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00:00 schestowitz-TR; you cannot say, "mommy and addy won't turn on the heating to save some money"
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00:01 schestowitz-TR; many people are about to take indfintesmal downgrade to their "lifestyle"
00:03 TR News; In Korea (SK) about 1% of the population confirmed positive for COVID-19 in just one day.
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00:04 schestowitz; "infinitesimal"
00:04 schestowitz; in scare quotes even
00:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Well, one reason he stopped it is if you keep handing out money for nothing, that causes inflation.
00:04 schestowitz; those who lived modestly all along change almost nothing
00:04 schestowitz; those who borrowed from the future will be lucky not to be kicked to the street
00:04 DaemonFC; And the SALT deduction mostly benefits millionaires and billionaires and causes larger deficits.
00:05 schestowitz; no, that's not why
00:05 schestowitz; where did you read this
00:05 schestowitz; url
00:05 kingoffrance; "those who borrowed from the future" in other words, the gov and corporations
00:05 schestowitz; them too
00:05 kingoffrance; :)
00:05 schestowitz; but there's private debt
00:05 kingoffrance; people dont really have a choice in this matter :)
00:05 schestowitz; that's separate
00:06 schestowitz; piled on top
00:06 kingoffrance; fair
00:06 schestowitz; http://usdebtclock.com
00:06 TR Bot; redirect with weird Location: index.php?check_cookie=true
00:06 schestowitz; https://usdebtclock.org/
00:06 TR Bot; U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
00:06 schestowitz; wrong url
00:08 schestowitz; us now at 125% debt-to-gdop ratio
00:08 schestowitz; it says it was 58% in 2000
00:08 schestowitz; 34% in 1980
00:08 schestowitz; 53% in 1960
00:09 schestowitz; years ago that page also showed personal debt
00:09 schestowitz; which is even higher than the national debt
00:09 schestowitz; so a citizen might be $250,000 in debt through the gov
00:10 schestowitz; and a similar amount owed to a bank, e.g. mortgage
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00:10 schestowitz; so the home as asset thing is basically fictional, speculative
00:10 schestowitz; this says 40 milliion USians live in poverty
00:10 schestowitz; while 22 million have over a million
00:11 schestowitz; and you know where they live
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00:11 mimorek; years ago that page also showed personal debt >> It does so right now.
00:11 schestowitz; 41+ million on food stamps
00:11 schestowitz; US workfroce 158 million
00:11 schestowitz; less than half
00:12 mimorek; under: "Unfunded Debt/Interest"
00:13 schestowitz-TR; oh, I see now
00:13 schestowitz-TR; it is WORSE than I thought
00:13 schestowitz-TR; 1:3 ratio
00:13 schestowitz-TR; 89.0 TRILLION
00:13 schestowitz-TR; 3 times the national debt
00:13 schestowitz-TR; if this was a home
00:14 schestowitz-TR; not a country
00:14 schestowitz-TR; it would be 3 kids with maxed up credited cards
00:14 schestowitz-TR; and two parents working full time to pay for the home
00:14 schestowitz-TR; and even if they paid for the home
00:14 schestowitz-TR; (national debt)
00:15 schestowitz-TR; they might still lose the stuff because the debt collector comes after the kids
00:16 schestowitz-TR; median income $35l
00:16 schestowitz-TR; *k
00:16 schestowitz-TR; for full time
00:16 schestowitz-TR; with half the people having no income
00:16 schestowitz-TR; barely offsets the living expenses
00:17 schestowitz-TR; US unfunded liabilities: 168 trillion
00:17 schestowitz-TR; half a million per citizen
00:17 schestowitz-TR; inc. kids and pensioners
00:17 schestowitz-TR; blame putin!
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00:19 MinceR; blame putin, bomb putin
00:26 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: when there are no humans left, there will be no more debt
00:26 immibis; schestowitz-TR: infinitesimal means extremely small; not noticeable
00:26 MinceR; indeed
00:26 immibis; a downgrade so small nobody will realize it exists
00:27 schestowitz-TR; hence thew scare quotes
00:27 schestowitz-TR; some people with 3 cars on three car loans
00:27 schestowitz-TR; suddently living with the parents
00:27 schestowitz-TR; and easting bread with jam
00:28 immibis; how many americans are like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HX4a5P8eE
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00:28 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=r0HX4a5P8eE
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00:28 TR Bot; yewtu.be | I'm in debt up to my eyeballs... - Invidious
00:28 schestowitz-TR; immibis: freenode was destroyed by one
00:28 schestowitz-TR; he called himself "king of debt"
00:28 schestowitz-TR; even bought a massive home second hand
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00:29 XRevan86; I keep seeing destruction of things I need by one.
00:29 immibis; if hyperinflation is selected, it will be a free home from the government
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00:29 XRevan86; At least I could leave freenode.
00:29 schestowitz-TR; immibis: savers suffer
00:29 schestowitz-TR; no savings, less crying
00:29 immibis; people need to know that if there is not a market crash there will be a communist revolution. It may not necessarily be true, but it should be presented as if it is
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00:30 immibis; Yes, the net effect is as if the government stole your money and used it to buy houses for financially irresponsible people. You know, that exact thing the moron right wing keeps complaining about. Except for real and the right wing's fault.
00:30 MinceR; :>
00:31 schestowitz-TR; immibis: hence I said earn what you need
00:31 schestowitz-TR; don't tell your life for money you cannot ever use
00:31 schestowitz-TR; meaningfully
00:31 schestowitz-TR; none of that "designers bag" nonsense
00:31 immibis; if hyperinflation is NOT chosen, the exact opposite is true and what you are suggesting is a completely terrible idea.
00:31 *kingoffrance writes 1000 page tome, "right wing republicanism, an infantile disorder...triumphant"
00:32 immibis; If the market crashes, you will be glad you saved as much money as possible, and you will be able to buy a home while over-leveraged financially irresponsible idiots wallow in slavery
00:32 schestowitz-TR; immibis: read up on what happened in cuba
00:32 schestowitz-TR; for those with busisses
00:32 immibis; you are predicting communist revolution
00:32 immibis; ?
00:32 schestowitz-TR; no
00:32 schestowitz-TR; you described two situations
00:32 schestowitz-TR; hyperinflation
00:32 schestowitz-TR; or revolution
00:33 immibis; I described four situations
00:33 immibis; Those are two of them
00:33 immibis; Market crash, hyperinflation, return to feudalism, or communist revolution
00:33 immibis; maybe I should say revolt instead of revolution. Sounds scarier to some people, less scary to others..
00:34 MinceR; revolting
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00:34 immibis; In 1/4 cases savers win a lot. In 1/4 cases debtors win a lot. In 2/4 cases money becomes meaningless (so you should have tried to enjoy your life and ignored money)
00:34 MinceR; demons to some, angels to others
00:35 immibis; And... any of the cases where savers do not win will completely destroy the foundations of the society we live in today.
00:35 immibis; (like the way the right wing keeps foretelling trans people will destroy it, but actually existent and worse)
00:36 immibis; think ukraine, russia, venezuela, zimbabwe
00:36 *kingoffrance puts review blurb on back of book "MULDERYou mean that apocalyptic trash youwrite? I knew your name was familiar.I just didn't know why.KURTZWEIL [excited]You know my work?"
00:42 schestowitz; wowoiwow https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-drive-letter-windows/
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00:44 schestowitz; immibis: different nations, different outcomes
00:47 immibis; life sucks/sucked in all of them
00:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe putin will 'regain' scandinavia soon
00:48 schestowitz-TR; parts of it
00:48 immibis; why can't you choose one computer to use?
00:48 schestowitz-TR; so even a healthy market gurantees nothing
00:48 immibis; an unhealthy market guarantees something.
00:48 schestowitz-TR; immibis: hard to explain without showing it
00:49 schestowitz-TR; call me a cynic
00:49 schestowitz-TR; or pessimist
00:49 schestowitz-TR; but sitting on a big pile of money
00:49 schestowitz-TR; might gurantee a decade of buying worthless "luxury goods"
00:49 schestowitz-TR; but also makes you a target
00:49 immibis; It does not guarantee that, because hyperinflation.
00:49 schestowitz-TR; right
00:50 schestowitz-TR; we disagree on the minor details now
00:50 schestowitz-TR; well-off ukrainians now
00:50 schestowitz-TR; even in big nice homes in kiev
00:50 schestowitz-TR; likely left these behind
00:50 schestowitz-TR; their bank account might help in some other state
00:51 schestowitz-TR; those people left in the same training as the poor
00:51 schestowitz-TR; and might be treated similarly
00:55 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: what do you make of that protester in the newsroom?
00:55 schestowitz; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60744605
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00:55 TR Bot; Ukraine war: Protester interrupts Russian TV news show - BBC News
00:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: Brave
00:55 schestowitz-TR; costly
00:56 XRevan86; She might get criminal charges for this.
00:58 XRevan86; Don't know what to expect.
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01:00 XRevan86; But I'm not expecting them to just let her go because they'll want to make an example of her. But maybe they won't be too cruel since her case is just too widely known.
01:04 XRevan86; Could be provocation, but right now I don't find that hypothesis compelling.
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01:05 XRevan86; https://t.me/bbcrussian/24773 So far her lawyers simply cannot find her anywhere.
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01:38 DaemonFC; " Don't know what to expect."
01:38 DaemonFC; Hooliganism. Spreading fake news....
01:38 DaemonFC; How are these even charges?
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01:52 activelow; "russian ukrainian gas dispute"... i see, and Condoleezza Rice involvement isn't mentioned in the english language wiki article: crimea
01:53 activelow; seems USA spit oil into fire year 2005 already
01:53 activelow; in Poland, at the border of Germany, gasoline prices are 50% of the german ones
01:54 activelow; yet, Poland is a member of EU...
01:54 activelow; Ukraine seeked to associate with EU, yet wasn't willing to pay EU "market" price
01:54 activelow; 25billion cash poof, because illegally diverted gas
01:55 activelow; i bet Ukraine economy had crashed anyway, then stability of Germany/EU were threatened
01:56 activelow; furthermore, subverting the Northstream project was the death sentence for peaceful negotiations
01:56 activelow; because Ukraine could have continued to operate their pipeline, and negotiate with whoever they wished about import/export prices
01:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.21
01:59 activelow; next the current media spectacle
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02:01 activelow; and today some lobbied military and ministry of defense announced F-35 bomber shall be acquired
02:01 activelow; "nuclear participation", yet german air force already got fighter jets, the aging Tornado, and the multi-role Eurofighter designed to replace it including air-to-ground
02:02 activelow; seems, USA too seeks to capitalize upon this conflict by selling their F-35
02:02 DaemonFC; If they ever charged me with Disorderly Conduct, I would say "I will answer to specific charges!".
02:03 DaemonFC; The only reason I pleaded guilty was because they charged me with something more serious and I had played a weak hand for all it was worth.
02:07 activelow; the F-35 was rather surprising today, and it's problematic, because it distracts from the question what the glorious Eurofighter was
02:08 activelow; so, air force can distract from this question, what the billions were wasted for with the Eurofighter
02:09 activelow; and ask for cash, 100billion granted out of nowhere... gasoline prices more than 10cash/gallon now, and rising
02:11 activelow; corona measures will be terminated 20th march they say... no more questions ask then
02:11 activelow; which makes me think, if and what would happen until then
02:11 activelow; because, so far nothing has changed
02:12 activelow; maybe they'll plug into northstream2 until then?
02:12 DaemonFC; So for a year they weren't even letting you out and then on the 20th there are absolutely no restrictions.
02:13 activelow; i have another suspicion, which is it could be russian military secured ukrainian military installations
02:13 activelow; as a reminder, Ukraine was the 3rd largest nuclear force, globally (Budapest Memorandum)
02:14 activelow; which isn't discussed, if and how it was complied with, or not; because if Ukraine didn't comply, the intervention wasn't only justified, it was mandatory then
02:14 activelow; currently, Westinghouse Electric fiddling inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities was reported, which i consider confirmed
02:15 activelow; if anythign was violated, then USA supported this, actively, as an act of war
02:15 activelow; in Europe
02:15 activelow; recent rumors were some other installations, of ballistic missiles, close to borders of russian federation, probably another violation and act of war of USA
02:16 activelow; preceeding the "russian aggression"
02:16 schestowitz-TR; [00:56] She might get criminal charges for this.
02:16 schestowitz-TR; to make an example of her
02:16 schestowitz-TR; they might as well torture her and her relatives
02:16 schestowitz-TR; like the nazis did in villages
02:16 DaemonFC; They'll make an example with criminal charges.
02:16 DaemonFC; Then they'll torment her and force her to read out a prepared confession.
02:16 schestowitz-TR; crime: offending putin in frpont of people
02:17 DaemonFC; Then they'll make her apologize for the harm she has caused to the Russian people.
02:20 DaemonFC; I wouldn't be surprised if she was forced to say she was under the influence of others who were spreading this propaganda.
02:20 DaemonFC; That is the Communist playbook.
02:20 DaemonFC; So the one Putin would be well trained in.
02:20 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: does the suse stance/statement from suse extend to opensusse
02:21 schestowitz-TR; will they expel russian packagers, maintainers, code, projects?
02:21 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: "I twas drunk"
02:21 schestowitz-TR; "I didn't know what I was saying"
02:22 schestowitz-TR; "I'm sorry I let the country down"
02:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe under threat of punishment to loved ones
02:22 schestowitz-TR; Putin=KGB
02:22 schestowitz-TR; this is his turf
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02:27 activelow; that's the trivial contradiction, i think: if Ukraine complied with Budapest memorandum, then the russian fleet at crimea couldn't exist
02:28 activelow; either it's controlled by russian including various nuclear stockpiles and carriers, and if it isn't and Ukraine controlled it, then Budapest memorandom cannot be complied with
02:28 schestowitz-TR; ???
02:28 activelow; except if, Russia terminated the entire harbor, and with it access to mediterrenean coast
02:28 activelow; schestowitz-TR: Ukraine must not have possessed any nuclear weapons
02:29 activelow; yet Ukraine controlled crimea and the military installation there
02:29 activelow; that's a contradiction
02:29 schestowitz-TR; you said there were russian bases in crimea
02:29 schestowitz-TR; afaik, this is false
02:29 schestowitz-TR; and maybe you got that from russia propaganda sites
02:29 activelow; the status of crimea was disputed
02:29 schestowitz-TR; no
02:29 schestowitz-TR; it was part of ukraine
02:30 schestowitz-TR; anyway, gn
02:30 activelow; it's the military facilities there, which weren't "Ukraine", and cannot be, because this would violate the Budapest Memorandum
02:31 activelow; if russians had decided to dispose all their weapons and carriers there, they had lost access to mediterrenean sea... another free pass for USA and their acts of war in middle east
02:31 activelow; that's why
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02:35 MinceR; ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in the Budapest Memorandum, which then terrorussia violated in 2014
02:35 activelow; MinceR: contradiction, if Ukraine controls crimea
02:36 MinceR; what contradicts what
02:36 activelow; Ukraine couldn't have both: crimea and compliance with budapest memorandum
02:37 activelow; add to this, i am still curious what Westinghouse Electric fiddled inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities
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02:40 activelow; the crimea question wasn't first and foremost a "violation of territorial integrity", it wasn't possible to retain "security guarantees" if Ukraine controlled crimea, which are the military facilities
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02:40 activelow; and Russian could not lose control over those military facilities, not because of Ukraine, because of USA and their aggressions
02:41 activelow; s
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02:44 MinceR; 15 033630 < activelow> Ukraine couldn't have both: crimea and compliance with budapest memorandum
02:44 MinceR; bullshit
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02:45 MinceR; in the Budapest Memorandum, russia gave up all its territorial claims from ukraine
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02:45 MinceR; and crimea was part of ukraine at the time
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02:45 activelow; MinceR: i am not talking about crimea, i am referring to the military installations including soviet nuclear and carriers
02:46 activelow; Ukraine must not have possessed any of this, to retain "security guarantees"
02:46 MinceR; funny how crimea is literally in the message i cited
02:47 activelow; and Russia could not have lost control over those military installations, even if they wanted to, because... USA and their global aggressions
02:47 activelow; and crimea probably wasn't the only one
02:48 MinceR; russia kept control over their naval base in sevastopol, if that's what you mean
02:49 activelow; Maruipol, and some others
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02:50 MinceR; mariupol isn't even in crimea
02:50 activelow; yes, there is more
02:50 MinceR; you need to consume less russian propaganda, it's turning your brain into mush
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02:50 activelow; this isn't russian propaganda, it's facts
02:51 activelow; hadn't seen a nuclear submarine before, admit this, anyway
02:51 MinceR; yeah, i know
02:51 MinceR; "alternative facts"
02:51 activelow; unmentioned facts
02:51 activelow; zero coverage
02:52 activelow; i didn't hear anyone mention the Russian-Ukrainian gas dispute anymore either, or Westinghouse Electric fiddling inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities
02:52 activelow; ExxonMobile, Burisma, and who knows who else
02:53 MinceR; well, it's pretty much irrelevant at this point
02:53 activelow; and even if Ukraine intended to join EU, ... guess what, ExxonMobile is USA, not USA
02:53 MinceR; when this ends, there practically won't be a russia anymore
02:53 MinceR; possibly also no ukraine
02:53 MinceR; > USA, not USA
02:53 MinceR; ok
02:53 activelow; no EU
02:53 MinceR; guess what, usian corporations also do business in the EU
02:54 activelow; sure, and Atlantic Bridge minion war ciminals control the entire media apparatus, industry, politics
02:54 MinceR; yeah, especially RT
02:55 MinceR; and the other crap you read as gospel
02:55 activelow; why would you say there won't be any Ukraine and Russia anymore soon?
02:56 MinceR; the russian economy is crumbling
02:56 activelow; everyone is
02:56 activelow; more or less, mostly EU
02:56 MinceR; even if putler isn't deposed (putting his oligarchs in power, possibly fragmenting the country) and russia isn't sliced up by the west, they'll become isolated from their former trading partners and dependent on red china
02:56 activelow; which i consider social, political, and economical armageddon
02:57 MinceR; and that is assuming putler doesn't start a nuclear war that wipes us all out
02:57 MinceR; and who knows what will be left of ukraine
02:57 activelow; that's not his plan, neither for ukriane nor anyone else
02:57 MinceR; too bad
02:57 MinceR; he doesn't have the power to implement his plan
02:57 activelow; if at all, it's the plan of... USA
02:57 MinceR; his underlings lied to him
02:57 MinceR; and the west is more united than he thought
02:57 MinceR; indeed, the west is more united against him than they were against hitler
02:58 activelow; well, the "west" hasn't got me, which is the intelligence
02:58 activelow; or former, so to say
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02:58 MinceR; yeah, keep flattering yourself, it will help you understand what's going on
02:58 activelow; i have no clue, what will happen next
02:59 MinceR; it depends on several things
02:59 MinceR; will putler's madness make him launch ICBMs? were those ICBMs properly maintained? will they make it anywhere near the target? will they be able to explode?
03:00 MinceR; will the west respond? will red china and north korea respond to that?
03:01 MinceR; also, how well do anti-ICBM systems work?
03:01 MinceR; were the people who predicted that bombing modern urban sprawls will result in such a great output of carbon black it will cause global nuclear winter, or will the people who said those people were wrong right?
03:01 MinceR; which of these powers are using salted warheads?
03:02 activelow; i don't think this are the plans of russian military
03:02 MinceR; also, will putler's underlings finally decide to separate him from the chain of command before he does even more damage?
03:02 MinceR; yeah
03:02 MinceR; the russian military didn't plan on being bogged down in ukraine for weeks
03:02 MinceR; they didn't plan on abandoning their vehicles due to fuel running out
03:03 activelow; overrated reportings
03:03 MinceR; they expected the ukrainians to welcome their new wannabe overlords with open arms
03:03 activelow; unverifiable
03:03 MinceR; is the reporting of the passage of time also overrated?
03:03 MinceR; have only 24 hours passed after all?
03:04 activelow; had a phone call today, my father said: "20th march there won't be any more questions asked about masks and vaccination status"
03:05 MinceR; and Papa Nurgle smiled
03:22 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 263796 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39717 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 5 days ago
03:23 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 96 GB TotalOut: 53 GB
03:24 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
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03:34 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
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03:54 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/who-now-tracking-hybrid-covid-19-variant-deltacron/
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03:54 TR Bot; WHO now tracking hybrid COVID-19 variant: deltacron | WGN-TV
03:54 DaemonFC; There's an Electioncron variant that doesn't require any masks now, you know.
03:55 MinceR; lol
03:55 MinceR; i'm waiting for megacron
03:56 MinceR; and/or galvacron and/or unicron
03:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz, There's Facebook ads for a credit card backed by a "home equity loan".
03:58 DaemonFC; YOU CAN STILL SHOP!!!!
03:58 DaemonFC; JUST USE YOUR HOUSE!!!
03:58 MinceR; lol
03:58 DaemonFC; We take cash, debit, credit, and HOUSE!
03:58 DaemonFC; We take house and then when you don't pay we take house.
03:59 DaemonFC; But that's next year and Disney World is calling!
03:59 DaemonFC; They have STAR WARS LAND!
03:59 MinceR; still not as bad as russia
03:59 MinceR; "we take ukraine."
04:00 DaemonFC; MinceR, Gas is so expensive now that you probably need to borrow against your home to drive to work and back if you commute.
04:01 DaemonFC; Mandy told me to get in the car and go get his medicine today. I told him "I'm not burning half a gallon of gas to get to the pharmacy when it'll still be there tomorrow when I'm on my way to pick you up!".
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05:40 AdmFubar; ooopsie doodles https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/03/researcher-uses-600-year-old-algorithm-to-crack-crypto-keys-found-in-the-wild/
05:40 TR Bot; Researcher uses 379-year-old algorithm to crack crypto keys found in the wild | Ars Technica
05:45 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/torguard-vpn-blocks-bittorrent-on-us-servers-to-settle-piracy-lawsuit/
05:45 TR Bot; BitTorrent blocking: TorGuard VPNs firewall nixes torrents on US servers | Ars Technica
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07:01 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, March 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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07:01 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
07:01 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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07:01 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
07:02 TR News; #HowTo Use SFTP Command to Transfer Files Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162553
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07:02 TR Bot; How to Use SFTP Command to Transfer Files | Tux Machines
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07:26 schestowitz; MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/icbm.png
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07:33 TR News; 5 more! "There are 2234 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1795 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
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07:34 TR News; "No desease but two more years of hard lockdown. Why? Because as much as I'd love to have open freedom as soon as possible, I would never choose to have COVID-19 or reduced fitness for that. It's not only the six-week desease: it also results in permanent damage to the lungs" gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-11-30-bronzies-five-questions-for-december-2021.gmi
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07:35 schestowitz-TR; gm, XRevan86
07:36 XRevan86; schestowitz: openSUSE hasn't bannedme, no.
07:36 TR News; "I finally implemented a database on Amphipod and its soooo fast now!!! No more stupid json files. ough, it seems like MongoDB's "sample" aggregator or whatever is super biased towards oldest documents?" gemini://seapunk.xyz/log/4d6011653e251b63f78f37f1ebee3533.gmi
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07:36 XRevan86; "and Russian could not lose control over those military facilities, not because of Ukraine, because of USA and their aggressions" <- Crimea's existence violating the Budapest Memorandum is a new take to me.
07:36 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: if they treated you poorly, be sure to tell me
07:37 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: yes, I ignore that revisionism
07:38 TR News; "My main drive was filled to about 70 GB, and my backup was 89 GB." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-14-videos-are-big.gmi
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07:40 TR News; "Its common to hear computer jobs described as cushy at least compared to manual work. But Im back at my desk for the first time in a few months, and let me tell you: if you arent acclimated to it, working on a computer all day long is exhausting." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220314_computer_work
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07:41 TR News; "Both sides engage in a propaganda war. The majority of citizens in the West seem capable of spotting lies, exaggerations, censorship, and repression on the Russian side, but completely unable to detect the same on their own side." gemini://oberdada.pollux.casa/gemlog/2022-03-14_madness.gmi
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07:41 TR News; "I have decided to write another GTK application in Rust, this time I am progressing extremely fast. Note that this post goes on for probably way to long, probably including too much unnecessary things. The tldr is: I was busy and very productive this week." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/03/14/gtk-in-one-week/
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07:42 TR News; I made a Gemini app! gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/i-made-a-gemini-app
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07:43 XRevan86; schestowitz: "yes, I ignore that revisionism" <- activelw always has interesting takes.
07:43 XRevan86; At least he's not blaming the Jews I guess.
07:44 schestowitz-TR; leave that to Mel Gibson
07:46 TR News; "I shared the code for a sample application a few weeks ago with the promise that I'd be making a follow-up video on the topic. Well, here it is!" gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/journal/20220308-how-to-build-a-gemini-application.gmi
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07:48 TR News; "Offpunk looks very interesting. However I don't need a offline browser at the moment. It's nice that it's combining all aspects in one, and it's merging Gophersphere and Geminispace." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
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07:49 TR News; "I finally got around to tinker around with Arch on my Raspi 4 8GB. It seems that this will make a pretty capable small desktop replacement, especially if on SSD is attached. :) Well see if everything that i need for my daily driver will run." gemini://en.gmn.clttr.info/
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07:50 TR News; #IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 14, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/irc-log-140322/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/irc-log-140322/
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07:50 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 14, 2022 | Techrights
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07:53 TR News; "Here are a few things I do immediately on any new Linux server" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/things-immediately-new-linux-box/
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07:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: danielmiessler.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://danielmiessler.com/blog/things-immediately-new-linux-box/
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07:53 TR Bot; Things I Do Immediately on a New Linux Box - Daniel Miessler
07:53 TR News; "If you're trying to protect an Nginx server from a ton of traffic" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/rate-limiting-requests-ip-address-nginx
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07:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/rate-limiting-requests-ip-address-nginx
07:53 TR Bot; Rate limiting requests per IP address in Nginx | Jeff Geerling
07:54 TR News; "A while back some Unix systems introduced a device called /dev/full. Reading from /dev/full returns zero bytes, just like /dev/zero" https://blog.plover.com/2022/03/13/#error-device
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07:54 TR Bot; The Universe of Discourse : Why no Unix error device?
07:54 TR News; "Brad Alexander emailed asking how I dual-boot my FreeBSD workstation that doubles as a Linux Steam game machine" https://rubenerd.com/my-lazy-approach-to-freebsd-dual-booting/
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07:54 TR Bot; My lazy approach to FreeBSD dual-booting
07:55 TR News; "Unix Philosophy was first put into writing by Doug McIlroy in the 1978 Bell System Technical Journal." https://klarasystems.com/articles/unix-philosophy-a-quick-look-at-the-ideas-that-made-unix/
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07:55 TR Bot; Unix Philosophy: A Quick Look at the Ideas that Made Unix | Klara Inc.
