

23:45 reptilian_thrills; if he needs clearance and you dont have it, his hands are tied

23:45 Helenah; What's classified? :D

23:45 reptilian_thrills; right

23:45 reptilian_thrills; so he cant tell you

23:45 Helenah; Yep

23:45 reptilian_thrills; for some reason i have no trouble getting clearance

23:45 reptilian_thrills; though that was a while back

23:45 Helenah; I believe when a classified document is accidentally dropped it wasn't an accident

23:45 Helenah; but covered up as one by the person who dropped it

23:46 Helenah; Some citizen found a classified document at a bus stop recently apparently

23:46 Helenah; it was "accidentally dropped"

23:46 Helenah; Bullshit

23:46 reptilian_thrills; right?

23:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I signed us up for some insurances that came as a IRS "menu plan" Section 125 deduction.

23:46 Helenah; What's a damn lock box of classified documents doing at a bus stop and why was it opened there too?

23:46 Helenah; I don't buy this story...

23:46 reptilian_thrills; i mean human error happens

23:46 Helenah; Yes but...

23:46 DaemonFC; You get insurance and it triggers other tax deducations because they're all top-line.

23:46 reptilian_thrills; but some things you should be suspicious

23:46 DaemonFC; Pretty cool!

23:47 reptilian_thrills; like its classified but they couldnt put them in a bag even

23:47 Helenah; Nobody is going to take out a classified document from their brief case at a bus stop...

23:47 reptilian_thrills; exactly

23:47 TR News; "American Airlines CEO Robert Isom claims to know very little about JetBlue Mint, including whether it offers flat beds." https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/ Source: OMAAT | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/

=> ↺ https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/

23:47 TR Bot; American Airlines CEO Doesn't Know About JetBlue Mint - One Mile at a Time

23:47 Helenah; So I think they took it out and purposely dropped it thre for someone to find

23:47 Helenah; to leak it

23:47 reptilian_thrills; mmhmm

23:47 Helenah; and then cover it up as human error

23:47 reptilian_thrills; either because it was important for the public to know

23:47 reptilian_thrills; or

23:47 Helenah; Just think it through :D

23:47 DaemonFC; Okay, I can pop this virtualmachine with Windows 10 into an emulator.

23:47 Helenah; Yep

23:47 Helenah; that's what I believe

23:47 reptilian_thrills; to deliberately mislead the public

23:47 Helenah; that whatever was in that document was sinister

23:48 reptilian_thrills; those are the two reasons for leaks

23:48 Helenah; and the public needed to know

23:48 DaemonFC; And that should let me bring up Good Old Internet Exploder and use this stupid "app" on Walmart's site.

23:48 Helenah; It was about the mobilisation of british military

23:48 reptilian_thrills; wow

23:48 Helenah; and it did mobilise!

23:48 Helenah; They kept flying past me after the news...

23:48 Helenah; cause there is military near here...

23:48 TR News; "The second week of my batch at Recurse Center (RC) is a wrap, and it already feels like it's going too quickly. My batch is twelve weeks long, so I'm 17% through." https://ntietz.com/blog/rc-week-2-recap/

=> ↺ https://ntietz.com/blog/rc-week-2-recap/

23:48 TR Bot; RC Week 2: Pairing is Awesome | nicholas@web

23:48 Helenah; over head, not literally past

23:49 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: munitions carriers.

23:49 reptilian_thrills; HIII HELENAH, GOTTA GOOO, HITTING MACH TWOOOOO

23:49 reptilian_thrills; whoooosh

23:49 Helenah; Funnily enough, I actually own a munitions box.

23:49 Helenah; and it's heavier than the paving flags.

23:49 reptilian_thrills; keep your usbs in it?

23:50 Helenah; like 100x heavier

23:50 TR News; "We're a tightly-knit team of full-stack developers and we need someone who can help us with client communications." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-29-sketchy-job-interviews.html

=> ↺ https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-29-sketchy-job-interviews.html

23:50 TR Bot; Sketchy Job Interviews

23:50 starstreak; Adam Conover - Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I

=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I

23:50 TR Bot; Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - Invidious

23:50 Helenah; I seem to own loads of things...

23:50 TR News; "One of the great advantages of using Groff is the almost instantaneous speed." https://box.matto.nl/create-presentation-slides-with-groff-and-mom.html

=> ↺ https://box.matto.nl/create-presentation-slides-with-groff-and-mom.html

23:50 TR Bot; presentation slides with Groff and mom - box.matto.nl

23:50 Helenah; like a police whistle

23:50 Helenah; Sheffield Constabulary

23:51 reptilian_thrills; /me thinks constabulary is a hilarious word

23:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Well, you know it's Windows because the progress bar is moving but the remaining time is going up.

23:51 DaemonFC; All the "interesting" people....

