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00:00 schestowitz[TR2]; even 24k
00:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 28k
00:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 14.4
00:01 DaemonFC; Assuming you blocked the video player and ads, the site would probably take almost 5 minutes to come through as a Web page on a 56k modem, even with v.92 compression on.
00:02 DaemonFC; It just wouldn't be practical.
00:02 DaemonFC; Web to GemText would take 2 seconds.
00:05 matey; what are you going to do with 14.4
00:07 DaemonFC; Gemini would work fine.
00:09 schestowitz[TR2]; just as the web worked fine back then
00:09 schestowitz[TR2]; a bit heavier in the markup sense
00:10 phanes; youre not going to make much hedway into debian's issues until you address the neil mcgovern factor
00:10 matey; youre not going to make much hedway into debian's issues <- he never will
00:10 DaemonFC; Mandy's helping me in the kitchen.
00:10 matey; emphasis on never
00:10 DaemonFC; I'm making a crab imperial casserole.
00:11 DaemonFC; Man I hope it's good. The crab alone cost a fortune.
00:11 phanes; also in that context
00:11 matey; the dds get the gravy but the users get the beans
00:11 phanes; i wonder why elana hashmann isn't brought up here
00:11 matey; ooooh
00:11 matey; elana hashmann
00:12 matey; i think she was, years ago
00:12 matey; no sarcasm: how is she relevant to all this now
00:12 phanes; i mean its an obviously personality disorder and toxic influence that was central to the stallman smear campaign and im not sure what else
00:12 matey; where does she even hail from? debian? osi? gnome?
00:13 phanes; all 3 and redhat most recently
00:13 matey; so basically a girl version of mjg then
00:13 phanes; i would agree with that
00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; hashman is not important
00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; we also stopped bringing bully de icaza here
00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; (blanc)
00:13 matey; roy downplays the coup
00:14 matey; acts like its old unimportant news
00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; hashman mostly 'vanished'
00:14 matey; then denies it of course
00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; like neil mcgovern
00:14 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG displays signs of a few things in my opinion.
00:14 matey; its funny
00:14 matey; alex gravely vanishes and he does 100 pieces on it
00:14 matey; which i understand
00:14 phanes; hashman is a tactical point of failure in these campaigns
00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; deb icaza is another one... they ruin their credibility and become low profile
00:14 matey; what i dont get is that people closer to coup (the feet on the ground)
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00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; same for miguel e icaza
00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; apparneltyy fired
00:14 matey; when they vanish he acts like they never existed
00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; no
00:15 DaemonFC; Narcissism, and almost like a borderline and histrionic personality.
00:15 matey; and become low profile <- the relevance
00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; it means we need to focus on those sctive as a prioriuty
00:15 matey; 23:15 <schestowitz[TR2]> no 23:14 then denies it of course
00:15 matey; well heres why thats dumb.
00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; we could still boycott novel, y'know?
00:15 matey; heres a big picture that tells us a lot.
00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; excewpt it ceased to exist
00:15 matey; yeah boycott novell was better.
00:15 DaemonFC; Of course, that's not a professional diagnosis.
00:15 matey; the big picture tells us more
00:16 DaemonFC; Merely some things I'd suspect a psychiatrist would pick up on. In my lay opinion.
00:16 matey; by focusing on the present, you let them control the narrative by disappearing and changing their rhetoric
00:16 matey; if you want to tell the actual story
00:16 matey; you cant ignore whats happened
00:16 matey; and the reason you think you need to focus on the present is its more about pageviews than journalism
00:16 matey; you dont want people to say "oh, this is old news" and skip it
00:17 matey; you want them to go OOH JUICY GOSS! and scroll while drooling over nothing
00:17 matey; however, for some of us the actual story (and what to do about it) is more important
00:17 matey; so focusing too exclusively on the present is useless
00:17 matey; even detrimental-- though of course the present matters too
00:17 matey; its the past of the future!
00:17 DaemonFC; Mozilla isn't a software company.
00:18 matey; and the future of the past
00:18 DaemonFC; They crossed the threshold into like 60% bullshit 40% software.
00:18 DaemonFC; The software throws the bullshit in your face.
00:18 matey; accuweather focuses on the present of the weather down to the minute
00:18 matey; while downplaying trends that will make or break the human race
00:18 matey; you can do that too
00:18 matey; but expect people to make fun of it
00:19 *phanes wonders if he broke mjg59_ or something, he's been quiet
00:19 matey; just yesterday you said "we fight too"
00:19 matey; well, no. no you dont. you sensationalise
00:19 matey; thats not fighting
00:20 matey; its "goss"
00:20 phanes; my perception of roy is that he's conflict-avoidant but wants to get the truth out, has some difficulty with separation of issues in content
00:20 matey; then you say its because its really about the epo, not free software
00:20 matey; because the narrative changes on a whim all the time
00:20 matey; because there isnt a real reason (or at least, its none of the above)
00:21 matey; maybe its really about nothing
00:21 phanes; schestowitz[TR2]: btw are you on the spectrum?
00:21 matey; ACTION wonders if he broke mjg59_ or something <- despite having helpers, he cant be
00:21 matey; no hes not on the spectrum
00:21 matey; hes normie af
00:21 matey; which would be fine, some of my best friends are normies
00:21 phanes; idk some of the mannerisms suggest some mild autism to me
00:22 matey; hes a german in britain with some ocd-like tendencies that could easily be misdiagnosed as on the spectrum
00:22 matey; says random internet person with no degree in psych, but thats the internet for you
00:23 phanes; yeah that whole "i publish private messages without asking first" thing comes across as neurodivergent tbh
00:23 matey; germans are issued ocd in the womb, if im not mistaken
00:23 schestowitz[TR2]; phanes> schestowitz[TR2]: btw are you on the spectrum?
00:23 matey; maybe its just petty though
00:23 schestowitz[TR2]; did you stop beating up the rife?
00:23 schestowitz[TR2]; *wife
00:23 phanes; eh?
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00:24 matey; he thinks on the spectrum is an accusation
00:24 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167547
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00:24 matey; but he wont get defensive if you say hes a normie
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00:24 phanes; ive never been involved or even accused of violence towards any woman, THOUGH I CAN'T SAY I'VE NEVER BEEN TEMPTED :d
00:24 TR Bot; Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:24 matey; i can explain this but its also not important
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00:25 matey; yeah that whole "i publish private messages without asking first" <- emails too
00:26 matey; heres a better question (for clarity)
00:26 schestowitz[TR2]; phanes: you said I'm conflict-adverse
00:26 schestowitz[TR2]; that's not true
00:26 matey; is google on the spectrum? because they sift through email for advertising purposes
00:26 schestowitz[TR2]; but our style varies a lot
00:26 matey; he likes conflict
00:26 schestowitz[TR2]; and you mass-banned in #fsf
00:27 matey; putting a bag of poo on fire on someone doorstep, ringing the bell and running away is conflict too
00:27 matey; and you mass-banned in #fsf <- i guess this is about you now phanes
00:27 matey; funny you hit a nerve i didnt think he had
00:27 phanes; schestowitz[TR2]: in all fairness, it's not possible to do that twice because they're all gone after the first time
00:28 schestowitz[TR2]; short fuse
00:28 phanes; feel free to quote me on that as my formal response
00:28 matey; control freaks look like they have ocd
00:28 phanes; short fuse? no i had no personal or direct conflict with #fsf and liked most of the people in there
00:28 matey; but ocd (while co-morbid with autism) isnt the only cause of control freaks
00:29 matey; short fuse? no i had no personal or direct conflict with #fsf <- and now its about you
00:29 matey; despite the fact that in most contexts he will complain that these people banned without due cause
00:29 matey; in this instance it implies something
00:29 matey; welcome to my world
00:30 matey; i was banned from linuxquestions
00:30 matey; i refused to be bullied by their systemd dick sucking contest
00:30 matey; i had countless useful and interesting exchanges there
00:30 phanes; i think what he's confused about is that I actually bite back instead of just antagonizing people from a distance, and i bite back hard to make it an expensive process.
00:30 matey; but once youre targeted by moderators, its over
00:30 matey; i think what he's confused about is that I actually bite back <- ill quote mitt romney in the epic rap battle
00:31 matey; IM NOT GONNA LET THIS BATTLE BE DICTATED BY FACTS
00:31 matey; some people dont care about that
00:31 DaemonFC; phaneswonders if he broke mjg59_ or something, he's been quiet
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00:31 DaemonFC; Point out that "partner" is a conservative microaggression that's used against gay people.
00:31 DaemonFC; That ought to wind him back up for about an hour.
00:32 phanes; if we start policing language so much around feelings we're going to eventually run out of words
00:32 mjg59_; DaemonFC: What word should I be using?
00:32 phanes; there he is
00:32 phanes; mjg59_: have you shaved off your eyebrows yet?
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; now you are just looking for conflict
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and not based on tech issues
00:33 matey; if we start policing language so much around feelings we're going to eventually run out of words <- that is one of the notable hazards
00:33 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and not based on tech issues <- cancellation is a tech issue
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; this feeds the "OSI criticis are homophobic" trupe
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; *tripe
00:34 matey; it killed the linux kernel and the fsf
00:34 phanes; it is, and its not a new conflict, it is one long string of conflict that ends with repairs to the communities impact
00:34 phanes; *communities impacted
00:34 matey; phanes: "we move on"
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: no
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; i starts culture wars in IRC
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; and not wars over tech
00:34 DaemonFC; phanesthere he is
00:34 matey; oh! now it only affects irc
00:34 DaemonFC; Told you.
00:34 matey; phanes, did you hit him over the head with that barrel?
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; fwiw, "both sides" can do it
00:35 matey; here we go
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; and either way it derails the causes
00:35 matey; roys saying dont cancel the cancellers again
00:35 matey; so just them take over and run shit.
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; no
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; he gets them gfoing
00:35 phanes; matey: no im still in research and planning spikes
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; and later they link to it
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; and call us names
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; and it's time-wasting
00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; because we have many tech issues to cover
00:35 matey; phanes: your research is consistent and (from what ive seen at least) based on thinking about things in context
00:36 matey; roy i dont know what youre talking about. i suspect that makes three of us
00:36 matey; but this is one of your narratives, its only a matter of which one
00:36 DaemonFC; I try to gravitate towards platforms that aren't controlled by Cancel Culture.
00:36 matey; theyre all tedious and timewasting
00:36 matey; and miss the point
00:36 DaemonFC; They're outnumbered, but wasting your time with them is pointless.
00:36 matey; and theyre all presented as a way to "get" the point
00:37 matey; but there isnt one
00:37 matey; at least as long as we do it your way
00:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is the kind of person who ruins Disney and shits all over your childhood.
00:37 MinceR; 23 011840 < matey> while downplaying trends that will make or break the human race
00:37 DaemonFC; I'm glad I got to see their parks before Cancel Culture won.
00:37 MinceR; i don't need accuweather to tell me we're boiling ourselves to death, but it can still be useful to know what weather to expect today or tomorrow
00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: the reason mjg was muted last year was,
00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; he would bring up sex
00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; and then use the resultant mess to defame us
00:38 matey; it can still be useful to know what weather to expect today or tomorrow <- of course it is, thats why i use it too
00:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and now phanes does the same in reverse
00:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and it just derails the channekl
00:38 matey; but theyre still using that as bait to downplay other important things
00:38 matey; and thats the parallel
00:38 schestowitz[TR2]; which is abiut tech and patents mostly
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00:38 DaemonFC; One of the first things to go was that you couldn't depict pirates as chasing after women (it implies rape). They used to have part of the animatronic Pirates ride a pirate chasing a woman around a barrel.
00:38 phanes; yeah he's been trying really hard to bring up topics to capture out of context test bytes but he's not exactly hard to spot when he's doing it
00:38 matey; and now phanes does the same in reverse <- so youre against analysis of the coup just like youre against people using bsd to get away from sytemd?
00:38 DaemonFC; Which is something a pirate would probably do. They're outlaws.
00:39 matey; "this doesnt need to be our #1 priority"-- roy on people using bsd to get away from systemd
00:39 MinceR; 23 012438 < matey> but he wont get defensive if you say hes a normie
00:39 MinceR; maybe because it's meaningless
00:39 matey; normie isnt meaningless
00:39 DaemonFC; Certainly nobody at Disney was implying that being a lawbreaker who raped women was acceptable.
00:39 DaemonFC; It was just a stupid ride about pirates.
00:39 matey; its the opposite of neurodivergent
00:40 matey; imo the best way to use it is when normies are being cunts to those who are neurodivergent
00:40 phanes; i haven't heard normie used that weay
00:40 phanes; *way
00:40 matey; other than that i think its a bit rude, but thats just my opinion
00:40 matey; theres another way to use it
00:40 MinceR; 23 013935 < matey> its the opposite of neurodivergent
00:40 matey; like trans people use "cis"
00:40 MinceR; it's yet another of the millions of insults imageboard people throw at people they dislike
00:40 matey; no, neurodivergent isnt meaningless
00:40 MinceR; like "cringe"
00:40 DaemonFC; Then the left has suppressed the film in which the first black actor won an Oscar award.
00:41 phanes; when i use the term normies im usually talking about average IQ people
00:41 matey; it's yet another of the millions of insults <- it may be used that way, but it still has a meaning
00:41 DaemonFC; The only way you can see it is to download a bootlegged copy.
00:41 matey; why does being an insult make it not have a meaning?
00:41 matey; its not arbitrary
00:42 matey; when i use the term normies im usually talking about average IQ people <- telling someone theyre "average" implies something less than flattering
00:42 matey; even if its a stastistical fact
00:42 phanes; i mean
00:42 phanes; not everybody gets to be amazing
00:42 matey; someone may FACTUALLY be an idiot
00:42 DaemonFC; I mean, the film "Song of the South" is hardly a great movie, but it had moments where it was pretty okay. And they censor an achievement by black actors.
00:42 phanes; sorry
00:42 matey; yeah but to be fair
00:42 matey; theres more than one way to be amazing
00:42 DaemonFC; They finally won an Oscar, and here the left comes to take it away!
00:42 phanes; its something is amazing its definitionally not normal
00:43 DaemonFC; Then they censored Splash Mountain.
00:43 matey; but normie doesnt mean not amazing
00:43 matey; it means not neurodivergent
00:43 phanes; to me it does
00:43 matey; fair enough
00:43 phanes; there are plenty of autist normies
00:43 DaemonFC; I wouldn't go to Disney World for free today.
00:43 phanes; not every autist is high functioning
00:43 DaemonFC; If I won tickets in a contest, I'd sell them to someone else.
00:43 phanes; im not on the spectrum
00:44 DaemonFC; Walking around in the sun all day standing in line so when I get up there I'm told what I'm allowed to see by the SJWs is not gonna happen.
00:44 DaemonFC; Much less paying for it.
00:47 DaemonFC; Being racist is fine and acceptable in America today.....you can absolutely be as racist as you want, as long as the victim is white. You can say anything you want about white people, you can lie about us, you can slander us, you can make up any negative and false stereotype. You can treat us as badly in court as what you say the system does to black people, and you can have the cops kill us...
00:47 DaemonFC; ...in the back of police cars, or for reaching for our driver's license. And nobody is going to riot and set fires.
00:47 DaemonFC; Hell, nobody is even going to report it!
00:47 DaemonFC; So knock yourself out. If you're part of the left, you've won.
00:47 matey; anyway, the coup is one of the most important things about the history of the movement
00:47 matey; not the only important thing, but highly important
00:48 phanes; not unless you can prove it
00:48 matey; letting it fall by the wayside only helps the occupation
00:48 matey; not unless you can prove it <- wait, what?
00:48 phanes; when you're dealing with reality warpers history is the last victim
00:48 matey; rewriting history has been an open source tactic since 1998
00:48 matey; linus wrote an operating system
00:48 DaemonFC; They have white people so self-deprecating that when the police commit misconduct against us, the other white people even say "he probably deserved it".
00:48 matey; the fuck you say
00:49 matey; linus co-opted a movement and then said the movement was about hate
00:49 matey; i like him just 1% more than you like mjg
00:49 matey; he equated standing up to corporate hegemony with "hate"
00:49 matey; thats how stallman was ousted
00:49 phanes; i mean
00:50 phanes; if these leaders had social or strategic acumen they'd BE their corporate counterparts
00:50 matey; they have a strategy
00:50 matey; suck dicks
00:50 DaemonFC; If Ian Murdock had been black, liberals would have torn up city hall in San Francisco on a mission to prove the police either killed him or set out to frame him.
00:50 matey; thats a strategy
00:50 DaemonFC; There would be resignations. Firings.
00:50 DaemonFC; Regime change.
00:50 matey; linus did this less than people like gkh
00:51 matey; tso did this less than even torvalds i think
00:51 matey; these are the people you want to weed out if you want hegemony
00:51 matey; but linus was never on our side. he was on theirs
00:51 DaemonFC; Well, the way mjg59_ works, it's like President Clark's regime in B5. You know.
00:51 matey; he did insist on having principles. he had a spine
00:51 matey; but he was still on the other team
00:51 DaemonFC; It's like how ISN switches over to more and more bullshit until they just lie openly and expect nobody to rebut them.
00:51 matey; and ultimately the game didnt change
00:51 matey; they ousted him to keep tso out
00:51 phanes; i trhink youre making some assumptions there. what if he just knows he's getting old and doesn't want to leave his life work to the mercy of non-contributing activists
00:52 matey; they fucked up tso for good measure. always double tap
00:52 DaemonFC; He's on a mission to do character assassinations against all of the important people in the FOSS community, while having done nothing for it except sabotage.
00:52 matey; i trhink youre making some assumptions there. <- i mean
00:52 matey; this is the concluision that YEARS of research brings me to
00:52 matey; what am i assuming?
00:52 matey; i could always be wrong
00:52 matey; id like to be wrong more often
00:52 matey; sometimes i am
00:52 phanes; i was wrong once
00:53 matey; oh ive been wrong enough times for now
00:53 phanes; i thought i was wrong about something for a bit and then looked it up and it turned out i was right
00:53 phanes; :D
00:53 matey; i thought microsoft was going to buy red hat, RIGHT before ibm did
00:53 matey; im told microsofts deal was on the table though
00:54 matey; ibm and microsoft are easier to understand if you think of them as the same company-- despite the fact theyre not
00:54 DaemonFC; Microsoft isn't hiring. They're not a healthy company.
00:54 DaemonFC; I think mjg59_'s endgame was probably to get a job there like Miguel.
00:54 phanes; i turn down offers from msft all the time, theyre hiring
00:54 DaemonFC; But that's a guess. Anyway, they're on a hiring freeze for the most part.