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07:55 TR News; I have previously been running NetBSD/evbarm and OpenBSD/armv7 on my CubieBoard2, and wrote about it here and here
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07:55 TR News; "I have previously been running NetBSD/evbarm and OpenBSD/armv7 on my CubieBoard2, and wrote about it here and here" https://www.cambus.net/freebsd-on-the-cubieboard2/
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07:55 TR Bot; FreeBSD on the CubieBoard2 | Frederic Cambus
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07:56 TR News; "The impending price rises are result of a pincer movement of sorts, according to the semiconductor industry researchers." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ddr3-supplies-rapidly-shrinking-as-consumers-hold-onto-older-hardware
07:56 TR Bot; DDR3 Supplies Rapidly Shrinking as Consumers Hold Onto Older Hardware | Tom's Hardware
07:57 TR News; "With the r4.8 release of moteus, a not-yet-announced feature was included the ability to have an off-board primary encoder!" https://jpieper.com/2022/03/08/external-primary-encoders-for-moteus/
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07:57 TR Bot; external primary encoders for moteus | A Modicum of Fun
07:57 TR News; "Today I needed to play back an MP3 or WAV file through a USB audio device on a Raspberry Pi, in a Python script. "Should be easy!" I thought!" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/playing-sounds-python-on-raspberry-pi
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07:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/playing-sounds-python-on-raspberry-pi
07:57 TR Bot; Playing sounds with Python on a Raspberry Pi | Jeff Geerling
07:58 TR News; "We have a very special announcement for today's blog: The Arduino Uno Mini Limited Edition is now available at SparkFun Electronics" https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4366
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07:58 TR Bot; Uno Mini Limited Edition - News - SparkFun Electronics
07:59 TR News; "I was talking to a friend last summer about what resources might be helpful for folks learning to program" https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/03/08/tiny-programs/
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07:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jvns.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/03/08/tiny-programs/
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07:59 TR Bot; Some tiny personal programs I've written
07:59 TR News; "The following is my experience with each of the above (as it relates to my blogI get it, not all sites have the constraints and needs of a personal blog, so caveat noted)" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/inline-all-the-things/
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07:59 TR Bot; Inline All The Things - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:00 TR News; "Over the past few months, Ive been hard at work trying to reduce the latency of workflows for one of the APIs that my team owns." https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2022/03/11/One-Weird-Trick/
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08:00 TR Bot; One Weird Trick | Ben Congdon
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08:01 TR News; "The underlying courtroom confrontation kicked off way back in 2014, when Christian rapper Flame accused Katy Perry of infringing upon his Joyful Noise track, which first released in 2008." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/katy-perry-dark-horse-appeal-victory/
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08:01 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/katy-perry-dark-horse-appeal-victory/ )
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08:02 TR News; "It seems that every time there is a large political event in the world, someone calls for someone else to be excluded from the Internet." https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/why-the-world-must-resist-calls-to-undermine-the-internet/
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08:02 TR Bot; Why the World Must Resist Calls to Undermine the Internet - Internet Society
08:02 TR News; "Julian Assanges solicitors Birnberg Peirce statement on Supreme Court Decision..." https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/uk-supreme-court-refuses-permission-to-appeal-in-assange-extradition/
08:02 TR Bot; UK Supreme Court refuses permission to appeal in Assange extradition - Don't Extradite Assange
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08:04 XRevan86; https://theins.ru/news/249294 Lawyers still cannot find her, The Investigative Committee are initiating an inquiry relating to the 144-145 criminal codes.
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08:04 TR Bot; ,
08:04 TR News; "In our last blog, GPS vs GNSS, we covered the basics of how satellites function together to create usable geolocation devices." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4278
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08:04 TR Bot; GNSS Orbits - News - SparkFun Electronics
08:05 TR News; "Let's say there's a network failure: half of the computers connected to the system can no longer communicate with each other" https://matt-rickard.com/blockchain-trade-offs/
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08:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/blockchain-trade-offs/
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08:05 TR Bot; Blockchain Trade-offs
08:06 TR News; "At IOP Publishing, we have introduced two different but complementary approaches to bias reduction at all our self-owned open access journals." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/anonymity-or-transparency-best-solution-bias-peer-review
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08:06 TR Bot; Is anonymity or transparency the best solution to bias in peer review? | Times Higher Education (THE)
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08:13 TR News; "The U.S. chipmaker unveiled plans last September to invest as much as $95 billion in Europe over the next decade" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/intel-to-announce-details-of-europe-investment-plans-on-tuesday/90213948 blah blah blah http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel
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08:13 TR Bot; intel: Intel to announce details of Europe investment plans on Tuesday, CIO News, ET CIO
08:13 TR Bot; Intel - Techrights
08:13 TR News; Microsoft: we want to kill Windows but make a few pennies in the process https://www.thurrott.com/windows/264202/microsoft-is-experimenting-with-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer
08:13 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/264202/microsoft-is-experimenting-with-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer )
08:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thurrott.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thurrott.com/windows/264202/microsoft-is-experimenting-with-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer
08:15 TR News; "For the unversed YouTube Vanced is a modded version of the original app that allows users to block all video ads on YouTube without a premium subscription." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/youtube-vanced-to-shut-down-due-to-legal-reasons/90213924
08:15 TR Bot; youtube vanced: YouTube Vanced to shut down 'due to legal reasons', CIO News, ET CIO
08:16 SomeH4x0r; anyone else willing to continue developing it though?
08:16 TR News; We leaked your data, but we refuse to talk about it... https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22972768/ubisoft-cyber-security-incident-hack
=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22972768/ubisoft-cyber-security-incident-hack
08:16 TR Bot; Ubisoft says it experienced a cyber security incident, and the purported Nvidia hackers are taking credit - The Verge
08:20 *matey (~matey@nv5xvg5xcaqm2.irc) has joined #techrights
08:20 SomeH4x0r; hi
08:20 TR News; "Why FIDO2 and WebAuthN are so much better than SMS and app-based auth" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/not-all-mfa-is-equal-and-the-differences-matter-a-lot/
=> ↺ https://danielmiessler.com/blog/not-all-mfa-is-equal-and-the-differences-matter-a-lot/
08:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: danielmiessler.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://danielmiessler.com/blog/not-all-mfa-is-equal-and-the-differences-matter-a-lot/
08:20 TR Bot; Not All MFA is Equal, and the Differences Matter a Lot - Daniel Miessler
08:20 matey; marina ovsanikova is already a hero, google translate worked pretty well on xrevans article but leaves something to be desired
08:20 matey; hi someh4x0r
08:21 TR News; "A month ago I tweeted about my annoyance with SSO or Single Sign On." https://goteleport.com/blog/why-sso-sucks/
=> ↺ https://goteleport.com/blog/why-sso-sucks/
08:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: goteleport.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://goteleport.com/blog/why-sso-sucks/
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08:21 TR Bot; Why SSO Sucks and the future of SSO | Teleport
08:21 matey; the google translate version is pretty good, except for this line:
08:21 matey; What kind of article is incriminated to oatmeal is still unknown.
08:22 schestowitz-TR; :0)
08:22 matey; it would take a russian speaker i assume, to explain how that came about. but google will literally turn line noise into real words, so it could be the algorithm (and not have any real linguistic explanation)
08:22 XRevan86; Ah, it's because she's Ovsyannikova
08:22 XRevan86; An oatmeal-related surname.
08:23 matey; there you have it
08:23 matey; so the problem wasnt even in translation, it actually did a decent job there
08:23 TR News; Surveillance "https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/bob-iger-avatar-metaverse-investment-1235110823/
08:23 TR Bot; Bob Iger Joins Web3 Metaverse Avatar Company Genies The Hollywood Reporter
08:23 matey; i mean, its far from the random word it appears to be
08:24 TR News; "The service was set to impose mandatory logins for use from today [Tuesday] but does not appear to have done so as of this writing [1140 AEDT]" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/no-opt-out-for-users-as-iview-mandatory-logins-introduced-researcher.html
08:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/no-opt-out-for-users-as-iview-mandatory-logins-introduced-researcher.html
08:24 TR Bot; - No opt-out for users as iview mandatory logins introduced: researcher
08:24 matey; i use google translate very sparingly, a couple times a month or less on average
08:24 matey; it is easier than learning russian
08:24 TR News; "The exact purpose for which Ukraine's defense ministry is using the technology is unclear, Ton-That said." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/13/ukraine-has-started-using-clearview-ais-facial-recognition-during-war.html
08:24 TR Bot; Ukraine has started using Clearview AIs facial recognition during war
08:25 TR News; "potentially vet people of interest at checkpoints, among other uses" https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-has-started-using-clearview-ais-facial-recognition-during-war-2022-03-13/
08:25 TR Bot; Ukraine has started using Clearview AIs facial recognition during war | Reuters
08:26 TR News; "He told the agency that his company has a database of more than 2 billion images from the Russian social media service VKontakte." https://www.thequint.com/explainers/clearview-ai-the-controversial-facial-recognition-tech-ukraine-is-using-against-russia
08:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thequint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thequint.com/explainers/clearview-ai-the-controversial-facial-recognition-tech-ukraine-is-using-against-russia
08:26 TR Bot; Clearview AI: The Controversial Facial Recognition Tech Ukraine is Using Against Russia
08:26 TR News; "Clearview AI's technology has been criticised by privacy watchdogs." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60738204
=> ↺ https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60738204
08:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60738204
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60738204
08:26 TR Bot; offered tool to search billions of faces - BBC News
08:26 matey; it would be awesome to take wiktionary, get the translated words for each word, and at least be able to do a mechanical translation on any text (only getting as far as the size of vocabulary that wiktionary has in its translation section, which is limited)
08:27 matey; without even an internet connection
08:27 matey; or any sort of machine learning
08:27 TR News; "That is changing. These days, authorities are also investigating XVideos. Survivors of sexualized violence are going public." https://netzpolitik.org/2022/xvideos-the-porn-empire-next-door/
=> ↺ https://netzpolitik.org/2022/xvideos-the-porn-empire-next-door/
08:27 TR Bot; XVideos: The porn empire next door
08:27 TR News; "Match said up to 500,000 free Garbo searches would be made available, and thereafter a check would cost $2.50 plus a processing fee." https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tinder-lets-users-run-background-checks-before-dates-1698746
=> ↺ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tinder-lets-users-run-background-checks-before-dates-1698746
08:27 TR Bot; Tinder lets users run background checks before dates
08:28 matey; of course many of the translations would be hilarious, and it would settle once and for all the limitations of a mechanical and literal translation. maybe it would even end the baptist church.
08:28 matey; but id find it useful either way
08:28 TR News; "Complaints in five countries. An alliance of organizations, including noyb, Privacy International (PI), Hermes Center, and Homo Digitalis, filed a series of complaints against Clearview AI Inc. in May 2021." https://noyb.eu/en/eu-20-mio-fine-clearview-ai-italy
=> ↺ https://noyb.eu/en/eu-20-mio-fine-clearview-ai-italy
08:28 TR Bot; 20 Mio Fine for Clearview AI in Italy
08:29 TR News; Confidentiality: ""Whistleblowing is dangerous business. Whistleblowers face grave consequences if theyre caught and, to make matters worse, the anonymity set the set of potential whistleblowers for a given story is often quite small." https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/03/11/coverdrop-securing-initial-contact-for-whistleblowers/
08:29 TR Bot; CoverDrop: Securing Initial Contact for Whistleblowers | Light Blue Touchpaper
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08:39 kingoffrance; Is anonymity or transparency the best solution to bias in peer review? | Times Higher Education (THE) it turns out the answer is..........neither, you have to register or subscribe to read
08:39 TR News; "In cooperation between the workers union UNI Global and privacy NGO noyb.eu, Amazon warehouse workers from Germany, UK, Italy, Poland and Slovakia filed access requests under Article 15 GDPR today." https://noyb.eu/en/amazon-workers-demand-data-transparency
=> ↺ https://noyb.eu/en/amazon-workers-demand-data-transparency
08:39 TR Bot; Amazon Workers demand Data-Transparency
08:40 matey; im not sure how anonymity would reduce bias
08:40 kingoffrance; im not sure why they think there is such a thing as a non-biased individual
08:40 matey; nor how nymity would reveal it
08:40 TR News; Trying to maintain US dominance amid economic collapse https://www.vice.com/en/article/akva8e/biden-signs-executive-order-bullish-on-crypto-digital-us-dollar
08:40 TR Bot; Biden Signs Executive Order Bullish on Crypto, Digital U.S. Dollar
08:41 matey; if there was, they would produce perfect arguments
08:41 TR News; "The EU Parliaments committee on economic and monetary affairs voted on Monday to move forward with a legislative framework for regulating digital assets." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22977132/bitcoin-european-union-parliament-ban-proof-of-work-cryptocurrencies
08:41 TR Bot; EU Parliament backs off plans to phase out energy-hungry cryptocurrencies - The Verge
08:41 matey; well, not necessarily
08:41 matey; they could still be in error, but none of their errors would be due to bias
08:42 matey; but those would still be the best arguments! and people would trust those arguments as if jesus came back
08:42 TR News; "Meta Platforms Inc. after the owner of Facebook and Instagram Thursday said it will allow calls for violence" https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/10/facebook-instagram-will-now-allow-language-calling-violence-russian-troops/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
=> ↺ https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/10/facebook-instagram-will-now-allow-language-calling-violence-russian-troops/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
08:42 TR Bot; opens criminal case against Meta after it allows language calling for violence against Russian troops - SiliconANGLE
08:42 TR Bot; Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
08:42 matey; of course its all imaginary, but most perfect things are
08:42 TR News; "There have been several calls for Russian Internet networks to be shut down in one way or another and announcements that Russia is going to make such cuts" https://labs.ripe.net/author/stephane_bortzmeyer/internet-network-shutdowns-in-russia/
=> ↺ https://labs.ripe.net/author/stephane_bortzmeyer/internet-network-shutdowns-in-russia/
08:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ripe.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://labs.ripe.net/author/stephane_bortzmeyer/internet-network-shutdowns-in-russia/
08:42 TR Bot; Internet Network Shutdowns in Russia | RIPE Labs
08:43 TR News; "There is much speculation about what has been happening to the Internet in Ukraine since the ongoing conflict began on 24 February." https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/the-ukrainian-internet/
=> ↺ https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/the-ukrainian-internet/
08:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ripe.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/the-ukrainian-internet/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/the-ukrainian-internet/
08:43 TR Bot; The Ukrainian Internet | RIPE Labs
08:44 TR News; Social control media = platforms for hate, violence and terror. Just make sure you're on the "right" side, i.e. the one more financially beneficial to Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg. http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
08:45 TR News; Oligarchs' gerrymandering through thresholds? https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/electoral-threshold-plan-to-oust-german-small-party-meps/
=> ↺ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/electoral-threshold-plan-to-oust-german-small-party-meps/
08:45 TR Bot; Electoral threshold plan to oust German small party MEPs Patrick Breyer
08:45 matey; the worst thing about that article is the title. it suggests that "anonymity" and "transparency" are mutually exclusive
08:45 matey; which they are (in some ways)
08:46 TR News; Crazy ol man pretends he solved COVID-19 although a million USians died and are still dying https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/biden-says-infrastructure-bill-will-transform-america-in-first-in-person-dnc-winter-meeting-in-2-years/
08:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/biden-says-infrastructure-bill-will-transform-america-in-first-in-person-dnc-winter-meeting-in-2-years/
08:46 TR Bot; Biden Says Infrastructure Bill Will Transform America in First In-Person DNC Winter Meeting in 2 Years : Broadband Breakfast
08:46 kingoffrance; thats because they're biased!
08:46 matey; i think there are too many studies that anonymise results in the process of removing bias for the question to (broadly) make sense
08:47 matey; maybe thats a different question though
08:47 kingoffrance; no, that's a perfect example
08:47 matey; thats because they're biased! <- exactly. whoever wrote the article was biased, whether they were anonymous or not
08:48 TR News; Speaking of COVID deniers... http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
08:48 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
08:48 kingoffrance; you get totally different results if you mandate binary versus trinary versus etc. conway's law :D
08:48 TR News; Social control media https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/qanon-ukraine-biolabs-russian-propaganda-efforts-boosted-us-far-right-rcna19392
08:48 TR Bot; QAnon, Ukraine and 'biolabs': Russian propaganda efforts boosted by U.S. far right
08:48 kingoffrance; to get back to your baptist quip lol
08:49 TR News; Social control media far from harmless. We need to shun and boycott social control media for our own good... https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/first-war-tiktok-era-sees-tragedy-humor-deceit-1698779
=> ↺ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/first-war-tiktok-era-sees-tragedy-humor-deceit-1698779
08:49 TR Bot; First war of the TikTok era sees tragedy, humor and deceit
08:49 matey; oh im only picking on them because theyre so "literalist"
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08:49 TR News; Social control media in action https://www.protocol.com/policy/tiktok-newsguard-covid
=> ↺ https://www.protocol.com/policy/tiktok-newsguard-covid
08:49 TR Bot; is pushing COVID-19 misinformation on kids - Protocol
08:49 matey; and adore the letter of the law to the point where they think "jews for jesus" is a great idea
08:49 kingoffrance; that wasnt a complaint ...
08:49 matey; oh i didnt think it was
08:49 kingoffrance; :)
08:49 TR News; "A new report from Harvard researchers finds that TikTok remains a rich source of misinformation and disinformation about Ukraine" https://www.fastcompany.com/90730873/tiktok-ukrainian-war-misinformation-harvard-research
=> ↺ https://www.fastcompany.com/90730873/tiktok-ukrainian-war-misinformation-harvard-research
08:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fastcompany.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fastcompany.com/90730873/tiktok-ukrainian-war-misinformation-harvard-research
08:49 TR Bot; Why Ukrainian war misinformation spreads so quickly on TikTok
08:50 matey; but i mean, if everyone had an idea of how absurd literal translations really were
08:50 matey; and could see them performed on anything
08:50 TR News; "Misinformation ricochets around the internet during any world event or political conflict thats nothing new but TikTok poses new challenges" https://digiday.com/media/misinformation-on-tiktok-is-a-whole-different-beast-how-publishers-are-tackling-the-ukraine-russia-war-disinformation-problem-on-tiktok/
08:50 TR Bot; How publishers are tackling the war disinformation problem on TikTok
08:50 matey; im only saying that a pleasant side effect (hardly a goal) might be a reduction in "marketshare" for baptists
08:50 TR News; "Zoe Thomas: TikTok is home to millions of fun and silly videos. But since Russia invaded Ukraine, users' feeds have been flooded with videos about the war" https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/tiktoks-new-moderation-challenge-ukraine-war-videos/4c2252bc-93ce-4085-95cf-7329618532c5
08:51 TR Bot; New Moderation Challenge: Ukraine War Videos - Tech News Briefing - WSJ Podcasts
08:51 matey; id probably find that when i wanted to read an article in another language, it helped "just enough" for my purposes
08:51 TR News; "In one video on Wednesday, RIA Novosti laced together recorded U.S. Senate testimony from Victoria Nuland, a State Department official, about biological-research labs in Ukraine with a voiceover falsely suggesting Ukraine has covered up bio-warfare projects" https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2022/03/09/tiktok-russia-ukraine-misinformation-ria-novosti-ban-putin/
08:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2022/03/09/tiktok-russia-ukraine-misinformation-ria-novosti-ban-putin/
08:51 TR Bot; Kremlins RIA Novosti Continues Posting TikTok Propaganda Despite Platforms Russia Ban
08:51 matey; or maybe it would only prove that it wasnt nearly enough.
08:53 matey; if youre looking at a mechanical translation, a direct one, you either become a detective or you become lost
08:53 matey; funnily enough, as you know as much as anyone here, even when youre looking at a scholarly and expert translation, you will sometimes become lost unless you are a detective
08:54 matey; and then as far as the media goes, even when looking at something written in the native language of the writer... without being a detective, you will be lost
08:55 matey; because you have to compare what theyre saying to what you know. and this is just as true when you know their name.
08:55 TR News; "The Indiana State Teachers Association said it found out less than a week before the legislative session ended early Wednesday about emails sent through a form on its website not reaching the accounts of lawmakers" https://www.securityweek.com/filter-blocked-70000-emails-indiana-lawmakers-bill
=> ↺ https://www.securityweek.com/filter-blocked-70000-emails-indiana-lawmakers-bill
08:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: securityweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.securityweek.com/filter-blocked-70000-emails-indiana-lawmakers-bill
08:55 TR Bot; Blocked 70,000 Emails to Indiana Lawmakers on Bill | SecurityWeek.Com
08:55 kingoffrance; https://xkcd.com/1168/ to save literal translations, simply enter your favorite passage of any book. you have 10 seconds. KOF? KOF: ...... i'm so sorry....
08:55 TR Bot; tar
08:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/1168/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/1168/
08:56 TR News; "Real-time network data show that the restrictions are coming into effect across multiple providers rendering the platform widely unusable, corroborating user reports." https://netblocks.org/reports/instagram-restricted-in-russia-as-online-space-continues-to-shrink-JBQXvVAo
08:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: netblocks.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://netblocks.org/reports/instagram-restricted-in-russia-as-online-space-continues-to-shrink-JBQXvVAo
08:56 TR Bot; Instagram restricted in Russia as online space continues to shrink - NetBlocks
08:56 matey; lol
08:57 TR News; "There are prisoners of conscience on Saudi death row, and others arrested as children or charged with non-violent crimes. We fear for every one of them following this brutal display of impunity." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220313-saudi-arabia-executes-record-81-people-in-one-day-for-terrorism-related-offences
08:57 TR Bot; Saudi Arabia executes record 81 people in one day for terrorism-related offences
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08:57 TR News; "The present version of the AIA is a draft written by the European Commission published in 2021. Now the elected European Parliament is seeking commentary as it proposes a revised and hopefully improved version." https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-regulation-european-union/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
=> ↺ https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-regulation-european-union/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
08:57 TR Bot; Is in Danger of Using the Wrong Definition of AI | WIRED
08:57 TR Bot; A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
08:58 TR News; the gap between those who have and do not have access to computers and the Internet https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-digital-divide/
=> ↺ https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-digital-divide/
08:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetsociety.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-digital-divide/
08:58 TR Bot; What Is the Digital Divide? - Internet Society
09:01 matey; if i were the judge i have a simple verdict https://www.adrforum.com/DomainDecisions/1980642.htm
=> ↺ https://www.adrforum.com/DomainDecisions/1980642.htm
09:02 TR Bot; NATIONAL ARBITRATION FORUM
09:02 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.38
09:02 matey; all charges would be dismissed as soon as the domains "weOWNfedora.com" and "weownyourcomputer.com" could be registered to ibm.
09:03 matey; as that clearly reflects what ibm thinks is true.
09:03 TR News; COVID-19 surging in Europe, even in spring. Apathy and false assumption of safety will bite us. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/14/covid-cases-have-surged/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/14/covid-cases-have-surged/
09:03 TR Bot; Blog Archive In Spite of NHS Changes to Reporting Definitions (to Make Numbers Seem a Lot Lower), Another Surge in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations
09:04 TR News; "But, Ive been saying this for a while, prices in most areas have not started to come down. In fact, the prices of many of these items are continuing to rise." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/more-bad-news-on-inflation/
=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/more-bad-news-on-inflation/
09:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/more-bad-news-on-inflation/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/more-bad-news-on-inflation/
09:04 TR Bot; Bad News on Inflation - CounterPunch.org
09:05 matey; id also want to know if wemakefedora.org is directly competing with ibm sales using that domain. its a lot easier to throw out if it isnt.
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09:06 TR News; "Arch and the Web make us feel old, the BBC makes us rather cross, a kernel vulnerability makes us laugh, Mozilla makes us wonder, and KDE makes us happy." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-168/
=> ↺ https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-168/
09:06 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 168 Late Night Linux
09:06 matey; this isnt like this isnt like 1-800-its-unix
09:08 TR News; "Blowback can also be applied to U.S. propaganda, particularly the CIAs black propaganda that was designed for an overseas audience" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/the-united-states-of-america-victims-of-its-own-disinformation/
09:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/the-united-states-of-america-victims-of-its-own-disinformation/
09:08 TR Bot; United States Of America: Victims Of Its Own Disinformation - CounterPunch.org
09:08 matey; that link actually answers my question:
09:08 matey; As to bad faith, Complainant has submitted five articles posted by different volunteers on <wemakefedora.org> in early October 2021 which appear to describe technical subjects and social phenomena in the open-source community (Exhibit 4). None of these articles appear to be asking for money. None of them are asking visitors to abandon Complainants Fedora product and use an alternative.
09:09 matey; there you go
09:09 matey; FINDINGS Complainant has failed to establish all the elements entitling it to relief and has brought the Complaint primarily to harass the domain-name holder.
09:09 matey; hey hey
09:10 matey; note this is the same company that controls gcc and gdb. gives you a warm fuzzy feeling... like a house centipede on a bare foot.
09:11 matey; of course by "control" i only mean in the sense that github controls any project there-- or in the sense of the gcc steering committee.
09:12 matey; a nice mirror of ibm gcc https://sr.ht/~sourceware/gcc/
=> ↺ https://sr.ht/~sourceware/gcc/
09:12 TR Bot; gcc: GNU Compiler Collection
09:15 TR News; "Two of the largest movie and TV streaming sharing sites have had their domain names suspended over the past few days." https://torrentfreak.com/major-streaming-piracy-sites-have-their-domain-names-suspended-220314/
=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/major-streaming-piracy-sites-have-their-domain-names-suspended-220314/
09:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/major-streaming-piracy-sites-have-their-domain-names-suspended-220314/
09:15 TR Bot; Streaming Piracy Sites Have Their Domain Names Suspended * TorrentFreak
09:15 SomeH4x0r; matey: ^ was I talking to you about it?
09:15 TR News; "YouTube Vanced is an extremely popular Android app that improves the standard YouTube experience with new features including ad-blocking and background play." https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-vanced-app-forced-to-shut-down-for-legal-reasons-220314/
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09:15 TR Bot; Vanced App Forced to Shut Down 'For Legal Reasons' * TorrentFreak
09:16 SomeH4x0r; not exactly, it just removes stupid DRM
09:16 SomeH4x0r; where applicable
09:20 matey; matey: ^ was I talking to you about it? <- SomeH4x0r, i dont know?