23:51 Helenah; One of the things they're supposed to stop is "stabbing" but there the word "stab" is. :D

23:51 psydruid; MFA sounds nice

23:51 reptilian_thrills; there was a burglary at the constabulary, they took all the confectionaries

23:51 schestowitz[TR]; constabulary :-)

23:52 reptilian_thrills; constabulary btw

23:52 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: You mean the donuts? :D

23:52 schestowitz[TR]; Sheffield: we are good at KNIVES!!

23:52 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw

23:52 psydruid; just press buttons in these 100 apps to prove that you are you

23:52 Helenah; "Went in for weapons, came out with donuts" :D

23:52 schestowitz[TR]; they did a knives dance and show when we were in Sheffield in 2020

23:52 reptilian_thrills; all in a days work, ma'am

23:53 psydruid; Windows 10x edition

23:53 schestowitz[TR]; Vista Pro Ubuntu

23:53 schestowitz[TR]; Ubuntu /home/edition

23:53 psydruid; everything is 10x better, even the updates are 10x as good, because they take 10x the time to apply

23:53 reptilian_thrills; pretty soon theyll write firmware for glucose meters that use your dna to unlock your phone over bluetooth

23:54 reptilian_thrills; and people will have their genome stolen over wireless

23:54 Helenah; Like I said before...

23:54 reptilian_thrills; (i realise bandwidth issues make that implausible)

23:54 schestowitz[TR]; now with Microsoft systemd-homed

23:54 Helenah; there are too many copies of my genome to even count.

23:54 Helenah; Not joking...

23:54 reptilian_thrills; there are too many copies of my genome to even count. <- mick jagger too

23:54 reptilian_thrills; he has that

23:54 DaemonFC; I have to reboot to run akmod to build the VirtualBox kernel driver.

23:54 Helenah; o.o

23:54 starstreak; i hear good things about systemd-homed

23:55 DaemonFC; Thank god I turned off mjg59_ boot or else I'd have to fuck around with that too,.

23:55 schestowitz[TR]; oh, here we go again

23:55 reptilian_thrills; i hear good things about systemd-homed <- you hang out with weird people

23:55 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

23:55 starstreak; my friend who runs arch linux on servers

23:55 *Helenah dances to her music

23:55 reptilian_thrills; probably in dodgy irc channels

23:55 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Basically it's been sequenced a load of times.

23:55 starstreak; secret irc channels O:)

23:55 schestowitz[TR]; #systemdarchdbtw

23:55 psydruid; you gave mjg the boot

23:56 reptilian_thrills; secret irc channels <- on the DARK WEB

23:56 schestowitz[TR]; denyweb

23:56 reptilian_thrills; you gave mjg the boot <- did he get banned again?

23:56 starstreak; i don't know if its really "the dark web"

23:56 schestowitz[TR]; it denies gchq

23:56 starstreak; but its definately not clearnet

23:56 schestowitz[TR]; they can't see what's happening ther

23:56 schestowitz[TR]; ehence, CRIME

23:56 psydruid; how to become a fedora systemd-homed ambassador

23:56 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: whole genome, I know 100% of my genetics.

23:56 starstreak; I use the cjdns software with a network called hyperboria

23:57 Helenah; I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything.

23:57 reptilian_thrills; I know 100% of my genetics. <- what will you do with all that power

23:57 reptilian_thrills; I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything. <- your parents didnt love you

23:57 Helenah; Good question

23:57 starstreak; Helenah, oh did you do 23andme?

23:57 schestowitz[TR]; your genetics will beocme generics

23:57 Helenah; starstreak: No

23:57 reptilian_thrills; sorry, red hair joke

23:57 Helenah; I never done anything like that starstreak

23:57 starstreak; I did

23:57 Helenah; Oh

23:57 Helenah; 23andMe don't sequence anywhere near your whole genome

23:58 Helenah; they do around 0.07% of it

23:58 Helenah; or so I hear

23:58 Helenah; I don't fucking know the detail exactly... lol

23:58 schestowitz[TR]; g-gnome

23:58 frog; with or without systemd, it's still GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem entangled everywhere

23:58 frog; i don't accept this any longer

23:58 reptilian_thrills; ggnome

23:58 schestowitz[TR]; g-gnome.tools

23:58 reptilian_thrills; ibm.fools

23:58 starstreak; Helenah, I'm 77% British/Irish (not sure why it groups them), 9.9% finnish and 9% greek

23:58 frog; that's my only plan currently, to remove this vendor-lock against GNU

23:59 Helenah; starstreak: Maybe same landmass?

23:59 reptilian_thrills; (not sure why it groups them) <- cause they dont want to start any troubles again

23:59 Helenah; and therefore difficult to separate them?

23:59 schestowitz[TR]; in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian ;-)

23:59 starstreak; Helenah, thats possible, though i have enough info on my family to suggest its probably mostly irish

23:59 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian <- blame canada

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