00:54 matey; i guess ariadne does too
00:55 DaemonFC; They did a bunch of stealth layoffs. Not big enough to draw major headlines.
00:55 DaemonFC; All adding up.
00:57 matey; i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
00:57 matey; its pretty straightforward
00:57 matey; maybe "straightforward" is the wrong word. but its not complicated
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; i turn down offers from msft all the time, theyre hiring
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; they don't
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; a month ago sources near microsoft told me they had stopped
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; days ago the MSM confiurmed too
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; but late
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; red hat loses amanager sand engs very fast
00:58 matey; www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/microsoft-eases-up-on-hiring-as-economic-concerns-hit-more-of-the-tech-industry.html
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; so quality of support and their products/eingeering will sink soon, if not already
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; "Eases up"
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; the economy is "easing up"
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; "it's not a recssion!!"
00:59 matey; our pockets were getting to be a heavy burden
00:59 matey; we can relax now
00:59 phanes; in all fairness to that, quality of engineer and support at most of the big names is in freefall the last few years
01:00 matey; take some of that weight off
01:00 phanes; i cant complain, its how i make my money
01:00 matey; international shipping is easing up too
01:01 matey; if you were bothered by the hustle and bustle of too many things going through too quickly, you can breathe a sigh of relief
01:01 phanes; coming in and fixing bullshit
01:01 matey; i ordered some things half a year ago
01:01 matey; /me shrugs
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01:03 matey; i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
01:03 matey; ill give an example of this
01:03 matey; a while ago crystalmath came in and recommended roy promote the stallmansupport website
01:04 britney; well well well, i got discord working in pidgin :D
01:04 matey; roy said we need to get away from this
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; ??
01:04 britney; Pidgin: 66MB ram, Discord: Over 300!
01:04 matey; then a few days later started mirroring all the articles
01:04 matey; its in the logs roy
01:04 matey; your own logs
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; I still link to that site every time it has an update
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; I last checked it for updates 3 hours ago
01:04 matey; my point is
01:04 matey; originally, you dismissed it as the sort of thing we need to "move on" from
01:05 matey; so as i was saying
01:05 CrystalMath; well maybe...
01:05 matey; i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
01:05 matey; stuff roy can write/talk about (or has new information on)
01:05 CrystalMath; i mean sure, Stallman has been uncancelled successfully, that's a win
01:05 matey; thats the stuff "we" should make "our" priority
01:05 CrystalMath; but we need to absolutely make fun of the horrible people who tried to throw mud at him
01:05 matey; if he had new information on the coup, "we" should discuss it
01:05 CrystalMath; and absolutely drive those people into the ground
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; did we get hackernews'd or something?
01:05 matey; if he doesnt, "we" should move on
01:06 matey; if someone else has information on the vcoup
01:06 matey; "we" should "move on"
01:06 schestowitz[TR2]; 2000 res in a minute
01:06 matey; it all depends on who has the scoop
01:06 CrystalMath; that is, we need to punish cancel culture with ridicule so that they NEVER think about doing something like this again
01:06 schestowitz[TR2]; *reqs
01:07 matey; probably the cia realising how vital techrights is and reenacting the bay of pigs (online version)
01:07 CrystalMath; the retarded gnome, what's his name, Neil McGovern or something? and that has-been, Molly LeBlanc... these people can never be forgiven
01:08 matey; maybe twitter featured tr in everyones feed at once
01:08 matey; #wefighttoo
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; #WeFuntoo
01:09 phanes; CrystalMath: im gathering material to do that in my own way, i need names and logs: abuse@silogroup.org
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01:09 CrystalMath; hi phanes!
01:09 CrystalMath; how's it been?
01:10 phanes; how ya doin? been a while. I've been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest
01:11 phanes; mostly work shit
01:11 phanes; but
01:11 CrystalMath; i'm okay
01:11 phanes; did launch www.abuseonline.org to start documenting the shit that's been going down the last few years
01:11 phanes; need people to use it by sending reports to that abuse@silogroup.org email
01:12 phanes; our old pal matthew garrett gets to be the cornerstone
01:12 matey; phanes: can you think of a recent example of something worthy of a silogroup email?
01:12 matey; i cannot. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
01:13 phanes; matey: its for documenting serial defamation and defamation campaigns
01:13 matey; and the most recent one i know of is from early 2021
01:13 phanes; so these would be actors with a pattern of it that need a timeline presented
01:14 matey; has anything happened since?
01:14 matey; techrights used to cover this stuff
01:14 matey; but sometimes it goes soft
01:14 matey; happens to everyone
01:14 matey; (its not soft on the epo, to be fair)
01:15 phanes; yeah im looking into a prominent dev that had abusers should up to his house to intimidate him into resigning control over a fork of a major piece of software
01:15 phanes; *abusers show up
01:15 matey; youre joking about the intimidate them at home bit, yes?
01:15 matey; like they did to the fox news slimeball?
01:16 phanes; no unfortunately not, they physically attacked him at knife point
01:16 matey; uh what?
01:16 phanes; im still researching it so i dont want to make assertions like that yet
01:16 phanes; i only just got in contact yesterday
01:16 matey; that will be an interesting read
01:16 matey; make sure someone isnt baiting you with nonsense
01:16 phanes; right
01:16 matey; then again the way musescore has been
01:17 matey; hey, did you cover musescore threatening to call ICE on that dev or something?
01:17 matey; it was that shady
01:17 phanes; no, send a report to abuse@silogroup.org
01:17 TR News; FFmpeg 5.1 "Riemann" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167551
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01:17 TR Bot; FFmpeg 5.1 "Riemann" | Tux Machines
01:17 phanes; times, links that prove it, descriptions
01:17 matey; i tyhink there was commentary on github actually
01:18 matey; and if im linking to github, you know theres got to be reason
01:18 matey; as im extremely averse to it
01:18 matey; to a point most would consider absurd
01:18 phanes; no email, no publish
01:19 matey; fair enough
01:19 phanes; or as our occupational forefathers would say: "No ticket, no fix-it"
01:19 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167552
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01:19 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
01:21 TR News; Daniel Stenberg still does not seem to get it; curl helps Microsoft entrap many users and developers and just because Microsoft keeps bribing him in all sorts of ways (several recent examples are shown above all from his blog) doesnt mean its safe to stay there http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
01:21 TR Bot; Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
01:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D300.jpg
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01:22 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D651.jpg
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01:22 DaemonFC; "In March, Rajesh Jha, the executive in charge of Office productivity software and part of the Windows operating system, told his organization to be cautious about opening new roles and to get permission from his leadership team ahead of time."
01:22 DaemonFC; So Office is finally starting to go south too?
01:22 matey; lol
01:23 matey; ive narroed when roy dismissed the stallmansupport website down to april
01:23 matey; so he was ready to "move on" the same month (at least in irc)
01:23 matey; meanwhile of course he continued to publish the latest stats on the support letter-- reasonably so
01:23 matey; the point is-- one was about what he was publishing anyway
01:23 matey; the other wasnt
01:23 matey; thats the difference
01:24 matey; ah, but the support letter was positive
01:24 CrystalMath; matey: what is your point?
01:24 matey; so lets pretend this is about focusing on the positive
01:24 matey; which is what jono bacon used to call for-- one of roys most favouritist people
01:24 MinceR; 23 022242 < DaemonFC> So Office is finally starting to go south too?
01:24 matey; #openwemoveon
01:24 MinceR; starting?
01:24 schestowitz[TR2]; april can be 6 weeks later
01:25 matey; april is the same month whether its 6 weeks or not
01:25 matey; you think the coup stopped being important 6 weeks in?
01:25 matey; we didnt even know half the shit there was to know about it then
01:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it started in march
01:25 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, march 22nd
01:25 matey; you were still downplaying gnomes involvement
01:25 schestowitz[TR2]; not yet set up in microsoftfortress
01:25 schestowitz[TR2]; with typescreipt (mirosoft)
01:25 schestowitz[TR2]; signed by microsofters
01:26 schestowitz[TR2]; but threats against fsf started the following day
01:26 matey; oh, i know what im thinking of
01:26 matey; the letter was in march?
01:26 schestowitz[TR2]; 26th?
01:26 matey; im thinking of the gnu.fools coup.
01:26 schestowitz[TR2]; wednesday iirc
01:26 schestowitz[TR2]; and the rms thing was sunday night?
01:26 matey; the gnu.fools coup was in april
01:26 matey; but still
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; I tried not to give then attention
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; they had some site
01:27 matey; and you treated it as a non-story
01:27 matey; right
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; I never named it, even in videos
01:27 matey; and i said you were downplaying the coup, which you were
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; so debian.coimmunity is going away
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; unless an appeal gets files
01:27 matey; it was a thatcher-like move really
01:27 schestowitz[TR2]; *filed
01:27 phanes; what happened with debian.community?
01:28 phanes; that ties into my pocock inquiry
01:28 matey; right after ibm was ruled against
01:28 matey; he killed the mailing list archive
01:28 matey; its been down ever since
01:28 matey; not the same day
01:28 matey; about a week or maybe week and a half after declaring victory in ibm slapp
01:28 matey; the list still worked shortly after the archive went down
01:29 matey; and afaik hes never mentioned what happened
01:29 *schestowitz[TR2] retires for the night
01:29 matey; pocock has (most likely) given up his crusade, for better or worse
01:29 matey; imo its a mixed bag
01:29 phanes; he said "unless an appeal gets filed"
01:29 phanes; that implies it wasn't his voluntary choice
01:30 matey; what wasnt a voluntary choice
01:30 matey; taking down the mailling list?
01:30 phanes; schestowitz[TR2]so debian.coimmunity is going away
01:30 phanes; schestowitz[TR2]unless an appeal gets files
01:30 matey; oh
01:31 matey; and hes not allowed to say who forced it?
01:31 XRevan86; https://zona.media/translate/2022/07/22/tweet
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01:31 TR Bot; Charged in 40 minutes. Russia's chief investigator orders immediate prosecution of a politician from Siberia over a single antiwar tweet
01:31 matey; i have 3 guesses
01:32 matey; more now
01:32 matey; honestly im not sure i believe this
01:33 matey; pocock HAS given some useful information
01:33 matey; hes also been pretty shit about transparency (even under the circumstances)
01:33 matey; "
01:33 matey; mixed bag" is what i really mean
01:33 matey; but maybe an understatement
01:34 phanes; yeah ive talked to him a few times trying to help the guy and he's even harder to help than roy
01:34 matey; roy doesnt want to be helped
01:35 matey; and pocock is a real mystery to m
01:35 matey; though the easiest way to solve pocock is to be cynical
01:35 matey; i want to be kinder than that fwiw
01:35 matey; id like a better explanation
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01:42 matey; april 5 is the first time crystalmath mentioned stallmansupport i think
01:45 matey; ROFL
01:45 matey; such a gem
01:45 matey; CrystalMath https://stallmansupport.org/renata-avila-trying-to-understand-the-lynching-of-stallman.html Apr 05 22:13
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01:45 matey; schestowitz oh Apr 05 22:13
01:45 matey; schestowitz added as comment Apr 05 22:23
01:45 matey; schestowitz we try not to draw too much attention to this topic anymore Apr 05 22:23
01:45 matey; schestowitz as that would inflame IBM Apr 05 22:23
01:45 TR Bot; Renata Avila: Trying to Understand the Lynching of Stallman | Stallman Support
01:45 matey; schestowitz they already used Fedora on Friday Apr 05 22:23
01:45 matey; now the point is
01:46 matey; on apr 5 someone tried to bring the stallmansupport website to roys attention
01:46 matey; "we fight too" NO YOU DONT
01:46 matey; he dismissed it along bogus (arbitrary, out of his arse) lines
01:46 matey; on apr 5
01:46 matey; but now when someone posts a new article to it he mirrors it
01:47 matey; theres always an excuse, this wont be any different
01:47 matey; but i went through about 3 bullshit meters until i calibrated them (and put the fire out)
01:47 phanes; matey: there's an active effort to suppress the pro-stallman letter because it got twice as many sigs in less time
01:47 phanes; so
01:47 matey; thats not what this is
01:47 phanes; not what i mean
01:47 matey; imo the point is to suppress all supporters
01:47 phanes; he may be trying to avoid an avalanche of being targeted over it if he openly supports it
01:48 matey; youre at the defending roy stage of this
01:48 matey; i welcome you to it, i was there once
01:48 matey; not fair me to let others do what i did
01:48 matey; um, non-english
01:48 matey; not fair of me to not let others do what i did
01:49 matey; i had some real wtf moments and just dismissed them as head scratchers
01:49 matey; for YEARS
01:49 matey; so
01:49 matey; anyway, this is a recurring theme
01:49 matey; with the stallman support website
01:49 matey; with systemd
01:49 matey; with bsd as a solution to systemd
01:49 matey; with the coup
01:50 matey; (now occupation)
01:50 matey; you said you play the long game
01:50 matey; ive spent close to a decade making some points, but stopped when what was saying was becoming obvious to other people
01:51 matey; sometimes you have to leave the arena before people can start making the same points you were making
01:51 matey; id rather not be vindicated though
01:51 matey; id rather be wrong
01:51 matey; so its unfortunate if im not
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01:53 phanes; you also have to bear in mind who is hosting the network. he's gotta stay inside his box or he could compromise his whole effort.
01:54 matey; like i said
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01:55 matey; but the big picture of course is whats happening to free software
01:55 matey; and fuckers rewriting history is a big part of it
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01:55 matey; torvalds himself attacked free software
01:55 matey; as "hate"
01:55 matey; they attacked stallman
01:55 matey; now they marginalise his followers by blaming then for "hero worship"
01:56 matey; standing up against history rewriting, isnt "hero worship"
01:56 matey; its integrity
01:56 matey; they pushed him out of lieplanet
01:56 matey; then they made a separate but equal lieplanet just for stallman
01:56 matey; that was a fucking farce
01:56 matey; everyone was complaining about it, they simply waved it away
01:57 matey; lieplanet is a trojan horse
01:57 matey; they literally control the policy for all public fsf events
01:57 matey; not just the conference
01:58 matey; its not a coup anymore, its an occupation
01:58 matey; you can call it a coup for old times sake
01:58 matey; its just less accurate at this point
01:58 matey; if you look at fsf policy
01:58 matey; fsf policy changes
01:58 matey; the coup never left
01:58 matey; occupations look different than invasions
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
01:59 matey; if you bring the troops home, but enough stay to occupy
01:59 matey; its not oever
01:59 matey; its ongoing
01:59 matey; lieplanet doesnt have only a coc
01:59 matey; they have a coc OATH
02:00 matey; in january, the fsf implemented a similar oath to the board itself
02:00 matey; and deputised the board as a cheerleading squad
02:00 matey; https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HappinessIsMandatory
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02:00 TR Bot; Happiness Is Mandatory - TV Tropes
02:01 matey; dont bully corporations
02:01 matey; valid criticism is bullying
02:01 matey; coporations are people, and real people are people, but corporations are more people than others
02:02 matey; the linux foundation handles instances of criticism of a corporation
02:02 matey; they treat statements about corporations just like statements about people, coc-style
02:02 matey; as the occupation moves forward, the fsf becomes more and more like everything it once stood against
02:02 matey; this. is an ex. parrot.
02:03 matey; and techrights has spent the past 500 days or saying
02:03 matey; NAW, EES JUST RESTING!
02:03 matey; imo if techrights cant say whats actually going on
02:04 matey; then someone else can, and should
02:04 matey; they spent 10 years downplaying systemd
02:04 matey; at least a year downplaying what happened at the fsf
02:05 matey; if we are going to bullshit, why not let the msm do the work
02:05 matey; slight reforms of msm might as well be msm
02:05 matey; theres no evidence of a real "need" to be so careful
02:05 matey; its fence-riding
02:05 matey; lets not put off readers with truth
02:06 matey; we can gradually introduce them to it
02:06 matey; and in 10 years when its all painfully obvious anyway
02:06 matey; we can pretend we didnt spend a decade downplaying the issue
02:06 matey; #wefighttoo
02:08 matey; meanwhile roy constantly brags about how independent and self-hosted tr is
02:08 matey; then he brags about transparency
02:08 matey; okay, so transparency + independence + not downplaying issues
02:08 matey; at least one of those is a lie
02:08 matey; maybe all three
02:09 matey; maybe theyre just three levers moved around constantly, which when manipulated just so, provide a sort of cloaking device
02:10 matey; or its like the ink a squid uses to get away
02:10 matey; you know whats at the centre of it, really?
02:10 matey; nothing. lots and lots of nothing.
02:10 matey; like the box that hirosan brings down in wheel of fish
02:11 matey; for nothing, its a lot
02:11 matey; but for a lot, its nothing.
02:12 matey; a bazillion gajillion plus negative bazillion gajillion = 0
02:13 matey; MINUS the time it takes to figure out youve been had
02:14 matey; theres an old joke, im sure youve seen it
02:15 matey; you attach a string to money with a clip then you put it on the ground
02:15 matey; today its been turned into a meme about jews but most of its history is innocent, so you can decide how important that is
02:15 matey; its not the swastikas fault nazis are idiots either
02:16 matey; most of the laws banning it are being adjusted to compensate for legitimate use. i never supported the ban
02:16 matey; but the thing is, its not money.
02:16 matey; it has no value.
02:16 matey; its just bait.
02:17 matey; you chase after it, and thats why its funny
02:17 matey; in some contexts, things which appear valuable are just there to draw you in
02:17 matey; and thats the entire point of them
02:18 matey; and we all know it, but some instances are very convincing
02:18 matey; so we start to assume they mean something
02:18 matey; sometimes they dont
02:19 matey; but if you ever spot the string-- theres your proof
02:21 matey; roy says its not a string "there was a gust of wind that blew it along the ground"
02:22 matey; its like trying to argue with a guy running a carnival challenge
02:24 matey; ive seen the string. but i just say watch for it
02:25 matey; proving its there is impossible. take a picture: could be doctored
02:25 matey; get a witness: could have alterior motives
02:26 matey; also, there are four lights
02:26 matey; but at one point even started to see a fifth one
02:34 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/the-seamonkey-internet-suite-is-still-developed-is-it-right-for-you/
02:34 TR Bot; The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is still developed. Is it right for you? BaronHK's Rants
02:34 DaemonFC; I compared running Element for Matrix with ChatZilla for IRC.
02:34 DaemonFC; They're two different worlds, of course.