09:20 SomeH4x0r; suspending domain names
09:20 matey; oh, yes
09:20 matey; actually you were
09:21 matey; i was not aware of this action from the ibm death star until today (or at least if i was, i wasnt paying attention until they reached a verdict)
09:22 TR News; EFF Asks Federal Appellate Court to Re-hear Important Patent Transparency Case https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-asks-federal-appellate-court-re-hear-important-patent-transparency-case
09:22 TR Bot; EFF Asks Federal Appellate Court to Re-hear Important Patent Transparency Case | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:22 matey; from the looks of it, ibm failed to convince anyone that pocock hurt anything but their pride
09:23 matey; at least in the legal sense. hopefully this destroys their reputation as a good company even further
09:23 matey; im not holding onto a lot of hope, i mean this is a company that can literally get away with mass murder
09:23 matey; but its not a crime to wish for better things
09:24 matey; unless you work for the russian news of course
09:24 TR News; "Without any explanation, the British Supreme Court denied WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange permission to appeal a decision by the British High Court." https://thedissenter.org/uk-supreme-court-slams-door-on-assange-appeal/
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09:24 TR Bot; UK Supreme Court Slams Door On Assange Appeal
09:24 matey; then its a crime
09:25 TR News; OnLogic announces Factor 201 Raspberry Pi CM4 industrial PC, Factor 202 controller coming soon Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162554
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09:25 TR Bot; OnLogic announces Factor 201 Raspberry Pi CM4 industrial PC, Factor 202 controller coming soon | Tux Machines
09:25 TR News; 6 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Front-End Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162555
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09:25 TR Bot; 6 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Front-End Frameworks | Tux Machines
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09:33 TR News; "It was only after Poitras teamed up with EFF to sue the government that she was able to see evidence of the governments six-year campaign of spying on her" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-watching-watchers oh, the old 'EFF' http://techrights.org/2021/11/05/not-the-frontier-anymore/
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09:33 TR Bot; Podcast Episode: Watching the Watchers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:33 TR Bot; EFF Has Been Hijacked, and Just Like Mozilla and the Linux Foundation It Doesnt Fight for What It Was Originally Made to Achieve | Techrights
09:34 TR News; #ibm #redhat just another corporate shill in service of Empire, resorting to collective punishment https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-response-war-ukraine see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment
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09:35 TR Bot; Red Hats response to the war in Ukraine
09:35 TR Bot; Collective punishment - Wikipedia
09:36 TR News; As if they punish the war machine in Russia, rather than ordinary citizens (many of whom are brainwashed, some strongly object to the invasion... if they know it is one) https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/music-industry-russia-exits/
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09:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: digitalmusicnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/music-industry-russia-exits/
09:36 TR Bot; Here Are All the Music Industry Companies That Have Left Russia
09:37 TR News; IRC being IRC, and people using pseudonyms http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140322.html#tMar%2014%2014:51:59
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09:37 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 14, 2022
09:38 TR News; This is where taxpayers' money goes... https://www.voanews.com/a/us-pays-2m-a-month-to-protect-pompeo-aide-due-to-iran-threat/6482364.html
09:38 TR Bot; US Pays $2M a Month to Protect Pompeo, Aide Due to Iran Threat
09:38 TR News; CAs = MLM, fake security model https://securityboulevard.com/2022/03/russia-force-feeds-new-trusted-ca-yeah-right/
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09:38 TR Bot; Russia Force-Feeds new, Trusted CAYeah, RIGHT - Security Boulevard
09:40 TR News; TikTok Sounds used to spread COVID vaccine misinformation: think tank | Arab News https://www.arabnews.com/node/1893961/media social control media NOT harmless
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09:40 TR Bot; TikTok Sounds used to spread COVID vaccine misinformation: think tank | Arab News
09:41 TR News; "Washington state lawmakers are set to dedicate $1.5 million to removing toxic fluorescent lights from schools and another $125,000 to studying environmental hazards and creating new standards to protect students from exposure to harmful substances." https://www.propublica.org/article/washington-state-budgets-1-6-million-for-study-and-removal-of-toxic-lights
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09:41 TR Bot; Washington State Budgets $1.6 Million for Study and Removal of Toxic Lights ProPublica
09:43 TR News; "Pretextual stops are law enforcement at its most shameless." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/lapd-police-commission-enrages-police-union-by-enacting-minor-changes-to-pretextual-stops/
09:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/lapd-police-commission-enrages-police-union-by-enacting-minor-changes-to-pretextual-stops/
09:43 TR Bot; Police Commission Enrages Police Union By Enacting Minor Changes To Pretextual Stops | Techdirt
09:44 TR News; "Ive been writing about quackery and the antivaccine movement for over two decades" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/14/mms-as-a-cure-for-covid-19/ WWW does its thing...
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09:44 TR Bot; MMS (a.k.a. bleach) as a "cure" for COVID-19 - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
09:47 TR News; Everyone should quit paying Starbucks even a nickel https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-files-complaint-saying-company-is-cutting-hours-to-union-bust/
09:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-files-complaint-saying-company-is-cutting-hours-to-union-bust/
09:47 TR Bot; Starbucks Union Files Complaint Saying Company Is Cutting Hours to Union Bust
09:47 TR News; "Shenzhen just recently got put on a week-long lockdown." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/14/hackers-beware-shenzhen-is-closing/
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09:47 TR Bot; Beware: Shenzhen Is Closing | Hackaday
09:48 TR News; "Join us on Wednesday, March 16 at noon Pacific for the Open Source ASICs Hack Chat with Matt Venn!" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/14/open-source-asics-hack-chat-with-matt-venn/
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09:48 TR Bot; Source ASICs Hack Chat With Matt Venn | Hackaday
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09:49 TR News; "When youre a natural telecom monopoly in America you get away with a lot." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/big-isps-avoided-2020-law-banning-predatory-modem-rental-fees-by-simply-calling-them-something-else/
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09:49 TR Bot; ISPs Avoided 2020 Law Banning Predatory Modem Rental Fees By Simply Calling Them Something Else | Techdirt
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09:52 TR News; Bad to be understocked on tech at the moment https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/supply-chain-problems-continue-as-inflation-jumps-in-february/
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09:52 TR Bot; Chain Problems Continue as Inflation Jumps In February - CounterPunch.org
09:53 TR News; "Private companies have a lot of people to answer to. When you ask them, theyll claim its either shareholders or customers that they owe their ultimate duty to." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/corporate-information-wants-to-be-free/
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09:53 TR Bot; Information Wants To Be Free | Techdirt
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09:58 TR News; Oil cartel https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/14/there-should-be-consequences-it-ocasio-cortez-slams-big-oil-price-gouging
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09:58 TR Bot; 'There Should Be Consequences for It': Ocasio-Cortez Slams Big Oil Price Gouging
10:02 DaemonFC; https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/us/yonkers-alleged-hate-crime-attack/index.html
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10:02 TR Bot; NY attack: Asian woman stomped on and punched more than 125 times after being called racial slur, police say - CNN
10:02 DaemonFC; Surprised CNN shows her attacker. Surprise, surprise....
10:03 DaemonFC; Democrat city, black guy attacking her. Notice any patterns here? It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy.
10:03 DaemonFC; It's always some Democrat city.
10:03 schestowitz-TR; you are always off topic
10:03 schestowitz-TR; take it to another channel
10:04 DaemonFC; Mr. GAFAM likes to live where people get it.
10:04 DaemonFC; A boot in the face for being Asian.
10:05 DaemonFC; Like San Francisco. Yet another reason to live there.... /sarcasm
10:05 matey; It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy. <- im sure you dont mean that white people never commit carjackings or hate crimes, because thats hilarious
10:05 DaemonFC; Why, everywhere else, we're just a bunch of hayseeds who need to be told (by him, naturally), what's right and wrong.
10:07 DaemonFC; It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy. <- im sure you dont mean that white people never commit carjackings or hate crimes, because thats hilarious
10:07 DaemonFC; Indiana was the last place to pass a hate crimes law, but.... There was also no pressing need for one as things like this rarely, if ever, happen in the entire state.
10:07 DaemonFC; The FBI statistics even show that.
10:07 matey; i get it
10:07 TR News; "For years weve noted how the U.S. has consistently maintained a fairly pathetic speed definition of broadband at the behest of major monopolies" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/washington-state-bill-would-boost-definition-of-broadband-to-100-mbps/
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10:07 TR Bot; State Bill Would Boost Definition Of Broadband To 100 Mbps | Techdirt
10:08 matey; its the law you think is stupid
10:08 matey; laws usually are (more often than not)
10:08 matey; people judge them based on their intent more than their effects
10:08 DaemonFC; Well, the law already allowed for trebling as aggravating factors were present.
10:09 DaemonFC; It just wasn't a separate charge of hate crime.
10:09 matey; id love to see a study on the effects of hate crime legislation
10:09 DaemonFC; You just got a higher degree of that offense with more penalties every time the attack ticked another box.
10:09 TR News; The latest openwashing salad from IBM Red Hat https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/3/open-history-human-progress
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10:09 TR Bot; exchange, open doors, open minds: A recipe for global progress | Opensource.com
10:10 DaemonFC; Now, with the reform, I wouldn't be surprised if the police charge Hate Crime less than the multiple aggravations of assault and battery or forcible rape or something.
10:10 DaemonFC; Because before, they had no choice in what to present the prosecution.
10:10 DaemonFC; Now they do.
10:10 DaemonFC; A hate crimes law that puts the cops in charge. Fantastic.
10:11 matey; laws typically do put the cops in charge
10:11 matey; its where a lot of the whole thing falls apart really
10:11 TR News; brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
10:11 TR News; brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
10:11 TR News; Dying to inform https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/14/brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
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10:11 TR Bot; Brent Renaud, First U.S. Reporter Killed in Ukraine, Praised for His Humanity & Exposing Horrors of War | Democracy Now!
10:12 matey; people focus on the rules themselves for good reason
10:12 matey; but like, chess has rules
10:12 DaemonFC; Hate crime is kind of bullshit anyway.
10:13 matey; suppose you kept all the rules chess, right? but instead of tournament judges you brought the police in to handle everything
10:13 DaemonFC; Criminal: "I see I could go to prison for 20 years for raping you, but since as a Hate Crime it would add a year, I checked the law books, I have decided not to rape you. Carry on!"
10:14 matey; in the long run it would be better to just have every woman carry a deadly weapon
10:14 DaemonFC; That's what I've been saying.
10:14 matey; in the short run a lot of people think thats insane
10:14 matey; in the long run theyll understand
10:14 DaemonFC; Give each one of them a revolver and lessons and let nature run its course with the rapists.
10:14 TR News; "For a few years now, the Australian government has been seeking to outlaw online anonymity." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/australias-online-safety-commissioner-say-anti-trolling-bill-wont-protect-people-is-mostly-about-enabling-defamation-lawsuits/
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10:14 TR Bot; Online Safety Commissioner Say Anti-Trolling Bill Wont Protect People, Is Mostly About Enabling Defamation Lawsuits | Techdirt
10:15 matey; but think of the cops, the cant ALL become dare officers
10:16 DaemonFC; Yeah, remember when they would drive by your school in a sports car that cost $50,000 (in 1990!) and you'd ask where they got it.
10:16 DaemonFC; And they'd say "We took it from a drug dealer we arrested.".
10:17 matey; sounds legit
10:17 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162556
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10:17 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:18 matey; of course they got it at auction, anyone else has just as much claim to that vehicle as anyone else
10:18 matey; just like with cam footage
10:18 kingoffrance; join either #boycottnovell-social or #techpol matey so i can tell you how chess changed with the times :D
10:18 matey; kingoffrance omg
10:18 matey; hehe, do it
10:19 TR News; "Wars rage, countless humans suffer, the rich get richer, life goes on" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/life-goes-on-right/
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10:19 TR Bot; Goes on, Right? - CounterPunch.org
10:19 matey; /me hopes the police never ruin chess
10:19 matey; i draw the line at sting doing a bad album with murray head
10:19 kingoffrance; i tried :D "but like, chess has rules" you'd be surprised. i found the other day in a random filing cabinet from a thrift store..."chessmaster 4000 turbo" instruction book. the queen was a counselor, but then virgin had to be powerful. bishop was an elephant, somewhere else i read a church might've demanded "representation". even says the horse was arabic -- medieval switched to knight. so "horsie" is actually correct lol
10:20 kingoffrance; im sure there's more
10:20 matey; okay im pretty sure i remember chessmaster 3000
10:20 matey; and i dont think video game versions count, but maybe youre right
10:21 kingoffrance; i dont know, it must've been early, talks about human versus computer, all the trials ...
10:21 kingoffrance; i mean the name they were trying to say they were the most advanced at the time or whatever
10:22 kingoffrance; "early" as in i dont know anything, but guessing modern engines are more powerful
10:22 matey; i think the dos-based chess games were more flash than raw game power
10:22 matey; but im no expert
10:22 kingoffrance; the queen surprised me...counsellor was weak
10:22 matey; my interest in chess is barely academic, let alone practical
10:23 matey; over the years ive been more interested in dos than chess
10:23 kingoffrance; i was going to ask (nothing personal) what kind of stuff you are into? software? gaming? programming? web stuff ? sysadmin?
10:23 TR News; "About the only positive thing you can say about famed play/movie writer David Mamet deciding to file an amicus brief in support of Texas in that states appeal of a district court correctly tossing the states social media content moderation bill as unconstitutional is" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/fucking-hell-david-mamet-files-the-most-pointless-silly-amicus-brief-in-texas-content-moderation-appeal/
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10:23 TR Bot; Hell: David Mamet Files The Most Pointless, Silly Amicus Brief In Texas Content Moderation Appeal | Techdirt
10:24 matey; technically software
10:24 matey; but the fsf doesnt get hardware (within reason)
10:24 matey; it needs to hear the hardware people, but that will destroy ryf (good riddance)
10:24 matey; ryf was a good idea
10:24 TR News; Imagine a US president caring about health and environment as much as he cares about sending weapons to other countries
10:24 matey; im not a hardware person. im a software person that understands how important hardware is
10:25 matey; and its only going to become more important. and not "ten years from now" which rms literally said the other day
10:25 matey; okay literally it was a couple weeks ago, but literally he said "ten years from now"
10:25 schestowitz-TR; hardware has lots of software in it these days
10:25 schestowitz-TR; that cannot be ignored
10:25 schestowitz-TR; also in the context of software patents
10:26 schestowitz-TR; it has long been used as a Trojan horse
10:26 matey; the thing is, the fsfs entire picture is based on a caricature of years ago, neither the present nor reality
10:26 matey; its a self-serving caricature that props up decisions they made long ago
10:27 matey; its not even the biggest problem they have. just one of many that wont go away with make believe
10:27 matey; or marketing, which is pretty close
10:28 TR News; "This idea is closely linked to modernisation theory, which was popularised as part of American post-WWII rhetoric." Subtler form of racism or elitism or supremacist ideology. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/re-thinking-the-idea-of-developing-countries/
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10:28 TR Bot; the Idea of "Developing Countries" - CounterPunch.org
10:31 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/03/14/1086390817/new-york-d-c-police-open-joint-investigation-into-recent-shootings-of-homeless-m
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10:31 TR Bot; NYC, D.C. mayors urge homeless to seek shelter after shootings : NPR
10:31 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: FFS!
10:32 schestowitz-TR; GTFO or move to another channel
10:32 schestowitz-TR; stop interjecting this stuff here
10:32 schestowitz-TR; if you want to start cancel culture keg-powder, do it in another network
10:32 schestowitz-TR; that's not helping us
10:33 DaemonFC; Most people gain absolutely nothing from living in a large city.
10:33 matey; the point of cancel culture is to get people to self-censor
10:33 DaemonFC; Stallman tries to promote it as a cure all for climate change.
10:33 schestowitz-TR; this is a channel on tech
10:33 matey; initially, like with stallman, its to censor directly
10:33 schestowitz-TR; and civil rights related to that
10:34 matey; but thats not sustainable. the transition to self-censorship is required
10:34 schestowitz-TR; it's not a place to start demonising black americans
10:34 schestowitz-TR; which is what DaemonFC is trying to do
10:34 matey; im not sure where his obsession with minorities comes from
10:34 DaemonFC; I was pointing out that two more Democrat paradises have a serial killer running around murdering homeless people.
10:34 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't matter
10:34 schestowitz-TR; it's off topic
10:34 DaemonFC; On top of all the other "reasons to live there".
10:34 schestowitz-TR; and it gives ammo to people who try to demonise us
10:35 DaemonFC; Stallman doesn't "get it" That there's no gain to be had by living in a city. You get depression, high taxes, and crime.
10:35 matey; its the second complaint i was addressing
10:35 DaemonFC; Can't even leave your house in broad daylight.
10:35 matey; kowtowing to the cancel brigades wont protect you
10:35 matey; the off topic complaint i have no quarrel with
10:36 schestowitz-TR; we have many channel;s
10:36 schestowitz-TR; he's already in some of them
10:36 schestowitz-TR; but he wants more audience
10:36 schestowitz-TR; for the scapegoating
10:36 matey; im still not sure what his objective is
10:36 DaemonFC; South Chicago was just eery.
10:36 matey; some of his critiques of law are reasonable. i dont share his views on minorities
10:36 DaemonFC; THey build parks, there should be kids playing there. There's no kids playing there. It's because their parents know what will happen to them there.
10:37 matey; Stallman doesn't "get it" That there's no gain to be had by living in a city. You get depression, high taxes, and crime. <- im not sure this sums up a city
10:37 matey; in the past, many people loved living in a city (others still do)
10:37 DaemonFC; Once you get past a certain size of city, 20,000-30,000 people or so, violent crime starts rising exponentially.
10:37 matey; im not sure stallmans opinions on where to live arent deeply affected by his tendency to travel all over the world
10:38 DaemonFC; There's also more people like John or Mr. GULAG living there for the anonymity while they carry out their perversions.
10:38 matey; on the one hand it should give more perspective. on the other hand, hes not "stuck" anywhere per se
10:38 matey; when you can just piss off to south america like he does, its hard to say if he really understands boston. but he might.
10:38 matey; john?
10:39 DaemonFC; My ex. Big cities appeal to perverts and criminals because they figure there's anonymity.
10:39 DaemonFC; They can do what they want and then quickly fade back into the crowd.
10:40 DaemonFC; Of course, it's not entirely true (lots of cameras, for example).
10:40 matey; i think rurals have their share of perverts and criminals as well though
10:40 DaemonFC; Ironically, you have perverts and criminals moving to a big city with lots of surveillance to become anonymous.
10:40 matey; that is ironic
10:40 matey; it may even say a lot about surveillance
10:41 matey; the uk has cameras up every arse, the obvious result being that crime has ended
10:41 matey; so we know it works
10:41 DaemonFC; It works sometimes in Chicago.
10:41 matey; how often
10:41 DaemonFC; Those license plate readers are catching some for now.
10:42 matey; should be illegal, its not constitutional to track everyone that way
10:42 DaemonFC; They're always recording though.
10:42 DaemonFC; They've caught people due to recordings that the plate readers made and saved that were not in a car.
10:42 matey; its not constitutional in britain either, at least not when they were part of the eu
10:42 DaemonFC; So we know they're just cameras that ALSO record plate numbers.
10:42 matey; sneaky
10:43 matey; the thing about constituions is that theyre a formal list of things the government isnt allowed to do but they do anyway
10:43 DaemonFC; Well, they say it's fine because the license plate scanners can't see anything a cop couldn't.
10:44 matey; it still works sometimes, pocock gets to keep his url.
10:44 DaemonFC; If a cop was a computer that could just sit there all day and process every single plate that went by.
10:44 matey; Well, they say it's fine because the license plate scanners can't see anything a cop couldn't. <- nothing beats constitutional protection like a straw man!
10:44 matey; scalia was a genius that way
10:45 matey; he went about the constitution like a baptist preacher goes about the bible
10:45 kingoffrance; ^^^^^^^^ he literally was full "formalism"
10:45 matey; really literally and really stupidly, and in a way that was difficult enough for people to argue with unless they had any sense
10:46 matey; "the letter of the law killeth" said mother theresa, and scalia enjoyed stabbing the constitution to bits
10:46 DaemonFC; Grindr doesn't work for people like John in smaller cities. Because you see the same people on it all the time.
10:46 DaemonFC; And you probably know a lot of them.
10:46 DaemonFC; Looking back, I'm almost certain that's why he insisted on moving to Chicago.
10:47 matey; like bill gates with "what do you mean by 'abridging'"
10:47 matey; scrutinise each individual word until the text loses all meaning
10:47 matey; also put the text on the "meaningless until proven to have meaning" footing
10:47 matey; "how can we be sure they meant that!"
10:48 matey; historians might know, but their testimony doesnt count, all we have is the words before us
10:48 matey; Grindr doesn't work for people like John in smaller cities. Because you see the same people on it all the time. <- sounds like it would chafe
10:49 matey; you cant make it expand to larger areas?
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10:49 matey; "i wonder what the scene is like in aurora"
10:49 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/14/1086345393/strokes-young-people-hailey-bieber
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10:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/14/1086345393/strokes-young-people-hailey-bieber
10:49 TR Bot; What you need to know about strokes and young people : Shots - Health News : NPR
10:49 DaemonFC; "More young people are having strokes"
10:50 DaemonFC; Lots of articles like this lately.
10:50 DaemonFC; I wonder if it has something to do with the COVID shots.
10:50 TR News; Links 15/3/2022: Debian 12 Schedule and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/debian-12-schedule/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/debian-12-schedule/
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10:50 TR Bot; Links 15/3/2022: Debian 12 Schedule and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights
10:50 TR News; Proprietary, Fake Security, and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162557
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10:50 TR Bot; Proprietary, Fake Security, and Openwashing | Tux Machines
10:51 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162558
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10:51 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:51 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162559
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10:51 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
10:52 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162560
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10:52 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
10:52 matey; either way you cant read it without javascript
10:53 matey; you just get a form telling you that npr cares about things its legally required to care about, almost as if to say "thats why we are forcing you to use a browser with js enabled"
10:54 matey; which isnt true, but thats npr
10:57 matey; stay classy people magazine
10:57 DaemonFC; https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/ubuntu-22-04-release-features
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10:57 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.04 Release Date & New Features - OMG! Ubuntu!
10:57 matey; people.com/health/justin-bieber-is-probably-more-traumatized-than-hailey-bieber
10:57 matey; their take on it
10:57 matey; its probably true
10:58 DaemonFC; Ubuntu is back to hacking together a variant of GNOME from mismatching pieces.
10:58 DaemonFC; I'm sure that goes well.
10:58 matey; funny how close that is to what my guess the story would be about
10:58 matey; "ubuntu: it still sucks"
10:58 matey; gnome, now with more features for cancelling people
10:59 matey; i predict that in the next few years, the fsf (or libreplanet) will offer a new tool similar to libre.js
11:00 matey; but instead of using it to complain to website owners about non-free javascript, it will simply report peoples tweets and emails to their boss with "one-click" convenience
11:00 matey; which probably already exists, the novelty being that the fsf endorses it.
11:00 matey; the riaa had a form for this in the days of the napster inquisition
11:01 matey; if your children were using napster without you being aware, and you got one of their demands to settle for $10,000
11:01 matey; they would offer you a form so you could implicate your children instead
11:01 matey; im not sure what thats supposed to do, other than provide evidence that you agree with the position of the complainant?
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11:02 matey; is there a lesser fee demanded then?
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11:03 DaemonFC; It's better to never talk to the other side without your attorney.
11:04 matey; exactly
11:04 DaemonFC; People who blamed their kids were admitting that their internet connection was used to share MP3s.
11:04 matey; and for what its worth, that was actually a "small clot with stroke-like symptoms"
11:04 DaemonFC; They're responsible for what their children do.
11:05 XRevan86; riadne shared https://nitter.eu/oneunderscore__/status/1503434867614228480 , and I had no idea that Russian propaganda took this idea from conspirologists.
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11:05 TR Bot; Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__): "Quick thread: I spent the last week figuring how the American far-right became obsessed with "Ukranian biolabs." I learned two things: 1 The right really is warming back up to Putin. 2 The origins of this specific conspiracy theory are dumber than youd ever imagine." | nitter
11:05 XRevan86; I was wondering how they're managing to produce so much bonkers nonsense. Turns out, they're appropriating other's work.
11:06 matey; "i still dont understand what the theory is
11:07 XRevan86; Putin's propaganda has been using that tactic for many years, but it never occured to me that they're doing this even when making international claims.
11:07 matey; its a fact that labs exist. it seems likely that some produce at least research into bioweapons
11:07 matey; whats the conspiracy theory?
11:08 XRevan86; "it seems likely that some produce at least research into bioweapons" <- I think ye're imagining some kind of top-notch mega facility.
11:08 matey; not at all
11:08 matey; a fridge and some test tubes and some people in white coats
11:09 matey; maybe even an office building
11:09 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/LKSTmcvEdoU even this is a biolab
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11:09 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LKSTmcvEdoU
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11:09 TR Bot; yewtu.be | How one British laboratory protects the world's chocolate - Invidious
11:09 matey; anything down to and not including a meth lab.
11:09 matey; at least one guard outside. at most times. hopefully.
11:09 XRevan86; matey: Why would there be anything even close to research into bioweapons? In Ukraine of all places.
11:10 matey; oh, in ukraine? hehehehe
11:10 matey; is that the theory?
11:10 matey; i meant like in china
11:10 XRevan86; matey: Oh, ye misunderstood the whole premise, now it makes sense :)
11:10 matey; openly-- i didnt know the premise, i was curious
11:10 matey; i expect global superpowers to work on such things
11:11 matey; maybe ukraine has a hobby, but they cant even refine their own gas reserves you know? seems kind of ambitious
11:11 XRevan86; matey: Boy ye're in for a treat.
11:11 XRevan86; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-biological-weapon-claim-us-un-ukraine-bio-labs-explainer
11:11 TR Bot; What are Russias biological weapons claims and whats actually happening? | United Nations | The Guardian
11:11 matey; like that kid who built a reactor out of smoke detectors
11:11 matey; pfft, everyone knows ukraine is the world leader in biological weapons
11:12 matey; thats why im surprised they didnt take over the eu sooner
11:12 XRevan86; matey: Also in nuclear weapon development
11:12 matey; the president of ukraine developers all of this from his secret lair in the middle of a volcaynoo
11:12 XRevan86; It's practically a super-power.
11:13 matey; the big secret to the success of ukraines nuclear weapons programme is they figured out how to detonate radioactive isotypes using UNREFINED natural gas reserves
11:14 matey; because they arent technically equipped to refine natural gas. but plutonium? piece of (yellow) cake!
11:15 XRevan86; matey: Maybe ctivelow can explain to us exactly how they're doing that :)
11:15 XRevan86; He's the local expert.
11:15 matey; if i wanted to pick on him, id joke about using gpus as high-speed switches
11:16 matey; but honestly what he says about gnu/linux is interesting
11:16 matey; his politics...
11:16 matey; hes clearly to the right of daemonfc
11:16 matey; im not sure where daemonfc actually is, but i know that no matter what, activelow is clearly to the right of him
11:17 DaemonFC; im not sure where daemonfc actually is
11:17 DaemonFC; Sick of government, honestly.
11:17 matey; dont blame you for that
11:17 DaemonFC; They did absolutely nothing to stop or contain COVID-19 and now they pretend it's gone away entirely.
11:18 DaemonFC; Except that you "need more shots".
11:18 matey; if they want to increase voter registration, all they have to do is put "no government" on the ballot
11:18 XRevan86; matey: When I classify someone as mentally ill I stop at attempting to dig further.
11:18 DaemonFC; And that's going on in the US, UK, and Germany.
11:18 matey; it doesnt work that way, except rhetorically of course
11:18 DaemonFC; So it may be one thing that schestowitz-TR and activelow agree with me about.
11:18 matey; it does SORT of work that way, just not through that process exactly
11:19 DaemonFC; But 20 years ago I was smart enough to say "Why are these assholes in charge of anything. It's clear they don't know what they're doing and they're corrupt.".
