Ancestors

Written by sidereal on 2025-02-01 at 23:53

People I know are talking about writing to their senators and I’m just like man. We’re so far past that

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Written by sidereal on 2025-02-01 at 23:55

When no one rioted after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, I think most of the fascists were like “oh yeah, no one is gonna stop us” and so far they’ve been basically correct

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Written by Caro S. on 2025-02-02 at 09:20

@sidereal I had the same thought about Western democratic governments and COVID. They successfully disappeared a still ongoing pandemic, now they're less circumspect about dismantling the rule of law in their countries. Some more blatant than others, but all going into the same direction.

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Written by inquiline on 2025-02-02 at 09:22

@Heidentweet @sidereal

I've been trying to think about how this connects to the pandemic too, bc it absolutely does.

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Written by Caro S. on 2025-02-02 at 09:43

@inquiline

Disability activists like Imani Barbarin and the people from Death Panel have been warning about this for years now.

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Toot

Written by inquiline on 2025-02-02 at 09:46

@Heidentweet @sidereal

Yes tho I think my current musing is on a more perhaps psychoanalytic, less material/ist wavelength, and I'm too tired to articulate it. Something like the leaders are angry at a virus and workers' frailties for breaking their sense of control

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Descendants

Written by Caro S. on 2025-02-02 at 10:21

@inquiline

That's very interesting. Imani Barbarin also addresses the psychology of this.

Although I think that angry response of our leaders started around 1792 or so. In my own research I was surprised when I read the names of old noble families funding the attacks on gender in Europe, and then realised I shouldn't have been. There's still so much to unpack ... 😞

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Written by sidereal on 2025-02-02 at 15:20

@Heidentweet @inquiline Yeah, I would argue that the world has essentially been fighting the unfinished French Revolution — whicy is to say, really, the unfinished Haitian Revolution — since about the 1780’s. We will win when there are no more aristocrats or landlords…

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Written by Miloš Jovanović on 2025-02-02 at 18:30

@sidereal @Heidentweet @inquiline I think it’s more the case that no revolution is completely finished and we live with the crud of previous systems embedded. I read the US as having failed its bourgeois revolution three times (Reconstruction, New Deal, Civil Rights), and the reverberations of that. But also what’s happening here now didn’t start here and owes a lot to LatAm and Eastern European developments.

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Written by sidereal on 2025-02-02 at 18:32

@loshmi @Heidentweet @inquiline Arguably the first failed USA bourgeois revolution was the American Revolutionary War 🤣

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Written by Miloš Jovanović on 2025-02-02 at 19:01

@sidereal @Heidentweet @inquiline You’re not wrong, although it somehow doesn’t sit right with me. It WAS radical but I don’t see the same kind of building of state apparatus and citizenship that I would associate with bourgeois revolution. I could be mistaken though.

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Written by sidereal on 2025-02-02 at 19:53

@loshmi @Heidentweet @inquiline I think that stuff sort of happened before and after the formal “fighting with the British” period of the ARW. Like small town New England semi-democratic assemblies date back to the 1600’s. There were also a lot of strikes, boycotts, and slave revolts in the 1760’s and continuing into the 1790’s (Bacon’s Rebellion, etc) — the pre- and post-ARW ruling class’s response to this was the bourgeois revolution, IMO.

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Written by sidereal on 2025-02-02 at 19:54

@loshmi @Heidentweet @inquiline Like this is getting off topic but the American Revolutionaries initially flew the flag of the British East India Company before they made their own flag. They didn’t necessarily want formal political separation from Britain, just economic “independence” to do things like colonize the interior of the continent and enslave human beings

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Written by inquiline on 2025-02-02 at 20:24

@Heidentweet

That's also very interesting. Anyway I was just noodling, I have no expertise in that kind of analysis but sometimes it's helpful to think of facets I wouldn't normally consider (but then I can't be articulate about them) (am still poorly rested, was up half the night worrying about all of this, which did not help anything)

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