02:35 DaemonFC; "Matrix.org banned me four times in the middle of the night, and with no explanation. They didnt tell me why. It didnt even say I was banned or who did it. Just BAM and my account didnt exist on the server anymore. Ive watched their moderators at work. They designed the protocol to just say people log out and wont be active anymore when it happens. No hint that they were kicked, banned, anything. Being blac
02:35 DaemonFC; k-bagged anonymously is baked into the software."
02:35 DaemonFC; "Being taken out back and knifed caused a major upheaval for me. While I eventually created an account they havent banned, yet, I dont trust Matrix.org to handle my chats anymore.
02:35 DaemonFC; Especially not bridging them into IRC servers that also have their own moderation and policies. I only use IRC clients to handle IRC now so there is no middleman that can censor me and cause me to lose everything, even on other networks.
02:35 DaemonFC; Many people are fleeing Matrix.org and causing the protocol to fragment, as servers that supposedly decentralize and federate mutually ban each other and the whole thing falls apart into an incoherent mess where you need to run multiple tabs of Element, each one consuming hundreds and hundreds of MB of RAM, to deal with the servers warring against each other. Its completely stupid. Someone told me that Matrix.org is just another w
02:36 DaemonFC; ay to say Reddit, but its much worse."
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03:02 DaemonFC; DaemonFCtechrights-newsDaniel Stenberg still does not seem to get it; curl helps Microsoft entrap many users and developers and just because Microsoft keeps bribing him in all sorts of ways (several recent examples are shown above all from his blog) doesnt mean its safe to stay there http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
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03:02 DaemonFC; DaemonFCDon't the SJWs say that the word "crazy" is unacceptable and offensive?
03:02 TR Bot; Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
03:02 DaemonFC; mjg59_: What do you think about Microsoft paying "journalists" to call people "crazy"?
03:04 MinceR; maybe it's like dehomag and "master"
03:04 MinceR; the special people are allowed to use the word
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03:14 DaemonFC; I use wget, not curl.
03:14 DaemonFC; In most cases, wget works fine.
03:29 phanes; DaemonFC: do you have a link about this? ("Microsoft paying "journalists" to call people "crazy"
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03:32 DaemonFC; He says nice things about GitHub on his blog and calls anyone who has issues with GitHub "crazy" and then he gets a shipment of "swag" and a check payable in money from Microsoft.
03:33 DaemonFC; "Say nice things about us and bad things about the FOSS community and you get money and swag!"
03:33 DaemonFC; Of course, it still leaves curl vulnerable to being whacked, like YouTube-DL, and the guy is such a corrupt idiot that he plays it off.
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03:34 DaemonFC; Continues calling people "crazy" if they don't like GitHub.
03:35 DaemonFC; If something is hosted on GitHub, that's a loss for everyone waiting to happen.
03:36 DaemonFC; Only someone who is crazy would use it.
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04:07 AdmFubar; m$ we break printing https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-that-new-windows-updates-may-break-printing/
04:07 TR Bot; Microsoft warns that new Windows updates may break printing
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04:26 matey; 30 seconds into looking into if debian.community will be censored or not
04:26 matey; this appears to be all about the domain name
04:26 matey; personally i think debian is sleazy as fuck for this
04:27 matey; but i have to note that what i read in here earlier really made it sound like the website is going offline
04:27 matey; which it wasnt at all clear about
04:27 matey; and there are actually plans to keep it online (but not at the same domain)
04:27 matey; so either the information i just read on the debian.community website is out of date, or the information i read here is half-arsed
04:28 matey; of course its irc, and if i demanded my money back it could be handed to me-- for free
04:28 matey; still, as part of a pattern of nonsense
04:28 matey; its par for the course
04:29 matey; https://debian.community/what-is-the-price-of-a-debian-domain-name/
=> ↺ https://debian.community/what-is-the-price-of-a-debian-domain-name/
04:29 TR Bot; What is the price of a Debian domain name?
04:30 matey; The volunteers are preparing to execute contingency plans to preserve the site on a new domain.
04:30 matey; " Jul 22, 2022 "
04:30 matey; my opinion is that the facts are not as sensational as... whatever.
04:30 matey; of course i think sometimes pocock may do that too
04:30 matey; if so, theyre really doing him a favour by hitting him with these lawsuits
04:31 matey; because if its a narrative, theyre adding some weight to it
04:31 matey; "Approximately thirty Debian Developers resigned while legal action was in process. Others complain about losing motivation."
04:32 matey; deadian
04:32 matey; theyve done to debian what they did to the fsf
04:32 matey; its ridiculous
04:32 matey; more than 2 years ago i told roy "mention the war"
04:32 matey; he mentions it
04:32 matey; i should have said "cover it properly"
04:33 matey; "More people have become aware of their right to register domain names including the name debian and use them within the limited framework of fair use. Shutting them down will be an expensive game of whack-a-mole."
04:33 matey; criticism and review do fall under fair use (for copyright)
04:33 matey; im no expert on trademarks. im not even a copyright expert, but i know less about trademarks
04:34 matey; i will give them this, debian its a better brand than "we are a bunch of dicks"
04:34 matey; or at least, it used to be.
04:35 matey; Many people in Kosovo have boycotted DebConf. We previously had three women from Kosovo in Google Summer of Code and three more women from the region in Outreachy.
04:35 matey; i never read that on techrights
04:35 matey; more debian people signed the anti-stallman letter than any other group
04:36 matey; what exactly does debian have to do to get roys attention
04:36 matey; according to pocock they basically kill people
04:36 matey; theyre that abusive
04:36 matey; maybe roy doesnt care, i dont know
04:36 matey; i can only guess why he thinks thats not relevant to the free software movement
04:36 matey; the epo is like this
04:36 matey; debian is like the epo
04:36 matey; roy covers a lot of one and a little of the other
04:37 matey; but the comparison? he exposes one and covers for the other one.
04:37 matey; how very EFF-like.
04:37 matey; epo critic, debian shill
04:37 matey; maybe if debian was TWICE as bad as the epo, "we" would consider giving a shit
04:38 matey; im not sure it isnt. but unlike roy-- i dont know enough about the epo to make the comparison. good for him.
04:38 matey; debian developers should unionise
04:38 matey; i know, theyre volunteers
04:39 matey; but theyre being used like slaves
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04:39 matey; riseup participated in the coup, demonstrating something about the fake left that was said nearly 100 years ago
04:40 matey; fuck riseup
04:40 matey; there needs to be a REAL volunteer union
04:40 matey; slaves had countless uprisings against masters
04:41 matey; the fact that they were unpaid and lacked constitutional rights didnt stop them
04:41 matey; it shouldnt stop debian developers either
04:41 matey; of course, many debian developers, and some pretend journalists too
04:41 matey; are what malcolm x called
04:41 matey; ""house negroes"
04:41 matey; they have nicer lives, some even eat meals with the master
04:42 matey; they sleep in the masters house
04:42 matey; malcolm x clarified-- hes not a "house negro"-- hes a field negro
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04:42 matey; they have the same privileges as the people picking cotton
04:42 matey; because they dont sell out their brothers for a little extra comfort
04:43 matey; when the debian field workers stand up for themselves (as a group)
04:44 matey; the debian house workers will flee in shame
04:44 matey; all thats a big if, of course
04:44 matey; riseup is a fraud, a crock of shit
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04:44 matey; it should be called lickboots
04:44 matey; riseup are bootlickers
04:44 matey; house negroes
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04:45 matey; managers in field worker clothing
04:45 matey; frauds
04:45 matey; the people who know whats really going on know how full of shit they are
04:45 matey; i was invited years ago
04:46 matey; i left years ago
04:46 matey; like a decade ago
04:46 matey; what a shame to see the state its in
04:46 matey; fake left
04:46 matey; time for the real left
04:46 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/
=> ↺ https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/
04:46 TR Bot; Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? BaronHK's Rants
04:46 matey; when the real left shows up
04:47 DaemonFC; "In fact, I was recently banned from a NSFW room on a Discord server, of all places, for saying that male circumcision was basically a waste of money, and had no merit. The debate devolved into a free-for-all where I was slandered, without evidence, as an anti-vaxxer (nope), and an AIDS denier (hardly.Im a gay man and I know all too well what people are going through with HIV,...
04:47 DaemonFC; ...knowing at...
04:47 DaemonFC; ...least 8 people with it, although not having it myself), and all sorts of other things.
04:47 DaemonFC; I brought up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation experimenting on Black African people with it, by (lying and) promising that it would make them totally immune. 12 million snip and releases later. (They make it sound like theyre running a trap-neuter-return program for feral cats. Dont you love the racism?) HIV/AIDS is still one of the major problems plaguing the continent.
04:47 matey; all these social justice frauds will be like the television preachers if jesus actually came back
04:47 DaemonFC; There are no conclusive studies showing that male circumcision lowers the risk of HIV/AIDS. What lowers the risk of HIV/AIDS and where the money should be spent, are preventive measures such as condoms and PrEP medication, which work.
04:47 DaemonFC; The racist Gates Foundation and racists in the US federal government arent the only ones to spout this HIV/AIDS prevention bullshit as it pertains to Male Genital Mutilation. My mom told me it lowered the risk of HIV many years ago when I complained that I was circumcised as an infant without my consent. That couldnt possibly be why they did it. They had only isolated the virus that...
04:47 DaemonFC; ...causes...
04:47 DaemonFC; ...AIDS 15 months before I was born in 1984. People had little idea what spread it or what might protect against or prevent it. Paranoia was rampant. There wasnt even a drug that people who had it could take. The first one wouldnt be out for another three years. You cant tell me that anyone knew anything about what circumcision may or may not do in 1984 as it pertains to HIV/AIDS....
04:47 DaemonFC; ...Dont...
04:47 DaemonFC; ...even try!
04:47 DaemonFC; The simple truth about circumcision was that religious fundamentalists wanted to ruin your sex life and the whole idea was basically thought up by the guy who invented the lamest breakfast cereal ever, Corn Flakes. John Harvey Kellogg."
04:47 matey; "oh, uh, hey look what weve been doing!"
04:48 matey; "We want to ask the question: was it worth the cost to Debian? The same material will continue to be published on other domains and web sites anyway.
04:49 matey; "doesnt sound like pocock intends to take this lying down
04:49 matey; of course i dont know, what i said about him earlier is true
04:49 matey; heres the update ive been waiting for
04:50 matey; Frans Pop Debian Day suicide, Ubuntu, Google and the DEP-5 machine-readable copyright file
04:50 matey; Volunteers have scoured the debian-private (leaked) gossip network looking for further evidence about the Frans Pop "Debian Day" suicide.
04:50 matey; Yet the evidence is not there. It is in broad daylight on the debian-project mailing list.
04:51 matey; Saturday, 21 August 2010 Colin Watson (Ubuntu) sends a message on debian-private trying to undermine the significance of the phrase his main concern was his work for Debian. Ubuntu is trying to avoid responsibility for the death.
04:52 DaemonFC; I'm not sure how circumcision ruins your sex life.
04:52 DaemonFC; Everyone I know who is circumcised still really likes to have sex.
04:52 DaemonFC; People were even stranger back then, I suppose.
04:53 matey; Colin Watson <- part of the coup too
04:53 matey; and roy says ubuntu is microsoft
04:53 matey; he says systemd is microsoft (though he doesnt say why this is news)
04:53 matey; "its more obvious now" (he never said why)
04:54 matey; i guess its so obvious, one would just know
04:54 matey; you Just Know
04:54 matey; Friday, 13 August 2010 Lars Wirzenius announces he is going to join forces with Colin Watson (Ubuntu) and together they will push people to create machine-readable copyright files (DEP-5).
04:54 matey; Lars Wirzeniu <- also coup
04:55 matey; Sunday, 15 August 2010 Frans Pop sends his resignation email. In hindsight, it was a suicide note.
04:55 matey; i know some people simply commit suicide.
04:55 matey; it happens. it doesnt always means theres a guilty party
04:55 matey; it also happens due to abuse
04:55 matey; the same people who used the coc to silence stallman
04:56 DaemonFC; It can happen due to any number of reasons.
04:56 matey; may have violated it enough to push someone to suicide
04:56 DaemonFC; Having had ample time to think about and consider it, I've come up with a lot.
04:56 matey; things that give corporations more power than volunteers are in and of themselves abuse
04:56 matey; but the abuse doesnt stop there
04:56 matey; and these people are the worst type of hypocrite
04:56 DaemonFC; Social isolation / Social exclusion / Rejection by loved ones / Relationship failure / terminal illness / boredom / despair
04:56 matey; policing microaggressions while they push people off proverbial cliffs
04:57 matey; debian isnt a gnu/linux distro
04:57 matey; debian is digitised hypocristy
04:57 DaemonFC; I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people do it.
04:57 matey; fucking keyboard
04:57 DaemonFC; Some of them watch their investment accounts get wiped out in a stock market crash.
04:57 matey; but whatever
04:57 DaemonFC; They don't even spend much time considering it.
04:57 DaemonFC; How they still have a home and a family and a car and a job, and they can recover someday.
04:58 matey; "Remarkably, Colin Watson from Ubuntu was one of the people who went to Frans' funeral. Watson had tried to diminish suggestions that Debian was a factor in the suicide. We attach the funeral report below. Perhaps he was scouting for any people or information that may tarnish Ubuntu or connect them to the pressure on Frans Pop.
04:58 matey; "
04:58 DaemonFC; Ultimately, suicidal people can't tell the difference between what they're going through now, and what could happen if they spend some time trying to solve their problem.
04:58 matey; i appreciate that there may be another side to the story
04:58 matey; there often is
04:59 matey; but techrights is afraid of this one
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04:59 DaemonFC; The terminally ill don't see how they could use the time they have left, and dying now just sort of speeds things along. They spent their whole life trying not to die.
04:59 matey; they could actually publish a rebuttal, if there is one.
04:59 DaemonFC; Then they get told they might die next year.
04:59 DaemonFC; Suddenly they have to die now!
04:59 matey; the abuse at debian continues
04:59 matey; or maybe what i personally saw of it was all there is
04:59 matey; and pocock is nuts
04:59 DaemonFC; The thought may not even occur to them that the doctor may be wrong, or the lab may have sent the doctor someone else's lab results, or fucked up theirs.
05:00 matey; i want to know why techrights doesnt think this is important
05:00 matey; but then, hey
05:00 matey; i already know the score with that
05:00 matey; another day, another excuse
05:00 DaemonFC; There's a reason why the doctors usually run HIV tests 2-3 times before they tell someone they're certain they have HIV.
05:00 DaemonFC; Labs screw up.....all the time.
05:00 matey; debians p.r. office, right here
05:01 matey; A REUSE-compliant project makes the jobs of legal experts and compliance officers much easier.
05:01 matey; What Lars, Colin, Ubuntu and FSFE are telling us is that we have to complete 20,000 hours of unpaid work to make life easier for some highly paid lawyers in large tech companies.
05:02 matey; free software has turned into slave labour
05:02 matey; open source is what transformed it into that
05:02 matey; esr is a genius alright
05:02 matey; hes got to be the most dumbfuck genius on the planet
05:02 DaemonFC; https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/jesse-white-extending-drivers-license-id-deadline-until-december/ar-AAZSnRl?li=BBnbfcL
05:02 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MSN
05:02 DaemonFC; Last time he said he was only extending it through August and it would absolutely be the last time.
05:02 matey; you have to wonder wtf is in perens head
05:03 matey; to treat this with such kid gloves
05:03 matey; just say pocock is nuts
05:03 matey; if hes nuts, the rest of this is easier
05:03 matey; of course, if hes not
05:03 matey; then you just did it to stallman again
05:03 matey; these days, pocock does more to fight for freedom than stallman does
05:03 matey; you read that correctly.
05:03 matey; these days, pocock does more to fight for freedom than stallman does.
05:04 matey; and compared to pocock-- roy does
05:04 matey; NOTHING.
05:04 matey; like the fsf
05:04 matey; BUT! theres a caveat with that comparison.
05:04 matey; pocock may still be fake / wrong.
05:04 matey; and the comparison is conditional on him not being full of shit
05:04 matey; so good luck with that one roy.
05:06 matey; https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
=> ↺ https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
05:06 TR Bot; Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements forthe Debian packages.
05:06 matey; debian has been exploiting volunteers to offload costs for a decade
05:06 matey; deb-sploitation
05:07 matey; im ashamed to have ever supported them
05:07 matey; debian isnt free software
05:07 matey; its slave software
05:08 matey; More significantly, some people feared that this outbreak of bureaucracy would deter new people from joining the Debian community. Debian would descend from a community of experts to a community of mediocre form-fillers. https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
=> ↺ https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
05:08 matey; roy clearly isnt convinced this is important
05:08 matey; maybe pocock is a fraud
05:08 matey; great. so expose him.
05:09 matey; or maybe hes not. great. so explain why this stuff isnt important.
05:09 matey; go ahead.
05:09 matey; why is it not okay for the epo to do it
05:09 matey; but debian gets a pass
05:09 matey; its increasingly clear that the way people are treated at the epo
05:09 matey; at least inspires how people have been treated at debian for more than a decade
05:09 matey; i guess roys too smart to mix these up
05:10 matey; great!
05:10 matey; help us understand.
05:10 matey; but i guess its more important if the epo does it
05:10 matey; after all-- as roy said
05:10 matey; with the epo, tr can BREAK STORIES
05:10 matey; i dont think thats the only important thing here
05:10 matey; it certainly shouldnt be.
05:12 matey; Subject: Re: Death of Frans Pop - funeral report
05:12 matey; Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:45:43 +0100
05:12 matey; From: Steve McIntyre
05:12 matey; To: debian-private@lists.debian.orgSteve McIntyre <- coup
05:13 matey; "Ironically, one of the proponents of CUT, Asheesh Laroia, who also uses the alias Paul Proteus"
05:13 matey; ive seen that name somewhere too
05:14 matey; Asheesh Laroia <- coup https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
=> ↺ https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
05:14 TR Bot; Is LibrePlanet Safe?