11:19 matey; matey: When I classify someone as mentally ill I stop at attempting to dig further. <- luxury
11:19 matey; i start from the point of view that everyone is insane, because it explains everything
11:20 matey; "Why are these assholes in charge of anything. It's clear they don't know what they're doing and they're corrupt.". <- thats why theyre in charge
11:20 XRevan86; matey: Not really, let's just say my bar is very low, and even then he managed to not pass.
11:21 matey; im not sure youre being fair though. what if hes some kind of nazi savant?
11:21 matey; okay maybe "unfair" is the wrong word. inaccurate?
11:23 matey; what i really mean is that whatever explains him may not be fair to call mental illness in others, even if it is in one instance
11:23 XRevan86; matey: His counterproductive endeavours are respected by some and politics are a complicated topic, so instead just look at what he's writing about (human speech) languages.
11:23 matey; do you have a rough example? if not, ill just watch for what youre talking about.
11:24 XRevan86; No one in their right mind would come to conclusions like that, and he's got a lot of them.
11:24 matey; mmhmm
11:24 matey; i pay more attention to his "counterproductive endeavours" which im not certain are entirely
11:24 matey; some of the decisions hes made are counterproductive without question
11:24 matey; i wish more people paid attention to the level of dependency hell thats being created
11:25 matey; and where that might be going
11:25 matey; also wish he published his work so we could be sure he isnt making it up
11:25 XRevan86; matey: That's why they're respected. But I can guarantee his efforts are going nowhere.
11:25 matey; instead, the only way to verify his experiments is to recreate them from scratch
11:26 matey; But I can guarantee his efforts are going nowhere. <- i think most if not all people admiring his work (if its not a farce) probably already realise that
11:26 DaemonFC; Line up for Russian shot. Is good. Make you smart like bear.
11:26 matey; hes not creating a product, hes not publishing research
11:26 DaemonFC; Nothing bad ever happen from Russian injection.
11:26 matey; hes either going to the ends of the earth for something only he can make proper use of
11:26 matey; or he wants us to think he is
11:28 XRevan86; matey: Regarding languages, if ye have the history, look up words "chaos" and "slime".
11:28 matey; i dont, but i will at some point
11:28 matey; ill be sure to check on those, cheers
11:29 XRevan86; That'll lead to the last discussion on the topic when he made quite a bunch of peculiar statements.
11:30 matey; maybe "inaccurate" was the wrong word too.
11:31 XRevan86; matey: The best part was probably that "Titan" comes from the word "tit", related to "the origin of the universe, melked from a cows tit, the Audhumbla, or Goat Heidrun" (I wish Conversations had better search functionality).
11:33 matey; "clash of the tits" has surely already been used in a context that cant be posted here
11:33 XRevan86; matey: It's too bizarre to paraphrase, and search sucks.
11:33 matey; im no longer sceptical of what youre saying anyway. maybe youre right and maybe youre wrong, but im convinced you most likely have a point.
11:37 matey; /me looks it up
11:37 matey; Audhumla is the divine cow whose milk made up the four rivers that nourished Ymir. She sustained herself by licking the salty ice. Audhumla existed in Ginnungagap before the begining of the world, and was the first creature. She was born from the mists created when the warm winds of the south warmed the northern ice fields.
11:37 matey; but its the etymological argument you take issue with, yes?
11:37 XRevan86; matey: Naturally. All his etymologies are completely fictitious and German.
11:38 XRevan86; For some reason people like him always trace everything to their home language.
11:38 matey; nationalistic self-serving pro-german ancient symbolism
11:38 matey; and probably not for the first time in history...
11:39 XRevan86; If he were Russian, he'd be tracing everything to Russian.
11:39 matey; of course
11:39 XRevan86; I certainly know of quite a bunch of people like him.
11:39 matey; there are no false friends, only foreign enemies
11:39 matey; im sorry to hear youve been collecting them
11:40 XRevan86; I personally know only one.
11:41 matey; but all this begs the question
11:41 matey; is nationalism really a mental illness per se, or just REALLY stupid politics?
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11:42 XRevan86; matey: "Nationalism" is a very broad term, and I don't think I can brush all of it under the same umbrella judgement.
11:42 matey; at least youre setting a good example
11:43 matey; i dont think we should necessarily be as broad as that either
11:43 matey; i mean i dont think theres any problem at all if someone is for example, proud to be from france, or even a particular region within it
11:44 matey; unless every political decision they ever make is in service of this fact solely, which is how it works for a bunch of people
11:44 kingoffrance; im sure someone has a fertile croissant theory
11:44 matey; when your croissants become fertile its time to throw them away and get new ones
11:45 XRevan86; matey: "Stupid politics" of the kind ye have in mind are called "populism" by the way :)
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11:45 XRevan86; Very often nationalist in nature, albeit not completely necessarily.
11:46 matey; XRevan86: we just agreed that nationalism is too broad a term, and now you give me a broader one
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11:46 matey; though the combination of nationalism and populism would be smaller
11:46 XRevan86; matey: Well it is broad, but it encompasses everything that is wrong with public politics.
11:47 XRevan86; Right.
11:47 matey; i like the anti-elitist parts
11:47 matey; its just that populism is known to suck really hard at being anti-elitist
11:48 matey; because it sucks really hard at figuring out where the elitism is
11:48 XRevan86; Populism is practically by definition bad at actually delivering the solution for the root problem.
11:48 matey; its like when medicine skipped diagnosis mostly and just went for the jar of leeches
11:48 matey; "what the hell, it cant hurt"
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11:49 matey; Populism is practically by definition bad at actually delivering the solution for the root problem. <- the whole idea of scapegoating is to get the cause wrong, while thinking its right
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11:50 matey; and if youre german and nationlist, its not too hard to figure out that the problem is all other countries
11:50 matey; and thatll help
11:53 matey; "mr garrison, every year you tell us to get rid of all the mexicans, and every year we tell you 'no'."
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11:54 XRevan86; In disappointed in some people I know that actually believed the biolab conspiracy, just because they were not willing to admit to themselves that the state of affairs in the Russian government is that bad.
11:55 matey; the attachment some people have to the wrong idea would be nothing short of heroic, if it werent based on sheer cowardice
11:58 matey; im impressed that the russian propaganda is so bad that russian journalists are recreating scenes from daemonfcs favourite sci-fi (which im a fan of as well)
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12:00 XRevan86; matey: Which scene?
12:00 matey; wow, babylon 5 is coming back in 2023, but without mira furlan its only going to be babylon 4 1/2
12:00 XRevan86; I'm not exactly a fan of Star Trek, but I've seen a lot of it :)
12:00 matey; shes far from the only actor gone
12:01 XRevan86; Babylon 5 is being rebooted
12:01 matey; yes
12:01 XRevan86; Is some of the cast coming back?
12:01 matey; theyre almost all dead
12:01 XRevan86; Makes sense.
12:01 matey; lando, garibaldi, delenn
12:01 matey; i was heartbroken about mira furlan
12:02 matey; shes more amazing than anyone from star trek
12:02 matey; croatian i think
12:02 XRevan86; I really-really like the Season 1 cast.
12:02 matey; yeah but the acting on season 1 was as stiff as a new pair of boots
12:03 matey; still if this is about the captain, i think we all agree
12:03 XRevan86; True, I said it like that because Sinclair > Sheridan
12:03 matey; of course
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12:03 matey; i mean i actually watched scarecrow and mrs king when it was on
12:03 matey; sheridan was one of the main characters
12:03 matey; they brought him on because they had to, not because it was ideal
12:04 matey; i didnt think he was crap though
12:04 XRevan86; He is adequate.
12:04 XRevan86; But Michael O'Hare was perfect.
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12:04 matey; no argument there
12:04 matey; but to answer your question, when the isn studio was being stormed by troops
12:05 matey; one of the top guys on the team came to the camera with a microphone to explain that theyd been forced to lie for some time
12:05 matey; then there were ROCKS! (junkball reference) and you know the rest
12:06 matey; im pretty sure the ROCKS were actually pieces of studio, but close enough
12:07 matey; there used to be more clips of b5 on youtube
12:07 XRevan86; matey: Sounds like Season 4
12:08 matey; i used to own the first 5 seasons but im pretty sure i watched the scene on youtube as well
12:08 matey; yeah it does, im sure i can find the episode
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12:13 DaemonFC; CNN: The world is being bombed to shit while inflation is through the roof.
12:13 DaemonFC; Here's a pizza oven you can buy on Amazon!
12:15 matey; XRevan86 season 3, episode 10
12:15 matey; The news network ISN, which has avoided broadcasting material critical of Clark, reports that the Proxima III and Orion VII colonies have seceded from the Earth Alliance. The television station is raided by Earth Alliance forces, terminating their broadcast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severed_Dreams
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12:15 TR Bot; Severed Dreams - Wikipedia
12:16 activelow; XRevan86: "Crimea's existence violating the Budapest Memorandum is a new take to me" -> WRONG. It is the military installations with nuclear capabilities and carriers which potentially violates the Budapest memorandum.
12:17 activelow; furthermore, i raise questions about the interference of Westinghouse Electric (fiddling with nuclear facilities), ExxonMobile, Burisma in Ukraine
12:17 XRevan86; activelow: Except it's a Putin assumption that Ukraine would've changed anything regarding that.
12:17 XRevan86; "oh no, yet another revolution, this time they'll for sure screw up our fleet"
12:18 matey; im not clear on whether activelow denies the right of ukraine to invite ExxonMobile there (instead of a russian contractor)
12:19 matey; im certainly not saying this as an exxon fan
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12:29 DaemonFC; JMS is Russian.
12:29 DaemonFC; It stands to reason he modeled the whole takeover of Earth by Clark and Propaganda ISN after the sort of things that happened in the Soviet Union.
12:30 DaemonFC; Babylon 5 wouldn't have survived another round of fighting had the Minbari not showed up with Delenn at the end of that episode.
12:30 matey; theres no question
12:30 DaemonFC; The first wave of the attack took out one of the two EAS destroyers that had defected and badly damaged the station.
12:31 matey; ive watched it a few times
12:31 matey; the episode i was talking about won a hugo, beating out star trek first contact in the same category
12:31 DaemonFC; Clark's plan probably figured on this. The first wave goes in and softens them up and the next wave captures or destroys them.
12:32 DaemonFC; But the interesting thing is that he was in cahoots with the Shadows.
12:32 DaemonFC; So why not have them take care of B5 at this point?
12:32 matey; if more people read about the rise of stalin they might think twice about repeating a number of the same mistakes
12:32 matey; the shadows (and the vorlons) prefer to work quietly and through other people
12:32 DaemonFC; It's established that the Shadows are aware of the White Stars and they are also aware that B4 went back in time 1,000 years.
12:33 matey; they dont do war when they can do proxy war
12:33 DaemonFC; They really should be more apprehensive of the Minbari and B5 and take immediate action to eliminate it.
12:33 matey; theres another important thing to point out
12:33 matey; which is that i always thought trek plotlines were pretty tight
12:33 DaemonFC; Well, Londo kept calling on the Shadows and they practically won the Centauri war against the Narn.
12:33 matey; until i found people really good at ripping apart plotholes
12:34 DaemonFC; That would have gone on forever with inconclusive results without Shadow intervention.
12:34 matey; my favourite trek ship cant even dock! (but it does anyway)
12:34 matey; oh i didnt say they wont intervene
12:34 DaemonFC; The Narn seemed to be at least as technologically developed as the Centauri and with about as large of a military.
12:34 matey; just that they prefer war THROUGH younger races
12:34 matey; the volons too
12:35 matey; vorlons-- the whole point of the younger races (for them) was to win their war for them
12:35 DaemonFC; At the end, the Shadows and Vorlons were going to have an all out direct confrontation.
12:35 DaemonFC; Until one of them was completely destroyed.
12:35 matey; which is an old trope: the old send the young to die for their wars
12:35 matey; yeah with the planet destroyers
12:36 DaemonFC; Would it not have been easier to sit back and watch them kick each other's asses and then move in to mop up what was left?
12:36 matey; they got impatient.
12:36 DaemonFC; It was a big risk to move in with most of both fleets intact.
12:36 matey; its really that simple
12:36 matey; you cant even blame jms for it, as its a theme in real wars
12:37 DaemonFC; The White Stars could have probably finished off whatever was left of whichever side "won".
12:37 DaemonFC; Because "winning" would still mean losing the majority of their fleet.
12:37 matey; you think they could have fought the vorlons?
12:37 DaemonFC; They were successful in destroying that listening outpost.
12:38 DaemonFC; Plus, they still had nuclear weapons hidden in the asteroid field.
12:38 matey; as i recall, the turning point was when ivanova started recruited older races
12:38 matey; because they had better ships and knowledge of the vorlons and shadows
12:38 DaemonFC; It turned out later on that Clark had indeed managed to get his hands on advanced Shadow tech.
12:39 DaemonFC; Probably from the dig on Mars.
12:39 matey; right
12:39 matey; i love the show more than almost any other, but im not sure where youre going with this
12:39 DaemonFC; The White Stars had to fight the Shadow-enhanced Omega destroyer fleet. Those were using beam weapons similar to the Shadows.
12:40 DaemonFC; They could destroy an enemy vessel with one hit, but it seemed like the tracking sensors were not Shadow-derived.
12:40 matey; i thought their beam weapons were more like the vorlon planet destroyer
12:40 DaemonFC; Because they can miss.
12:40 matey; and the shadows used telepaths for targeting
12:41 matey; which pissed off bester because they got his girlfriend
12:41 DaemonFC; It was the Psi Corps that handed her over.
12:41 DaemonFC; And modified her to where it's unlikely she would ever recover.
12:41 matey; and then she turned the medlab into a smart home
12:42 DaemonFC; Well, Sheridan slipped them onto the destroyers waiting at Mars. They integrate into the nearest computer system and they really fuck it up if it's not a Shadow system.
12:42 matey; i remember that
12:45 matey; The White Stars had to fight the Shadow-enhanced Omega destroyer fleet. Those were using beam weapons similar to the Shadows. <- i parsed this incorrectly the first time. got you now.
12:45 matey; i really wish i could watch all that again
12:45 matey; i no longer have a dvd player or the dvds
12:45 matey; and i dont do streaming
12:46 matey; given enough time i may pirate the whole series someday, but i dont do a lot of that either
13:02 TR News; Librem 5 First Impression Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162561
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13:02 TR Bot; Librem 5 First Impression | Tux Machines
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13:08 TR News; Arch Linux turns 20: Small, simple, great documentation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162480#comment-33067
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13:08 TR Bot; BTW, its my birthday - Arch Linux becomes 20 years old today | Tux Machines
13:08 TR News; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 is available for testing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162562
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162562
13:08 TR Bot; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 is available for testing | Tux Machines
13:08 TR News; Top 5 Best Simulation Games for Linux: Live Out Another Life Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162563
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13:08 TR Bot; Top 5 Best Simulation Games for Linux: Live Out Another Life | Tux Machines
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13:11 TR News; The C4C Linux Distro Rises from the Grave Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162564
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13:11 TR Bot; The C4C Linux Distro Rises from the Grave | Tux Machines
13:13 TR News; Solne: "Let me present you my latest project: home-impermanence, under this name is a reference to the NixOS community project impermanence. The name may not be obvious about what it is doing, let me explain." gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-impermanence.gmi
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13:14 TR News; "I've since been a tech addict interested in coding and admin stuff. I embrace the KISS principle, i guess that's why i'm so excited about gemini." gemini://en.gmn.clttr.info/
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13:16 TR News; "I'll have to look into programming it (which was the main reason I was interested in it in the first place) and also check out some community-made games. Maybe the community will have figured out how to make more legitimately playable games." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2022-02-23.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2022-02-23.gmi
13:18 TR News; "Yes I have used SMS-based one time passwords historically on some sites but such setups are problematic and not much of a security improvement. Some argue they make things worse because the false sense of security stops people using higher quality passwords. Here are just a couple of articles that scratch the surface of this topic." gemini://ruario.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-09_MFA-involving-TOTP.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://ruario.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-09_MFA-involving-TOTP.gmi
13:19 TR News; "Valve has released the latest small update for the Steam Deck to fix up a couple of nuisances, a few of which were definitely annoying me." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-update-fixes-buying-games-for-some-touch-input-on-digital-keyboard-theme
13:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-update-fixes-buying-games-for-some-touch-input-on-digital-keyboard-theme
13:19 TR Bot; Deck update fixes buying games for some, touch input on 'Digital' keyboard theme | GamingOnLinux
13:19 TR News; "While they're now pretty late on it, Double Fine say that the Linux and macOS dedicated builds of Psychonauts 2 are still actually on the way." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/double-fine-say-psychonauts-2-for-linux-and-macos-still-coming
13:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/double-fine-say-psychonauts-2-for-linux-and-macos-still-coming
13:19 TR Bot; Fine say Psychonauts 2 for Linux and macOS still coming | GamingOnLinux
13:22 TR News; News publishers furnish their details voluntarily, MIB claims in RTI Appeal https://internetfreedom.in/rule-18-it-rules-rti-appeal/
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13:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/rule-18-it-rules-rti-appeal/
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13:22 TR Bot; News publishers furnish their details voluntarily, MIB claims in RTI Appeal
13:23 TR News; Phoronix pushing Microsoft again, while other (actual) Linux sites rightly ignore this rubbish https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-CBL-Mariner-March-22 Larabel sold us out...
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-CBL-Mariner-March-22
13:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-CBL-Mariner-March-22
13:23 TR Bot; CBL-Mariner Linux Distro Updated For March With Many Security Fixes - Phoronix
13:23 TR News; "We're nowhere close to even having Vulkan 1.0 working yet, there's no reason to get too excited about 1.1. It just means piles more test crashes for features we're claiming to support but don't. If we want to enable more tests, we can turn on the extensions for those features once we actually have them working." https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=a35e721162bb7dad087e75fd07fec08bc635dc96
=> ↺ https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=a35e721162bb7dad087e75fd07fec08bc635dc96
13:23 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
=> ↺ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
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13:26 TR News; Red Hat (IBM) reduced to mindless clouds of buzzwords https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-4-pillars-success
=> ↺ https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-4-pillars-success
13:26 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 4 pillars for success | The Enterprisers Project
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13:27 DaemonFC; given enough time i may pirate the whole series someday, but i dont do a lot of that either
13:27 DaemonFC; HBO "remastered" it, but it didn't do a great job of it.
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13:27 TR News; This is the same IBM that was forcing staff to stop working from home and also forced staff working from home to get an experimental vaccine without proper clinical trials (in spite of complete lack of contact with colleagues) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/hybrid-work-tips
=> ↺ https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/hybrid-work-tips
13:27 TR Bot; Hybrid work: 5 tips for a flexible future | The Enterprisers Project
13:27 DaemonFC; The live action shots were done up so they could be full HD later, but the studio cut the budget for CGI.
13:28 schestowitz-TR; don't say remastered
13:28 schestowitz-TR; remained
13:28 schestowitz-TR; IBM prefers "inclusive" words
13:28 schestowitz-TR; like reMAINed
13:30 SomeH4x0r; someone took down YouTube Vanced, but it will be forgotten in a few months when some fork replaces it. Instead of fucking trying to decentralize the development a bit.
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13:31 DaemonFC; NewPipe works.
13:31 DaemonFC; Google hasn't gone after them yet.
13:32 SomeH4x0r; "yet", but still #deletegithub or whatever
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13:33 SomeH4x0r; it does not matter where it is hosted though
13:33 SomeH4x0r; central entity needs to be killed
13:34 SomeH4x0r; it needs to be developed on multiple hostings, with commits fetched
13:34 *psydroid2 uses NewPipe on Android
13:35 TR News; IBM Red Hat pushing Microsoft's proprietary garbage while asking us to cancel GNU's founder https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/15/preview-clustering-support-jboss-eap-azure-app-service see http://techrights.org/2021/11/24/fedora-slaves-at-microsoft/
=> ↺ https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/15/preview-clustering-support-jboss-eap-azure-app-service
=> http://techrights.org/2021/11/24/fedora-slaves-at-microsoft/
13:35 TR Bot; Preview: Clustering support for JBoss EAP on Azure App Service | Red Hat Developer
13:35 TR Bot; 3.5 Years Later the Master of Fedora is Still Microsoft and IBM Cannot Be Bothered to Alter Git Branch Names (Refuting or Ignoring Its Very Own Directive About Supposedly Racially-Insensitive Terms) | Techrights
13:37 TR News; Congrats on becoming slave of IBM https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/ibm-power-champion-2022/ a nukes company http://techrights.org/2020/08/07/ibm-atomic-bombs/
=> ↺ https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/ibm-power-champion-2022/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/07/ibm-atomic-bombs/
13:37 TR Bot; I'm an IBM Power Champion for 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
13:37 TR Bot; IBM and the Bomb: Series Index (on 75th Anniversary of Atomic Bombs Being Dropped on Civilians) | Techrights
13:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'd probably just use Ubuntu except I dislike the thought of them promoting WSL and having Microsoft's logo on their front page.
13:38 DaemonFC; Almost nobody uses WSL. To the point that their WSL revenue is probably Microsoft slipping them payments just to promote it.
13:38 DaemonFC; Which would otherwise be a business loss.
13:38 TR News; "Between 2022-03-08 and 2022-03-15 there were 30 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 280 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 10.7 % of total released titles" https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-03-15-edition/
=> ↺ https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-03-15-edition/
13:38 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-03-15 Edition - Boiling Steam
13:39 DaemonFC; Almost all "Windows" games, in fact, work with Proton.
13:39 DaemonFC; "Windows" games are designed to use the Windows ABI and APIs, and Proton supports most of it that matters to games.
13:39 TR News; "Recent reports indicate that over 1.2 million active Linux users are currently utilizing the gaming platform Steam, and the numbers are continuing to grow." https://linuxbuz.com/best-resources/whats-the-state-of-play-with-linux-online-poker-rooms
=> ↺ https://linuxbuz.com/best-resources/whats-the-state-of-play-with-linux-online-poker-rooms
13:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxbuz.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxbuz.com/best-resources/whats-the-state-of-play-with-linux-online-poker-rooms
13:39 TR Bot; The State of Play With Linux Online Poker Rooms - LinuxBuz
13:40 DaemonFC; Since there's not enough of a "drag" to provide these anymore to really matter, it all comes down to why you would even bother with Windows.
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13:40 TR News; [Update] Apex Legends Is Borked Again On Steam Deck & Linux https://fossbytes.com/apex-legends-is-borked-again-on-steam-deck-and-linux/
=> ↺ https://fossbytes.com/apex-legends-is-borked-again-on-steam-deck-and-linux/
13:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fossbytes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fossbytes.com/apex-legends-is-borked-again-on-steam-deck-and-linux/
13:40 TR Bot; [Update] Apex Legends Is Borked Again On Steam Deck & Linux
13:40 DaemonFC; For the viruses, maybe.
13:41 DaemonFC; Windows blogs don't like to use the term "virus" anymore.
13:41 DaemonFC; You almost never see it.
13:41 DaemonFC; It's always "ransomware" now, even when that's not exactly what it does.
13:42 DaemonFC; A "virus" is a self-replicating program that is intended to cause harm.
13:42 DaemonFC; So it's best to use that if you need a generic term for such a program.
13:42 TR News; "Please join us at the next regular Open NeuroFedora team meeting on Monday 28 March at 1300 UTC The meeting is a public meeting, and open for everyone to attend." They owned to rebase on a distro not controlled by evil, malicious IBM. https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/03/15/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-28-march-1300-utc.html http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
=> ↺ https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/03/15/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-28-march-1300-utc.html
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
13:42 TR Bot; Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 28 March 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: Blog
13:42 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
13:42 DaemonFC; "Ransomware" is designed to change th conversation from how the virus spreads to one particular thing it may do when it runs.
13:43 SomeH4x0r; ransomware might be spread by humans
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13:43 TR News; "Every quarter, the team together with CentOS and Fedora community representatives, choose initiatives to work on"... No, CentOS is NOT a community and Fedora is no longer a community. All the slaves there have escaped IBM's grip and aren't involved anymore. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-quarterly-update-q4-2021/
=> ↺ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-quarterly-update-q4-2021/
13:43 TR Bot; CPE Quarterly Update Q4 2021 Fedora Community Blog
13:45 TR News; Intel CPUs are such an utter pile of garbage that they cannot just sell them, they want to keep modifying them on live machines. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220315010300.10199-1-cathy.zhang@intel.com/
=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220315010300.10199-1-cathy.zhang@intel.com/
13:45 TR Bot; [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] Support microcode updates affecting SGX - Cathy Zhang
13:45 TR News; Doom ported to Raspberry Pi RP2040 - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/15/doom-ported-to-raspberry-pi-rp2040/
=> ↺ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/15/doom-ported-to-raspberry-pi-rp2040/
13:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/15/doom-ported-to-raspberry-pi-rp2040/
13:45 TR Bot; Doom ported to Raspberry Pi RP2040 - CNX Software
13:46 DaemonFC; Remember Conficker? That was a really bad one.
13:46 DaemonFC; It had dozens of ways of spreading on Windows.
13:46 TR News; Ingo Molnar: "This is -v3 of the "Fast Kernel Headers" tree, which is an ongoing rework of the Linux kernel's header hierarchy & header dependencies" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjBr10JXLGHfEFfi@gmail.com/
=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjBr10JXLGHfEFfi@gmail.com/
13:46 TR Bot; [TREE] "Fast Kernel Headers" Tree -v3 - Ingo Molnar
13:46 DaemonFC; But it never used more than a few at once.
13:46 DaemonFC; They'd patch something and it would update itself and start using something else.
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13:48 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: yes, all those app stores were always a risk
13:48 schestowitz-TR; and some challenged them
13:48 schestowitz-TR; FSF warned about them early
13:48 schestowitz-TR; in apple's case they shut the door
13:48 schestowitz-TR; and if you work around it they imply you do something illega
13:49 schestowitz-TR; hence, people coined "jailbreak"
13:49 schestowitz-TR; and apple refers to installing something on your device as "sideloading"
13:49 DaemonFC; That's what Microsoft calls it too, in the context of an AppX package.
13:50 DaemonFC; But increasingly, anything from outside their store.
13:50 DaemonFC; Due to the history of Windows, they are making incremental changes to make installing software yourself feel "wrong".
13:50 DaemonFC; Not cutting it all off at once,.
13:50 schestowitz-TR; MSI/EXE
13:50 schestowitz-TR; not safe either
13:50 schestowitz-TR; random binaries
13:50 schestowitz-TR; then again, WIndows itself is not safe
13:51 schestowitz-TR; the whole "ecosystem" is one massive clusterfuck
13:51 DaemonFC; That's been how it goes.
13:51 schestowitz-TR; the "Security" or "antivirus" software is just as dodgy as what it claims to be tackling
13:51 DaemonFC; Microsoft doesn't know what's malware and what isn't so now it just attacks Nullsoft installers at random.
13:51 schestowitz-TR; debian lets me add "stores"
13:51 schestowitz-TR; and has a base "trusted" one
13:52 schestowitz-TR; and those have binaries that get studied independently
13:52 schestowitz-TR; and I can compile them myself if I wish
13:52 schestowitz-TR; or if I am deep pocketed like a government
13:52 TR News; Games: Steam Deck, Psychonauts 2, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162565
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162565
13:52 TR Bot; Games: Steam Deck, Psychonauts 2, and More | Tux Machines
13:52 DaemonFC; Right, but you don't really have to worry too much about what's in them.
