Part of me wonders weather the people here are only saying this doom and gloom stuff because its someone from a party that isn't theirs or its Trump specifically. Most of me believes the former and not the latter because again, all democrats want is their party to win and that's it, no other parties should have power ever and that's how they think. If there was a reasonable republican in office, they'd still say the same stuff, the sky is falling and the world is ending. #Politics, #USPol
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@gocu54 annnd you're muted for terminal stupidity.
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@gocu54 what about when people all over the planet, who don't support the GOP or Dems raise alarms that Trump and his supporters are dangerous in the way that Hitler and his supporters were in the 1930's?
Just partisan squealing?
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@steviesyerda I don't know, maybe they're jumping the gun here, the man has only had a week in office. Can we not wait for a while to have a real judgement call here?
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he's had 4 previous years in office, 4 years denying what everyone saw on live tv on January 6th 2021, 1 felony conviction and 1 civil rape conviction.
Seems like enough to be able to base a basic opinion upon, no?
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@steviesyerda FOr him yes, but for other republicans who aren't him or part of the maga crowd, no.
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fair point that no one should be judging people who don't support Trump based on things Trump does. I'll continue judging Trump and his supporters on that basis though, and I believe they are a danger to America and the rest of the world, not because I am partisan in terms of American politics but because they are anti-democratic and in support of even greater inequality than we already have
Be well
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@steviesyerda Fair point, and I agree with you on that basis. thank you for being civilized.
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@tinygirl @gocu54 Trump's the current scapegoat, but he certainly hasn't helped his own case by some of the stuff he's come out with over the years. But if it was any other republican who got in, they'd still be coming up with crap. remember how bush was blamed for september 11th? The whole Inside Job conspiracy theory?
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@maerlynofmiria @tinygirl Yeah, and all that turnned out to be completely false.
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@gocu54 @tinygirl Yeah, it was proven to be false, but it's still being said, regardless of how there's no proof to back it up.
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@gocu54 No granted I've only really been paying attention since 2000 or so, but when JW Bush was in the whitehouse I don't ever recall hearing "oh my god oh my god we're gonna die." There was a lot of, "I don't agree with his decisions," and a good bit of "he's stupid," but nothing worse than I've heard from Republicans in the past 9 years. I'm curious to know what the day to day culture was like with Reagan.
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@Fragglemuppet Sure, some of Bush's decisions were bone-headed, but its not like he was seen as Hitler. I just don't understand this.
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@gocu54 Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's different, and it wasn't always like this.
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@Fragglemuppet I fear it will never change back to the way it once was.
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@gocu54 I'm waiting to see if we actually get the chance to vote in 4 years.
I also say if you want us to respect our leaders, hey, that's what I want too! Just give us leaders we can respect!
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@Fragglemuppet I have a feeling we'll be voting in 4 years. I don't see us losing that right and people will fight, yes, even using violence to protect it.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet you've contradicted yourself. On the one hand you're saying that Bush wasn't seen as Hitler and, on the other hand you're saying that people would react the same whoever the President was if he wasn't one of theirs. I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I am based in the UK and admittedly left leaning. Here are a comprehensive list of reasons why Trump has me worried like no other President, including some I consider war criminals.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet Publically voiced support for torture. Publically encouraged police brutality in a speech. Pardoned 1600 people, some of whom caused cops brain damage and heart attacks. Isn't ruling out military force to annex Greenland. Joked about being happy if journalists get shot. Is filling the civil service with people loyal to him and going after those who spoke against him. Is going after attempts at inclusion and accessibility by the government.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet Initially refused to condemn white supremicist violence in the Charlottesville riots. Is a convicted fellon. Insighted an insurrection which his supporters are now trying to reframe as peaceful protest. Indorses brinksmanship routinely, as in the fire and fury speech about North Korea. Says such ignorant and stereotypical things in interviews as you can tell a human trafficker just by looking at them.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet Has someone who publically did a Nazi salute, twice! Twice! on his team, without censure. Repeatedly says things that just aren't true and have been widely and independently debunked such as widespread election fraud, which, you may notice, he didn't seem to regard as an issue when he won. He emboldens authoritarians and politics by military force everywhere. If none of that is of concern, then I dunno what to tell ya.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet In short, it's Trump. People who take a stand for civil rites should be fired, climate change's a myth, if you're a star you can grab women by the crotch when you feel like it, politicians who don't like what I'm saying of a different skin colour or ancestry should go back where they came from, Trump that we take issue with. I didn't like Bush, the Iraq war was a stain on the rep of the free world, but he was no Trump.
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@JustinMac84 @Fragglemuppet I'm glad I got a definitive answer to my question.
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@JustinMac84 @gocu54 And people didn't just make up that he's a felon. That's not something you say about people you just don't like. That's a matter of record, and should be enough for anyone who respects the law.