05:15 matey; theres overlap between the stallman cancellers and the debian slavedrivers
05:15 matey; but "we move on"
05:15 matey; debian kills
05:15 matey; stallman emails
05:15 matey; debian lies, people die
05:15 matey; stallman tells the truth, he gets tortured
05:16 matey; techrights says "we move on"
05:16 matey; someday im going to get the idea that techrights IS WITH the fucking coup
05:16 matey; colin watson (signed) downplays what debian did
05:16 matey; techrights downplays what colin watson did
05:17 matey; someone explain this so im wrong, please
05:17 matey; say which part is untrue and why
05:17 matey; id love to know
05:17 matey; maybe name should be "techdies"
05:17 matey; because the longer techrights fights
05:18 matey; the more debian slaves die with no justice
05:18 matey; not even a mention
05:18 matey; not even a mention
05:18 matey; "we move on"
05:18 matey; thats great
05:18 matey; enjoy your retirement in your early 40s
05:18 matey; while you cover for debian treating people exactly like the epo does
05:19 matey; house negro
05:19 matey; who else signed with asheesh
05:19 matey; Deb Nicholson
05:20 matey; Neil McGovern
05:20 matey; Paul R. Tagliamonte <- dpl
05:20 matey; Stefano Zacchiroli <- dpl
05:20 matey; this wasnt the stallman letter
05:20 matey; this was the coups opening act https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
=> ↺ https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
05:20 TR Bot; Is LibrePlanet Safe?
05:21 matey; all to take down stallman
05:21 matey; they may have killed some other developers first
05:21 matey; theres another name on there, which needs no introduction
05:21 matey; debian is a sweatshop
05:21 matey; debian is a fucking sweatshop
05:22 matey; "we move on"
05:22 matey; fuck perens too, hes a dickless wonder
05:22 matey; im tired of these hypocrites
05:22 matey; perens is a coward
05:23 matey; if he had any integrity he would be calling this shit out
05:23 matey; maybe he signed an nda
05:23 matey; he and stallman should start a club
05:23 matey; "founders who dont say shit because of previous obligations that have turned against them"
05:23 matey; whatever
05:24 matey; they only serve as reverse canaries
05:24 matey; you know, youre supposed to worry when they stop tweeting
05:25 matey; even if theyre not dead
05:25 matey; but i guess "we move on" from that too
05:25 matey; and anything else that isnt a fucking "scoop"
05:25 matey; thats a pretty goddamned lazy way to figure out whats important to say
05:26 matey; but if its not really about journalism
05:26 matey; if its just a contest for pageviews and the image of whatever
05:26 matey; i guess its good enough
05:27 matey; the debian slavekillers also cancelled stallman
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05:27 matey; just saying
05:27 matey; same people
05:27 matey; debian: we turn free software into slave software
05:28 matey; and we dont like people who tell the truth
05:28 matey; please roy, shill for us!
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05:28 matey; "cant, busy writing about some europeans doing the same shit youre doing!"
05:28 matey; "its a SCOOP!"
05:29 matey; alex gravely: not epo
05:29 matey; maybe he is, maybe thats a scoop too
05:29 matey; how does debian always get a pass? and by always i mean
05:29 matey; only the WORST shit they do gets a pass
05:30 britney; ugh matey
05:30 matey; ugh is a good word for it
05:31 matey; i realise you meant something else
05:32 britney; yeah the scrollback is like a mile long because of you
05:33 matey; only like 1% of it is cut and pasted (mostly single lines quoted)
05:33 britney; you certainly know how to write a wall of text
05:33 britney; im not going back to read it all
05:33 matey; one of the hallmarks of a sweatshop (the sort that makes people organise) is an unusual number of deaths
05:34 matey; im not going back to read it all <- i wouldnt dream of anyone doing so
05:34 britney; then why do you do it
05:34 britney; you're worse than DaemonFC's walls of text
05:34 britney; at least he does paragraphs
05:34 matey; im going to be obtuse here-- did you want me to try to add blank lines?
05:35 britney; are you diagnosed as being autistic?
05:35 matey; are you assuming one needs to be autistic to rant about something?
05:35 matey; have you ever seen an american filibuster?
05:35 britney; no but autistic people usually craft giant walls of text
05:36 matey; its only a wall because blank lines are not generally native to irc
05:36 matey; nor are paragraphs in any more
05:36 matey; form
05:37 matey; if i share something from irc with a friend, i add paragraphs or something like it
05:38 britney; ok
05:38 britney; im just going to assume you're autistic
05:39 matey; youre free to do so
05:40 matey; i get along well enough with (some) autistic people
05:40 britney; im autistic
05:40 matey; do i get a pin or something?
05:40 matey; ah, cool
05:40 britney; no
05:40 matey; thats ok, i dont love pins
05:40 britney; lol
05:40 matey; sometimes they look good but theyre physically annoying to wear
05:40 britney; you get my respect
05:41 matey; theres a first time for everything
05:41 britney; autism master race
05:41 matey; i really feel that should have a pin or something
05:41 matey; but as i said, i wouldnt enjoy wearing it
05:41 britney; lol
05:42 matey; they sometimes put wreaths over winners of olympic-style competitions
05:42 matey; the asan logo reminds me of a wreath...
05:42 phanes; why are so many people on irc autistic lol
05:43 phanes; i never understood that
05:43 matey; irc was developed so autistic people could talk to each other
05:43 DaemonFC; https://www.thedailybeast.com/infamous-cult-leader-gazi-kodzo-arrested-after-dead-body-found-in-home
05:43 TR Bot; Gazi Kodzo, Infamous Cult Leader, Arrested After Dead Body Found in Home
05:43 phanes; wasn't it a demilitarized protocol
05:43 phanes; id have to check the history there
05:43 matey; if so im even more scared that these people have access to nuclear weapons
05:43 DaemonFC; The black dude from those "white people owe us reparations" videos was arrested for aggravated sodomy, two counts of conspiracy to commit a felony, two counts of false imprisonment, two counts of kidnapping, two counts of aggravated assault, and two counts of criminal street gang activity after police found a dead body in his house.
05:44 matey; stallman license to be autistic was revoked https://www.mail-archive.com/libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org/msg04760.html
=> ↺ https://www.mail-archive.com/libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org/msg04760.html
05:44 TR Bot; Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?
05:45 matey; "well take the niggers and the jews but we dont want the irish!"-- blazing saddles
05:45 matey; "well take the transgenders and the two black women but we dont want the aspies!"-- new fsf
05:46 matey; in fairness, theres some overlap between the trans and the autists
05:46 matey; but i think that misses the point
05:47 matey; we dont want the trouble-making aspies"
05:47 matey; "we want the ones that fall in line"
05:47 matey; "black people are welcome. we dont want the ANGRY black people"
05:47 matey; "which angry black people"
05:47 matey; "the ones who make trouble"
05:47 matey; "why not?"
05:47 matey; "they make trouble"
05:47 matey; "for whom?"
05:48 matey; "our sponsors"
05:48 matey; "ah, i see"
05:48 matey; "didnt they leave anyway?"
05:48 matey; "yes! we want them back!"
05:48 matey; considering how much time the fsf ran on grants stallman received (or so i heard the other day)
05:49 matey; i wonder if he was the biggest donor ever until around the time he was cancelled
05:49 matey; can a founder be bought out? (like against his will?)
05:49 britney; in fairness, theres some overlap between the trans and the autists
05:49 britney; yeah 25% of trans people have autism
05:49 britney; I'm autistic and trans
05:49 matey; cool
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05:55 matey; lately ive been on a bit of a kick try to understand some of the finer details of being trans
05:56 matey; not surgery or hrt, but a little bit of-- frankly, everything else
05:56 matey; im just stating this. i dont go around interviewing people about ut
05:56 matey; as i understand it, lots of people do
05:56 matey; "omg! whats blah blah blah like?"
05:57 britney; i've had surgery and i've been on hrt since 2017
05:57 matey; cool
05:57 matey; i had a hard time understanding the whole idea for many years
05:57 matey; i REALLY DID WANT to understand but i just didnt
05:57 britney; mostly you experience a lot of haters
05:58 matey; so it wasnt hate, but i didnt "get" it
05:58 britney; yeah
05:58 matey; then a friend of mine, fairly close
05:58 matey; who i ALWAYS KNEW AS (and he preferred i know him as) a dude
05:58 matey; came out as trans
05:58 matey; so it reached this point where i was like
05:58 matey; ok, normally i would (through no wish of mine) probably revert to thinking-- something fairly misunderstanding
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 281.06
05:59 matey; but i would still call him whatever he liked
05:59 matey; of course
05:59 matey; only thats not what happened
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05:59 matey; instead, i realised heres a guy i always knew as a guy
05:59 matey; and despite him telling me what i now know about his assignment at birth
05:59 matey; its just not relevant to me
06:00 matey; it doesnt change my understanding of him
06:00 matey; at all
06:00 matey; this was the first time i "got it" and i was very happy
06:00 matey; and people can say whatever they want about it-- but to me, hes always been / always will be a dude
06:11 matey; btw britney youre the first autist to diagnose me as one, so ill take it as a compliment
06:11 matey; in most instances ill take "one of us!" as a compliment, except when its for recruiting purposes. then it depends.
06:12 britney; :)
06:12 matey; but autists dont usually recruit, so
06:12 britney; we're planning world domination
06:12 matey; i have mixed feelings about this
06:13 britney; part of that is understanding who currently controls the world: reptilians and neanderthals do
06:13 matey; better you than the reptilians at least
06:13 matey; just so we are clear-- youre not joking?
06:13 DaemonFC; Seems like Mozilla completely stopped using NNTP Newsgroups in March 2021.
06:13 DaemonFC; Now they're on some GULAG Workspace.
06:13 britney; matey, joking about what?
06:14 matey; i withdraw the question
06:14 matey; is this david ickes reptilians or a competing theory?
06:14 britney; david ickes
06:14 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/
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06:14 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations
06:14 matey; i wont lie, the neanderthals portion of this is new to me
06:14 britney; DaemonFC, to be fair, only the insane still use NNTP
06:14 DaemonFC; To people who were always using Google Groups, it doesn't look much different.
06:15 DaemonFC; But now GULAG is in control of the whole thing.
06:15 matey; and im not HUGELY familiar with the reptilians part either, except its been called anti-semitic
06:15 DaemonFC; britneyDaemonFC, to be fair, only the insane still use NNTP
06:15 DaemonFC; Why?
06:15 matey; (but so was campbell and theres absolutely nothing about campbell that i can think of being anti-semitic)
06:15 britney; matey, the neanderthals are in a hive mind computation cluster (a super computer)
06:16 matey; a super computer cluster
06:16 britney; oh these reptilians are literally reptilians, they aren't an allegory for jews
06:16 matey; thats nice to know
06:16 britney; the reptilians I talk about are evolved dinosaurs from a parallel dimension
06:17 matey; /me tries to imagine how icke could figure this out
06:17 britney; icke's reptilians come from another planet
06:17 matey; his powers of deduction are-- not the typical calibre
06:18 matey; so the relationship between the reptilians and the neaderthals is what
06:18 matey; how do they work together
06:18 britney; enemies
06:18 matey; or are they competing factions
06:18 matey; oka
06:18 matey; are the neanderthals good? probably not if they rule the world
06:18 britney; they both want to run the world and are playing us like a game of chess
06:19 matey; right, yeah thats a dick move on their part
06:20 britney; neanderthals control us remotely using the medulla oblongata, reptilians control us through the media
06:20 matey; i take it they have very different approaches to world domin
06:20 matey; you clearly anticipated my question. or i your answer. or both.
06:21 matey; so the reptilians use the media, thats straightforward enough
06:21 matey; by what mechanism does a supercomputer hivemind control the medulla oblongata
06:21 matey; electromagnetic waves?
06:21 matey; quantum entanglement? unknown?
06:22 britney; quantum entanglement
06:22 matey; (gravity beam?)
06:22 britney; the neanderthals are under ground, in the moho discontinuity
06:22 britney; reptilians mind control people using the moon
06:23 britney; the moon is a hollow space ship
06:23 matey; thats awesome
06:24 matey; wonderous is our great blue ship that sails around the mighty sun, bringing joy to everyone who rides along (except mincer)
06:24 britney; the reptilians are heating the planet because lizards like it warm
06:24 matey; (and most of hungary, and probably swaths of ukraine, any number of people in africa, most of north korea)
06:25 britney; more warm, more insects to eat
06:25 matey; for the reptilians
06:26 britney; they're putting crickets in our food
06:26 matey; is that bad?
06:26 britney; honestly, i don't know
06:26 matey; (its not kosher i can tell you that)
06:26 britney; i want to try some crickets
06:26 matey; (crickets will never be kosher)
06:27 matey; i think stallman tried them once
06:27 britney; like you can get something called "cricket flour" and make brownies, they'd probably taste the same as regular brownies
06:27 matey; oh yeah
06:27 matey; its an important staple in freefall
06:28 matey; because they havent got wheat yet, and theyre terraforming the moon or something
06:28 britney; i'd probably even be brave enough to eat chocolate covered crickets
06:28 matey; freefall.purrsia.com/
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06:31 matey; ill have to read more about what david icke says
06:32 matey; for a minute i almost got him mixed up with the pyramids guy
06:32 matey; who has a completely different name, whatever it is
06:33 phanes; isn't quantum entanglement just a pick-up line?
06:33 britney; matey, u can download some David Icke books for free of the pirate bay
06:34 britney; "The biggest secret" is the one on reptilians
06:34 matey; for free of the pirate bay <- :)
06:34 britney; for free on the pirate bay
06:34 britney; lol
06:34 matey; i have never downloaded a book from the pirate bay
06:35 matey; i have downloaded a COUPLE books
06:35 matey; via "other means"
06:35 matey; i bet theres enough stuff on youtube to keep me abreast with the pyramid bill gates and elon musk vy for the top of
06:35 britney; woot woot
06:35 britney; here you go buddy: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/conspiracy/David%20Icke%20-%20The%20Biggest%20Secret.pdf
=> ↺ https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/conspiracy/David%20Icke%20-%20The%20Biggest%20Secret.pdf
06:36 matey; and hes not the pyramid guy i was thinking of
06:36 britney; the entire book for free from https
06:36 matey; but i guess icke has a pyramid too
06:37 matey; btw how long have you been to this channel? new, or
06:37 matey; been here a few years?
06:37 britney; ummm
06:37 britney; i was here like 10 years ago
06:37 matey; that counts
06:37 britney; i was on the first episode of techbytes
06:37 matey; i first met roy about 10 years ago, but im the only one of us that can point to the evidence of that (and i dont)
06:38 matey; tell me about the first episode of techbytes
06:38 matey; im sure its online-- but what was your segment about
06:38 britney; i was a fedora ambassador at the time so i talked about fedora
06:38 matey; i wont lie, i passionately hate it
06:38 matey; but a lot of that is because of ibm
06:38 britney; you hate the podcast?
06:38 matey; i hate fedora
06:38 britney; oh fedora
06:39 britney; i switched from fedora to arch linux for the memes
06:39 matey; lol
06:39 britney; i use arch btw
06:39 matey; i think i tried a couple arch derivs
06:39 matey; maybe even 10 years ago
06:39 matey; it was more usable than i expected but i dont like rolling release
06:40 britney; arch linux now has a thing called "archinstall"
06:40 matey; whats it do
06:40 britney; its a TUI installer
06:40 matey; oh hey
06:40 britney; it helps you install arch
06:41 matey; how did you become a fedora ambassador
06:41 matey; /me thinks it should be called "fedora ambassadora"
06:41 britney; i signed up on their website after i had been hanging out in #fedora-kde on freenode
06:42 matey; though people would take it less seriously then
06:42 britney; lol!
06:42 matey; are you familiar with daniel pocock, and if so, do you have any opinion about him
06:42 britney; the name sounds vaguely familiar
06:43 britney; i don't have any opinion
06:43 matey; he got sued for a website called "wemakefedora" by ibm
06:43 matey; he won the lawsuit
06:43 matey; thats the fedora connection
06:43 britney; oh shit eh
06:43 matey; hes a controversial figure here-- and pretty much everywhere he goes
06:44 britney; its probably a good thing that I stopped using fedora
06:44 matey; if someone told me they moved from fedora to arch
06:44 matey; id probably consider it at least an improvement
06:44 britney; i like having updates every day
06:44 matey; if i had to use one of the two, id probably choose arch
06:44 britney; what distro do you use now?
06:45 matey; i dont, bsd
06:45 britney; oh swank
06:45 matey; and its hilarious they consider those distros
06:45 britney; which BSD do you use?
06:45 matey; because i know theyre not GNU/LINUX distros
06:45 matey; but the d stands for "distribution" ffs
06:45 britney; they're BSD distros
06:45 matey; then theyre say "we arent a distro"
06:45 matey; no, the reject the term! but its in the freaking acronym!
06:45 britney; Berkley Software Distribution = BSD
06:46 matey; its like if i met "blessed union of souls" backstage
06:46 matey; and i said "what kind of souls are you?"
06:46 matey; and they said "we arent souls, we reject the term"
06:46 britney; what BSD do you use?
06:46 matey; and im like: ??
06:46 matey; netbsd and openbsd
06:46 matey; mostly the latter
06:46 britney; theres like OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD
06:46 britney; helloSystem
06:46 matey; yeahs theres a bunch
06:47 matey; most are based on github, ill call all of those microsoftbsd
06:47 britney; ravynOS
06:47 matey; ravynOS - Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD.
06:48 matey; :/
06:48 matey; GitHub - ravynsoft/ravynos: A BSD-based OS project that aims to provide ...
06:48 matey; im not sure thats freedom
06:48 britney; is github really a deal breaker for you?
06:48 matey; as much as it possibly can be
06:48 matey; i spent years getting away from microsoft
06:49 matey; then everybody is like "okay! lets all move in here?"
06:49 matey; and then microsoft buys it
06:49 britney; freebsd doesnt use github
06:49 britney; https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
=> ↺ https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
06:49 matey; and like 200,000 projects leave
06:49 TR Bot; src - FreeBSD source tree
06:49 matey; and the rest... stayed?
06:49 matey; yeah but https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
=> ↺ https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
06:49 matey; a couple things about that
06:49 matey; first, too many mirrors (i dont count true mirrors-- theres an openbsd mirror)
06:50 matey; too many "mirrors" turn into the primary development repo
06:50 britney; Do you use openBSD?
06:50 matey; yes
06:50 britney; you know whats really weird?
06:50 matey; specifically?
06:50 britney; if I install openbsd and enable xenodm, xorg works
06:50 britney; but
06:51 britney; if i install openbsd and disable xenodm, xorg doesnt work
06:51 matey; yeah because xenocara is their xorg fork
06:51 matey; when you say "xorg doesnt work"
06:51 matey; do you mean you cant start it at all?