13:52 DaemonFC; It's not "grab this from some random website and run it".
13:53 TR News; KaOS 2022.02 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
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13:53 TR Bot; KaOS 2022.02 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
13:53 TR News; v
13:53 TR News; v
13:53 TR News; "A Quick overview of KaOS 2022.02." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Kip78pcl3v0
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13:56 TR News; IBM: we are not racist. We use stock photography to compensate for the fact we seldom hire any women programmers, let alone black women. https://opensource.com/article/22/3/manage-java-versions-sdkman like LF: http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/
=> ↺ https://opensource.com/article/22/3/manage-java-versions-sdkman
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/
13:56 TR Bot; Java versions with SDKMan | Opensource.com
13:56 TR Bot; Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights
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13:57 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162566
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13:57 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
13:58 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162567
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13:58 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:01 TR News; Oh, come on, tecmint. You are recycling an article almost ten years old (see age of comments) because you cannot produce new stories? Ravi Saive keeps doing this. Change date to today, republish 9 years later. Pretend it's "NEW" https://www.tecmint.com/mx-linux-review/#comments
=> ↺ https://www.tecmint.com/mx-linux-review/#comments
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14:01 TR Bot; MX Linux Review A Debian Based OS for Linux Beginners
14:03 TR News; AMD outsourcing to Microsoft proprietary software because LLVM did. We need to eradicate GitHub. It should be a top priority. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GFX940-MM-LLVM GitHub = attack on Free software AND on Git: http://techrights.org/2021/09/05/free-software-number-1-enemy/
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GFX940-MM-LLVM
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/05/free-software-number-1-enemy/
14:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GFX940-MM-LLVM
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14:03 TR Bot; AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix
14:03 TR Bot; The State of Free Software | Techrights
14:04 TR News; If you have a choice between two packages and one of them is on GitHub, choose the "other one". On average, in general, projects that use Microsoft proprietary software for hosting do not care about users' freedom and possibly never will.
14:04 TR News; openSUSE on the Raspberry Pi 400 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162568
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162568
14:04 TR Bot; openSUSE on the Raspberry Pi 400 | Tux Machines
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14:07 TR News; Microsofters have found a new angle for attacking Linux (recycle) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33068 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33068
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
14:07 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:07 TR Bot; This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights
14:08 TR News; Maybe the Microsofters want to start naming EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT USES LINUX... and then name-drop "dirty pipe" for FUD's sake.
14:11 TR News; 802.11ah WiFi HaLow development board launched for $99 (Crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162569
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162569
14:11 TR Bot; 802.11ah WiFi HaLow development board launched for $99 (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
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14:20 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/
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14:21 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/ )
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14:21 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/
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14:22 MinceR; 15 082636 <~schestowitz> MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/icbm.png
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14:22 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
14:22 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
14:22 MinceR; lol
14:22 schestowitz-TR; it'sa , png
14:22 schestowitz-TR; I can have fun with it in the future, has transparency in it
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14:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe we can help that catch on
14:22 schestowitz-TR; ICMB Red Hat
14:22 schestowitz-TR; that'll sell
14:23 schestowitz-TR; *ICBM
14:23 schestowitz-TR; wait, I'll make a meme now
14:23 schestowitz-TR; should be fun
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14:25 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Attacking_Communities.2FVolunteers
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14:25 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
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14:27 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815133.jpg
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14:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815133.jpg
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14:29 activelow; "Intel establishes production facility in Magdeburg/Germany"; "Intel will ensure a reliable independent supply chain", 17billion, 2027, 3000 jobs, Chancellor Scholz Olaf
14:30 schestowitz; "We aren't always slapping Free software volunteers; But when we do, we nuke 'em"
14:30 activelow; i would rather have asked, if and how all IBM Wintel could be removed, to establish reliable independent manufacturing
14:31 MinceR; that wouldn't establish reliable independent manufacturing
14:31 MinceR; amd and arm puts pretty much the same shit in their CPUs
14:31 activelow; yes
14:31 activelow; sure
14:31 activelow; and if anything Intel/Pentagon/USA had proven, it was their hostile business habits
14:32 MinceR; well, it couldn't be the russians or red china because they can't come up with anything on their own
14:33 activelow; in 1980s we already had it, semiconductor manufacturing and the know how; yet it was destroyed, and even if Intel plants it's corruption into the middle of east-germany now this changes nothing
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14:34 activelow; my opinion, of cause, besides the fact this corrupt criminal gang of RAND corp war criminals now establishes manufacturing plants in east-germany
14:35 activelow; of cause, too it's a fact the former semi-conductor manufactoring is lost, and cannot be re-established
14:35 activelow; as a reminder, NASA itself couldn't source required parts anymore for their space-shuttle, which was their dumpster diving for i8086/Z80/Gigatron era parts
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14:38 activelow; no surprise, Atlantic Bridge minion war criminals in german politics and media boast about it, the benefits of IBM Wintel offloading their proprietary stuff into eastern universities
14:39 activelow; i could sing a dozen songs, their peddling in Deutsche Telekom university
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14:39 activelow; and the consequences of this
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14:41 activelow; in parallel, recently tightened "anti hate speech", surveillence, "strengthening inner peace of society" was announced by ministry of the interior a moment ago, which is total propaganda and agitation of theirs boiled up to the max
14:41 schestowitz-TR; hi, techrights_guest|47
14:45 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162570
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162570
14:45 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
14:47 TR News; Games modified specifically to work with GNU/Linux. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/action-shooter-the-ascent-is-steam-deck-verified-adds-a-little-tweak-for-deck-players
14:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/action-shooter-the-ascent-is-steam-deck-verified-adds-a-little-tweak-for-deck-players
14:47 TR Bot; The Ascent is Steam Deck Verified, adds a little tweak for Deck players | GamingOnLinux
14:48 TR News; "Currently across games, software and DLC there's a total of 1,352 that are either Verified (740) or Playable (612)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heres-some-of-the-latest-steam-deck-verified-titles-including-the-popular-valheim
14:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heres-some-of-the-latest-steam-deck-verified-titles-including-the-popular-valheim
14:48 TR Bot; some of the latest Steam Deck Verified titles including the popular Valheim | GamingOnLinux
14:48 TR News; Of course this has NOTHING to do with Linux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-releases-april-20-more-zen-processors-on-the-way is AMD sending crates of gifts to people other than MicroLarabel? http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-releases-april-20-more-zen-processors-on-the-way
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
14:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-releases-april-20-more-zen-processors-on-the-way
14:48 TR Bot; Ryzen 7 5800X3D releases April 20, more Zen processors on the way | GamingOnLinux
14:48 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
14:49 TR News; Seems like he really ordered it. Not a gift. https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-first-impressions/
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14:49 TR Bot; Steam Deck First Impressions - Boiling Steam
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14:54 activelow; "Intel investment important impulse", "Germany attractive to high-tech investors"; Habeck, ministry of economics
14:54 TR News; Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
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14:54 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
14:55 activelow; whoever IBM Wintel were (Pentagon RAND Corp.); they're not attractive to me, they're hostile, corrupt and ruinous
14:55 TR News; and
14:56 TR News; "Apparently there's some sort of anti-copy mechanism for discs recorded via optical (but not analog), but I'm the only person I've ever known with minidisc anything so I think I'm okay on that front, and I still have all the original sources anyways." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2020-11-16.gmi
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14:56 TR News; Games: Deck Stuff and Beat Invaders Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162571
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162571
14:56 TR Bot; Games: Deck Stuff and Beat Invaders | Tux Machines
14:59 TR News; Drew DeVault's blog: "I mainly focused on the programming language this month. I started writing a kernel, which you can see a screenshot of below. This screenshot shows a simulated page fault, demonstrating that we have a working interrupt handler, and also shows something mildly interesting: backtraces." https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/15/Status-update-March-2022.html
=> ↺ https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/15/Status-update-March-2022.html
14:59 TR Bot; Status update, March 2022
15:00 TR News; Phoronix Intel spam, unrelated to Linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IDM-EU-Investment Intel pays him to do this...
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IDM-EU-Investment
15:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IDM-EU-Investment
15:00 TR Bot; Announces 33 Billion Investment In The EU - Phoronix
15:04 TR News; Typical lies and hogwash from ICBM Red Hat https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-equal-pay there are lawsuits to that effect http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/the-ibm-standards/
=> ↺ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-equal-pay
=> http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/the-ibm-standards/
15:04 TR Bot; Red Hats commitment to equal pay
15:04 TR Bot; Red Hat (IBM): FSF is Vile, Microsoft is Great; Our Sexism and Racism Are Also OK | Techrights
15:04 activelow; Russia announces: "Blinken and Biden forbidden to visit Russia"
15:04 schestowitz-TR; that's news?
15:05 schestowitz-TR; you seem to be reading Russian BS
15:05 schestowitz-TR; Hitler did not welcome Churchill to Belin, either
15:05 schestowitz-TR; *Berlin
15:05 TR News; ReactOS now supports SMP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162572
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15:05 TR Bot; ReactOS now supports SMP | Tux Machines
15:06 MinceR; did they want to?
15:07 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: [Cr]acked US companies to face new reporting requirements https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-business-congress-gary-peters-c46e063220568b2beb56220ac60f6041 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
=> ↺ https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-business-congress-gary-peters-c46e063220568b2beb56220ac60f6041
=> http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
15:07 TR Bot; Hacked US companies to face new reporting requirements | AP News
15:07 TR Bot; Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
15:07 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: usually they convene in some third, "neutral" country
15:08 schestowitz-TR; like poland or singapore
15:08 schestowitz-TR; polanf is nato
15:08 schestowitz-TR; so not neutral
15:08 schestowitz-TR; china isn't either
15:08 schestowitz-TR; hungary is a double agnts spy
15:08 MinceR; let them do that
15:08 MinceR; and assassinate putler
15:10 schestowitz-TR; Russia will send out a fake clone
15:11 TR News; Phoronix... boring. Paid-for x86 MARKETING. NO connection to Linux. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5800X3D-New-CPUs paid-for junk, cruft. http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5800X3D-New-CPUs
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
15:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5800X3D-New-CPUs
15:11 TR Bot; Announces Ryzen 7 5800X3D Shipping On 4/20, New Mainstream CPUs - Phoronix
15:11 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
15:11 TR News; "Even better would be if they had to report it to the public." Would be better if the "news" reported this that is a Microsoft Windows issue. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/us-critical-infrastructure-companies-will-have-to-report-when-they-are-hacked.html
15:11 TR Bot; Critical Infrastructure Companies Will Have to Report When They Are Hacked - Schneier on Security
15:12 TR News; "Even better would be if they had to report it to the public." Would be better if the "news" reported that this is a Microsoft Windows issue. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/us-critical-infrastructure-companies-will-have-to-report-when-they-are-hacked.html
15:13 TR News; Recycle and reuse are kinder to the planet. Let's hope this lasts a while. Buy less, learn to repair and maintain. https://www.maketecheasier.com/covid-foxconn-delaying-next-iphones/
=> ↺ https://www.maketecheasier.com/covid-foxconn-delaying-next-iphones/
15:13 TR Bot; COVID Closes Foxconn, Possibly Delaying Next iPhones - Make Tech Easier
15:14 SomeH4x0r; COVID closes? Maybe the restrictions do?
15:14 TR News; SUSE: proprietary software reseller of Microsoft and SAP. Almost half of their blog posts are SAP shilling. https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-still-one-of-the-most-discussed-topics-in-the-sap-community/ see http://techrights.org/2011/09/16/linux-tax-at-sap/
=> ↺ https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-still-one-of-the-most-discussed-topics-in-the-sap-community/
=> http://techrights.org/2011/09/16/linux-tax-at-sap/
15:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-still-one-of-the-most-discussed-topics-in-the-sap-community/
15:15 TR Bot; with SAP- still one of the most discussed topics in the SAP community | SUSE Communities
15:15 TR Bot; SAP Offers Lip Service to Red Hat But Continues to Pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux, Thanks to SUSE | Techrights
15:15 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: no, it's not like that in English
15:15 schestowitz-TR; that means to say
15:15 schestowitz-TR; COVID causes closure
15:15 schestowitz-TR; but still improperly phrase
15:15 schestowitz-TR; it's not the virus itself doing it
15:15 immibis; SomeH4x0r: why do you think stopping COVID is bad?
15:15 schestowitz-TR; it's humans closing the factories
15:15 schestowitz-TR; due to COVID killing them
15:16 immibis; in place where governments make no attempt to coordinate the stoppage of COVID, stuff is still closed, businesses are still failing, people are still staying at home, etc
15:16 immibis; places*
15:16 SomeH4x0r; governments closing stuff
15:16 SomeH4x0r; government actions cause closure
15:16 schestowitz-TR; HK is drowning in COVID atm
15:16 schestowitz-TR; same in South Korea
15:16 immibis; then explain why closure happens in places without government actions
15:16 schestowitz-TR; HK is close to shenzhen
15:17 immibis; explain why less closure happened in places with strong government actions
15:17 schestowitz-TR; where much Foxconn production happens iirc
15:17 immibis; your ideological possession does not match up to reality
15:17 schestowitz-TR; then shipped from the ports in or near HK
15:17 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, we barely know what goes in china
15:17 schestowitz-TR; they carefully control what info "gets out"
15:18 SomeH4x0r; stopping COVID-19 is not bad, introducing new-normal restrictions which might stay for years or more is bad
15:19 TR News; Gulag, I don't care how FAST your malware is https://blog.chromium.org/2022/03/how-chrome-became-highest-scoring.html
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15:19 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: How Chrome Became Highest Scoring Browser on Speedometer, Ever
15:20 SomeH4x0r; governments spread information, people might decide to close places too
15:21 SomeH4x0r; anyway, I think it is more about the panic (if this word is applicable) than about the virus
15:21 schestowitz-TR; it's causing hoispitals to go above capacity
15:21 schestowitz-TR; and that harms all patients
15:21 schestowitz-TR; of all ages
15:22 schestowitz-TR; we have a surge in COVID patients here this month
15:22 schestowitz-TR; see schestowitz.com/Weblog for visuals and anniotations
15:23 SomeH4x0r; you didn't specify the protocol
15:23 SomeH4x0r; if it is a webplace
15:23 SomeH4x0r; or geminiplace
15:23 SomeH4x0r; or both?
15:24 TR News; Linux Foundation is trying to reinvent itself as a diploma mill https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-provides-a-clear-path-to-cloud-native-careers-301501931.html see http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
=> ↺ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-provides-a-clear-path-to-cloud-native-careers-301501931.html
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
15:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-provides-a-clear-path-to-cloud-native-careers-301501931.html
15:24 TR Bot; New Cloud Native Developer Bootcamp Provides a Clear Path to Cloud Native Careers
15:24 TR Bot; Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights
15:24 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: just http for now
15:25 schestowitz-TR; it's an old site, 20 years
15:25 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162573
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15:25 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
15:26 TR News; Qt now abandons GNU/Linux? "There is no simple API for doing that on any platform we target - iOS, Android and Windows." https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
=> ↺ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
15:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
15:26 TR Bot; Qt for WebAssembly on mobile devices
15:28 SomeH4x0r; weird, why would HTTPS redirect to some weird 404 page
15:28 TR News; "SAP and Arvato, for example, want to offer Microsoft products to German administrations and the new government is open to this." And FSFE was OPEN TO MICROSOFT MONEY!! https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220315-01.en.html
=> ↺ https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220315-01.en.html
15:28 TR Bot; Germany: 100 days of coalition agreement - hardly one day for Free Software - FSFE
15:29 schestowitz; SomeH4x0r: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/
15:29 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com
15:30 schestowitz; not 404
15:30 schestowitz; maybe you put small w
15:30 SomeH4x0r; yes, but https:// results in 404
15:30 TR Bot; not resolve host: results; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https:// results )
15:31 schestowitz-TR; I'll look into it
15:32 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to force CAs on people
15:32 schestowitz-TR; impose/enforce
15:33 SomeH4x0r; self-signed works already, just wrong page
15:33 SomeH4x0r; I don't care about these stupid warnings
15:33 SomeH4x0r; but they will censor us
15:33 schestowitz-TR; this is shared hosting with no shell access
15:33 schestowitz-TR; not proper shell access
15:33 schestowitz-TR; so I cannot self-sign, I don't think...
15:33 SomeH4x0r; with mandatory HSTS I'm not aware how to disable in the big browsers
15:34 schestowitz-TR; I'm looking into it at this moment
15:34 SomeH4x0r; afaik Pale Moon did implement it themselves
15:35 schestowitz-TR; I changed my mind
15:35 schestowitz-TR; I'd rather not do ssl than send ZemlinShitPAC my "trust"
15:35 schestowitz-TR; cpanel is what they give me here
15:35 schestowitz-TR; and it defaults to LE
15:36 SomeH4x0r; can't upload own certificate?
15:36 schestowitz-TR; no, I can only access ~/public_html
15:36 schestowitz-TR; afaik
15:36 SomeH4x0r; oh, fuck it then
15:36 XRevan86; Ovsyannikova got herself a civil case.
15:37 SomeH4x0r; I expect them to eventually censor http:// either
15:37 TR Bot; not resolve host: either; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// either )
15:37 XRevan86; Seems like the gods were merciful on her.
15:37 SomeH4x0r; just like they simply removed ftp:// already, afaik
15:37 schestowitz-TR; the browsers did
15:37 schestowitz-TR; you can still use ftp
15:37 schestowitz-TR; mostly gulag-controlled browsers
15:37 SomeH4x0r; yes, but most brainwashed users don't care
15:37 schestowitz-TR; for some things ftp is fine
15:37 schestowitz-TR; anon access
15:38 schestowitz-TR; like in the old days
15:38 schestowitz-TR; no password
15:38 schestowitz-TR; and no sensitive things
15:38 schestowitz-TR; like, for download of stuff
15:38 schestowitz-TR; and you can check against md5sum or similar
15:38 schestowitz-TR; schestowitz.com had ftp many years ago
15:38 schestowitz-TR; public ftp
15:38 schestowitz-TR; with some software of mine
15:38 schestowitz-TR; anon access
15:40 TR News; QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574
15:40 TR Bot; QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag | Tux Machines
15:40 schestowitz-TR; one upside of the Internet wars of the past 3 weeks is that we see many bubbles busrtng
15:40 schestowitz-TR; one of them is the CAs with their "trust" model
15:41 schestowitz-TR; it's more of an instrument of unjust power
15:41 schestowitz-TR; over millions of sites that would otherwise be openly available
15:41 psydroid2; those prices for ARM SBCs are becoming crazy too
15:42 TR News; Jim Zemlin is selling sears again. This is how it works; they're up for sale. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-linux-foundation-welcomes-new-board-members-from-ericsson-fujitsu-meta-panasonic-sony-and-vmware/
15:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-linux-foundation-welcomes-new-board-members-from-ericsson-fujitsu-meta-panasonic-sony-and-vmware/
15:42 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Welcomes New Board Members from Ericsson, Fujitsu, Meta, Panasonic, Sony, and VMWare - Linux Foundation
15:43 TR News; Drew DeVaults latest criticism of the Linux Foundation might be overlooking the fact that nowadays Linux Foundation seats are literally on sale (thats how its raising money, in effect handing over or selling Linux direction/control) http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/linux-foundation-for-sale/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/linux-foundation-for-sale/
15:43 TR Bot; If You Dont Understand Why Linux Foundation Board is Less Than 5% Geeks, Then You Dont Understand the Linux Foundation | Techrights
15:44 TR News; "The National Science Foundation (NSF) has launched a new initiative called Pathways to Enable Open-Source Ecosystems (POSE), which will harness the power of open source development for the creation of new technology solutions to problems of national and societal importance." https://www.fosslife.org/nsf-announces-pathways-enable-open-source-ecosystems
=> ↺ https://www.fosslife.org/nsf-announces-pathways-enable-open-source-ecosystems
15:45 TR Bot; NSF Announces Pathways to Enable Open Source Ecosystems
15:46 TR News; Proprietary software. "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-074-01
=> ↺ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-074-01
15:46 TR Bot; ABB OPC Server for AC 800M | CISA
15:46 XRevan86; https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300747814001
=> ↺ https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300747814001
15:46 TR Bot; Fox News cameraman Pierre Zakrzewski killed in Ukraine | On Air Videos | Fox News
15:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: foxnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300747814001
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15:46 XRevan86; Ariadne: ^ Republican support for Putin might just shrink a little now
15:47 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: "Axeda Desktop Server for Windows: All versions" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-067-01 "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity"
=> ↺ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-067-01
15:47 TR Bot; PTC Axeda agent and Axeda Desktop Server (Update B) | CISA
15:48 TR News; Linux: LOCAL priv escalation bug. MEDIA: OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Microsoft Windows "exploitable remotely/low attack complexity".... media: what? Sorry? Did you say something? They're still working on ruining us. http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
=> http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
15:48 TR Bot; Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us | Techrights
15:51 TR News; The Internet as we know it is dying a fast death (not yet end of life) https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-nearly-isolated-online-mean-internets-future-rcna19389 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/
=> ↺ https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-nearly-isolated-online-mean-internets-future-rcna19389
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/
15:51 TR Bot; Russia is nearly isolated online. What does that mean for the internets future?
15:51 TR Bot; The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights
15:52 TR News; "A cryptic, Rosicrucian-inspired text of disputed authorship, featuring engravings rich in alchemical symbolism." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/cabala-spiegel/
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15:52 TR Bot; A Hall of Mirrors: Cabala, Spiegel Der Kunst Und Natur, In Alchymia (1615) The Public Domain Review
15:53 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162575
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15:53 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
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15:59 schestowitz; clownflare test https://opensource.com/article/22/3/manage-java-versions-sdkman
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15:59 TR Bot; Java versions with SDKMan | Opensource.com
15:59 schestowitz; OK, they moved the site
15:59 schestowitz; but no CF
16:01 TR News; ICBM Red Hat continues outsourcing itself to Amazon. ping opensource.com PING opensource.com (54.204.39.132) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from ec2-54-204-39-132.compute-1.amazonaws.com (54.204.39.132): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=105 ms ... see http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/
16:01 TR Bot; It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights
16:03 TR News; ICBM Red Hat has long been slow to adopt female workers at higher levels http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
16:03 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
16:03 TR News; Linux Foundation Marketing Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162576
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16:03 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Marketing Fluff | Tux Machines
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16:24 TR News; "There are many terminal apps available that you can use while working with the command-line, but which one should you consider using? In this video, Jay from LearnLinuxTV shows you his top 5 favorite terminal emulators." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aCIph71bBic
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16:24 TR Bot; Top 5 Terminal Emulators - Invidious
16:25 TR News; Microsoft and a Node/JS are piles of shit. https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/node-js-security-parse-server-remote-code-execution-vulnerability-resolved
16:25 TR Bot; Node.js security: Parse Server remote code execution vulnerability resolved | The Daily Swig
16:25 TR News; Run Your Own Server For Fun (and Zero Profit) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162577
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16:25 TR Bot; Run Your Own Server For Fun (and Zero Profit) | Tux Machines
16:28 TR News; Announcement: gcobol https://lwn.net/ml/gcc/20220314163437.54ed696e0499d0875743a0f3@schemamania.org/
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16:29 TR Bot; gcobol [LWN.net]
16:29 TR News; Three Tools to Scan a Linux Server for Viruses, Malware and Rootkits Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162578
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162578
16:29 TR Bot; Three Tools to Scan a Linux Server for Viruses, Malware and Rootkits | Tux Machines
16:31 TR News; Pine64 previews RK3588-based QuartzPro64 SBC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574#comment-33070
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574#comment-33070
16:31 TR Bot; QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag | Tux Machines
16:35 activelow; rk3588 is heterogenous SMP, no thanks
16:39 TR News; An OpenStreetMap viewer for Emacs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162579
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16:39 TR Bot; An OpenStreetMap viewer for Emacs | Tux Machines
16:39 TR News; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Document Foundation, Terminals, and KaOS 2022.02 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162580
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162580
16:39 TR Bot; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Document Foundation, Terminals, and KaOS 2022.02 | Tux Machines
16:41 psydroid2; I don't know what is happening with Cortex-A78C and Cortex-X1C
16:41 psydroid2; it's very quiet on that front
16:41 TR News; "I decided not to once I had finished the 54 gig download of over 140,000 MOD files. The directory structure of the downloaded files was going to make it a little cumbersome to be useful on a gopher site." gemini://gemini.lottalinuxlinks.com/posts/2021-01-29-welcome-to-the-modcast.gmi
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16:42 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: indeed
16:43 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162581
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16:43 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
16:46 psydroid2; I would look towards RISC-V now with hopefully more chips in the pipeline
16:48 activelow; i'll be heading towards Gigatron/Z80 era once done with the linux distro (which i try to keep as minimal and clean as possible, including removal of GCC if possible, no kernel updates beyond v5.10LTS anymore)
16:50 TR News; Links 15/3/2022: C4C Linux is Back and gcobol Unveiled | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/gcobol-unveiled/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/gcobol-unveiled/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/gcobol-unveiled/
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16:50 TR Bot; Links 15/3/2022: C4C Linux is Back and gcobol Unveiled | Techrights
16:50 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162582
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16:50 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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17:05 XRevan86; Huh, Yandex is going to sell its publication resources: News and (D)zen.
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17:15 schestowitz-TR; what are those?
17:16 MinceR; well, it seems yandex is going away
17:16 MinceR; i guess whoever owned it is no longer comfortable with serving vladolf
17:16 XRevan86; Not really.
17:17 XRevan86; But it seems like News and Zen are too much of a liability to them now.
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17:17 XRevan86; They had to censor them extremely, and no one is happy.
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17:19 XRevan86; Maybe they're hoping that they'll look less pro-Kremlin if they ditch the services that the Kremlin wants the most control over.
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17:42 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/814958.jpg
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17:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/814958.jpg
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18:05 activelow; https://www.dw.com/en/russia-formally-departs-council-of-europe/a-61136962
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18:05 TR Bot; formally departs Council of Europe | News | DW | 15.03.2022
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18:12 DaemonFC; "Fixed: A bug that slipped into the previous release and prevented OpenVPN from working on any devices except ones with the AMD64 architecture."
18:12 DaemonFC; https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
=> ↺ https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
18:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nordvpn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
18:12 TR Bot; for Linux: release notes | NordVPN
18:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz, So this basically confirms that they aren't testing on anything except x86-64.
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18:14 DaemonFC; I don't kno what architectures they "support".
18:14 DaemonFC; The main package just adds their repo and signing key.
18:17 DaemonFC; Ukraine has charged the Russian puppet mayor of Mariupol with treason.
18:17 DaemonFC; Nobody has seen the real mayor alive since Saturday.
18:18 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/fTr3ZBL.mp4
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18:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/fTr3ZBL.mp4
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18:23 DaemonFC; MinceR, The movie Lifeforce was pretty good.
18:23 DaemonFC; Best line, one of the male energy vampires says "It will be far less horrifying if you simply come here.".