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@Fragglemuppet @JustinMac84 I agree with you. He is a criminal and by that logic should not have been president and yet he is. I'm not saying Harris would have been better though. Marco Rubio would have been my choice.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet @JustinMac84 IN my view, he shouldn't have been in the presidential race in any way, shape or form.
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@carrottop1023 @Fragglemuppet @JustinMac84 I do have to agree. I would rather we had someone else other than Trump in the race but now people have to deal with it .
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@gocu54 @carrottop1023 @Fragglemuppet Just please don't think this is the same old republicans against dems dems against republicans two-step. It isn't. I genuinely believe, right or wrong, that Trump and his backers are an existential threat to democracy, not just in America but elsewhere. I'll sit down with anyone who respects democracy, free speech and the rule of law. Otherwise, all bets are off.
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@JustinMac84 @carrottop1023 @Fragglemuppet Thank you for saying this. This is all I was trying to say and yet in many ways, I'm seen as a pro-nazi supporter when that can further from the truth.
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@gocu54 @carrottop1023 @Fragglemuppet Trouble is, I think, personally, Republicans need to come out as pro Republican and anti-Trump. Your party is tainted now. It's no longer an honest disagreement, but a deeply toxic, increasingly unstable divide. The worse it gets, the more Republicans will be tarred with his brush.
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@JustinMac84 @carrottop1023 @Fragglemuppet I agree and it will suck for generations.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet Harris absolutely would have been better. Any reasonable, pre-trump Republican, not emboldened by what he's got away with, would have been better. Anyone respecting democracy, not demanding personal loyalty, not a criminal would have been better. I'm a pro-union, pro free health care, pro the environment, pro regulation, pro wellfare left-winger and long live the Republican party I say. I also say, down with Trump and all he stands for!
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@JustinMac84 @Fragglemuppet Even though the left and the right have different views on issues, real republicans would have at least made a compromise with leftests.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet For me it's not even about compromise or don't. It's about don't be a criminal. Don't tell lies that undermine trust in institutions and democracy. Don't revoke the security clearance of people who said nasty things about you. Sticks and stones and all that. Just be a responsible leader.
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@JustinMac84 @Fragglemuppet All this, I agree with.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet I have no problem with Republicans. It's nice to hear their opinions. There's too little of what they have to say on here. A democracy needs at least two parties to function. I want to hear what the other side has to say. I'm receptive to it. I'm not receptive to Trump.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet One time, I was stranded at an airport and a Republican family had me back to their house for dinner. Proper southern hospitality. We got talking politics and I didn't say much. Just listened. They said a bunch that I had no answer for. Made me think. I wish I could meet more like them. The food was great, the insights even better.
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@JustinMac84 @Fragglemuppet I'm glad you listened. Thank you for understanding my point of view.
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@gocu54 @Fragglemuppet ! you don't think some of what Trump has done or plans to do is harmful to American Society? Getting rid of diversity equity and inclusion? Thatβs definitely going to have an effect on Accessibility, both digital and physical. And he just hit Canada with 25% tariffs which could go up because I have a feeling that we are not going to take this line down. There has been a lot of free trade between Canada and the US over the years, and I donβt think most Americans realize how much of the goods they consume from day-to-day actually comes from Canada.
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@lynessence @Fragglemuppet Oh, I didn't say it wouldn't be harmful, I just take issue with the whole the sky is falling idea.
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@gocu54 @lynessence I agree it can get too much sometimes, but I can't blame people for being scared and upset and needing to vent. With CWs, all is well. But I will keep encouraging people to try and find the little positive things.
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@gocu54 There have been reasonable republicans in office and they did not get this response from most people. This guy is neither reasonable nor a republican, and deserves this response from most people.
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@quanin I don't know, considering the current political climate, I see this no longer happening in the future. In the future, it'll be all republican presidents are nazis and no less.
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@gocu54 The solution is for the Republican party to stop fucking nominating Nazis. They literally had better options than Trump and still chose Trump. Twice. As if they didn't learn their lesson the first time.
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@quanin Personally, during the 2016 election, i would have loved it if Jeb Bush became president but it didn't happen.
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@gocu54 See, and that's just it. IF he had, you wouldn't have seen the response you saw with Trump. Because here's the thing. Jeb is a lot of things, including sometimes as dumb as his father. But he's no racist, ableist Nazi. The last Republican president before Trump was criticized for declaring war on Iraq over WMD's that never existed. That was still better than Trump.
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@quanin Even Bush admited in a documentary that it was not his best decision to invade Iraq.
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@gocu54 That's exactly my point. Bush was a reasonable republican. Yes, he made mistakes, was called out for those mistakes. But he owned them. These are not mistakes Trump is making. He's being called out for them, and does not care. Because the America he wants is an America where he can blame visually impaired people for causing the planes to crash, and have the average moron believe him. https://apnews.com/article/trump-crash-reagan-washington-buttigieg-diversity-biden-ef1e07684bbc845e9e7981c1ae060af2
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