06:51 britney; i run startx and it says it can't find a display
06:51 matey; that was not my experience
06:51 britney; its so weird
06:51 matey; however
06:52 matey; in some instances, if xorg.conf cant be automatically
06:52 matey; you may need to add a line or two to xorg conf
06:52 britney; this is in gnome boxes btw
06:52 matey; something an arch user and former fedora user is definitely up to the task of
06:52 matey; this is in gnome boxes btw <- ah
06:53 matey; i consider any gui in qemu a miracle
06:53 matey; because for some distros it isnt-- but for many it is
06:53 britney; my freebsd install "Just Works(TM)"
06:53 matey; i tried freebsd first
06:53 matey; i tried to install it on every computer i had
06:53 matey; my first impressions were good
06:53 matey; but when it didnt work on some machines
06:53 matey; i tried netbsd next
06:54 britney; i install freebsd, pkg install xfce and add startxfce4 to my .xinitrc and it all just works fine
06:54 matey; and it was more reliable across my collection
06:54 matey; but one machine refused to work properly (or even install properly) except with openbsd
06:54 matey; and tbh, i saved openbsd for last because i anticipated the most trouble with it
06:54 britney; freebsd even has vscode which is odd
06:54 matey; ew
06:54 matey; no everything has vscode now
06:55 matey; it will be in our toilets soon
06:55 britney; lol
06:55 matey; (which is where it belongs)
06:55 britney; i kinda like vscode
06:55 matey; it burns it burns
06:55 britney; lol
06:55 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/ was written in vscode
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06:55 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations
06:55 matey; ill tell you what vscode is
06:56 britney; whats better than vscode? dont say vim
06:56 matey; vs code is when you used to date windows
06:56 matey; vim is microsoft <- recursive acronym
06:56 britney; lol vim is microsoft?
06:56 matey; vs code is when you used to date windows, and you break up
06:56 matey; vim is microsoft https://github.com/vim/vim
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06:57 TR Bot; - vim/vim: The official Vim repository
06:57 matey; monopoly is bad!
06:57 britney; oh because of github lol
06:57 matey; vs code is when you used to date windows, and you break up for YEARS
06:57 matey; and then out of nowhere your ex shows up and says "ive changed! im a CODE EDITOR!"
06:57 matey; doesnt fool me, vs code is fucking windows in code editor form
06:57 matey; no, no, no, no, no
06:57 britney; i only started using vscode because a Golang tutorial I was watching used it
06:58 matey; /me blames golang, even though its the tutorials fault
06:58 matey; hi im google-- use windows!
06:58 matey; so many reasons not to trust
06:58 britney; i haven't used windows in years
06:58 matey; now with vscode you dont have to
06:58 britney; i was using macOS from 2013 to 2020
06:59 matey; does it let you turn off updates?
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06:59 matey; i was using macOS from 2013 to 2020 <- you have some strange habits
06:59 britney; lol
06:59 britney; i had a macbook pro
07:00 matey; ive heard less than wonderful things about the new ones
07:01 britney; the screen stopped working in 2020 and i got a refurbished dell from 2013
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07:01 matey; the screen stopped working in 2020 <- wow
07:01 britney; 2020 to 2022 - fedora
07:01 britney; June 2022 - arch linux
07:01 matey; and you just switched to
07:01 matey; yeah
07:01 matey; so you used fedora 10 years ago
07:01 matey; then macos
07:01 matey; then fedora
07:01 matey; then arch
07:01 britney; yeah
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07:04 matey; whats the best thing about moving from fedora to arch
07:04 matey; other than daily updates!
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07:04 britney; the speed
07:04 britney; it feels a lot faster than fedora
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07:04 DaemonFC; https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/direct3d-to-vulkan-layer-dxvk-version-1102-is-up-with-lots-of-fixes/
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07:04 DaemonFC; This is in updates-testing.
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07:04 DaemonFC; Might try it out in a bit.
07:04 matey; it feels a lot faster than fedora <- that doesnt surprise me
07:04 matey; when i put debsploitation on a machine in an office once
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07:05 matey; they were complaining that their windows machine was very slow
07:05 matey; and they said i could do whatever i wanted
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07:05 matey; and i asked what tasks they do
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07:05 matey; so this was a rare instance where i could put anything on there and no one would care
07:05 DaemonFC; Fedora seems to perform better than Debian on this laptop.
07:06 DaemonFC; Not surprising. I had a lot of things complaining about my graphics drivers on Debian.
07:06 matey; i put debsploitation on there and the girl (well, shes a mum) hugged me and said
07:06 matey; "its so much faster!"
07:06 DaemonFC; Although it mostly worked.
07:06 matey; this was the lxde version
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07:08 DaemonFC; Something destroyed my copy of Fallout New Vegas.
07:08 DaemonFC; Oh well.
07:08 DaemonFC; I'll fix it later.
07:09 matey; graham hancock
07:09 matey; the pyramid guy
07:09 britney; matey, nice
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07:13 matey; "His information is mostly correct" https://allreligionsareone.org/David%20Icke.html
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07:13 TR Bot; David Icke
07:13 matey; im not necessarily agreeing with the source, only noting what it says
07:13 matey; that website seems like a cross between a conspiracy website and tvtropes
07:13 matey; conspiracy tropes
07:14 matey; funnily enough, many years ago i considered making an online encyclopedia of stuff like that
07:14 matey; mostly about religions and cults
07:14 matey; today it would probably be redundant
07:17 phanes; man that was a bullshit outage
07:19 matey; hi phanes
07:19 phanes; sup
07:20 matey; https://debian.community
07:20 TR Bot; Debian Community News
07:20 phanes; why the hell am i doing major changes on a friday
07:20 matey; updates july 22
07:20 phanes; this is retarded
07:20 matey; s/s//
07:20 phanes; anyway i dont understand the context for debian.community because nobody answers me when i ask about it
07:21 matey; ask me
07:21 matey; ill tell you whatever i know
07:21 matey; and ill admit whatever i dont
07:21 phanes; yeah gimme a sec, i need to be drinking
07:21 matey; good idea (ill wait)
07:22 phanes; hell yeah i got two half finished bottled of balvenie doublewood
07:22 phanes; *bottles
07:23 phanes; anwyay so whts the scoop on this pocock guy, like how did this start
07:24 matey; i dont know how it started
07:24 matey; i can bring you in where i came in
07:24 matey; hes a debian / fedora guy afaik
07:25 matey; he was a dd but got busted down to dm (other way around?) which he says was retaliatory
07:25 matey; roy has republished him, ariadne hates him
07:25 matey; mjg seethes pure hate you can feel over plaintext for him
07:26 matey; i dont think its my imagination but it cant be ruled out of course
07:26 TR News; FFmpeg 5.1 Riemann LTS Released with VDPAU AV1 Hardware Acceleration, New Filters Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167553
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07:26 TR Bot; FFmpeg 5.1 Riemann LTS Released with VDPAU AV1 Hardware Acceleration, New Filters | Tux Machines
07:26 matey; i dont think mjg usually seethes anything, so this is notable
07:26 matey; like how superman is suddenly way less cool when you bring kryptonite around
07:27 matey; but there are times even i think he goes too far
07:27 matey; he basically called for people to swat molly deblanc
07:27 matey; which i did not agree with
07:28 phanes; he mostly just scuttles around in the shadows when im around, sticks his pincers in from the dark to see if he can catch anything
07:28 matey; and you can say im exaggerating, please feel free to, but its one of those "close enough imo" deals
07:28 matey; he mostly just scuttles around in the shadows when im around <- mjg?
07:28 *phanes makes clicking sounds and demonstrates pincers with his hands
07:28 phanes; yeah
07:28 phanes; i see angry wounded child
07:29 phanes; but anyway pocock
07:29 phanes; why does mjg hate pocock
07:29 matey; its mutual
07:29 *schestowitz[TR2] retires for the nightgulag inc.
07:29 matey; mjg is a debian / red hat guy
07:29 schestowitz[TR2]; oops
07:29 schestowitz[TR2]; gulag inc.
07:30 matey; hi roy, debian is a sweatshop like the epo
07:30 matey; they dont make free software, they make slave software
07:30 schestowitz[TR2]; a lot of the early postings revealed how gulag was censoring mailing lists
07:30 schestowitz[TR2]; and how gulaag summer of labour misused projects
07:30 matey; obviously this is about google, NOT debian
07:30 matey; its never about debian
07:30 schestowitz[TR2]; mixture of things
07:30 matey; except when it isnt important
07:30 schestowitz[TR2]; but anyway, some people make a living by licking the corporate boot
07:30 matey; debian must be a dupont product like teflon
07:30 schestowitz[TR2]; I'm not one of them
07:31 schestowitz[TR2]; guess who has an easier life
07:31 matey; #wefighttoo
07:31 matey; phanes: ill tell you how i came to (not really) know pocock is this
07:31 matey; i mean i really DONT know him
07:31 matey; at least his passion seems very sincere
07:31 matey; his intentions? i dont fucking know
07:32 matey; carl sagan couldnt touch his hyperbole or passionate embrace of the subject matter
07:32 TR News; Switching to Vger on FreeBSD gemini://kwiecien.us/gemlog/202207230740.gmi
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07:32 matey; BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of something
07:33 matey; but hes the one that showed there was censorship of stallman supporters on the gnu mailing lists
07:33 matey; in sept 2019 or thereabouts
07:33 matey; before that-- it looked like fsfe was the main evil in fsf land
07:34 matey; someone (we dont know) faked stallmans resignation from gnu, which reminded me of the bush fraud in 2000
07:34 matey; fox made it look like he was president accidentally
07:34 matey; like that didnt affect the election
07:34 matey; i mean they accidentally played the "winner" clip
07:34 matey; before it was true
07:34 matey; does everyone vote anyway after seeing that? on the way to the polls
07:35 matey; who knows
07:35 matey; microsoft gave a million dollars to his campaign
07:35 phanes; matey: any idea what is moviations with debian are?
07:35 matey; his motivations?
07:35 matey; i mean
07:35 matey; he attacks debian more than any person ive ever seen attack debian
07:35 matey; hes mel gibson from braveheart. of debian.
07:36 matey; fedora gets the same treatment
07:36 matey; hes a machine man
07:36 matey; a machine
07:36 matey; im sort of in awe, but im not sure what to think
07:36 matey; i believe-- even from people who DONT like him
07:36 matey; that some of what he says is true, relevant, and matters
07:36 matey; and which part? thats what i dont know
07:37 matey; kind of a pity
07:37 matey; but holy hell what a list of leads
07:37 matey; you could shove your face right into it like scarface
07:37 matey; and you really do get the impression that debian is pure evil
07:38 matey; i personally thought it was about 33% evil
07:38 phanes; oh there is no arguing that there are grotesque elements in debian
07:38 matey; up from 23% in 2014
07:38 matey; i used to be a passionate debian fan btw
07:38 matey; never thought id need another distro. until 2014 :/
07:38 matey; used to give away debian computers
07:39 matey; collected them too
07:39 phanes; as much clashing as i do, debian is one of the few communities ive never even considered being a part of due to its culture
07:39 matey; debsploitation should be a word
07:39 matey; debian is a plantation
07:40 matey; i finally gave up on bruce perens today
07:40 matey; fuck it
07:40 matey; he did write a really great public email in 1999
07:41 matey; still a favourite
07:41 matey; https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/02/msg01641.html
=> ↺ https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/02/msg01641.html
07:41 TR Bot; It's Time to Talk About Free Software Again
07:41 phanes; so
07:41 phanes; i mean
07:41 phanes; it sounds like he's been dumping on debian for years
07:41 matey; and fedora
07:42 phanes; and alot of debian people are mad at him
07:42 matey; to say the least
07:42 matey; debian also #1 group signing the anti-rms letter
07:42 phanes; but are they mad at him because they're people he's exposing or are they mad at him from the disruptions?
07:42 matey; i counted 108
07:42 matey; but are they mad at him because they're people he's exposing or are they mad at him from the disruptions? <- great question
07:43 matey; i counted 108 <- a gnu contributor counted closer to 130 debian people. but i thought i got them all
07:43 matey; thats 108 out of roughly 3000
07:43 matey; including a slew of dpls
07:44 matey; including people who presided over the systemd takeover / death of debian
07:44 matey; but not to change the subject
07:44 matey; i dont know who is more full of shit
07:44 matey; pocock or the debian people
07:44 matey; if i had to guess, the debian people, of course
07:44 matey; but its still a guess
07:45 matey; its possible hes not full of shit at all, but ive certainly seen the dark side
07:46 matey; his methods are almost comically anti-authoritarian
07:46 matey; and im anti-authoritarian
07:46 matey; but then its easy to say that
07:46 matey; you just press these keys in a sequence, and voila
07:46 phanes; so whats all this about debian.community going away unless they file an appeal
07:47 matey; oh thats what pisses me off
07:47 matey; rather the insinuation that it was going away
07:47 matey; its not, i dont think
07:47 matey; the page clearly states-- near the top
07:47 matey; debian.community has contingency plans
07:48 matey; and volunteers (even if thats just coded language for pocock, hes an army of one)
07:48 matey; working to move it to other domains
07:48 matey; this is SOLELY about the domain name
07:48 matey; its notable of course, if ibm tries that and fails
07:48 matey; and debian tries that and succeeds
07:48 matey; that means debian can "protect their trademark" more than ibm can
07:48 matey; wtf does that mean...
07:48 matey; how
07:49 matey; its like someone brings a giant death star in
07:49 matey; and vader says "i have a death star"
07:49 phanes; yeah the last thing you'd want in a PR campaign is for someone like that to become decentralized
07:49 matey; and vader dundee says "thayts not a death stah"
07:49 matey; "THAYTS a death stah"
07:49 phanes; from debian's view i mena
07:49 phanes; *mean
07:50 phanes; its a poor strategic choice on their part to try to shut it down
07:50 matey; debian doesnt like strategy
07:50 matey; they like to just beat your face in with their dicks
07:50 matey; it certainly convinced me to stop supporting them
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07:53 matey; i like that they have a logo that looks like something being flushed down a toilet
07:53 matey; i think it represents their credibility
07:54 matey; if pocock is right though
07:55 matey; then debian kills
07:55 matey; it works people to death and then it thoughtpolices their funerals
07:55 matey; i wont deny i have some trouble believing the scope of this
07:55 matey; but thats also how pure evil works, so its not not an easy litmus test
07:55 matey; either theyre pure evil, or theres hyperbole
07:56 matey; and if its hyperbole, how much evil is there? 80% 33%?
07:56 matey; they amount they tend to get away with stays around 100%
07:56 matey; for now
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 40.56
07:59 britney; matey, pocock has github
07:59 britney; https://github.com/dpocock
=> ↺ https://github.com/dpocock
07:59 TR Bot; (Daniel Pocock) GitHub
07:59 matey; oh he uses a lot of things i dont approve of
07:59 matey; the github account only means id rather not use any of his software if i can help it
07:59 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: was it you who told me he likes sytemd?
08:00 matey; i dont know or understand his position on systemd
08:00 schestowitz[TR2]; ok
08:00 matey; i dont think he hates it though
08:00 schestowitz[TR2]; you got me thinking maybe he said glowing things about its capability
08:00 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: btw, good news
08:00 schestowitz[TR2]; this morning
08:00 matey; id need to be quoted to explain what i said
08:00 schestowitz[TR2]; you can see in #boycottnovel
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; we've deployed to the new tuxmachines via git
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; self-0hosted by tuxmachines domain
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; and the site is now running there
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; but password-protected for now
08:01 matey; okay
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; we're testing as it's a new CMS we made
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; no systemd
08:01 schestowitz[TR2]; just alpine
08:01 matey; no systemd is an upgrade
08:02 matey; no debian would be if it wasnt fedora before
08:02 schestowitz[TR2]; I'll register git.tuxmachines.org in DNS
08:02 schestowitz[TR2]; it's the same address
08:03 matey; /me closes his eyes and sees the matrix
08:03 matey; /me opens them again and sees irc
08:05 schestowitz[TR2]; you can make irc clients look like The Matrix
08:06 schestowitz[TR2]; ok, git.tuxmachines.org and beta.tuxmachines.org registered now
08:06 schestowitz[TR2]; techrights git is separate
08:06 matey; shit reminds me of the matrix enough alrady
08:06 schestowitz[TR2]; so all the files will be managed via git
08:06 matey; thats a good idea
08:07 matey; phanes: this frans pop guy suicided on the anniversay of debians founding
08:07 matey; either he was extremely fragile, extremely abused, or both
08:08 matey; i would leave this alone completely
08:08 matey; except for the abuse possibility
08:08 matey; that cant go unmentioned
08:08 matey; the extremely fragile part is in fairness
08:08 matey; because simply accusing people of something doesnt make it so
08:08 matey; it also has to be true, obviously
08:09 matey; not merely honest-- it also has to be true
08:09 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, it wasn't on debian day exactly
08:09 schestowitz[TR2]; but a day or days apart
08:09 schestowitz[TR2]; the problekm is, posthumously assuming stuff
08:10 schestowitz[TR2]; where you cannot be refuted by those who know best
08:10 matey; im going to make up a figure and guess that at least 99% of murders are "assumed" posthumously
08:10 TR News; My week in KDE: slow but steady Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167554
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08:10 TR Bot; My week in KDE: slow but steady | Tux Machines
08:10 matey; just saying
08:11 schestowitz[TR2]; this is disffent from murder
08:11 schestowitz[TR2]; why?
08:11 schestowitz[TR2]; because in murder the murdere is alive
08:11 schestowitz[TR2]; with suicide the receiver and deliverer are the same
08:11 phanes; it needs to be verifiable or plainly obvious in the details
08:11 schestowitz[TR2]; so motives cannot be interrogated for
08:12 matey; The Debian Project has lost a member of its community. Frans Pop (fjp) died on August 20th.
08:12 phanes; no they can't
08:12 phanes; but they can lead to other facts that can
08:12 matey; if someone is bullied into suicide
08:12 matey; which politically i consider a VERY delicate and somewhat nuanced issue
08:13 matey; the "culprits" and the "trigger guy" arent necesssarily the same
08:13 matey; but youre missing a HUGE point as far as investigations go
08:13 matey; so large i almost cant believe it, except its you
08:14 matey; interrogations arent necessary to solving every murder case
08:14 matey; sometimes you can get by entirely on forensics
08:14 matey; or witnesses
08:14 matey; without interrogation
08:14 matey; im not saying its useless-- im saying if its not possible, its not always ncessary
08:14 matey; you can SOLVE a murder case with no interrogations
08:15 matey; and you can also solve a murder without getting a single word out of the killer
08:16 matey; debian was founded on august 16th
08:17 matey; so roy is correct that frans didnt die on the exact day
08:17 matey; but 4 days later on the 20th
08:17 matey; i declared gnu dead on its birthday
08:17 matey; it wasnt intentional
08:17 matey; the date-- whether you believe that or not
08:18 matey; i knew it was around that time (a coincidence) but i didnt realise it was the same day
08:21 matey; im not sure if pocock is qualified to make this statement so confidently
08:21 matey; "Pop's resignation note was written on 15 August, the night before Debian's anniversary. He was clearly thinking about taking his life on the anniversary of Debian's founding, Debian Day."