18:23 DaemonFC; Every government ever.
18:23 MinceR; :>
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18:25 DaemonFC; MinceR, What I don't get is how they could be hovering above a major city like that and no world government decides to nuke their spaceship.
18:26 DaemonFC; There's no evidence that they have any defenses for that. They're a race of parasites that apparently descends upon Earth to feed on the humans every several thousand years. Their ship stores the life energy like a battery.
18:26 MinceR; so they're nicer than the usual politicians, managers and priests, who do this constantly instead of every several thousand years
18:27 DaemonFC; Life Sucking Energy Vampires 2024
18:27 DaemonFC; They're better than the Democrats.
18:29 DaemonFC; MinceR, I was watching a movie once where the aliens show up and promise humans all sorts of advanced technology and as a demonstration, they start cleaning all of the smog and pollution out of the atmosphere.
18:29 DaemonFC; All they want are the black people. So after a little bit of debate, we turn them over and have the military forcing them onto the alien ships.
18:29 TR News; 20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
18:29 TR Bot; Blog Archive 20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End
18:30 DaemonFC; There was a debate over whether this was ethical or not and what the aliens could possibly want them for and then the result was "Who knows? Who cares? Look at what they're offering us and look at what we have.".
18:31 DaemonFC; MinceR, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109487/
=> ↺ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109487/
18:31 TR Bot; Slop (TV Movie 1994) - IMDb
18:32 DaemonFC; From the way the movie was written, I think it was meant to be critical of white people.
18:32 DaemonFC; But it didn't do a very good job of it.
18:34 DaemonFC; MinceR, At no point did anyone in the movie explicitly put the alien offer on the table as "You mean we get technology 1,000 years more advanced than our own and in exchange there won't be any crime or need for prisons?".
18:34 MinceR; which would be obviously false anyway
18:35 DaemonFC; If you reduced the prison load by 84% in America, you could do a combination of community corrections and county jails with what was left.
18:35 TR News; When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/
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18:35 TR Bot; When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights
18:35 MinceR; even if you could, that would not eliminate all crime or all need for prisons
18:35 DaemonFC; Essentially all serious crime.
18:36 MinceR; and we don't even imprison the worst of our criminals
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18:36 MinceR; or otherwise punish
18:36 DaemonFC; What would be left? The occasional guy who walks in on his wife and another man?
18:36 MinceR; putler is unpunished
18:36 MinceR; the CPC is unpunished
18:36 MinceR; rocket man is unpunished
18:36 MinceR; bill gAIDS, steve ballmer, asatya nadella and the entire management of MICROS~1 is unpunished
18:36 MinceR; the management of ibm/deadrat is unpunished
18:37 MinceR; viktor orban is unpunished
18:37 DaemonFC; Yeah, but the statistics would be a damned sight better than they are now.
18:37 MinceR; we imprison people for committing crimes that are not great enough
18:37 DaemonFC; I liked that world they went to on Star Trek: TNG where there was only one penalty for anything. Death.
18:37 MinceR; and most of those people aren't even black
18:37 DaemonFC; They chose a zone for enforcement each day.
18:38 DaemonFC; Most people wouldn't risk death to commit any offense, so crime dropped to almost nothing.
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18:38 psydroid2; https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/europe/netherlands-prisons-shortage.html
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18:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/europe/netherlands-prisons-shortage.html
18:38 TR Bot; Dutch Get Creative to Solve a Prison Problem: Too Many Empty Cells - The New York Times
18:39 DaemonFC; MinceR, Most people should know not to talk to the police. Very few can actually keep their mouths shut though.
18:39 DaemonFC; There's absolutely no chance of helping your case, but you will eventually start telling them things they do not know.
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18:40 bnchs; hell
18:40 DaemonFC; I was reading about a police chief in Arkansas that murdered a man.
18:40 DaemonFC; He even eventually started talking to them.
18:41 MinceR; "l'enfer, c'est les autres."
18:41 bnchs; hello
18:41 DaemonFC; "We just need to know about your day. And by not talking to us, that means you did something bad today, right?"
18:41 DaemonFC; See what they did there? Not talking to them is not admissible in court as evidence of wrongdoing.
18:41 bnchs; DaemonFC, so they manipulate people into spilling
18:41 DaemonFC; But they make you think it might be. As a cop, he should have known better.
18:42 DaemonFC; Oh yes, they'll sit there for hours.
18:42 DaemonFC; They'll alternate between threats of things they can't do and promises they can't make and won't keep.
18:42 DaemonFC; And they'll get it out of you a little at a time.
18:42 DaemonFC; Most people, that is.
18:42 bnchs; lol
18:42 bnchs; once you tell them everything
18:43 DaemonFC; Out come the handcuffs.
18:43 DaemonFC; "Hey, you said you'd let me go home!"
18:43 bnchs; you're not gonna win your case
18:43 DaemonFC; Cop: "Yeah, that's not what's happening!"
18:43 bnchs; because they'll learn from what you said
18:43 bnchs; the lawyers
18:43 DaemonFC; Then many people who are arrested again didn't learn the first time.
18:43 DaemonFC; And go right back to sitting there talking to the police without their attorney.
18:44 bnchs; they have a right to remain slient
18:44 DaemonFC; And they get themselves in trouble, again and again.
18:44 DaemonFC; they have a right to remain slient
18:44 DaemonFC; "But not the ability....." -Ron White
18:44 DaemonFC; bbiab
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18:47 bnchs; they actually pirate netflix accounts
18:47 bnchs; rather than downloading the movies directly
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18:53 bnchs; hi
18:53 schestowitz-TR; 0/
19:00 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815412.jpg
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19:01 TR News; The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/
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19:01 TR Bot; The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights
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19:09 schestowitz-TR; activelow: will use your link
19:09 schestowitz-TR; for epo metaphor
19:13 activelow; currently following this one "Intel City Magdeburg", and F-35 acquisition plans in Germany
19:13 activelow; schestowitz-TR: which link?
19:14 schestowitz; activelow: http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
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19:14 TR Bot; [Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights
19:17 TR News; [Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
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19:20 immibis_; wait, are we talking about the EPO because its cafeteria doesn't accept cash?
19:22 TR News; "I disagree. I don't think companies should be able to shutdown commentary they don't like by taking domain names from others." https://lwn.net/Articles/887931/#Comments
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19:22 TR Bot; Hat fails to take WeMakeFedora.org [LWN.net]
19:26 schestowitz-TR; immibis_: haha,
19:26 schestowitz-TR; like THAT'S the REAL issue there
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19:33 bnchs; they don't accept cash?
19:33 DaemonFC; rather than downloading the movies directly
19:33 DaemonFC; Netflix is useful. It's a source of new AV1/Opus rips.
19:33 bnchs; yes of course
19:33 DaemonFC; Once people rip that particular thing, Netflix can't control it anymore.
19:33 bnchs; because people actually managed to crack the widevine DRM
19:33 DaemonFC; Then there's no incentive to give them any money.
19:33 DaemonFC; Nope, it's not Widevine.
19:34 bnchs; well what DRM is it
19:34 DaemonFC; Netflix only streams in 720p in Widevine.
19:34 DaemonFC; People crack Microsoft "PlayReady" to get the 1080p and 2160p rips.
19:34 SomeH4x0r; Isn't it Widevine L1, L2 and L3?
19:34 DaemonFC; So you actually do have to use Edge on Windows to do that.
19:34 bnchs; "microsoft drm"
19:34 DaemonFC; Isn't it Widevine L1, L2 and L3?
19:34 bnchs; geez what could go wrong
19:35 DaemonFC; They have different levels of Widevine, but Netflix and Amazon both constrain the video to 720p if Widevine is the CDM.
19:35 DaemonFC; Because they know there's a million ways to crack it.
19:35 bnchs; DaemonFC, i think DRMs that use hardware can be cracked
19:35 DaemonFC; I don't know what Hulu does.
19:35 bnchs; you could make a hardware emulator
19:35 DaemonFC; All DRM can be cracked.
19:35 bnchs; you could make a TPM emulator that intercepts calls
19:35 DaemonFC; People like mjg59_ work hard to try to stop it, or at least with code other people hand them perhaps.
19:36 SomeH4x0r; or just find the weakest hardware unit supported
19:36 schestowitz-TR; "BUT DIS NOT LEGAL !!"
19:36 SomeH4x0r; but yes, emulator is better
19:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz implied that he's not nearly as smart as he wants people to think he is and may just be getting paid to be a front for code handed to him by other actors.
19:36 DaemonFC; To make it seem legit.
19:36 bnchs; with microsoft pluton its not gonna be really easy
19:36 bnchs; unless you manage to reverse engineer pluton
19:36 bnchs; and emulate it
19:36 immibis_; bnchs: the problem is reverse-engineering the hardware enough to extract the private key (not to mention the algorithm). If implemented right, it can't be done without dissolving away the chip with acid.
19:36 *immibis_ is now known as immibis
19:36 schestowitz-TR; pluton seems to be dying already
19:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_ was pitching Pluton the other day.
19:37 immibis; and using an electron microscope.
19:37 schestowitz-TR; AMD pulled out of it this month
19:37 schestowitz-TR; iirc
19:37 DaemonFC; It seems AMD locks it to OFF right now and he was trying to get the fucking thing to turn ON.
19:37 XRevan86; coub.com is done for
19:37 DaemonFC; For some ungodly reason.
19:37 immibis; and then reverse-engineering a hundred billion transistors to find which 256 of them encode the private key
19:37 bnchs; yes
19:37 DaemonFC; You go to install an "update" for your "BIOS" later. It flips "Pluton" on without asking.
19:38 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Well roy does tend to keep saying untrue things about me
19:38 bnchs; or just don't use the hardware
19:38 DaemonFC; You can't backflash because reasons.
19:38 DaemonFC; And then you have another nasty thing that locks you out of the computer.
19:38 mjg59_; But no, I do not do any work that enables DRM
19:38 bnchs; you can implement a TPM emulator or some emulator in the kernel
19:38 immibis; A better way might be to film your TV screen.
19:38 immibis; you know, the HDCP protection only goes up to the main circuit board on your TV. It doesn't extend from the HDCP decoder chip to the actual pixels
19:38 mjg59_; I have refused to take jobs that would involve me implementing or managing DRM
19:38 DaemonFC; I dealt with "Secure" boot by turning it off completely.
19:38 bnchs; immibis, that already exists
19:38 TR News; "My post "Why I Will Not Contribute To StackOverflow Again" has a shorter URL to the reply I want you to upvote." gopher://gopher.club:70/1/users/ayaron/
19:39 DaemonFC; It doesn't solve any actual problems that pertain to me.
19:39 bnchs; it's called CAMRIP
19:39 immibis; bnchs: oh yes, you can absolutely implement a TPM... TPMs will soon come with private keys signed by Intel and Windows won't run unless you have one of those
19:39 bnchs; and it's mostly low quality camera recording
19:39 mjg59_; Cool? If your threat model doesn't involve people attacking your boot chain, it doesn't buy you anything
19:39 DaemonFC; And I install the OS and application security updates from Debian and Flathub immediately.
19:39 DaemonFC; Without delay.
19:39 bnchs; immibis, wow
19:39 DaemonFC; Some people let security updates pile up, and I mean, if they want to, that's their problem.
19:39 TR News; "I've been gradually tweaking my PineDA (Pinephone PDA) and molding it into my ideal personal computing interface. Well as close to ideal as I can get with my limited skills." gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-03-15-convergence.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-03-15-convergence.gmi
19:39 DaemonFC; If it causes them harm, they can blame themselves.
19:40 immibis; (btw I don't know if that is actual technology. It would be easy to implement and I expect it to be implemented especially if people start hooking up fake TPMs)
19:40 DaemonFC; But none of this should be going on in firmware.
19:40 DaemonFC; Firmware is already super shitty without this nonsense in it.
19:40 MinceR; if your threat model is all about people compromising your windows installation or replacing it with a real OS, it is impossible for your data to be secure
19:40 TR News; Yesterday I noticed by accident while googling something for work the word "Gemini" which caught my attention so I decided to enter and see what it is, after a few moments I really liked this idea of a new way of browsing and creating web pages which are based only on text files" gemini://grizzly.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-15-Welcome-Gemini.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://grizzly.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-15-Welcome-Gemini.gmi
19:40 mjg59_; immibis: It's already easy to verify that a TPM is real, but it's also easy to lie to the TPM about the system state
19:40 DaemonFC; Firmware is so super shitty that if you can get it to boot your OS at all, LEAVE IT ALONE.
19:40 bnchs; can you dump a TPM
19:41 mjg59_; immibis: So if you want to fake any of this stuff, just buy a second TPM, lie to it, and have it attest
19:41 mjg59_; Define "dump"
19:41 DaemonFC; Lenovo or someone will come in and brick things that worked before.
19:41 immibis; mjg59_: that's why you have the chain of trust. Each stage attests the next stage so that by the time you get to a malicious stage, the TPM already knows something is different
19:41 DaemonFC; And if they don't, Intel and Microsoft will.
19:41 bnchs; mjg59_, dump the data stored in it
19:41 bnchs; private keys
19:41 bnchs; etc
19:41 MinceR; ooh, remote attestation
19:41 mjg59_; immibis: If you have a second TPM then you can establish your own root of trust
19:41 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Thanks to this fucking uEFI crap, I have my firmware complaining "NO INTERNET CONNECTION AT BOOT".
19:42 TR News; 2240 capsules now. It was 2200 only a few days ago gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
19:42 MinceR; got to have daddy gAIDS decide what you're allowed to run on your property, and prove it to him!
19:42 mjg59_; bnchs: No
19:42 DaemonFC; Why in the fuck would system firmware NEED that?
19:42 activelow; BIOS/UEFI is the "real" OS itself with direct access to hardware; any other is merely a supervised and jailed guest system
19:42 bnchs; DaemonFC, lol modern computers really be like that
19:42 DaemonFC; Why do I want it reaching out, independent of the OS, and accessing the Internet?
19:42 DaemonFC; How does that SECURE my laptop?
19:42 bnchs; i'm pretty sure a computer from 2010s won't complain about internet connection
19:42 mjg59_; activelow: No, UEFI provides no meaningful runtime interface and the OS retains full access to the hardware
19:42 immibis; mjg59_: assuming it's not integrated with your processor
19:42 MinceR; apparently they've redefined what "secure" means
19:43 immibis; DaemonFC: it secures it from yourself. Remember, it's not your laptop, it's Microsoft's.
19:43 DaemonFC; BIOS systems (Legacy BIOS) were so much more pleasant.
19:43 immibis; Microsoft's laptop is secure from you.
19:43 MinceR; to them, it means that your laptop has the standard set of vulnerabilities passed from on high by your would-be owners at MICROS~1.
19:43 MinceR; oh, and backdoors
19:43 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, they're all getting so old that even most GNU/Linux distros barely run on them anymore.
19:43 bnchs; the only thing i liked about UEFI
19:43 DaemonFC; The last ones that went out were like early 2009 I think.
19:43 bnchs; was about the ability to boot many EFI files
19:43 bnchs; other than that it's shit
19:43 DaemonFC; I bought one of the last anticipating uEFI would be a big shitheap.
19:43 SomeH4x0r; what is getting old?
19:43 activelow; mjg59_: just because firmware doesn't expose various interfaces doesn't mean those didn't exist
19:43 DaemonFC; And it's an even bigger shitheap than I thought it would be.
19:44 DaemonFC; And mjg59_ seems to think it's great.
19:44 DaemonFC; He's in the minority. People who actually have to use systems with it don't like it.
19:44 MinceR; well, it's "modern" and it's pushed by MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat, so it's got to be great.
19:44 immibis; someone will probably write a BIOS to UEFI adapter
19:44 immibis; BIOS is full of outdated legacy crap technology
19:44 MinceR; i'll take "outdated legacy crap" over a "modern" tumor that's designed to lock me into Backdoors any time.
19:45 mjg59_; DaemonFC: ? I am on record as calling UEFI terrible
19:45 TR News; Windows monopoly on gaming (on desktops/laptops, not mobile) will rot away fast https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announces-steam-for-chromeos-chromebooks-in-alpha
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announces-steam-for-chromeos-chromebooks-in-alpha
19:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announces-steam-for-chromeos-chromebooks-in-alpha
19:45 TR Bot; announces Steam for ChromeOS Chromebooks in 'Alpha' | GamingOnLinux
19:45 bnchs; immibis, you mean something that already exists?
19:45 mjg59_; It solves some problems that BIOS had, but it's not good
19:45 DaemonFC; The BIOS did one thing. It loaded the bootloader, then it was just sort of dangling there, unused (by anything modern).
19:45 DaemonFC; So unless you loaded DOS there wasn't much more to it at that.
19:45 DaemonFC; It got the computer running and that's all that matters.
19:45 TR News; Microsoft must be scratching is head now. It cannot buy ALL gaming studios. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-talk-about-their-windows-emulator-for-stadia-and-they-use-dxvk-already
19:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-talk-about-their-windows-emulator-for-stadia-and-they-use-dxvk-already
19:45 TR Bot; talk about their 'Windows emulator' for Stadia and they use DXVK already | GamingOnLinux
19:45 MinceR; yeah, BIOS had the "problem" where the owner of the computer could replace the OS
19:45 DaemonFC; So if they're going to make things worse than the BIOS, they should have stopped right there.
19:45 mjg59_; DaemonFC: The bootloader also used BIOS interfaces
19:46 MinceR; imagine that, getting to use your own property the way you want!
19:46 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: The bootloader also used BIOS interfaces
19:46 TR News; Native GNU/Linux port https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/hyperbolica-is-a-new-non-euclidean-adventure-out-now
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/hyperbolica-is-a-new-non-euclidean-adventure-out-now
19:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/hyperbolica-is-a-new-non-euclidean-adventure-out-now
19:46 TR Bot; is a new Non-Euclidean adventure out now | GamingOnLinux
19:46 DaemonFC; Which was a solved problem.
19:46 bnchs; Google talk about their 'Windows emulator'
19:46 DaemonFC; The code for that was already written and debugged.
19:46 bnchs; wine is not an emulator
19:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Yeah, but the interfaces also didn't allow for >2TB disks
19:47 DaemonFC; They didn't need to.
19:47 DaemonFC; I had a 4 TB disk with the Legacy BIOS.
19:47 TR News; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 2 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-2 godotengine needs to get off Microsoft Github
=> ↺ https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-2
19:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-2
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19:47 MinceR; i had a windows emulator
19:47 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 2
19:47 DaemonFC; The BIOS Boot specification meant that that limitation was more or less irrelevant.
19:47 MinceR; it consisted of the CLI and HLT instructions in the boot sector
19:47 DaemonFC; GRUB knows what GPT partitioning is, even on a BIOS system.
19:47 activelow; and legacy BIOS implemented various device drivers for usb, pata/sata, vga, serial i/o (recalling coreboot, u-boot), which are duplicated by the operating system; and "BIOS"/UEFI offer a shell
19:47 mjg59_; DaemonFC: It was fine as long as you could ensure that your kernel was in the <2TB region
19:47 DaemonFC; So only one "partition" had to make any sense to the BIOS.
19:48 DaemonFC; The one that GRUB was on.
19:48 DaemonFC; And it only neeeds to be about 1 MB.
19:48 TR News; The Linux Foundation wont follow its own advice or eat its own dogfood; what message does this repeatedly-condemned practice send to people out there? That Open Source isnt good enough even for the so-called Linux Foundation? http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
19:48 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
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19:48 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Actually, no.
19:48 MinceR; GRUB has a fatal flaw, though -- it isn't a MICROS~1 product.
19:48 XRevan86; DaemonFC: BIOS doesn't have to know about any partitions.
19:48 MinceR; asatya nadella doesn't want you to run GRUB.
19:48 activelow; meaning, if such a shell was accessible (serial line) the entire system is compromised, even without access to the operating system; that's why i am wondering about the many other surveillance stuff
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19:49 XRevan86; It will load the first 446 bytes on the drive, and then they will find their way to the BIOS Boot Partition.
19:49 immibis; DaemonFC: but it was a complete mess internally because different parts of the system couldn't access the entire disk. The concept of BIOS is okay, but the implementation is full of legacy crap everyone hates
19:49 DaemonFC; The whole point of systemd-boot is to encourage GPL violations.
19:49 TR News; The EPOs handling of the Russian invasion can be summed up in one word: opportunism http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/
19:49 DaemonFC; And I think mjg59_ is one of the promoters of that if I'm not mistaken.
19:49 TR Bot; When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights
19:49 TR News; Europes second-largest institution and Europes largest patent office is in a very bad state; but it has managed to sabotage the media, so you probably wont hear about it anywhere http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/
19:49 TR Bot; The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights
19:50 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I'm not a fan of systemd-boot in the general case?
19:50 TR News; Just like EPO management, which works for Team UPC (the patent litigation lobby), Putins Russia recognises that nobody can stand in its way, so it might as well do whatever the Hell it wishes, irrespective of laws and constitutions, then spread a bunch of fake news http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
19:50 TR Bot; [Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights
19:50 mjg59_; It solves a very narrow set of problems
19:50 XRevan86; Who cares about how much space of a stub partition ("protective MBR") a BIOS sees?
19:50 DaemonFC; If you can just get all of the GPLv3 code out of the way, then it makes life easier on the parasites.
19:50 DaemonFC; And that's why Apple did the GPL purge.
19:50 MinceR; it solves one problem: that of systemd not having a bootloader built into it
19:51 DaemonFC; Nobody behind systemd has shown that they can actually manage to do anything without it leaking GB of memory, opening up insane security holes, and corrupting data.
19:51 MinceR; or to do it properly
19:52 bnchs; now i wanna know this mental gym that poettering has
19:52 bnchs; why should a init system
19:52 bnchs; have a bootloader
19:52 DaemonFC; Rat Crap "Alleged" Enterprise Linux - Thanks to systemd you can have your alleged Enterprise Linux distro there leaking out 4 GB of RAM after running for three weeks.
19:52 immibis; systemd as an init system is quite reasonable. The rest of the crap behind it is not
19:52 MinceR; because it's not an init system
19:52 MinceR; it's an operating system
19:52 MinceR; it's a tumor that has no scope and no purpose other than growing and taking over everything
19:52 immibis; perhaps systemd is trying to be to your operating system what your motherboard is to your computer
19:53 bnchs; like poettering
19:53 immibis; which is to say: your motherboard is your computer, even though nobody thinks of it that way
19:53 immibis; the rest of the components are just add-on modules to your computer
19:53 DaemonFC; uEFI could have started over and done things right.
19:53 MinceR; it would have to be designed by engineers for that
19:53 DaemonFC; Instead it copypasted all of the dumbest shit over, verbatim, and then kept going.
19:53 DaemonFC; There's even legacy ACPI stuff in there from 20 years ago.
19:54 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Like I said, I am never going to claim UEFI is good
19:54 DaemonFC; So there's code for motherboards that uEFI can't run on.
19:54 MinceR; it was designed by sociopaths who thought they didn't have sufficiently complete control over the IT industry yet
19:54 bnchs; poettering should be locked away with a copy of the UNIX philosopy on paper
19:54 bnchs; for a year
19:54 DaemonFC; it was designed by sociopaths who thought they didn't have sufficiently complete control over the IT industry yet
19:55 SomeH4x0r; bnchs: he will rewrite it
19:55 DaemonFC; Since the first release of systemd it has caused system hangs on shutdown that nobody behind it seems to care about fixing.
19:55 MinceR; he won't understand it
19:55 DaemonFC; It still does it on every syste, it runs on.
19:55 SomeH4x0r; make it evil
19:55 SomeH4x0r; and then brainwash everyone once released
19:55 DaemonFC; Services that are obviously frozen.
19:55 bnchs; yes
19:56 DaemonFC; The default is to wait minutes for them to shut down when they're obviously not going to.
19:56 bnchs; my program froze the entire system
19:56 bnchs; and it's not even running as root
19:56 MinceR; i think it's closer to wait forever
19:56 MinceR; i'm pretty sure i waited a pretty long time the first time i saw it do that
19:56 DaemonFC; systemd is because Poettering didn't think his laptop shut down enough like Windows Me did.
19:57 MinceR; :>
19:57 MinceR; the famous multiseat laptop
19:57 DaemonFC; You know why the multiseat thing is bullshit?
19:57 bnchs; whenever i shutdown my laptop
19:57 bnchs; it always ends with 5 seconds of systemd errors
19:57 bnchs; i hate it
19:57 DaemonFC; The public library in Marion had a multiseat GNU/Linux configuration on their public internet terminals.
19:57 MinceR; because deadrat started promoting it when nobody was doing it anymore
19:58 DaemonFC; In 2007.
19:58 MinceR; people used to do it well before cancerd
19:58 MinceR; and then computers got a lot cheaper
19:58 DaemonFC; It was based on Fedora and called Userful Discoverstation.
19:58 MinceR; but it was a fine excuse to break the way sessions work, apparently
19:58 MinceR; and to force polkit on people
19:59 immibis; and I'm sure the lessons from that system were carried forward to all future multiseat systems
19:59 bnchs; polkit uses javascript
19:59 bnchs; it has a hard dependency on mozilla JS engine
19:59 MinceR; running javascript as root, what could possibly go wrong?
20:00 bnchs; everything
20:00 mjg59_; Not really?
20:00 bnchs; because when javascript was first designed, it was designed for websites
20:00 mjg59_; Javascript engines are some of the best tested code for invalid input, given what they're used for
20:00 bnchs; not a program that gives out root
20:00 TR News; 156439 | Gemini address: 156439
20:00 MinceR; in a daemon written by proprietarydesktop people, the mozilla js engine is probably one's least concern
20:01 TR News; Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
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20:01 TR Bot; Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights
20:01 bnchs; function root_callback() { if ({} == "[object Object]") return true; }
20:02 MinceR; NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!
20:02 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Javascript engines are some of the best tested code for invalid input, given what they're used for
20:02 DaemonFC; And they're still the source of 95% of the attack surface on a web browser.
20:03 bnchs; DaemonFC, turn that "web browser" into a system-critical program
20:03 bnchs; running as root
20:03 MinceR; systemd-webbrowserd?
20:03 bnchs; yes
20:04 DaemonFC; systemd-webbrowserd?
20:04 DaemonFC; The Microsoft media hasn't managed to turn bugs in Firefox into "Linux holes" yet.
20:04 DaemonFC; AFAIK
20:04 MinceR; :>
20:08 bnchs; systemd philo: everything must run as root
20:08 TR News; 73,160 new COVID-19 cases in the UK this past Saturday, I believe highest since January. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
20:08 bnchs; everything must be apart of systemd and run as root
20:08 TR Bot; Blog Archive 20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End
20:10 TR News; COVID-19 will be around and be a nuisance (death threat and show stopper) for AT LEAST 2 more years. Don't make false assumptions or plans based on unbridled optimism. Of course other issues exist, but they don't detract -- only distract -- from coronavirus. Our regimes failed us.
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20:11 activelow; replaced the entire sysvinit/openrc with /bin/sh as pid1; while true ; respawn_getty ; sleep 1 ; done
20:11 DaemonFC; MinceR, I like to think that the movie Con-Air takes place in the Stargate universe.
