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Written by bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 13:38

My call for European governments to retain at least a core IT/communication/email/file capability that is independent of US clouds. Named after the iconic Radio Kootwijk which we built in response to the English cutting off our communications with Indonesia in 1916: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/communicating-without-musk-and-trump-cloud-kootwijk/

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Written by Menno Deij - van Rijswijk on 2025-02-02 at 14:38

@bert_hubert to be called cloudwijk, obvs

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Written by burakemir on 2025-02-02 at 14:49

@bert_hubert Reminds me, I read about the German Bundeswehr's use of matrix recently, covering healthcare communications. It seems like a good use of every nation's army resources to invest in critical infrastructure since they are also supposed to protect it after all. https://element.io/de/matrix-in-deutschland

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Written by The Matrix.org Foundation on 2025-02-02 at 20:57

@burakemir @bert_hubert The ridiculous thing on this is that funding for Matrix from govts is still incredibly small (and not sustainable) thanks to the freerider effect (“why would we pay subscription for something that’s free?”), while they continue to pump huge amounts of € to proprietary US SaaS platforms. ZenDiS and Sweden get it right, but they can’t shoulder it all. We urgently need help.

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Written by edzob on 2025-02-03 at 18:14

@matrix

did you talk to @kurtseifried ?

I think he was part of a german open source funding initiative.

https://www.sovereign.tech/about

@burakemir @bert_hubert

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Written by kurtseifried (he/him) on 2025-02-03 at 19:48

@edzob @matrix @burakemir @bert_hubert yup it’s at https://apply.sovereigntechfund.de

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Written by The Matrix.org Foundation on 2025-02-04 at 00:08

@kurtseifried @edzob @burakemir @bert_hubert yup, we are talking to STA/STF (but haven’t had success yet; hopefully this tome will change!)

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Written by Eelco Maljaars 🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 14:54

@bert_hubert Geweldige vergelijking en goed tastbaar voor een groter publiek, prima werk Bert!

En als we Cloud Kootwijk gaan bouwen, dan hoor ik graag hoe ik bij kan dragen.

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Written by Bert Hubert NL 🇺🇦🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 14:56

@Eelcom @bert_hubert@fosstodon.org mail vooral met bert@hubertnet.nl en kootwijk in het subject, dan vergeet ik het niet!

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Written by Eelco Maljaars 🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 15:01

@bert_hubert @bert_hubert@fosstodon.org :dancing_banana: 👍

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Written by JoannaCanFixIT on 2025-02-02 at 18:44

@Eelcom the irony.....

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Written by AWoAfjw on 2025-02-02 at 16:42

@bert_hubert follow the new Hashtag #unplugtrump maybe interesting for you.

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Written by michiel on 2025-02-02 at 17:25

@bert_hubert heb je tenminste even overwogen het "de Kootwolk" te normen?

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Written by bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 19:25

@michiel Nee :-) Maar leuk idee.

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Written by Ton Zijlstra on 2025-02-02 at 19:46

@bert_hubert @michiel Cloudwijk?

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Written by Serge Droz on 2025-02-02 at 17:37

@bert_hubert welcome to the club. It seems to me, that governments in Europe see IT as a nuisance not an opportunity nor do they seem to understand that the cloud doesn't just come out of an Ethernet cable. And they seem to fall for the "the data center is in our jurisdiction and we have a contract" fallacy.

If you say this doesn't protect you, you're called paranoid and accused of being overly critical.

Good luck I hope the right people read this, but I fear they won't

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Written by bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺 on 2025-02-02 at 19:24

@sergedroz This stuff does get read (these days) by the right people. It even gets discussed. But the question is if someone gets up to DO something.

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Written by Serge Droz on 2025-02-03 at 06:56

@bert_hubert then you're one step ahead. I feel it's more of an hypothetical discussion, a bit like climate change. The argument always seems to be "Let's stay realistic" completely ignoring the facts. It's wishful thinking.

Maybe it doesn't come to the worst, good. But you can't bank on it.

It seems like someone at the doctor's place who is told he has cancer and needs a hefty therapy. Few say no, because the diagnosis could be wrong or the disease might go away without it.

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Written by Raito Bezarius on 2025-02-02 at 17:41

@bert_hubert it feels like to me that MinBZK is already investing towards that end while working with the FR and DE gov on La Suite and openDesk

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Written by JoannaCanFixIT on 2025-02-02 at 18:46

@bert_hubert that would be reasonable if not for European politicians wanting/dreaming to be exactly like Trump. We need literally Peoples Internet and Network, not controlled by government or corporations.

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Written by Rupert on 2025-02-02 at 19:28

@bert_hubert It's been 8 years and I still get vertigo from people talking about a Europe that doesn't include UK. 😭

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Written by Jan Terpstra on 2025-02-02 at 19:51

@bert_hubert we can do this.

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Written by Hraban (fiëé visuëlle) on 2025-02-02 at 20:27

@bert_hubert While I agree with the need for independent European IT infrastructure, I wouldn’t use a colonial name. We want to build a better future and don’t need references to a bad past for that.

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Written by Michael Smith (Neo) on 2025-02-02 at 20:51

@bert_hubert great monument to visit too when you’re in the Netherlands. Highly recommend.

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Written by Erik on 2025-02-02 at 22:02

@bert_hubert love it!

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Written by circfruit on 2025-02-02 at 22:19

@bert_hubert very interesting. I haven’t thought about this.

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Written by Gilles Massen on 2025-02-03 at 07:13

@bert_hubert I try to convey that message whenever possible. Not always appreciated.

Unfortunately your example is a bit too accurate for comfort: e.g. for email lots of govs/large enterprises are so far down the road that it would be very hard to rebuild the lost expertise. So they need to be out of alternatives before acting.

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