08:21 matey; "He was clearly"
08:21 matey; i think the word hes looking for is perhaps or possibly
08:22 matey; "If Debian was sincere in their sympathy for Frans Pop, they would never impose psychological tortures on any other developer. Their refusal to admit or even acknowledge the possibility of a connection with these deaths is the ultimate insult to Frans Pop, Lucy Wayland, other victims and their families."
08:22 matey; https://debian.community/coroner-report-lucy-wayland-debian-abuse-culture/
=> ↺ https://debian.community/coroner-report-lucy-wayland-debian-abuse-culture/
08:22 TR Bot; Coroner's Report: Lucy Wayland & Debian Abuse Culture
08:23 matey; we should really start tracking the death tolls of free software projects
08:23 matey; id rather do it with integers, not names, personally
08:23 matey; which distro has the highest suicide rate among developers
08:23 DaemonFC; mateyand vader says "i have a death star"
08:23 matey; if it counts at foxconn, it might count in free software
08:23 matey; this isnt a joke btw
08:23 DaemonFC; Vader was unimpressed by the Death Star.
08:24 matey; and it would be responsible to account for the number of developers
08:24 DaemonFC; He referred to it as a "technological terror" but said "it pales" in comparison to The Force.
08:24 matey; like if debian had 100,000 devs, then of course its going to have more suicides than tinycore.
08:24 matey; that should be accounted for
08:24 matey; suicides per number of devs
08:25 matey; this is beneath techrights of course
08:25 matey; its too base a topic
08:25 matey; lets talk about kde neon
08:26 matey; (i dont know if kde neon ever killed any of its developers)
08:26 matey; coca cola kills its farmers http://killercoke.org
08:26 TR Bot; NO TITLE
08:26 matey; this is a website stallman promotes
08:26 matey; he also boycotts coca cola products
08:27 matey; if you bring him a dasani, he will politely ask you to bring any other brand of water or even tap water instead
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08:29 matey; "As we approach the third anniversary of Lucy Wayland (aardvark)'s death, we want to consider the possibility that Debian contributed to the death."
08:31 matey; Lucy Wayland was a Senior Applications Engineer at ARM in Cambridge, UK. Wayland was placed in the lowest rank in Debian: the title Debian Contributor.
08:31 matey; he compares this to the debian project leaders girlfriends rank, despite her bringing no technical skills to the table at all
08:33 matey; the amount of nepotism-- the SCALE of it, at debian
08:33 matey; does seem staggering, and helps explain its downfall
08:33 matey; its not a conspiracy, so much as its incest
08:33 matey; that was certainly enough to bring down the hapsburgs, why not debian as well
08:41 matey; i imagine the one about diameter in particular is bullshit, but this is a fun read https://jaba.jabajabba.com/earths-moon-is-a-hollow-space-station-the-evidence/
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08:41 TR Bot; Earth's Moon is a Hollow Space Station: The Evidence Jabajabba | Reading Archive
08:42 matey; this is more fun than flat earth
08:43 matey; Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apollonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia. The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there before there was a moon in the heavens. [6]
08:43 matey; This claim is substantiated by symbols on the wall of the Courtyard of Kalasasaya, near the city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, which record that the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago, long before recorded history.
08:43 matey; "the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago"
08:44 matey; "Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa said that Zulu legends believe the Moon to be hollow and the home of the Python or Chitauri"
08:44 matey; probably still better than python 3
08:44 britney; before there was a moon in the heavens.
08:45 britney; so before the reptilians parked their space ship
08:45 matey; "Credo Mutwa claims that the Earth was very different then it is now before the Moon had arrived. There werent any seasons and the planet was perpetually engulfed by a canopy of water vapor. People did not feel the strong glare of the Sun that we do now, and they could only see it through a watery mist. "
08:45 matey; People did not feel the strong glare of the Sun that we do now, and they could only see it through a watery mist. <- sounds like belfast
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08:53 matey; https://jaba.jabajabba.com/the-number-1-tool-for-dumbing-down-the-general-population/
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08:53 TR Bot; The Number 1 Tool for Dumbing Down the General Population Jabajabba | Reading Archive
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08:54 matey; If you dont read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.-- mark twain
08:54 TR News; This week in KDE: Tons of UI improvements and bugfixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167555
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08:54 TR Bot; This week in KDE: Tons of UI improvements and bugfixes | Tux Machines
08:55 TR News; Top 10 Best Music Players for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167556
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08:55 TR Bot; Top 10 Best Music Players for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines
08:55 TR News; 10 Fun Free and Open Source ASCII Games - Part 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167557
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08:55 TR Bot; 10 Fun Free and Open Source ASCII Games - Part 2 | Tux Machines
08:55 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167558
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08:55 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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09:38 matey; so this is fun
09:40 matey; i guess in another dimension http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/story the john lennon song "nobody told me" is a beatles song called "days like these" http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/
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09:40 TR Bot; The Story of the Tape
09:40 TR Bot; The Beatles Never Broke Up...
09:40 matey; strange story indeed
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09:41 matey; maybe jackie wilson has a song called "van morrison said"
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10:14 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 22, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/irc-log-220722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/irc-log-220722/
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10:14 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 22, 2022 | Techrights
10:23 TR News; "Recently we upgraded our Prometheus server from Ubuntu 18.04 to 22.04, moved it to new hardware" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/PrometheusMovingTSDBWithRsync | Source: uni Toronto
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10:23 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/PrometheusMovingTSDBWithRsync
10:23 TR News; "There's probably a way to do this in Apache with the right set of directives" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/ApacheNestedAccessBruteForce | Source: uni Toronto
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10:23 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/ApacheNestedAccessBruteForce
10:24 TR News; "No, not that Duke Nukem game I mean the platformer." https://www.talospace.com/2022/07/tonights-game-on-openpower-duke-nukem-ii.html | Source: Talospace
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10:24 TR Bot; Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: Duke Nukem II
10:25 TR News; "Im not a huge fan of dark UI themes." https://www.tumfatig.net/2022/sweet-mars-inspired-theme-for-windowmaker/ | Source: TuMFatig
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10:25 TR Bot; TuM'Fatig - Sweet Mars inspired theme for WindowMaker
10:27 TR News; "Ive been confused about whats going on with terminals for a long time." https://rubenerd.com/jeff-geerlings-all-flash-nas/ | Source: Ruben Schade
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10:27 TR Bot; Jeff Geerlings all-flash NAS
10:27 TR News; "Were landing in St James Quarter, which is tucked away in the New Town area of Edinburgh." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/were-coming-to-edinburgh/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
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10:27 TR Bot; We're coming to Edinburgh! - Raspberry Pi
10:28 TR News; "Gitea is the software weve decided to put our faith into" https://code.blender.org/2022/07/gitea-diaries-part-1/ |
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10:28 TR Bot; Gitea Diaries: Part 1 Blender Developers Blog
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; gitea
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; looked into it
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; a large chain of deps
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; hosting git ui over gemini is better
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; we'll set up tuxmachines that way
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; first gemini support added
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; then we'll linkk git.tuxmachines.org tto gemini.tuxmachines.org
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; so you can browser the repo
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; like in Techrights
10:29 TR News; Thoughts on RSS https://idiomdrottning.org/re-thoughts-on-rss | Source: Idiomdrottning
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10:29 TR Bot; Re: Thoughts on RSS
10:30 TR News; "This tutorial will teach you how to use MongoDB databases with the Go programming language" https://earthly.dev/blog/use-mongo-with-go/ | Source: Earthly
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10:30 TR Bot; How to Use MongoDB with Go - Earthly Blog
10:31 TR News; "We love naming generations and ascribing vices and virtues to them. Boomers. Millenials. Zoomers." https://www.datagubbe.se/hcg/ | Source: Carl Svensson
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10:31 TR Bot; Home Computer Generation | datagubbe.se
10:31 TR News; "I feel that we who went through edit autoexec.bat, notepad index.html" https://idiomdrottning.org/generations | Source: Idiomdrottning
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10:31 TR Bot; Talking about my generation
10:36 TR News; "The problem, as Im sure you have guessed, is some sort of stupid bug in what passes for web development" https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/07/17/modern-technology-please-stop-trying-to-be-helpful/ | Source: Positech Games
10:36 TR Bot; Modern Technology: Please stop trying to be helpful Cliffski's Blog
10:37 TR News; "The problem with this is that let and if are also injected, not just it." https://idiomdrottning.org/guile-defmacro | Source: Idiomdrottning
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10:37 TR Bot; A problem with Guile's defmacro
10:37 TR News; "The academic experimental results are very promising, but achieving widespread adoption of CHERI needs an industry-scale evaluation" https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/07/22/formal-cheri/ | Source: Light Blue Touchpaper
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10:37 TR Bot; Formal CHERI: rigorous engineering and design-time proof of full-scale architecture security properties | Light Blue Touchpaper
10:38 TR News; "My experience has shown that serious issues are almost always known issues at the time of shipping." https://techreflect.net/2022/07/just-admit-qa-was-right/ | Source: Tech Reflect
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10:38 TR Bot; Just admit QA was right - Tech Reflect
10:39 TR News; "My request was pretty easy," https://jpmens.net/2022/07/19/a-human-and-a-spreadsheet/ | Source: Jan Piet Mens
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10:39 TR Bot; Jan-Piet Mens :: A human and a spreadsheet
10:40 TR News; "developers using this workflow on native git and GitHub can run into problems." https://matt-rickard.com/stacked-pull-requests/ | Source: Matt Rickard
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10:40 TR Bot; Stacked Pull Requests
10:41 TR News; "The alternative to Stacked Pull Requests is Stacked Commits.The alternative to Stacked Pull Requests is Stacked Commits." https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2022/07/17/In-Praise-of-Stacked-PRs/ | Source: Ben Congdon
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10:41 TR Bot; In Praise of Stacked PRs | Ben Congdon
10:41 TR News; "So, I should probably make it official. The Perl Advent Calendar is back once again in 2022." https://www.olafalders.com/2022/07/21/the-perl-advent-calendar-2022-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ | Source: Olaf Alders
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10:41 TR Bot; Perl Advent Calendar 2022 Call for Papers Is Now Open - olafalders.com
10:42 TR News; "UFC distributor Joe Hand Promotions regularly goes after bars and restaurants that show fights to customers without paying" https://torrentfreak.com/ufc-boxing-distributor-uses-copyright-claims-board-to-target-pirating-bars-220722/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:42 TR Bot; & Boxing Distributor Uses Copyright Claims Board to Target 'Pirating' Bars * TorrentFreak
10:43 TR News; IPTV https://torrentfreak.com/uk-pirate-iptv-sellers-receive-in-person-warnings-from-police-fact-220722/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:43 TR Bot; Pirate IPTV Sellers Receive In-Person Warnings From Police Officers & FACT * TorrentFreak
10:44 TR News; "The internet has changed the way we communicate" https://fair.org/counterspin/nora-benavidez-on-post-roe-data-privacy-dorothee-benz-on-january-6-insurrection/ | Source: FAIR
10:44 TR Bot; Nora Benavidez on Post-Roe Data Privacy, Dorothee Benz on January 6 Insurrection - FAIR
10:44 TR News; Starting My Smartphone Free Life! https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9 Source: LinuxLounge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9
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10:44 TR Bot; Starting My Smartphone Free Life!
10:45 TR News; Looters https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/07/20/26-top-billionaires-paid-an-average-income-tax-rate-of-just-4-8/
10:45 TR Bot; 26 top billionaires paid an average income tax rate of just 4.8% neritam
10:47 TR News; Social CONTROL media and tourists https://rubenerd.com/social-media-and-tourism/ | Source: Ruben Schade
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10:48 TR Bot; Social media and tourists
10:48 TR News; "It's been a long time since the altruistic early webputting content out there for the its own sake." https://ericwbailey.design/writing/saying-thank-you/ | Source: Eric Bailey
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10:48 TR Bot; Saying thank you Eric Bailey
10:49 TR News; He's leaving for London https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/oleksandr-zinchenko-s-city-highlights-63793943
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10:49 TR Bot; Oleksandr Zinchenko's City highlights
10:52 TR News; But he still carries around a tracking device https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9
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10:55 TR News; "The spacecraft is sending data up to 57 gigabytes (GB) of data per day back to Earth" https://cacm.acm.org/news/262735-the-webb-space-telescopes-profound-data-challenges/fulltext | Source: ACM
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10:55 TR Bot; The Webb Space Telescope's Profound Data Challenges | News | Communications of the ACM
10:56 TR News; "This last week, Popcorn Computer announced that they have commenced production on their hand-held Pocket PC with the pocket-sized computer" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/a-new-linux-powered-pocket-pc-has | Source: Bryan Lunduke
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10:56 TR Bot; A new, Linux-powered Pocket PC has started production
10:58 TR News; "How much have you spent on Amazon? Well, thats a kind of interesting question to find an answer to." https://earthly.dev/blog/analyze-amzndata-pyth/ | Source: Earthly
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10:58 TR Bot; Analyze Your Amazon Data with Python - Earthly Blog
10:58 TR News; "it seems clear that Googles Fuchsia team still has plans to grow beyond the smart home" https://9to5google.com/2022/07/15/android-removes-fuchsia-code-starnix/ | Source: 9to5Google
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10:58 TR Bot; removes Fuchsia code as Starnix project progresses - 9to5Google
10:58 TR News; "Microsoft feeling threatened by Netscape" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/19/windows-is-still-just-a-poorly-debugged-set-of-device-drivers/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
10:58 TR Bot; Windows is still just a poorly debugged set of device drivers. BaronHK's Rants
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
10:59 TR News; Banana Pi router dev board is equipped with Rockchip RK3588, dual GbE and 8GB RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167522#comment-34417
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10:59 TR Bot; Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot | Tux Machines
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11:07 TR News; "The study estimates that about 19% of all households are affected without being aware of the problem. The majority of the affected devices are inexpensive Internet of things devices" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/ip-data-retention-is-no-option-ipv6-addresses-can-be-unique-and-persistent-tracking-identifiers-a-new-study-finds/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
11:07 TR Bot; IP data retention is no option: IPv6 addresses can be unique and persistent tracking identifiers a new study finds Patrick Breyer
11:07 TR News; "The district is also in talks with multiple software companies to roll out new technology that would track the location of students throughout the day" https://evanstonroundtable.com/2022/07/13/district-65-board-greenlights-new-security-positions/ |
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11:07 TR Bot; District 65 board greenlights new security positions - Evanston RoundTable
11:08 TR News; "Some sites, including Facebook, add parameters to the web address for tracking purposes" https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/ | Source: Ghacks
11:08 TR Bot; Facebook has started to encrypt links to counter privacy-improving URL Stripping - gHacks Tech News
11:11 TR News; "After ten years, the German Federal Data Protection Commissioner has again inspected the INPOL-Z" https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/22/data-protection-commissioners-audit-germanys-largest-police-database-contains-many-illicit-records/ | Source: Site36
11:11 TR Bot; Data Protection Commissioners audit: Germanys largest police database contains many illicit records Security Architectures in the EU
11:11 TR News; "Yet another basic human rights violation, courtesy of NSO Group: Citizen Lab has the details" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/nso-groups-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailand-pro-democracy-activists-and-leaders.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
11:11 TR Bot; Groups Pegasus Spyware Used against Thailand Pro-Democracy Activists and Leaders - Schneier on Security
11:12 TR News; "The Sequoia command line tool sq has gained support for the sq keyring list and sq wkd url commands." https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/07/21/202207-sq-json/ | Source: SequoiaPGP
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11:12 TR Bot; Blog - JSON support for sq keyring list, sq wkd url
11:13 TR News; "Below is a summary of the proposed constitution. [...]" https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2022-July/066142.html | Source: GnuPG
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11:13 TR Bot; Request for Comment: keys.openpgp.org Organization
11:14 TR News; ""John Doe" recently contacted the two former SZ journalists, who now work for DER SPIEGEL" https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-first-interview-with-the-panama-papers-whistleblower-the-russian-government-wants-to-see-me-dead-a-9f830d70-297a-472a-b0cc-9632ff2f514a | Source: Spiegel
11:14 TR Bot; Panama Papers Whistleblower: "The Russian Government Wants To See Me Dead" - DER SPIEGEL
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11:17 TR News; [Old] "The mayor of Bogot, Colombia, Enrique is perhaps the worlds most transit-friendly politician." https://site.transitapp.com/a-developed-country-is-not-a-place-where-the-poor-have-cars-65cbd7eb6def/ |
11:17 TR Bot; The Man Behind Transit Apps Mantra Transit
11:19 TR News; "In May I wrote Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, based on Paul Butler's The problem with bitcoin miners" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/mining-news.html | Source: David Rosenthal
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11:19 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Mining News
11:19 TR News; "Permissionless cryptocurrencies were designed to evade regulation, so fighting them on their own "decentralized" ground isn't a winning strategy." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/calls-for-cryptocurrency-regulation.html | Source: David Rosenthal
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11:19 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Calls For Cryptocurrency Regulation
11:20 TR News; "Social media posts are sharing a century-old report on the warming of the Arctic Ocean to question the science of climate change." https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1943759.html | Source: RTL
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11:20 TR Bot; RTL Today - Fact Check: Century-old Arctic report altered to discredit global warming
11:20 techuser; MinceR: I did ask frankenstein about jesus. He said he wrote about him in his book, somewhere at https://executingreality.com
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11:20 TR Bot; Executing Reality
11:23 TR News; Philanthropy only attacks the symptoms https://rubenerd.com/philanthropy-only-attacks-the-symptoms/ | Source: Ruben Schade
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11:23 TR Bot; Philanthropy only attacks the symptoms
11:30 TR News; XIAO ESP32C3 https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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11:30 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ )
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11:30 TR News; Cortex-A55 https://linuxgizmos.com/banana-pi-router-dev-board-is-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3588-dual-gbe-and-8gb-ram/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:30 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/banana-pi-router-dev-board-is-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3588-dual-gbe-and-8gb-ram/ )
11:35 TR News; "Is Ethical Advertising Possible?" https://puri.sm/posts/purisms-ethical-marketing-principles/ | Source: Purism
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11:35 TR Bot; Purism's Ethical Marketing Principles Purism
11:39 TR News; "The Humble Deck Builder Bundle has gone live and it's another that offers some pretty interesting choices" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/the-humble-deck-builder-bundle-is-live-heres-what-works-on-linux-a-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:39 TR Bot; Humble Deck Builder Bundle is live, here's what works on Linux & Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
11:39 TR News; "MultiVersus is a very exciting one that has a look of people talking right now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/looks-like-upcoming-brawler-multiversus-works-great-on-steam-deck-a-linux-desktop/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR Bot; like upcoming brawler MultiVersus works great on Steam Deck & Linux desktop | GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR News; "Not afraid of Spiders? Love a good 3D platformer?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/a-webbing-journey-is-an-upcoming-wholesome-3d-puzzle-platformer/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR Bot; Webbing Journey is an upcoming wholesome 3D puzzle platformer | GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR News; "GameMode, the system optimization tool from Feral Interactive recently had a new small release put up." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/gamemode-performance-tool-from-feral-interactive-version-17-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR Bot; performance tool from Feral Interactive version 1.7 is out now | GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR News; "It's taken quite a while but you can at least now play Halo Infinite multiplayer on Steam Deck (single-player not tested)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/you-can-now-get-halo-infinite-online-to-work-on-the-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:40 TR Bot; can now get Halo Infinite online to work on the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
11:41 TR News; IBM fluff https://opensource.com/article/22/7/design-thinking-open-source-teams | Source: OpenSource.com
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11:41 TR Bot; Design Thinking is a box office hit for open source teams | Opensource.com
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11:49 TR News; SweatshopZone https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/sanders-joins-chorus-demanding-rejection-amazons-one-medical-purchase | Source: Common Dreams
11:49 TR Bot; Sanders Joins Chorus Demanding Rejection of Amazon's One Medical Purchase
11:54 TR News; "Facebook and Newsguard" = censorship agenda for the oligarchy https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/did-lawmakers-finally-figure-out-that-critical-news-literacy-is-the-antidote-to-disinformation/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:54 TR Bot; Lawmakers Finally Figure Out That Critical News Literacy is the Antidote to Disinformation? - CounterPunch.org
11:55 TR News; "Not only is he a compulsive liar, an arrogant, spoilt misogynist, he and his gaggle are completely incompetent" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/poverty-division-democratic-destruction-the-johnson-legacy/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:55 TR Bot; Division Democratic Destruction: The Johnson Legacy - CounterPunch.org
12:05 TR News; Poverty... while the state 'bails out' BILLIONAIRES! https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/bad-news-biden-administration-delays-relief-plan-low-income-borrowers | Source: Common Dreams
12:05 TR Bot; 'Bad News': Biden Administration Delays Relief Plan for Low-Income Borrowers
12:13 TR News; The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/
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12:13 TR Bot; The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights
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12:28 TR News; "I guess we're seeing more Dwarf Fortress style games." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-23%20Solo%20Dungeon%20Development
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12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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12:44 TR News; UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
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12:44 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on
12:46 MinceR; 23 122058 < techuser> MinceR: I did ask frankenstein about jesus. He said he wrote about him in his book, somewhere at https://executingreality.com
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12:46 MinceR; that site looks a lot like the timecube site
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12:58 TR News; "They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum / And they charged the people a dollar and a half just to see them" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/22/capitalisms-practicality-while-we-bake-death | Source: Common Dreams
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12:58 TR Bot; Opinion | Capitalism's 'Practicality' While We Bake to Death | Tony Norman
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13:01 TR News; Dear Brit, don't worry about the person next to you on the train being a bomber or carrying a long knife but the person next to you having COVID-19 because it's statistically obvious what's far more like to kill you https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
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13:27 TR News; Anita Was Right gemini://idiomdrottning.org/anita
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13:28 TR News; How to use sshfs on OpenBSD gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-sshfs.gmi
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13:35 TR News; Games: Duke Nukem II on OpenPOWER, The Humble Deck Builder Bundle, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167559
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13:35 TR Bot; Games: Duke Nukem II on OpenPOWER, The Humble Deck Builder Bundle, and More | Tux Machines
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14:29 XRevan86; britney: "quantum entanglement" <- "How to offend a physicist.