20:11 MinceR; lol
20:11 schestowitz-TR; systemd-systemd-systemd
20:11 MinceR; systemd-kerneld
20:11 activelow; at first, i was thinking openrc/sysvinit were a suitable alternative to systemd; until realizing none of this is required
20:11 DaemonFC; Don S. Davis appears in a short scene driving a large luxury sedan complaining that a bird just shit on it.
20:11 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: next thing you know, they've made a bootloader, too ;-)
20:11 DaemonFC; "It never fails. You take it to the car wash and then a bird doo doos right on top of it."
20:11 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: you mean, they've assimilated a bootloader
20:11 DaemonFC; And then the dead body they tossed from the plane lands on his hood.
20:12 DaemonFC; (General Hammond)
20:12 MinceR; gummiboot was not a part of systemd
20:12 MinceR; neither was udev
20:12 schestowitz-TR; next up: cheap/chip design
20:12 MinceR; and neither was Linux
20:12 schestowitz-TR; systemd-POWER
20:12 schestowitz-TR; it comes in many colours
20:12 schestowitz-TR; even in white
20:12 MinceR; DaemonFC: lol
20:13 TR News; Games: ChromeOS, Hyperbolica, and Godot Engine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162583
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162583
20:13 TR Bot; Games: ChromeOS, Hyperbolica, and Godot Engine | Tux Machines
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20:14 activelow; udev removed too, not necessary, although device node permissions are slightly cumbersome to chmod/chown as desired
20:15 activelow; needless to say, wiped all UEFI support form kernel and u-boot loader too, what would this be good for?
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20:16 TR News; Taking security advice from the NSA? Well, if they want us to use Kubernetes, then maybe Kubernetes does not exactly enhance security (or worse yet -- it undermines it) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/updated-kubernetes-hardening-guide see http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
=> ↺ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/updated-kubernetes-hardening-guide
=> http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
20:16 TR Bot; Updated: Kubernetes Hardening Guide | CISA
20:16 TR Bot; Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us | Techrights
20:16 activelow; instead of secure-boot, i'll rely on custom compression of root.squashfs, which isn't enterprise scale of IBM Wintel mindset
20:16 TR News; Canonical selling complexity for "clown" era https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-are-linux-containers
=> ↺ https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-are-linux-containers
20:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-are-linux-containers
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-are-linux-containers
20:17 TR Bot; are Linux containers? | Ubuntu
20:17 TR News; CloudReady 96.4.6 https://www.neverware.com/
=> ↺ https://www.neverware.com/
20:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: neverware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.neverware.com/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.neverware.com/
20:17 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Neverware
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20:18 activelow; anyway, with GCC (any later than v4.7) and Linux (any later than v5.10LTS) arrived where i won't follow along anymore;
20:18 mjg59_; bnchs: How does an attacker get arbitrary javascript into polkit?
20:19 mjg59_; You need untrusted input for there it to be a realistic attack vector
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20:20 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Zorin OS 16.1 core and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9tiSRbhbQq4
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9tiSRbhbQq4
20:21 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16.1 Core overview | Make your computer better. - Invidious
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20:21 activelow; Eurofighter (equipped with MC68000 which Verilog and similar are available for) was put into operation 2006, few years later Intel plans to build some factory in east-germany and F-35 acquisition is announced
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20:21 activelow; Airbus chose SPARC Leon, too available as softcore for FPGA deployment
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20:21 TR News; 10 Things You Can Do on Linux but Not on Windows Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162584
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162584
20:21 TR Bot; 10 Things You Can Do on Linux but Not on Windows | Tux Machines
20:22 TR News; 10 Must Have GNOME Shell Extensions for Customizing Your Linux Desktop in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162585
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162585
20:22 TR Bot; 10 Must Have GNOME Shell Extensions for Customizing Your Linux Desktop in 2022 | Tux Machines
20:22 activelow; however i think none of this is fully compliant with free/opensource... digging deeper... Z80/Gigatron/MyCPU.eu ... this is it nowadays, as far as freedom is concerned, some late 1970s early 1980s designs
20:23 activelow; the z80 clone manufacturing in east-germany is defunct since 1990, sadly
20:23 activelow; some manufacturing is remaing in White-Russia, including TTL 7400 series type chips
20:24 activelow; and anything else isn't of particular interest anymore, concernign freedom made in Pentagon/RAND corp. USA
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20:28 TR News; 9 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162586
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162586
20:28 TR Bot; 9 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Tux Machines
20:30 DaemonFC; MinceR, The Star Trek: TNG episode "Data's Day", got remastered and revealed something pretty gross.
20:30 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights
20:30 DaemonFC; After Data replicated some cat food for Spot and set it on the floor, there's a bug crawling around in the cat food.
20:31 DaemonFC; Not visible in the DVD or VHS versions.
20:32 TR News; #HowTo Use SongRec: The Best Shazam Client for Identifying Songs on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162587
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162587
20:32 TR Bot; How to Use SongRec: The Best Shazam Client for Identifying Songs on Linux | Tux Machines
20:35 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162588
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162588
20:35 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:37 TR News; This spinning disk produces animations using a single LED | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/this-spinning-disk-produces-animations-using-a-single-led/
=> ↺ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/this-spinning-disk-produces-animations-using-a-single-led/
20:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/this-spinning-disk-produces-animations-using-a-single-led/
20:37 TR Bot; This spinning disk produces animations using a single LED | Arduino Blog
20:37 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-28-memes-12.jpg
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20:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-28-memes-12.jpg
20:37 TR News; Arduino device uses tinyML to help wearers recover from shoulder injury | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/arduino-device-uses-tinyml-to-help-wearers-recover-from-shoulder-injury/
20:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/arduino-device-uses-tinyml-to-help-wearers-recover-from-shoulder-injury/
20:37 TR Bot; Arduino device uses tinyML to help wearers recover from shoulder injury | Arduino Blog
20:38 TR News; "I'm super excited: I received print proof prototypes for Pepper&Carrot book 4. In English from DriveThrucomics and in French from Glnat, the two almost in sync. They both looks perfect! They'll be available at the same time next week, I'm working on the release." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article900/book-4-print-proof-prototypes
=> ↺ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article900/book-4-print-proof-prototypes
20:38 TR Bot; Book 4 print-proof prototypes - David Revoy
20:40 TR News; "On February 8, Robert Sirchia and I taught a Master Class for the SUSE and Rancher Community that explained how to use K3s with Traefik Proxy." OMG! He said "master"!!! https://www.suse.com/c/new-on-demand-class-secure-the-edge-with-k3s-and-traefik-proxy/
=> ↺ https://www.suse.com/c/new-on-demand-class-secure-the-edge-with-k3s-and-traefik-proxy/
20:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/new-on-demand-class-secure-the-edge-with-k3s-and-traefik-proxy/
20:40 TR Bot; on-demand class: Secure the Edge with K3s and Traefik Proxy | SUSE Communities
20:41 immibis; mjg59_: isn't polkit something whose entire reason for existing is to communicate with untrusted processes?
20:41 TR News; "In my previous blog, I mentioned the initialization of the Left / Right click activity inside GCompris and its basic layout." https://samarthrajwrites.wordpress.com/2022/03/15/sok22-week-8-random-and-uniform-placement-of-the-animal-cards/
20:41 TR Bot; SoK22 Week 8: Random and Uniform Placement of the Animal Cards Samarth raj
20:42 immibis; activelow: having a list of running background services is pretty useful. also the separate log for each one is pretty useful. systemd does that, init does not. Someone could write this in a way that isn't systemd though
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20:42 TR News; Raspberry Pi CM4 powered gateway with dual M.2 B-key slots starts at $333 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162589
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162589
20:43 mjg59_; immibis: Yes, through a defined interface. The javascript is behind that interface.
20:43 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi CM4 powered gateway with dual M.2 B-key slots starts at $333 | Tux Machines
20:43 immibis; so it sends untrusted input to javascript
20:43 mjg59_; immibis: Websites get to just give you whatever javascript they want you to execute - there's no way for a polkit client to pass arbitrary javascript to the privileged daemon
20:44 mjg59_; I'd rather pass untrusted input to javascript than pass untrusted input to C
20:44 DaemonFC; This is why web browsers suck.
20:44 DaemonFC; It's something bad every month. It's all reactionary.
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20:44 MinceR; i'm sure the extremely eager type conversion isn't going to cause any problems with that
20:45 activelow; immibis: ps ax, top/htop, and metalog; did i miss anything?
20:46 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162590
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162590
20:46 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:46 mjg59_; If you look at Polkit's CVE history, it's pretty clear that javascript is not a terribly pressing security concern
20:47 MinceR; like i said, the rest is probably even worse
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20:48 mjg59_; Turns out we probably shouldn't write security-critical code in C!
20:48 MinceR; turns out we shouldn't run security-critical code from ibm/deadrat or proprietarydesktop
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20:49 mjg59_; I'd be fascinated to see evidence that it's worse than any other average piece of security-critical code
20:50 MinceR; they should put that on the box, it's a glowing recommendation
20:53 TR News; Containers and Kubernetes: Canonical. NSA, and SUSE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162591
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162591
20:53 TR Bot; Containers and Kubernetes: Canonical. NSA, and SUSE | Tux Machines
20:54 schestowitz-TR; companies need to invest more in tsting
20:54 schestowitz-TR; but managers only care about money
20:54 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
20:54 schestowitz-TR; they cannot 'grasp' "the real world"
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20:54 schestowitz-TR; the zero-days are not "in this current quarter"
20:55 schestowitz-TR; it compiles? SHIP!!!
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20:57 TR News; The OSI has quit pretending that it has a mind of its own; check the names of blog authors (yes, its Microsoft and GitHub is proprietary software) http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
20:57 TR Bot; Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights
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20:59 immibis; activelow: automation?
20:59 *activelow shrugs
21:00 activelow; there's an rc.init script, and this automates pretty much all that's necessary during boot
21:01 activelow; with the difference, i wiped dozens of millions of lines of code and don't miss anything yet
21:01 schestowitz; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202203
=> ↺ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203
=> ↺ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202203
21:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: statcounter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203
21:01 TR Bot; Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
21:01 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
21:01 schestowitz; windows down again this month
21:02 SomeH4x0r; disabled Windows Defender on Windows 10 through group policy, it says like its own registry key is malware
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21:10 psydroid2; they started pushing Vista 11 and then people didn't like it and started moving away from it?
21:10 bnchs; windows is down
21:10 bnchs; because microsoft keeps doing stupid shit
21:11 bnchs; they started pushing Vista 11 and then people didn't like it and started moving away from it?
21:11 schestowitz-TR; exactly
21:11 bnchs; nobody would like ads in their file manager
21:11 schestowitz-TR; and they wasted billions of "marketing"
21:11 schestowitz-TR; (lies)
21:11 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/
21:12 TR Bot; Proof That Windows 11 is a Hoax | Techrights
21:12 bnchs; it seems like GNU/Linux is rising a bit
21:12 schestowitz-TR; doesn't matter
21:12 bnchs; and mac is rising alot
21:12 schestowitz-TR; Android is also "Linux"
21:12 schestowitz-TR; technically
21:12 schestowitz-TR; but not freedom
21:12 schestowitz-TR; chromeOS is not freedom either
21:13 schestowitz; This is what "Linux" channels promote this evening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
21:13 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
21:13 TR Bot; yewtu.be | How to install Minecraft on Zorin OS 16 - Invidious
21:13 schestowitz; maybe they think this is "OK"
21:13 bnchs; minecraft [java edition]
21:13 bnchs; thats good
21:13 schestowitz; Planet Fedora moments ago https://fedorafans.com/%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9/
21:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fedorafans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9/
21:13 TR Bot; |
21:13 schestowitz; not even on topic
21:13 bnchs; as long as it's not bedrock (aka microsoft's own version) edition
21:13 schestowitz; not english either
21:13 schestowitz; fedora is on fire
21:14 bnchs; schestowitz, fedora got hacked by ISIS
21:14 schestowitz; bnchs: it's not free software, minetest would be better
21:14 bnchs; yes minetest would be better
21:14 bnchs; minetest > minecraft java edition > minecraft bedrock edition
21:14 schestowitz; no, fedora seems to be US Imperislism http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
21:14 TR Bot; Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
21:14 immibis; activelow: see, rc.init doesn't automatically restart something that crashes, unless it keeps crashing
21:14 schestowitz; and ICBM is ruining Red Hat
21:15 schestowitz; ISBM already killed centos
21:15 schestowitz; the board of CentOS fled
21:15 schestowitz; and they put some token placeholder to pretend there's still such a distro
21:15 bnchs; schestowitz, that blog post you made
21:15 bnchs; it was published by hos7ein
21:16 bnchs; https://fedorafans.com/author/dhtmagmag/
=> ↺ https://fedorafans.com/author/dhtmagmag/
21:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fedorafans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/author/dhtmagmag/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/author/dhtmagmag/
21:16 TR Bot; hos7ein |
21:16 bnchs; who's also known for this
21:16 bnchs; https://fedorafans.com/%db%8c%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a7-%d9%85%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%b1%da%a9-4/
=> ↺ https://fedorafans.com/%db%8c%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a7-%d9%85%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%b1%da%a9-4/
21:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fedorafans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/%db%8c%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a7-%d9%85%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%b1%da%a9-4/
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21:18 MinceR; https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adg1j7V_700bwp.webp
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21:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: 9cache.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adg1j7V_700bwp.webp
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adg1j7V_700bwp.webp
21:18 TR News; Gulag is evil. We all need to leave Gulag behind. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hatuAtICv_U
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hatuAtICv_U
21:19 TR Bot; YouTube Vanced Is Dead And Google Killed It - Invidious
21:19 bnchs; the joke is
21:20 bnchs; youtube vanced is a modification of gulag's proprietary gulagtube client
21:20 bnchs; they would have already gotten sued
21:20 bnchs; it was just delayed
21:20 TR News; Like ICBM with Fedora "badges", Gulag gives fake "badges" instead of real money to the tenants of the Gulag, who do ALL the ACTUAL worj https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9cKs52pdIG8
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9cKs52pdIG8
21:20 TR Bot; Unboxing Silver Play Button And The Journey To Get Here - Invidious
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21:28 activelow; immibis: true. although i do not miss this feature yet; and process supervision isn't too difficult, if desired.
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21:28 TR News; What Is the Yggdrasil Network and #HowTo Install It Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162592
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162592
21:28 TR Bot; What Is the Yggdrasil Network and How to Install It | Tux Machines
21:31 TR News; Microsoft friendly media finding new excuses to recycle last week's panic http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33071 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33071
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
21:31 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:31 TR Bot; This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights
21:32 TR News; SJVN nowadays PARTICIPATES in the FUD attacks on "LINUX". Well, look who pays his salary...
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21:33 TR News; SJVN actually USED to promote GNU/Linux, but when funded by Microsoft ICBM his agenda is altered to secure a salary
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21:35 TR News; Maybe we should spent the next 10 years, every day, naming one of 3,650 devices that run Linux and are affected by LOCAL priv escalation bug, which was already resolved before it was announced http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
21:35 TR News; Ballmer would have thrown a chair https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-For-Chrome-OS
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-For-Chrome-OS
21:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-For-Chrome-OS
21:35 TR Bot; Finally Announces Steam For Chrome OS - Phoronix
21:37 AdmFubar; https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/stephen-hawking-death-anniversary-here-are-some-of-his-groundbreaking-theories-10451361.html
21:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: firstpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/stephen-hawking-death-anniversary-here-are-some-of-his-groundbreaking-theories-10451361.html
21:37 TR Bot; Hawking death anniversary: Here are some of his groundbreaking theories- Technology News, Firstpost
21:38 TR News; A real problem... while corrupt media is busy scratching its behind over some LOCAL priv escalation bug that was fixed more than a week ago https://lwn.net/Articles/887970/
=> ↺ https://lwn.net/Articles/887970/
21:38 TR Bot; remotely exploitable OpenSSL/LibreSSL vulnerability [LWN.net]
21:38 immibis; activelow: you have to reimplement it for every process
21:38 TR News; The real security problem is Microsoft; watch this list https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/cisa-adds-15-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog
21:38 TR Bot; CISA Adds 15 Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA
21:38 immibis; LWN is the real news for nerds, stuff that matters
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21:38 immibis; well, a DoS, that's significantly less bad than heartbleed
21:39 immibis; you can crash almost any server running openssl so that's fun
21:39 immibis; internet goes down for a day until everyone updates
21:39 immibis; NSA could intercept all our traffic and crash all our clients
21:40 TR News; Russia loves Microsoft Windows because it puts plenty of holes in its targets https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/russian-state-sponsored-cyber-actors-access-network-misconfigured http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
=> ↺ https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/russian-state-sponsored-cyber-actors-access-network-misconfigured
=> http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
21:40 TR Bot; Russian State-Sponsored Cyber Actors Access Network Misconfigured with Default MFA Protocols | CISA
21:40 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
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21:40 activelow; immibis: no, not necessary; and with systemd or any other init system crash/restart behaviour needs to be administered too, no difference in this regard
21:41 TR News; Did ICBM pay him to say this? This vlogger takes tons of bribes, even got banned for it already. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=D9h_0dnSGWk
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=D9h_0dnSGWk
21:41 TR Bot; Fedora is the new Ubuntu - Fedora Long Term Review - Invidious
21:42 TR News; You cannot trust anybody on 'You'Tube http://techrights.org/2022/03/12/on-influencers/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/12/on-influencers/
21:42 TR Bot; Circle of YouTube Influencers | Techrights
21:42 activelow; and if anything crashes, often this requires an administrator to see what and why it crashed
21:43 TR News; How much does 'Linux' Foundation pay this site for such puff pieces? https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/linux-foundation-launches-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/ promoting the diploma mills: http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
=> ↺ https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/linux-foundation-launches-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
21:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: sdtimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/linux-foundation-launches-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/
21:43 TR Bot; Linux Foundation launches cloud native developer bootcamp - SD Times
21:43 TR Bot; Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights
21:44 MinceR; does chrom{e,ium} os include systemd yet?
21:44 schestowitz-TR; chromeos does not bootm with systemd
21:44 schestowitz-TR; iirc, it uses upstart
21:44 MinceR; so they'll make steam work without systemd?
21:44 schestowitz-TR; or the older debian init system
21:44 MinceR; upstart is canonical, not deadian
21:44 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: maybe they has changed
21:44 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know
21:45 MinceR; weird
21:47 immibis; activelow: of course you want to restart sshd if it crashes
21:48 TR News; Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593
21:48 TR Bot; Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes | Tux Machines
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21:50 TR News; Videos: Vanced, Zorin OS, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162594
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162594
21:50 TR Bot; Videos: Vanced, Zorin OS, and More | Tux Machines
21:52 XRevan86; https://mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-ukraine-putin-war-russia-26459157
=> ↺ https://mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-ukraine-putin-war-russia-26459157
21:52 TR Bot; Ukraine Russia war LIVE: Kim Jong-un refuses 'insane' plea amid Putin's nuke threat - World News - Mirror Online
21:52 activelow; immibis: or press reset button; that's why, data-centers often use KVM and/or serial line terminal or similar anyway, if something networking related is down
21:54 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162595
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162595
21:54 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
21:55 TR News; Links 15/3/2022: Steam on ChromeOS and Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/
21:55 TR Bot; Links 15/3/2022: Steam on ChromeOS and Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Techrights
21:58 TR News; Anything to distract from absolutely appalling news about Microsoft holes and exploits, in media that's partly controlled by Microsoft https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-linux-botnet-exploits-log4j-uses-dns-tunneling-for-comms/
21:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-linux-botnet-exploits-log4j-uses-dns-tunneling-for-comms/
21:58 TR Bot; New Linux botnet exploits Log4J, uses DNS tunneling for comms
21:59 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: mirror is not reliable
21:59 schestowitz-TR; labour tabloid
21:59 schestowitz-TR; they likely exaqggerate things
21:59 schestowitz-TR; like some russian sites
21:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 14.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.54
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22:00 TR News; Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162596
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22:00 TR Bot; Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language | Tux Machines
22:01 TR News; A lot of the people in change of CentOS have left. ICBM nuked it. https://blog.centos.org/2022/03/centos-community-newsletter-march-2022/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=centos-community-newsletter-march-2022
22:01 TR Bot; Community Newsletter, March 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
22:01 TR News; Changing the subject? To distract from Microsoft back doors? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593#comment-33073
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593#comment-33073
22:01 TR Bot; Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes | Tux Machines
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22:03 TR News; Thugs from ICBM are trying very hard today to pose as an ethical company (several examples of this so far). Thugs. Mayne timed to coincide with an embarrassing decision showing that Red Hat attacks the community? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-academys-efforts-improve-representation-and-inclusivity-tech-industry
22:03 TR Bot; Bringing more voices to the table: Red Hat Academys efforts to improve representation and inclusivity in the tech industry
22:04 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: Are you really trying to argue that Pocock is representative of the community?
22:05 TR News; ICBM: let's deplatform techrights? http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/
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22:05 TR Bot; Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights
22:05 XRevan86; schestowitz: Dang, "Kim Jong-un has reportedly" <- they're no help.
22:06 TR News; ICBM has spent all its time since buying Red Hat basically nuking the very core of GNU/Linux, hoping that from remnants and pieces it can somehow scoop up a monopoly (which is what IBM once had) http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
22:06 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
22:06 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/XSovietNews/status/1503843021405802502
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/XSovietNews/status/1503843021405802502
22:06 TR Bot; X Soviet (@XSovietNews): "I made up a joke about North Korea calling Russia too insane and the Mirror reported it as fact. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-humiliates-vladimir-26474461" | nitter
=> ↺ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-humiliates-vladimir-26474461"
22:06 XRevan86; schestowitz: Good call.
22:06 schestowitz-TR; Kim REPORTEDLY eats babies
22:07 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: I said to rioanne
22:07 schestowitz-TR; on the day of the invasion
22:07 schestowitz-TR; don't read to me any billBC or others
22:07 schestowitz-TR; as it's all propaganda
22:07 schestowitz-TR; the russian and the western
22:07 schestowitz-TR; at times of war all the national broadcasters are worse than farc
22:07 schestowitz-TR; that has proved to be true
22:08 schestowitz-TR; meduza is still ok
22:08 XRevan86; schestowitz: I caught it as translation into Russian. I reported the issue to the news reposter.
22:08 schestowitz-TR; but not publishing in english lately, or barely
22:08 XRevan86; Most Russian speaking websites have Ctrl+Enter reporting, really nifty sometimes.
22:08 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: when "journalists" take "tweets" as facts
22:08 schestowitz-TR; and write for clicks
22:08 DaemonFC; Walmart raised Softsoap 50 ounce refills from $3.98 to $5. Well, there's something else.
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22:09 DaemonFC; But iBotta has a $1.25 rebate up to 5.
22:09 DaemonFC; Maybe I'll stock up. I use that in the shower.
22:09 schestowitz-TR; botta?
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22:10 schestowitz-TR; butta thought it was a bad name
22:10 schestowitz-TR; don't drop the soap
22:10 schestowitz-TR; people will see your botta
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22:13 TR News; PostgreSQL-Related Releases: pgAdmin, Anonymizer, pg_dumpbinary Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162597
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22:13 TR Bot; PostgreSQL-Related Releases: pgAdmin, Anonymizer, pg_dumpbinary | Tux Machines
22:14 TR News; Ubuntu GNU/Linux in there... https://www.joplinglobe.com/region/national_business/dt-research-delivers-the-most-comprehensive-line-of-healthcare-computing-solutions-purpose-built-for-diverse/article_e61dccf3-b91b-5373-b7fe-7362b04d839a.html
22:14 TR Bot; Research Delivers the Most Comprehensive Line of Healthcare Computing Solutions Purpose-built for Diverse Medical Environments | National Business | joplinglobe.com
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22:16 TR News; "But recently, I decided I needed to cut as many non-free software from my life as possible, including macOS" gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-05-28-new-computer-new-age.gmi
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22:18 TR News; "I have decided to term the spaces where you are being bugged as bugspace." Social control media. gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2020-12-28_bugspace.gmi
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22:23 TR News; Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162598 The 'anti-harassment' harasses innocent people, ruins the project http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/debian-social-contract/
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162598
=> http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/debian-social-contract/
22:23 TR Bot; Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project | Tux Machines
22:23 TR Bot; Scientific Excellence and the Debian Social Contract | Techrights
22:24 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation. Acting more like Microsoft proxy than a guardian of security https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/07/marketing-with-microsoft-npm/
=> ↺ https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/07/marketing-with-microsoft-npm/
22:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cpomagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/
22:24 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/ )
22:24 TR Bot; The Studies of Linux Foundation Research Based on Data From Microsoft and Experts in Adobe, Not Open Source | Techrights
22:25 TR News; "It is an introduction to doing Internet transfers using libcurl, may 30-35 minutes presentation followed by a Q&A session where I can answer all and any questions you may have." cURL needs to delete Microsoft GitHub. Unhealthy relationship. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/15/webinar-getting-started-with-libcurl/
=> ↺ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/15/webinar-getting-started-with-libcurl/
22:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/15/webinar-getting-started-with-libcurl/
22:25 TR Bot; getting started with libcurl | daniel.haxx.se
22:27 TR News; This week or next week techrighs exceeds 33,000 blog posts
22:28 TR News; Techrights traffic this past month (31 days): 3.3MB/sec.
22:28 TR News; Some time this month the Gemini capsule of techrights will exceed 40k pages.
22:30 TR News; In geminispace fewer than 1% of capsules uses non-SHA256 encryption gemini://botond.online/en/stats/
=> ↺ gemini://botond.online/en/stats/
22:31 TR News; "Hiawatha is a lightweight Web server with a variety of features that distinguish it from heavyweights such as Apache." gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/hiawatha.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/hiawatha.gmi
22:33 TR News; Words? Good. Now follow up with more actions. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/07/white-house-task-force-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment-report/
22:33 TR Bot; White House Task Force on Worker Organizing and Empowerment Report | The White House
22:36 TR News; ICBM outsourced a lot of Fedora to Amazon!!! Yes, Amazon. ICBM : buy our CLOWN. But we do NOT trust OUR OWN Clown! So we send it to AWS http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/ earlier today ICBM also sent Opensource.com to Amazon AWS. Rejecting their OWN dogfood.
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/
22:36 TR Bot; It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights
22:36 TR News; ICBM has also been busy trying to nuke (take offline) its critics who merely point out facts about ICBM http://techrights.org/2022/01/19/watson-pr/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/01/19/watson-pr/
22:36 TR Bot; Another Video IBM Does Not Want You to Watch | Techrights
22:37 immibis_; vimeo makes uploaders pay for storage and bandwidth consumed by people who watch their videos. now you know why youtube has ads
22:38 immibis_; does schestowitz have a snarky backronym for TPM?
22:38 TR News; ICBM killed CentOS. Hours ago: "Sadly, we did not attract new volunteers to contribute to the SIGs" https://blog.centos.org/2022/03/centos-community-newsletter-march-2022/ nobody wants to be a "Slave" of ICBM. People aren't stupid. They watch closely the behaviour of the steward. Even Jim AllowHurst has left.
=> ↺ https://blog.centos.org/2022/03/centos-community-newsletter-march-2022/
22:38 TR Bot; Community Newsletter, March 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
22:39 schestowitz-TR; immibis_: you can suggest one such backronym
22:39 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
=> ↺ https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
22:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
22:39 schestowitz-TR; I never thought of one
22:39 schestowitz-TR; but the T is problematic
22:39 MinceR; treacherous
22:39 schestowitz-TR; so usually you would twist the T or use scare quotes
22:40 schestowitz-TR; iirc, FSF still says "treacherous"
22:40 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: beat me to it
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22:42 TR News; IBM gets rid of old workers not because they're "lazy" or "need upskilling" but because it can hire young people in India for a little fraction of the "dinobaby" salary ($15,009/annum instead of $150,000). The media doesn't want to say it because it's "racist"... like IBM http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
22:42 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
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22:44 TR News; BUT OK then... if ICBM wants to be a company of drones who say "DevOps" and "AIOps" and "clown" it won't be a "smart" decision. Because ICBM is already not competitive and the geniuses it got onboard by buying Red Hat are rapidly leaving, including the managers (lots of them left).
22:45 TR News; ICBM is also very tactless for STILL calling some of its products "WATSON" (as if people cannot study history) http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/
22:45 TR Bot; Watson is a Lot More Offensive Than Whitelist and Master | Techrights
22:46 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503824207641198595#m
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503824207641198595#m
22:46 TR Bot; Wikinaut (@Wikinaut): "cc "">@zoobab @schestowitz @KonstantinNotz Do you already have any information on that (Russia leaving these IP treaties)?" | nitter
22:46 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/KreissignalSh3/status/1503828734146662403#m
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/KreissignalSh3/status/1503828734146662403#m
22:46 TR Bot; (@KreissignalSh3): "No, but a country with no patent laws, as suggested upthread, cannot in good faith remain in WIPO and/or the Paris Convention, for obvious reasons. If theyre just planning on playing fast & loose with national IP held by non-Russians, then its a different ballgame." | nitter
22:46 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503826317183180805#m
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503826317183180805#m
22:46 TR Bot; Wikinaut (@Wikinaut): "Status Russian Federation: https://wipolex.wipo.int/en/treaties/ShowResults?country_id=147C" | nitter
=> ↺ https://wipolex.wipo.int/en/treaties/ShowResults?country_id=147C"
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22:48 XRevan86; "Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." <- hahahaha
22:48 TR News; "The UN went gloves-off on AI last month, with High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet calling for a moratorium on the use and sale of any [HEY HI] (algorithmic) systems that threaten human rights." gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/ai.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/ai.gmi
22:48 XRevan86; No comment.
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22:50 TR News; "This is an older screenshot taken from my wife's phone during an attempt at reading an article. I measured the amount of actual readable content. It's not even 15% of the screen. We are well past the point of inducing a seizure." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-31-re-ads-what-ads.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-31-re-ads-what-ads.gmi
22:51 XRevan86; https://smbc-comics.com/comic/bah-3 science!
=> ↺ https://smbc-comics.com/comic/bah-3
22:51 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Bah
22:52 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 156: Pernicious and Weird Numbers http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/03/perl-weekly-challenge-156-pernicious-and-weird-numbers.html
22:52 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 156: Pernicious and Weird Numbers | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
22:52 XRevan86; https://yewtu.be/xjfn1-AJA8E?t=87 (no reason)
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/xjfn1-AJA8E?t=87
22:53 TR Bot; Rocket Surgery - Invidious
22:53 schestowitz; [22:48] "Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." <- hahahaha
22:53 schestowitz; where from?
22:54 schestowitz; self-nuke?
22:54 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/Nick_Boro1/status/1503539176632901636#m from here
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/Nick_Boro1/status/1503539176632901636#m
22:54 TR Bot; Nick Dampier (@Nick_Boro1): "No patent laws exist in Russia now. They can have their research teams engineer the parts they need. Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." | nitter
22:55 XRevan86; Lots of replies that can boil down to "hahahaha" as well.
22:55 schestowitz-TR; there is truth to that
22:55 schestowitz-TR; but I would not phrase it like that
22:55 schestowitz-TR; watching your video
22:55 schestowitz-TR; the animation
22:56 XRevan86; Just a few seconds of it are relevant :)
22:56 immibis_; turd poop module if you are 12
22:56 XRevan86; The voice acting is from Borderlands: The Presequel, I've no idea about the game but I like the voice acting anyway :)
22:56 immibis_; https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364
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22:56 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364 )
=> ↺ https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364
22:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: patreon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364
22:57 immibis_; title: "Vimeo is holding our Patreon catalogue hostage"
22:57 *immibis_ is now known as immibis
22:57 schestowitz; wait
22:57 schestowitz; are you saying that video hosting sites lack a business model? ;-)
22:57 immibis; well, youtube has one. ads and data
22:58 immibis; turns out, it is ads and data, excessive fees, or eating the rich
22:58 schestowitz; "Pay Vimeo between $8,000-$9000 a year, or our account will be deactivated and all videos hosted through Vimeo will be gone. Their figure for a 2 year plan is $16,500"
22:58 schestowitz; LOL
22:58 schestowitz; enjoy!!!
22:58 schestowitz; immibis: how do you know:
22:58 schestowitz; 1) gulagtube is profitable
22:59 schestowitz; 2) gulagtube is profitable AND not losing users due to it?
22:59 immibis; why would gulagtube still exist if it was not
22:59 schestowitz; 3) gulagtube will continue to be profitable
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22:59 MinceR; because gulag can afford to maintain it at a loss
22:59 immibis; they either expect profit now or later
22:59 schestowitz; for similarity (1-3), look back at what Twitter did in 2018
22:59 schestowitz; you might 'cash in' for a few quarter and then the users flee
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23:00 schestowitz; immibis: no
23:00 schestowitz; it's also politically strategic
23:00 schestowitz; a lot of tech companies are maintained by loans from the American taxpayers
23:00 schestowitz; national dent
23:00 immibis; oh they want to usher in the communist new world order where you'll own nothing and be happy?
23:00 schestowitz; they keep infusing money to keep a lid on other superpowers
23:00 schestowitz; otherwise china/tiktok can have leverage over minds
23:01 schestowitz; related to this concept
23:01 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance?wprov=srpw1_0
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance?wprov=srpw1_0
23:01 TR Bot; Full-spectrum dominance - Wikipedia
23:01 schestowitz; but on a more mental/sympathetic level
23:01 schestowitz; like funding radio channels in eastern europe
23:01 schestowitz; gulagtube was not proftable wqhen it was sold
23:01 schestowitz; GitHub = same
23:02 schestowitz; so they allegedly paid billions (in paper) for staff and a losing operation
23:02 schestowitz; hoping to turn that into money, power, or both
23:02 schestowitz; or into "too big to fail"
23:02 immibis; tech companies pay for users they can extort money from later
23:02 schestowitz; that too
23:02 schestowitz; IF they can turn them into paying clients
23:02 schestowitz; and that's a big IF
23:02 schestowitz; many fail
23:03 schestowitz; I looked into LBRY too years ago
23:03 schestowitz; it was ugly
23:03 schestowitz; so we only self-host the videos
23:03 schestowitz; more and more sites do this now
23:03 schestowitz; the football clubs started hosting their own audio/video
23:03 XRevan86; It's flawed as heck but it's not ugly, at least not anymore.
23:04 schestowitz; RT based a lot of its stuff on US services/disservices
23:04 schestowitz; because they're naive
23:04 schestowitz; RT is a rogue actor
23:04 schestowitz; rogue and stupid is a good mix
23:04 XRevan86; Or they didn't expect that shit would hit the fan.
23:04 immibis; RT is not stupid
23:04 schestowitz; because the rogue gets undermined by its own lack of foresight
23:04 *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
23:04 schestowitz; RT and other rogues were relying too much on Gulagtube
23:05 schestowitz; and cranks like Ike, Alex Jones etc.
23:05 immibis; gotta go where the users are
23:05 schestowitz; Gulag also shut down more moderate voices like Corbet Report
23:05 schestowitz; and they keep sweeping closer and closer to the center
23:05 schestowitz; is CCTV (China) banned yet? Or just flagged?
23:06 schestowitz; immibis: until you "go"
23:06 MinceR; LBRY was replaced by odysee, which doesn't serve video streams anymore
23:06 MinceR; even the main page is sluggish
23:06 schestowitz; "go" into /dev/null
23:06 schestowitz; odysee is making its issues shallow to see
23:06 schestowitz; inc. some rather tasteless recommendation
23:06 schestowitz; even worse than gulag's
23:07 schestowitz; it's going down the bin or the binshute
23:07 schestowitz; *chute
23:07 schestowitz; liveleaks is dead btw
23:07 MinceR; i haven't tried BitchUte yet
23:07 schestowitz; there's no business model in hosting videos for OTHER people whose work YOU do not care for
23:07 schestowitz; that's why so many social control media sites are shutting down
23:08 schestowitz; they are all ticking time bombs
23:08 TR News; Atari VCS Review: Niche, But Fine (If You Can Afford It) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162599
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162599
23:08 TR Bot; Atari VCS Review: Niche, But Fine (If You Can Afford It) | Tux Machines
23:08 schestowitz; many sites outsourced to clownflare
23:08 schestowitz; that dependency is, for now, less risky
23:09 schestowitz; because bypassing that is doable
23:09 schestowitz; but down the lane clownflare will look to 'cash in'... somehow
23:09 schestowitz; even bezos clown services (AWS) are squeezing charities now
23:09 schestowitz; we see them struggling
23:09 schestowitz; and then bezos turns up the heat on them
23:09 schestowitz; no more free plans
23:10 schestowitz; after they had put proprietary hooks in place for aws
23:10 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1503804239155449860 god-like English
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1503804239155449860
23:10 TR Bot; (@Rogozin): "The European Union has banned the supply of black caviar to Russia. They no longer know what to forbid to supply to us. They banned the supply of black caviar to Russia, which we ourselves supplied to them before!" | nitter
23:11 schestowitz; lol
23:11 schestowitz; Punish the Rushans
23:11 schestowitz; "oh wait"
23:11 XRevan86; Dimitry Rogozin's Twitter is a sight to observe.
23:12 immibis; schestowitz: wdym? you pay cloudflare. they get paid. for their services
23:12 schestowitz; "Theyre banning the supply of payloads for your 70-year-old rockets."
23:12 schestowitz; LOL
23:12 immibis; it's no different from paying say hetzner
23:12 schestowitz; no
23:12 XRevan86; schestowitz: https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1502375246183211008 god-like humour too
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1502375246183211008
23:13 TR Bot; (@Rogozin): "" | nitter
23:13 schestowitz; clownflare gets paid by a fraction
23:13 schestowitz; otherwise they cannot build up a userbase
23:13 *matey (~matey@rfm83qjeum9ga.irc) has joined #techrights
23:14 XRevan86; The fun thing about this is that the subtext of the cartoon directly contradicts the official narrative.
23:14 matey; mincer: whatever worth bitchute allegedly had, that was a long time ago
23:14 XRevan86; s/subtext/text/
23:14 schestowitz; XRevan86: LOL
23:14 schestowitz; like these scene was made just for Feb-March 2022
23:15 matey; you might try thedonald first, bitchute was too busy trolling a slovakian liberterian for not being altwoke enough
23:15 matey; then again i havent checked on it in quite some time
23:16 schestowitz; XRevan86: I think I saw the original as a kid
23:16 immibis; schestowitz: cloudflare doesn't exactly have network effects; they have enough big sites using them to pay for infrastructure
23:16 schestowitz; but cannot recall for sure
23:16 XRevan86; schestowitz: It's a real scene of course. But arrogant captions slapped on top.
23:16 schestowitz; immibis: they did an IPO, didn't they?
23:16 schestowitz; profitable yet?
23:17 XRevan86; Director General of Roscosmos finds it funny.
23:17 immibis; if they are not profitable how does increasing their expenses help them get more profit?
23:17 schestowitz; XRevan86: yes, loss of tanks and all
23:17 schestowitz; and cutting off their own economy
23:17 schestowitz; tom should be on crutches
23:17 matey; it would be interesting to see which of these services really are profitable and which are simply pulling the wal mart model of undercut now, enjoy monopoly later, profit
23:18 schestowitz; XRevan86: my dad would too
23:18 schestowitz; he jokes at NATO's reaction
23:18 schestowitz; NATO is like OIN
23:18 schestowitz; it doesn't do anything
23:18 MinceR; 16 001407 < XRevan86> The fun thing about this is that the subtext of the cartoon directly contradicts the official narrative.
23:18 schestowitz; it's just there
23:18 schestowitz; doing nothing
23:18 MinceR; it also appears to be out of touch with reality
23:18 schestowitz; sitting on patents and adding members
23:18 XRevan86; Official narrative: peacekeeping, liberation
23:18 XRevan86; Rogozin: Haha, Russian army destroy Ukraine, NATO does nothing, pathetic, haha
23:18 schestowitz; toothless and rather worthless
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23:18 immibis; that's not subtext, it's just text
23:18 XRevan86; MinceR: It is :)
23:19 *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights
23:19 XRevan86; immibis: I corrected myself almost immediately.
23:19 schestowitz; let's see clownflare's reports
23:19 schestowitz; LOLOLOLOLOLOL https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139460/net-loss-cloudflare-worldwide/
=> ↺ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139460/net-loss-cloudflare-worldwide/
23:19 TR Bot; Cloudflare global net loss/income 2016-2020 | Statista
23:19 matey; \o/
23:19 schestowitz; Go harder, clowns
23:19 schestowitz; make more losses
23:20 schestowitz; it's the Uber of CDNs
23:20 schestowitz; the more they do, the more they lose
23:20 schestowitz; way to go
23:20 schestowitz; that's US capitalism
23:20 matey; us capitalism?
23:20 schestowitz; yes
23:20 schestowitz; exreme capitalism
23:20 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/DanielS18352008/status/1502379203060187141#m :)
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/DanielS18352008/status/1502379203060187141#m
23:20 schestowitz; borrow, borrow
23:20 TR Bot; Daniel Smith (@DanielS18352008): "But it seems that this video lacks the best part of it, the end. When Tomy breaks the line and when Cherry's bell works. I believe that this last part of the cartoon will explain the future geopolitical situation, the #NATO warning, the victory of Ukraine and the end of #Putin." | nitter
23:20 schestowitz; max up
23:20 schestowitz; it's OK
23:21 matey; /me nods
23:21 schestowitz; jesus will come and sed money
23:21 schestowitz; *send
23:21 schestowitz; Jesus will send it by Western Union
23:21 matey; canadian capitalism: borrow from china, pay back in political influence
23:21 schestowitz; How many trillions were pumped into US corproations since COVID-19 began?
23:21 matey; china: "we take influence"
23:22 schestowitz; they borrowed 11 TRILLION since (~ two years)
23:22 schestowitz; how much of that went to actual households struggling with basics? 2?
23:22 matey; mexican capitalism: let american businesses use nafta like a crowbar
23:22 matey; but if you keep going south a similar thing happens
23:22 schestowitz; china: we make little profit by paying very little to sweatshop workers
23:22 matey; probably because nafta wasnt all that different from cafta
23:22 schestowitz; always small
23:22 schestowitz; but it adds up
23:23 immibis; XRevan86: do you really pay $39/mo for statista?
23:23 immibis; sorry, $59 without the discount
23:23 matey; statista: we have a business model
23:23 schestowitz; immibis: you said, "[clownflare] [...] have enough big sites using them to pay for infrastructure"
23:23 schestowitz; they are like a half a billion in debt
23:24 immibis; someone should invent a system where my internet bill goes up by $10/month and every site I visit gets a share of the $10 depending on how often I visit it
23:24 schestowitz; they live on shareholders' loans
23:24 XRevan86; immibis: What's statista?
23:24 schestowitz; it's a decent site for authoritative data
23:24 immibis; XRevan86: sorry wrong ping. schestowitz linked to it
23:24 schestowitz; they study data
23:24 immibis; schestowitz pays 5x youtube premium, for graphs
23:24 matey; /me looks up statista on statista
23:24 immibis; and refuses to use youtube because of its business model or something
23:25 schestowitz; they will all need to cash in
23:25 schestowitz; or perish
23:25 schestowitz; or become government-funded
23:25 *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: I expect to be back tomorrow)
23:25 schestowitz; or become government filter
23:25 schestowitz; btw, netflix has had similar issues
23:26 matey; netflix also sells something they have no control over
23:26 matey; and negotiations can increase the price of hollywood content at any time
23:26 schestowitz; netflix claims it did manage to swing into profits at the end https://www.statista.com/statistics/273884/netflixs-quarterly-net-income/
=> ↺ https://www.statista.com/statistics/273884/netflixs-quarterly-net-income/
23:26 TR Bot; Netflix: quarterly net income 2021 | Statista
23:27 schestowitz; https://www.statista.com/chart/26773/profitability-development-of-spotify/
=> ↺ https://www.statista.com/chart/26773/profitability-development-of-spotify/
23:27 TR Bot; Chart: Spotify Presses Pause on Profits | Statista
23:27 matey; when you put a movie on netflix, they dont really dictate anything, the owners of the movie have the most leverage
23:27 *x_ is now known as kingoffrance
23:27 matey; its a bit different than somewhere where the host has more leverage than the users (paid or gratis)
23:27 schestowitz; Spotify mostly loses money
23:27 matey; also the paying users of netflix have no leverage either
23:27 kingoffrance; "Jesus will send it by Western Union" thats not wrong, thats what identity thieves and drug dealers do. guess who runs the churches :D
23:27 schestowitz; https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26773.jpeg
=> ↺ https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26773.jpeg
23:27 matey; they can pay or not pay, thats it
23:28 matey; drug dealers run the churches?
23:28 schestowitz; so you cannot compete with them unless you too can afford to lose a ton of money
23:28 matey; does that make them the opium smugglers of the masses?
23:28 schestowitz; and hope for an upswing/inflection point some time in the future
23:29 schestowitz; if you are ICBM, you make up a new company
23:29 schestowitz; and offload dying things onto it
23:29 schestowitz; Microsoft does the same, to an extent
23:29 schestowitz; I heard Azure was still making losses, just like shithub
23:29 schestowitz; but they hide it
23:29 schestowitz; mostly by rebranding old things "Azure"
23:29 immibis; google says cloudflare's profit margin is -40% - i'm sure they can afford to raise prices by 40%
23:30 schestowitz; Gulag's AWS rival make HUUUUGE losses
23:30 schestowitz; like billions per quarter
23:30 immibis; btw when there is a lot of unprofitable stuff happening, that means it's time for a market crash and recession
23:30 schestowitz; yes
23:30 immibis; hope you shorted azure and gulag
23:30 schestowitz; you just follow my thinking here
23:30 schestowitz; a lot of these companies are making up bubbles
23:30 immibis; it's been time for a recession for several years now; hasn't happened
23:30 matey; when arguing that google needs to consider a model based on government funding, why not consider that they already have one
23:30 schestowitz; and drag people's savings accounts into them
23:31 schestowitz; because interest rates in the banks are near 0%
23:31 schestowitz; with inflation gone mad, so in essense the savings shrink (in purchasing power)
23:31 matey; it's been time for a recession for several years now <- lots of ways to postpone such a thing
23:31 schestowitz; matey: they do
23:31 schestowitz; see what happened the past 3 weeks
23:31 matey; schestowitz: thats my point
23:31 schestowitz; and even without banning
23:32 schestowitz; they derank and flag things
23:32 matey; i thought you were saying they should seek one
23:32 schestowitz; in the US companies took over decades ago
23:32 schestowitz; not just the tech companies
23:32 schestowitz; all the sectors
23:32 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-14-22-25.jpg
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23:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-14-22-25.jpg
23:32 schestowitz; insurance, oil...
23:32 schestowitz; we have a purse-oicracy
23:32 schestowitz; "open your purse, Jo"
23:33 schestowitz; "open your purse, Don"
23:33 matey; no question about it
23:33 schestowitz; "open your purse, {next president}"
23:33 schestowitz; https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
=> ↺ https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
23:33 TR Bot; United States Government Debt - February 2022 Data - 1942-2021 Historical
23:33 schestowitz; press "MAX"
23:33 immibis; schestowitz: government does that. The fed basically controls the business cycle AFAIK?
23:34 immibis; or rather, tries to counteract it (thus controlling it)
23:34 matey; regulates
23:34 immibis; regulates is a good word - like a pressure regulator, not like the FDA
23:34 schestowitz; "open your purse" has become "open your zipper"
23:34 kingoffrance; unity of opposites matey :)
23:34 matey; control might give them too much credit
23:34 schestowitz; warch how the curve goes vertical around 2020
23:34 matey; when it does thing they cant stop even if they want it to, its still regulation, its not control
23:34 immibis; schestowitz: if you are betting on that, then I hope you took out as much debt as possible, because the USD will become worthless
23:34 schestowitz; it's not like this year suddenly it'll plataea
23:35 immibis; matey: thing can only happen when money is abundant
23:35 immibis; or rather time*money
23:35 schestowitz; debt is paid back with interest
23:35 schestowitz; and they can take stuff of yours
23:35 schestowitz; which can lose a lot of value very quickly
23:35 schestowitz; your 10,000 pound cars now worth 1,000
23:35 immibis; the fed controls the price of timemoney. Companies need timemoney to do stuff and the more they have the more stuff they will do, scraping lower and lower into the barrel
23:36 schestowitz; "we'll have that, thanks, that's 1000 off your debt"
23:36 schestowitz; "but my car cost 10k"
23:36 schestowitz; "yeah yeah.... whatever... they always say that'\
23:36 immibis; schestowitz: but you are predicting that we're in the hyperinflation timeline. So your car is worth 100 billion
23:36 kingoffrance; immibis, fed is PPP. they are both appointed by government, but were deliberately meant to be business people...because they didnt trust gov wont just rig things to win an election. this was how it was sold, eliminating panics, long-term, letting the experts run things instead of politicians
23:36 kingoffrance; ignore shares for the moment etc.
23:37 schestowitz; right now in usland [sic] most companies that are "most successful" are also loss leader
23:37 immibis; If the government debt curve goes vertical, then soon after that, the government will either default on its debt (meaning nobody will want US$ ever again) or the government will print unlimited amounts of it (meaning nobody will want US$ ever again)
23:37 schestowitz; years ago even amazon announced losses
23:37 schestowitz; not big losses
23:37 schestowitz; but losses
23:37 matey; how are things in bor-usland?
23:37 schestowitz; paying 1.2 million salaries isn't easy
23:38 schestowitz; and when people have no money to buy things and china cannot produce (or export) you need to rethink the whole operation
23:38 schestowitz; matey: borisnaro is killing many of us
23:38 schestowitz; esp. the families with young kids
23:38 matey; its amazing how much the uk has fallen
23:38 MinceR; nice way to sell regulatory capture
23:39 kingoffrance; :)
23:39 matey; i blame it on capitualation from labour many years ago
23:39 matey; of course there are many other factors
23:39 schestowitz; based on 4 Nov 2021 report, clownflare losses increased in last report
23:39 schestowitz; compared to prior year
23:40 schestowitz; their chief says to the media this month to be patient
23:40 matey; the fact that the eu benefit germant and france more than the uk pretty much guaranteed brexit sooner or later (good or bad, just inevitable)
23:40 schestowitz; that they bet on getting more sites hooks
23:40 schestowitz; then something will happen
23:40 immibis; why does the EU benefit germany and france more than the UK?
23:40 schestowitz; they are there for shareholders, not sites
23:40 immibis; every business is for shareholders
23:40 matey; because the eu lets germany and france pretty much run the show
23:40 immibis; including ones like hetzner
23:40 immibis; which you seem to have no problem with
23:41 schestowitz; epo
23:41 schestowitz; not many british wortkers there
23:41 schestowitz; not anymore anyway
23:41 schestowitz; it fell sharply
23:41 immibis; well the UK's not in the EU
23:41 immibis; why would there be?
23:41 matey; im talking about the events leading to brexit, not after
23:41 matey; so by necessity im not talking about the present
23:42 immibis; why didn't some apply for jobs?
23:42 kingoffrance; way back with woodrow wilson, they had to get william jennings bryan on board. so fed was given the appearance of "public" money, but this just meant the gov would pick up any debts, just thought it was the only way it would pass. didn't really matter perhaps until the depression. point: PPP: private made public legal tender. gov/public on the hook for it. PPP/both. any alone "public" or "private" analysis will fail, its a partner
23:42 kingoffrance; ship
23:43 kingoffrance; its both!
23:43 matey; /me wonders if one side always wears the PPPP
23:43 matey; (the Pants in the Public Private Partnership)
23:43 kingoffrance; lol
23:44 kingoffrance; insert "it's pat!" here
23:44 matey; oh, oldschool snl
23:44 matey; but point taken
23:44 schestowitz; [23:41] well the UK's not in the EU
23:44 schestowitz; it is in EPC, hence EPO
23:44 schestowitz; for now
23:47 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2017/11/09/administrative-council-of-the-epo-is-concerned-that-the-office-is-largely-german-and-male-recruitment-bar-has-fallen/
23:47 TR Bot; Administrative Council of the EPO is Concerned That the Office is Largely German and Male, Recruitment Bar Has Fallen | Techrights
23:47 schestowitz; this is still true
23:47 schestowitz; I cannot find the article about massive decrease in british workers
23:47 schestowitz; it was around 2016
23:48 matey; note i was speaking more broadly, but the epo seems to support what im saying (incidentally or otherwise)
23:48 matey; /me wonders what percentage of epo workers are french
23:48 TR News; "I know I've been very negative on my gemlog lately. I'm trying to find things to be positive about but it's very difficult and a lot easier to write about all the stuff I don't like." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-09-29.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-09-29.gmi
23:48 matey; not that it has to be that way in every department
23:49 schestowitz-TR; quite high
23:49 schestowitz-TR; for sure more than british and irish
23:49 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states-vs-epo-staff/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states-vs-epo-staff/
23:49 TR Bot; Top EPO Applicants (Six Nations/States of Seven Founding States) Approved Unlawful Strike Regulations, Illegally Crushing EPO Examiners | Techrights
23:49 matey; seems like hitler would have achieved more of his plan with the eu than than the third reich
23:49 schestowitz; you need to understand where EPO comes from
23:50 matey; im not saying the eu is worse, just more in line with his political ambitions
23:50 schestowitz; Benelux Union
23:50 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states/
23:50 TR Bot; The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IV: The Founding States | Techrights
23:50 schestowitz; and some institution in NL and one in DE
23:50 schestowitz; no idea why UKIPO wants to give them more leverage
23:52 TR News; "It's been a slow build up ever since a few weeks after classes started, but I've finally reached near-zero levels of motivation. Missing over a week of classes to covid at the start of the month certainly didn't help, but it wasn't the cause of the problem." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-11-30-november-is-gone.gmi
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23:57 TR News; "Let's just be honest, and admit that [Linux] wasn't designed. [Linux] grew. It grew with a lot of mutations - and because the mutations were less than random, they were faster and more directed than alpha-particles in DNA." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-14-design-vs-evolution.gmi
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