14:31 TR News; [Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/
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14:31 TR Bot; [Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights
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15:00 TR News; [Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/
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15:00 TR Bot; [Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights
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15:14 TR News; UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending It's No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/safely-with-covid/
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15:14 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending Its No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives)
15:15 TR News; Nihilists in positions of power, buckling for lobbyists https://yle.fi/news/3-12548445
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15:15 TR Bot; MTV: Top doc in Finland wants to remove Covid from dangerous disease list | News | Yle Uutiset
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15:22 TR News; [Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/got-covid-meme/
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15:22 TR Bot; Blog Archive [Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions)
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15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:46 XRevan86; https://reuters.com/world/europe/hungarys-orban-calls-new-eu-strategy-ukraine-war-says-sanctions-failed-2022-07-23/
15:46 TR Bot; urges new EU strategy on Ukraine, says sanctions have failed | Reuters
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16:03 TR News; So-called "trade" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/prevent-another-tpp-100-groups-call-transparent-negotiations-indo-pacific-trade-deal | Source: Common Dreams
16:03 TR Bot; To Prevent 'Another' TPP, 100+ Groups Call for Transparent Negotiations on Indo-Pacific Trade Deal
16:03 TR News; Graaaaaaaaiins... https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/beacon-hope-un-chief-lauds-deal-export-20-million-tons-ukrainian-grain | Source: Common Dreams
16:03 TR Bot; 'A Beacon of Hope': UN Chief Lauds Deal to Export 20+ Million Tons of Ukrainian Grain
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16:15 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/dirt-decay-and-bitter-cold "Ukrainian volunteers held captive for more than 100 days describe harrowing conditions inside filtration prison near Donetsk"
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16:15 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:16 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/23/ukraine-russia-attacks-odesas-sea-port-with-kalibr-missiles-news "Ukraine: Russia attacks Odesas sea port with Kalibr missiles"
16:16 TR Bot; .
16:16 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/23/a78388
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16:17 TR Bot; Panama Papers Whistleblower Says Russia Wants Me Dead - The Moscow Times
16:17 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/23/7359802/
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16:17 TR Bot; Rocket strike on Kropyvnytskyi: 3 killed and 16 wounded | Ukrainska Pravda
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16:27 AdmFubar; https://www.salon.com/2022/07/23/cells-become-zombies-when-the-ends-of-their-chromosomes-are-damaged_partner/
16:27 TR Bot; become zombies when the ends of their chromosomes are damaged | Salon.com
16:43 TR News; "EFFs ability to catalog known uses of CSS and other surveillance equipment" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusing-investigative-exemptions-shield-surveillance-tech-while-0 | Source: EFF
16:43 TR Bot; Police Are Still Abusing Investigative Exemptions to Shield Surveillance Tech, While Others Move Towards Transparency | Electronic Frontier Foundation
16:49 TR News; UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/uk-200000-covid-19-deaths/
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16:49 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures
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16:57 AdmFubar; https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04853-4
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16:57 TR Bot; topological phase realized in a trapped-ion quantum simulator | Nature
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
17:02 AdmFubar; https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/shift_workers_can't
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17:02 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/shift_workers_can't )
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17:18 TR News; SpellBinding: AEIUQTL Wordo: TIERS gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
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17:18 TR News; Some thoughts on Vala gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/some_thoughts_on_vala.gmi
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17:25 TR News; NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/apples-to-apples/
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17:25 TR Bot; Blog Archive NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022)
17:27 TR News; EFF wrote this while endorsing Microsoft surveillance by DuckDuckGo. Disgrace? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/americans-deserve-more-current-american-data-privacy-protection-act | Source: EFF
17:27 TR Bot; Americans Deserve More Than The Current American Data Privacy Protection Act | Electronic Frontier Foundation
17:30 TR News; the usual: requestion own focus while on vacation gemini://luka.smol.pub/1658588727
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17:31 TR News; "There's so much bad stuff going on in the world right now. Apart from war (in Ukraine and other parts of the world) and pandemic (COVID19), there's looming and increasingly unavoidable planetary catastrophe incoming anyway." gemini://luka.smol.pub/1658588727
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17:38 TR News; "Internet service providers are to facilitate the work of law enforcement agencies" https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/22/council-and-parliament-negotiations-eu-laws-on-e-evidence-reportedly-on-the-home-straight/ | Source: Site36
17:38 TR Bot; Council and Parliament negotiations: EU laws on E-Evidence reportedly on the home straight Security Architectures in the EU
17:39 TR News; "In search of answers, we looked at past research, notably Andrea Wallaces Barriers to Open Access" https://creativecommons.org/2022/07/22/what-are-the-barriers-to-open-culture-heres-what-the-cc-community-has-to-say/ | Source: Creative Commons
17:39 TR Bot; What are the barriers to open culture? Heres what the CC community has to say - Creative Commons
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17:41 TR News; "St. Petersburg opposition politician Sergey Troshin" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/22/someone-will-always-say-it-s-the-wrong-time | Source: Meduza
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17:41 TR Bot; NO TITLE
17:42 TR News; On copyrights https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/phishing-attacks-on-wordpress-site-owners-disguised-as-copyright-infringement-warnings/ | Source: Techdirt
17:42 TR Bot; Attacks On WordPress Site Owners Disguised As Copyright Infringement Warnings | Techdirt
17:43 TR News; One America News (OAN) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/verizon-gives-oan-the-axe-upsetting-the-six-people-who-still-watch-the-channel/ | Source: Techdirt
17:43 TR Bot; Gives OAN The Axe, Upsetting The Six People Who Still Watch The Channel | Techdirt
17:47 TR News; On surveillance https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/surveillance-is-pervasive-yes-you-are-being-watched-even-if-no-one-is-looking-for-you/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:47 TR Bot; Is Pervasive: Yes, You Are Being Watched, Even if No One is Looking For You scheerpost.com
17:48 TR News; Ontario https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/international-students-in-ontario-are-fighting-wage-theft-and-winning/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:48 TR Bot; Students in Ontario Are Fighting Wage TheftAnd Winning scheerpost.com
17:48 TR News; "the right to record police" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/video-mainstream-media-says-copwatchers-are-a-menace-heres-why-theyre-wrong/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:48 TR Bot; Mainstream Media Says Copwatchers Are a MenaceHeres Why Theyre Wrong scheerpost.com
17:49 TR News; Tackling disinformation https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/did-lawmakers-finally-figure-out-that-critical-news-literacy-is-antidote-to-disinformation/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:49 TR Bot; Lawmakers Finally Figure Out That Critical News Literacy is Antidote to Disinformation? scheerpost.com
17:52 TR News; NSO Group https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/us-defense-contractor-l3harris-drops-plan-to-buy-nso-group-despite-allegedly-having-the-defense-departments-backing/ | Source: Techdirt
17:52 TR Bot; Defense Contractor L3Harris Drops Plan To Buy NSO Group Despite Allegedly Having The Defense Departments Backing | Techdirt
17:53 TR News; "Russian forces detained 32 Ukrainian volunteers who had been providing humanitarian aid" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/dirt-decay-and-bitter-cold | Source: Meduza
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17:53 TR Bot; NO TITLE
17:54 TR News; Social control media is shit. The public realises this. More and more over time. TechDirt pushes back. No idea why this insistence... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/polling-the-public-about-social-media-policies-turns-up-nothing-particularly-useful/ | Source: Techdirt
17:54 TR Bot; The Public About Social Media Policies Turns Up Nothing Particularly Useful | Techdirt
17:55 TR News; "Not every crime is linked to a cell phone," https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/court-suppresses-phone-search-telling-cops-a-warrant-with-no-probable-cause-is-like-having-no-warrant-at-all/ | Source: Techdirt
17:55 TR Bot; Suppresses Phone Search, Telling Cops A Warrant With No Probable Cause Is Like Having No Warrant At All | Techdirt
17:55 TR News; "In a world where game consoles come with ever-higher resolutions and ever-faster frame rates" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/hunt-the-lunpus-is-an-attiny-based-minimalist-game-console/ | Source: Hackaday
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17:55 TR Bot; The Lunpus Is An ATtiny-Based Minimalist Game Console | Hackaday
17:56 TR News; Wikipedia IS biased. We know in whose favour. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/you-get-used-to-it | Source: Meduza
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17:56 TR Bot; NO TITLE
17:57 TR News; "The holy grail of computing is to have some way to distribute a program to any computer." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/color-us-impressed-redbean-runs-a-web-server-on-six-operating-systems/ | Source: Hackaday
17:57 TR Bot; Us Impressed: Redbean Runs A Web Server On Six Operating Systems | Hackaday
18:03 TR News; Uber should stop existing https://www.thenation.com/article/society/uber-leak-economists/ | Source: The Nation
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18:03 TR Bot; The Best Economists Uber Could Buy | The Nation
18:04 TR News; Biden is black. Coal and oil. https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/fires-climate-biden/ | Source: The Nation
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18:04 TR Bot; Biden Is All Talk as Fires Take Over the American West | The Nation
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18:12 TR News; Patents and monopolies https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/insulin-prices-democrats/ | Source: The Nation
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18:12 TR Bot; Democrats Are Fumbling Their Chance to Make Insulin More Affordable | The Nation
18:13 TR News; "It seems like [Mordechai Guri]s lab at Ben-Gurion University is the place where air-gapped computers go to die," https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/satan-turns-hard-drive-cable-into-antenna-to-defeat-air-gapped-security/ | Source: Hackaday
18:13 TR Bot; Turns Hard Drive Cable Into Antenna To Defeat Air-Gapped Security | Hackaday
18:13 TR News; "Telecom lobbyists are exploiting the creation of a new federal privacy bill" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/new-federal-privacy-bill-further-erodes-fcc-oversight-of-big-telecom-you-know-for-freedom-or-whatever/ | Source: Techdirt
18:13 TR Bot; Federal Privacy Bill Further Erodes FCC Oversight Of Big Telecom. You Know, For Freedom Or Whatever. | Techdirt
18:14 TR News; ESP32 https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/esp32-gets-a-nifty-serial-console-library/ | Source: Hackaday
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18:14 TR Bot; Gets A Nifty Serial Console Library | Hackaday
18:15 TR News; "Hackaday Editor-in-Chief Elliot Williams and Managing Editor Tom Nardi" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/hackaday-podcast-178-the-return-of-supercon-victory-for-open-source-exquisite-timepieces-and-documentation-to-die-for/ | Source: Hackaday
18:15 TR Bot; Podcast 178: The Return Of Supercon, Victory For Open Source, Exquisite Timepieces, And Documentation To Die For | Hackaday
18:16 TR News; "In 2010, the town of Fort Myers Beach, Florida passed an ordinance that banned portable signs." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/florida-towns-portable-sign-ban-shot-down-by-the-11th-circuit-appeals-court/ | Source: Techdirt
18:16 TR Bot; Towns Portable Sign Ban Shot Down By The 11th Circuit Appeals Court | Techdirt
18:16 TR News; "Watering the garden is important to do regularly if you want your plants to thrive." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/watering-the-garden-with-a-solar-powered-system/ | Source: Hackaday
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18:16 TR Bot; The Garden With A Solar-Powered System | Hackaday
18:19 TR News; Under the guise (or hype) of blockchain and other nonsense the EPO has been pushing illegal European software patents, which it prefers to call CII (a deliberate deception and misnomer) http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/
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18:19 TR Bot; The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights
18:20 TR News; The EPO has fallen into a vicious cycle of capture by corrupt officials looking to cover up their illegal acts, including bribery of those who appoint and reappoint new friends (connections) http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/
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18:20 TR Bot; [Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights
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18:20 TR News; he EPOs fucking president (this is how Antnio Campinos refers to himself) cannot handle the truth, so now hes just blackmailing people who know whats going on inside the Office http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/
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18:20 TR Bot; [Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights
18:21 TR News; Distance, no contact https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/got-covid-meme/
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18:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive [Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions)
18:21 TR News; Suggesting we should be living safely with coronavirus (COVID-19). What next? Living safely with AIDS? Boris? terrorism? Or radical religious bigots who preach violence? In the name of tolerance? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/safely-with-covid/
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18:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending Its No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives)
18:21 TR News; Very soon a million patients and already more than 200,000 dead https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
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18:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on
18:22 TR News; Number of hospitalisations (severe cases of COVID-19) GREW TENFOLD from 2020 to 2022: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/apples-to-apples/
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18:22 TR Bot; Blog Archive NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022)
18:23 TR News; The media here did not even talk about it! https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/uk-200000-covid-19-deaths/
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18:23 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:36 TR News; Links 23/07/2022: FFmpeg 5.1 and KDE Reports | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/kde-reports/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/kde-reports/
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18:36 TR Bot; Links 23/07/2022: FFmpeg 5.1 and KDE Reports | Techrights
18:36 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167560
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18:37 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, Popcorn Computer, Purism, ESP32 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167561
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18:37 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167562
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18:37 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:37 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167563
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18:37 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167564
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18:38 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, Popcorn Computer, Purism, ESP32 | Tux Machines
18:38 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:38 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
18:38 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
19:01 matey; wow https://nm.debian.org/person/marks/
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19:01 TR Bot; Debian New Member Process
19:01 matey; last month, and still
19:01 matey; oh, i think pocock fucked up (on a detail)
19:02 matey; Mark Shuttleworth resigns from Debian: volunteer suicide and Albania questions unanswered, mass resignations continue
19:02 matey; July 21, 2022im not sure thats accurate
19:03 matey; or maybe i just dont understand latin
19:03 matey; ahh, its because i dont understand latin
19:03 matey; emeritus: [noun] a person retired from professional life but permitted to retain as an honorary title
19:03 matey; so like stallman
19:03 matey; fsf emeritus
19:04 matey; mark shuttleworth Status Debian Developer, emeritus since 2022-07-21
19:05 matey; to paraphrase an old soviet joke
19:05 matey; stallman pretends he still works there, and the staff pretend to still work for him
19:07 matey; just like they lay down and pretend theyre still fighting for us
19:08 matey; tbh i always wondered what emeritus means
19:08 matey; its a very useful word in this... community
19:09 matey; i knew it was honourary but... that probably should have been a clue actually
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20:31 britney; https://it.slashdot.org/story/22/07/23/1716258/twitter-data-breach-exposes-contact-details-for-54m-accounts-on-sale-for-30k
20:31 TR Bot; Twitter Data Breach Exposes Contact Details for 5.4M Accounts, on Sale for $30K - Slashdot
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
21:17 AdmFubar; https://t2sde.org/
21:17 TR Bot; T2 SDE - The Open System Development Environment
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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22:25 TR News; Good Languages, Bad Programmers gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/good-languages-bad-programmers.gmi
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22:28 TR News; When programmers wrote bad code https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-linux-driver-patch-brings-a-whopping-100x-performance-uplift-in-ray-traced-vulkan-titles/
22:28 TR Bot; Intel Linux Driver Patch Brings a Whopping 100x Performance Uplift in Ray-Traced Vulkan Titles | Hardware Times
22:37 schestowitz[TR2]; britney: karma for illegally collecting phon enumbers etc.
22:38 schestowitz[TR2]; I hope they get another massive fines and close shop
22:40 TR News; Latest performance tests show Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.19 creeping up on Windows 11 fast - Neowin https://www.neowin.net/news/latest-performance-tests-show-ubuntu-2204-with-linux-519-creeping-up-on-windows-11-fast/ Source: neowin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.neowin.net/news/latest-performance-tests-show-ubuntu-2204-with-linux-519-creeping-up-on-windows-11-fast/
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22:40 TR Bot; Latest performance tests show Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.19 creeping up on Windows 11 fast - Neowin
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22:41 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167565
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22:41 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:41 TR News; Detectree: Open-source tool simplifies data analysis for blue teams, reduces alert fatigue - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/07/22/detectree-open-source-tool/ Source: helpnetsecurity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/07/22/detectree-open-source-tool/
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22:41 TR Bot; Detectree: Open-source tool simplifies data analysis for blue teams, reduces alert fatigue - Help Net Security
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22:43 TR News; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin User Survey https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-user-survey-2487/ Source: postgresql | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-user-survey-2487/
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22:43 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin User Survey
22:43 TR News; "The Coroot team is happy to announce coroot-pg-agent an open-source (Apache 2.0) Postgres exporter for Prometheus focusing on query performance statistics." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/coroot-pg-agent-an-open-source-postgres-exporter-for-prometheus-2488/
22:43 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Coroot-pg-agent - an open-source Postgres exporter for Prometheus
22:44 TR News; "The Relational Riverside Rumble will pit one of the worlds best PostgreSQL DBAs against OtterTunes AI-powered PostgreSQL tuning algorithms, originally developed at Carnegie Mellon University." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/human-vs-ottertune-ai-postgresql-tuning-contest-10000-cash-prize-2485/
22:44 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Human vs. OtterTune AI PostgreSQL tuning contest. $10,000 cash prize
22:46 TR News; Should LINUX DISTROS still PACKAGE applications? The problem with UNOFFICIAL packages - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=j0IhajCNs14 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/j0IhajCNs14
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22:46 TR Bot; Should LINUX DISTROS still PACKAGE applications? The problem with UNOFFICIAL packages - Invidious
22:46 TR News; Kaisen Linux 2.1 Quick overview #linux #KaisenLinux #Shorts - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jGz92fy9I-A | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/jGz92fy9I-A
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22:46 TR Bot; Kaisen Linux 2.1 Quick overview #linux #KaisenLinux #Shorts - Invidious
22:47 TR News; The Zorin OS editions explained - Real Linux User https://www.reallinuxuser.com/the-zorin-os-editions-explained/ Source: reallinuxuser | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.reallinuxuser.com/the-zorin-os-editions-explained/
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22:47 TR Bot; The Zorin OS editions explained - Real Linux User
22:47 TR News; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin, coroot-pg-agent, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167566
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22:47 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin, coroot-pg-agent, and More | Tux Machines
22:49 TR News; Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/ Source: baronhk | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/
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22:49 TR Bot; Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? BaronHK's Rants
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22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:08 TR News; Linux Around The World: Brazil - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-brazil/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/linux-brazil/
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23:08 TR Bot; Around The World: Brazil - LinuxLinks
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23:09 TR News; Business card-sized SBC ships with Intel Core Tiger Lake or AMD Ryzen V2000 processor - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/23/business-card-sized-sbc-ships-with-intel-core-tiger-lake-or-amd-ryzen-v2000-processor/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/23/business-card-sized-sbc-ships-with-intel-core-tiger-lake-or-amd-ryzen-v2000-processor/
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23:09 TR Bot; Business card-sized SBC ships with Intel Core Tiger Lake or AMD Ryzen V2000 processor - CNX Software
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23:13 DaemonFC; Money buys a lot of things, like the ability to change history.
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: nice article
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; re seeamonkey
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; I can see it's very long
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: history is the same
23:16 matey; did they finally call it quits?
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; you can bribe those who tell "history"
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/the-seamonkey-internet-suite-is-still-developed-is-it-right-for-you/
23:17 TR Bot; The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is still developed. Is it right for you? BaronHK's Rants
23:17 matey; anything thats based on mozilla has to prove to me that theyre capable of making it less like spyware
23:18 matey; then on top of that they have to prove that its not done by an idiot like moonchild
23:18 matey; and while theyre at it, they might as well not be using github
23:19 TR News; Reminds me of Wikileaks cablegate, where we saw US ambassadors lobbying for MICROSOFT (while US gov. pays the salary) by crushing GNU/Linux overseas https://www.news24.com/news24/africa/news/new-us-ambassador-to-sa-pledges-to-promote-ubuntu-diplomacy-20220723
23:19 TR Bot; US ambassador to SA pledges to promote 'Ubuntu diplomacy' | News24
23:19 matey; id rather not use anything based on mozilla at all
23:19 schestowitz[TR2]; what do you use?
23:19 schestowitz[TR2]; like, for banks?
23:19 matey; but chromium and mozilla derivs have it locked down
23:19 matey; for banks?
23:19 matey; i go to the bank
23:19 matey; online banking is only better than online voting
23:20 matey; no thanks
23:20 matey; its not that most people will ever lose money
23:20 matey; i simply think online banking is a bad idea
23:20 matey; in a world where we had better security by default?
23:20 matey; where corporations didnt run everything?
23:20 matey; we might not even need online banking
23:20 matey; but in this world we are actually in? no way
23:20 matey; not for me
23:21 TR News; FSD meeting recap 2022-07-15 " Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-07-15 also: ttps://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-07-22
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23:21 TR Bot; FSD meeting recap 2022-07-15 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
23:21 matey; and im a peon
23:21 matey; if i had REAL banking needs
23:21 matey; then id still go into a bank
23:21 matey; because then theyre nice to you
23:21 matey; but im nobody and i still go
23:21 TR News; FSF outsourced its official debate platform to a network where some staff signed an anti-RMS defamation letter
23:22 TR News; Datamash is a command-line program which performs basic numeric, textual and statistical operations on input textual data." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10212
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23:22 TR Bot; GNU Datamash - News: GNU Datamash 1.8 released [Savannah]
23:22 matey; somewhere in between theres banking by phone
23:22 matey; but there are a few issues with that
23:23 matey; im not sure its better than online banking-- in some ways its not (because enabling one enables the other)
23:23 matey; (depending on your bank)
23:23 TR News; GNOME at 25: A Health Checkup Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167567
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23:23 TR Bot; GNOME at 25: A Health Checkup | Tux Machines
23:23 matey; its another option, one i still dont need
23:23 matey; but its worth considering i guess
23:23 TR News; Gemipedia now supports all languages! gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-07-23-multi-language-gemipedia.gmi
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23:24 matey; online banking is a convenience really
23:24 matey; id say its less important than having a car
23:24 matey; and lots of people dont have cars
23:24 TR News; "Recently I was talking to Greta about wikis. Well, I guess we were talking about many different things, including collaboration. She was wondering about the feasibility of a "hypertext network for friends" that I had mentioned wishing for a while back" gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-23%20Collaborating%20on%20small%20things
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23:24 matey; some people "need" it (and some need a car)
23:25 matey; as for what browser i think people should use for online banking-- i dont
23:25 matey; i know some people are going to do online banking, and they accept the risks
23:26 matey; and some browsers are more secure than the others, but theyre only as secure as the user makes them
23:26 matey; you click / install the wrong thing, you do the wrong thing, you type your pin into the wrong thing
23:27 matey; you even punch your pin into an atm that has the wrong thing attached to it
23:27 matey; and your security is done
23:27 matey; statistically, most people will be fine
23:27 matey; in terms of responsibility, fewer people should use online banking, at least
23:28 matey; like a mobile phone, its part "necessity" and part gimmick
23:28 matey; most people who think they need it only think so
23:28 matey; some must be "right"
23:29 matey; out of people who get "hit" how many will go back to using online banking after that?
23:29 matey; i dont know
23:29 matey; some will stop there
23:31 britney; brave is a nice browser
23:31 britney; matey, what browser do you use on openbsd?
23:31 matey; tor browser mostly
23:31 britney; nice
23:31 matey; by no means do i think it is magic bullet
23:31 matey; all browsers are shit
23:31 matey; and the web should be deprecated
23:32 britney; thats unlikely to ever happen
23:32 matey; but whats a better way to wean yourself off the web than using a browser that the web hates to work with
23:33 matey; its one of the few mozilla forks that isnt github-based
23:33 TR News; The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is Still Developed. Is it Right for You? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/seamonkey-reviewed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/seamonkey-reviewed/
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23:33 TR Bot; The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is Still Developed. Is it Right for You? | Techrights
23:33 matey; sadly they signed the anti-rms letter but so did mozilla, so id rather use one than both
23:33 matey; and mozilla are more evil than tor for MANY reasons
23:33 matey; mozilla lies about privacy
23:33 matey; tor probably does too-- but there are usages that back up the claims
23:34 matey; SOME of the claims
23:34 britney; matey, you won't use software if its on github?
23:34 matey; i know roy disputes this
23:34 matey; i think he protests too much, he could be right, but im sceptical
23:34 matey; i dont think tor is bulletproof
23:34 matey; i avoid software thats based on github as much as any person reasonably can
23:34 britney; tor is better than nothing
23:34 matey; i defy anyone to go to greater lengths to avoid it than i have
23:35 matey; indeed, it would be very happy if people made github more of an option, and less of a monopoly
23:35 matey; github-based stuff is in every level of the stack
23:35 matey; right down to the programming languages themselves
23:35 matey; exceptions exist-- not many
23:36 matey; github controls more than half of free software
23:36 TR News; Fairphone: Five years of responsible gold https://www.fairphone.com/en/2022/07/22/five-years-of-responsible-gold/
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23:36 TR Bot; years of responsible gold - Fairphone
23:36 matey; maybe more than 75%
23:36 britney; yeah thats why I asked
23:36 matey; i wouldnt be shocked if it was 90, but there are many ways to count
23:36 matey; a microsoft monopoly will NEVER be freedom
23:36 matey; the fsf lies
23:36 matey; theyre not even the fsf anymore
23:36 TR News; Steam Deck: The Ratio of Verified Titles is Falling. Whats Happening? - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-the-ratio-of-verified-titles-is-falling-whats-happening/ Source: boilingsteam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-the-ratio-of-verified-titles-is-falling-whats-happening/
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23:37 TR Bot; Steam Deck: The Ratio of Verified Titles is Falling. What's Happening? - Boiling Steam
23:37 matey; and the rate at which people leave is NOT that impressive
23:37 matey; but i am hopeful for the long run-- right now, its not great
23:38 techuser; I doubt it will become better
23:38 matey; and anyone who tells you its getting (significantly) better is probably full of shit (for now)
23:38 britney; the fsf lies? about what?
23:38 matey; everything!
23:38 matey; theyre completely full of crap now
23:38 matey; just marketing. theyre not the fsf.
23:38 matey; theyre as much about free software and stallman
23:38 matey; as lf is about linux and torvalds
23:39 matey; (at least they actually run gnu, unlike lf)
23:39 matey; (so thats a slight exaggeration)
23:39 matey; lf runs a mac and says they promote linux
23:39 matey; its so sad
23:40 matey; I doubt it will become better <- i think youre actually more pessimistic than i am, about a number of things
23:40 TR News; Getting Stuck and Unstuck - Gulag Summer of Labour post #8 https://snehit.dev/posts/kde/gsoc-22/getting-stuck-and-unstuck/
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23:40 TR Bot; Getting Stuck and Unstuck - GSoC'22 post #8
23:40 matey; it took a fuckload of work to become as optimistic as i am :)
23:40 TR News; Returning to Hacker Summer Camp · System Overlord https://systemoverlord.com/2022/07/20/returning-to-hacker-summer-camp.html Source: systemoverlord | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//systemoverlord.com/2022/07/20/returning-to-hacker-summer-camp.html
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23:40 TR Bot; Returning to Hacker Summer Camp System Overlord
23:40 matey; which is hilarious, because most people still (with pretty good reason) consider me a pessimist
23:41 matey; and theyre probably right. but pessimists can be optimists too
23:41 matey; i mean pessimists can be optimistic
23:41 TR News; GNU Datamash 1.8 and the FSFs FSD Meetings Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167568
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23:41 matey; (a lot of pessimists are very closeted optimists)
23:41 TR Bot; GNU Datamash 1.8 and the FSF's FSD Meetings | Tux Machines
23:42 TR News; Soil Moisture Sensor with Arduino Uno https://peppe8o.com/soil-moisture-sensor-with-arduino-uno/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/soil-moisture-sensor-with-arduino-uno/
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23:42 matey; its not just one closet, its more like the opening theme of "get smart"
23:42 TR Bot; Soil Moisture Sensor with Arduino Uno
23:42 TR News; Another diploma mill or a genuine thing, for a change? https://www.ridgecrestca.com/news/cerro-coso-to-launch-cloud-computing-and-linux-administration-certificates-this-fall/article_7d44b664-0863-11ed-b29c-bf55ebc78ee1.html
23:42 TR Bot; Coso to Launch Cloud Computing and Linux Administration certificates this fall | News | ridgecrestca.com
23:42 TR News; This Week in GNOME: #53 GUADEC 202 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167569
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23:42 TR Bot; This Week in GNOME: #53 GUADEC 202 | Tux Machines
23:43 matey; which is all over youtube, for anyone who hasnt seen it
23:43 TR News; [git pull] drm fixes for 5.19-rc8 https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/165852047184.15752.15754098115255802753.pr-tracker-bot@kernel.org/T/#t Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/165852047184.15752.15754098115255802753.pr-tracker-bot@kernel.org/T/#t
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23:43 TR Bot; [git pull] drm fixes for 5.19-rc8
23:45 TR News; Slashdot feels like it's run by "EditorDavid" from ZDNet now. Has ./ become Microsoft-funded media by extension???
23:45 matey; fun fact
23:46 matey; the fsf doesnt actually know if youtube-dl is free software or not
23:46 TR News; freedreno: Enable A619 https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=d3b38213e57533ec88a85fcf7b62671c711285a0
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23:46 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
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23:46 matey; some people think it runs non-free js
23:46 matey; im not sure it does-- but its so convoluted, its that hard to say
23:47 matey; i dont think running grep on non-free software counts as execution
23:47 TR News; The coin-operated SJVN as stenographer for ICBM (relaying face-saving lies for them). Guess who pays for these articles. ICBM pays ZDNet (fact). http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167174#comment-34418
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23:47 TR Bot; Red Hat Changes CEO | Tux Machines
23:47 matey; so just putting information in js to be parsed shouldnt count as running non-free sw
23:47 matey; but we dont conclusively know
23:48 matey; the official position seems to be-- or the closest thing to one seems to be
23:48 matey; its free until we know otherwise
23:48 matey; but we still dont know
23:48 TR News; Converting a Commodore PET into a USB docking station | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/converting-a-commodore-pet-into-a-usb-docking-station/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/converting-a-commodore-pet-into-a-usb-docking-station/
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23:48 TR Bot; Converting a Commodore PET into a USB docking station | Arduino Blog
23:48 matey; also it changes constantly
23:48 matey; because of the webapi
23:48 matey; for this reason, they shouldnt assume rust is free either...
23:48 matey; but they will
23:48 matey; of course if rust isnt free, theyre fucked
23:49 matey; so fully-free software will be replaced, of course, with politics
23:49 matey; the worst kind of politics, the smarmy kind
23:49 matey; the kind where if you touch it with a 10 foot pole, you wash your hands and throw away the pole
23:50 matey; and the obviously leader of these smarmy politics from hell will be none other free sofware lucifer himself
23:50 matey; bradley kuhn
23:51 matey; thatll be fun
23:51 matey; strap in, its going to be a fun decade (if we are lucky, only 5 years. ARE we?)
23:52 matey; #stallmanwasright
23:52 matey; when he said microsoft wasnt the "great satan" i was of course sceptical
23:52 matey; but given what kuhn has done-- i understand why stallman said this
23:52 matey; some things are even worse than microsoft
23:53 matey; like sfc, i guess
23:54 matey; though as far as actual visceral hate goes, im pretty sure microsoft will always be #1 for me (or close enough)
23:54 TR News; Q4OS 4.9 is out. No update here yet: https://q4os.org/blog.html
=> ↺ https://q4os.org/blog.html
23:54 TR Bot; Q4OS - desktop operating system
23:54 matey; lets give him a chance though
23:55 TR News; stdlib: Add arc4random, arc4random_buf, and arc4random_uniform (BZ #4417) https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=6f4e0fcfa2d2b0915816a3a3a1d48b4763a7dee2
=> ↺ https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=6f4e0fcfa2d2b0915816a3a3a1d48b4763a7dee2
23:55 TR Bot; Git - glibc.git/commit
23:55 matey; i mean, maybe someday he can top them
23:55 matey; mjg says kuhn isnt... (i think hes jealous)
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; bkuhn studied CS IIRC
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; baltimore or something
23:56 matey; mjg should take comfort in the fact that at least he doesnt look like penfold from dangermouse
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; bkuhn is not dumb
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; he does not dislike free software
23:56 matey; i didnt say dumb
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; what I don't like is,
23:56 matey; i said he was free software lucifer
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; how he wanted to throw rms under the buss
23:56 schestowitz[TR2]; to prop up his own shop, sfc
23:57 matey; he does not dislike free software <- sfc <3 linux
23:57 matey; he doesnt dislike it, but will destroy it for personal gain
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; this is why he was removed from fsf
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; the board told hik to choose
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; so he did
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and resighned
23:57 matey; and then destroyed the fsf
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; they were put under gag order at the time
23:57 matey; with lots of help
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; but I got sources
23:58 matey; oh i assume most of that story is true
23:58 matey; but that makes the title of lucifer fit that much more
23:58 matey; i dont throw that around
23:58 matey; i could, but i dont
23:59 matey; if you want special titles that apply to very few people
23:59 matey; you cant use them on everyone, right
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; tbh I never quite like bkuhn for other reasons
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; his manners
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; he felt very patronising in identica
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; barely replied to people
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; and they agreed with me
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; when I pointed it out
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; even fsf volunteers
23:59 schestowitz[TR2]; he felt rather pretentious to them
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