IDK man, but this DEI hire is teaching a 6 day class on industrial cybersecurity while also keeping up with a DFIR job while also selling a house and doing two visa applications alone while all this shit waves is going on. And even cleaned the gutters. But it’s probably because I have t**s.
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This shit hurts extra because I had zero legs up in just about anything I have achieved in my career or hobbies, and doing it all before substantial DEI initiatives made it so a lot of people in authority told me to fuck off no matter how hard I worked. It took me years to break into professional cybersecurity. Nobody would mentor me. Professional groups made it purposefully uncomfortable to join. My degree program was 95% men. I had to room with another career in Air Force training. I smiled and shut up through rape jokes and studied alone.
I’ve dedicated so much of my life to making sure nobody else hit those same real road blocks in mentoring and finding jobs, but almost all the progress we have made in my lifetime in the US is just gone, overnight.
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Talking about a meritocracy just because you think you hire and promote equally at your personal organization based on only skill is painfully naive. The pipeline is the problem. Breaking in is the problem.
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@hacks4pancakes you made a difference. It isn’t gone. The federal government isn’t the country. It’s harder now. And the problems they’re putting in our way are real, but you made (and make) a difference.
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@hacks4pancakes
It's only gone if we let it go. We shouldn't push the burden onto the government, we should be doing it ourselves. The mentoring, keeping workplaces professional, et al.
Now I have a bias. I work for a very diverse company, but no one is here with any DEI shadow. Everyone is here on merit. So I view the world differently, because I can see what's possible. And we're not letting it go.
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@infoseclogger you are naive if you think the diverse people in your org who you say are there purely on merit got there without facing educational, social, and professional challenges long before they got to your door - or that forcibly removing those challenges didn’t help some of them. Your individual org being equal doesn’t fix the pipeline.
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I can only control what I can control. I know what some have overcome, they have shared. My point is that progress doesn't disappear in a day, and more people are in positions to make sure that opportunity doesn't evaporate.
I have gone through the same issues myself. I choose to help where I can. Not be overwhelmed and give up.
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@hacks4pancakes This situation sucks. And it's blatantly unfair. :(
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@hacks4pancakes You are a badass, and an inspiration. Don't let anyone ever tell you different.
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@hacks4pancakes the belief that it’s possible to set aside socially-ingrained biases and actually promote based solely on skill is also pretty naive. Studies have repeatedly shown that different demographics exhibiting the same traits get scored differently based on their demographic. E.g., Strong leadership is good in men, but in women it’s “bossy.”
Bias is unconscious and pervasive. Without recognition of that fact, and deliberate steps to mitigate it, a true meritocracy is not possible.
This is in addition to (or possibly contributing to) the pipeline problem.
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@mathaetaes @hacks4pancakes I've seen so many useless nepo hires, and people who were neither kind nor all that smart or skilled promoted to team leads and higher. It's all just so gross and disfunctional.
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@mathaetaes @hacks4pancakes ... and the only people with the ability to change it think it's working just fine. For you to say otherwise erodes their ego psychologically, which isn't a great start :P
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@hacks4pancakes this is absolutely right. We tried very hard to hire underrepresented people and had to compete with the pipeline (tiny straw) produced trickle which had us in direct competition with Google and Microsoft and Netscape. The pipeline was a huge problem.
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@hacks4pancakes
The financial catastrophe of the mortgage-backed securities crisis was completely caused by white men. They were considered the best of the financial elites in the world, worth every penny of their million dollar salaries and billion dollar stock grants. And the financial collapse was everywhere, none of them saw it coming.
Anyone can tank an investment bank as CEO, a preschooler with a magic eight ball could do it.
And somehow people still believe in meritocracy.
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meritocracy is one of those concepts, like democracy, that is lovely in theory but tends to break down when it depends on being done correctly and honestly by human beings.
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The problem with meritocracy
Trump & the rest of his meritocrats think it means you are given something like a job or money because you deserve it
And you deserve it because you are somehow superior to people who don't deserve it
And this superiority is derived from a number of factors, but mainly that you are rich, white & know other rich white people
To them, it does not mean you earned or are qualified for whatever your given
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@staringatclouds @firebreathingduck @hacks4pancakes
indeed. i think those folks have confused "merit" with "inherent privilege"....
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No, I disagree. I think they're so blind to the privilege they're born into that they actually think their intelligence and work ethic is the sole cause of their success.
I bet Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and countless other billionaires have unshakable faith that if they had been born to a single white woman in rural Kentucky, they would still have reached their exact current position.
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that's my point. what they think is "merit" is actually "inherent privilege".
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@paul_ipv6 @staringatclouds @hacks4pancakes
I'm sorry, I misunderstood the part of your post
And this superiority is derived from a number of factors, but mainly that you are rich, white & know other rich white people
to be meant literally. Since you also meant it as blindness to privilege, we're in total agreement.
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"Inherit privilege," if you will ..
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@paul_ipv6 @firebreathingduck @hacks4pancakes Democracy is bloody challenging in theory and practice, it’s not “nice” at all. Just much better than how every alternative system has played out, in practice.
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The biggest problem is that merit is always in the eyes of the beholder.
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@hacks4pancakes "The pipeline is leaky and full of acid," as the saying went some 10 years ago.
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@hacks4pancakes I will say.
..Hiring based on merit is a valid way to hire.
It's just that, like, assuming a person has merit because they're a white dude is fucking stupid.
Speaking as a white dude who's good at specific things, no one should listen to me about financial systems.
Need a computer fixed, from the hardware up through layer 8? I'm your guy. Or, you know, any of the millions of non-white-male folks out there who are easily as competent as I am (often moreso). I did network and application security work, but if someone came to me on the topic and you and I were in the same room, I might just get a little angry that they assumed the bearded white guy knew more than Lesley fucking Carhart.
Need a pipe fixed? Call a plumber, not a programmer. Don't just grab the nearest white guy you see and assume he can fix it. (For example, I'll fix it, and then in six months you'll have to call a real plumber. Not that, uh, that exact thing happened to me recently or anything)
The notorious cheeto is glomming on to this concept of meritocracy, but the thing is: DEI is a meritocracy. It gives everyone the chance to demonstrate they have merit,and,surprise surprise, humans of all shapes, sizes, colors and identities are good at things, it's sort of what defines us as a species.
(sorry, that got a little ranty, I've been festering about this for too long I think)
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@hacks4pancakes Their talk of a meritocracy is smoke and mirrors. If they really intended to hire on merit, there would be no reason to revoke an executive order that prevents them from discriminating based on race, sex, etc. They revoked it because the know damned well that they will be discriminating based on all of them!
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@hacks4pancakes
Also the sheer chutzpah of complaining that "DEI means less competent people get hired" when survivorship means that experienced "diverse" hires are always f-ckin amazing and resilient
https://newsie.social/@TheNeedling/113915559973485581
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@hacks4pancakes exactly. By the time I see a job application, so much damage has already been done. So much great talent potential has been crushed.
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@hacks4pancakes
Honestly, I'm not going to believe someone when they say they do it. If they say they try and then want to talk about the ways in which they know they fail and the places where they probably have blind spots? Yeah, maybe. But I've seen too many "progressive" employers where the pipeline ends in a dumpster of broken glass.
Like, to the point where I'm genuinely unsure about the ethics of working to improve the pipeline when even most of the best folks are forced out of the industry by 35.
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Yeah, I mean, in what context does “It’s not MY fault so it’s not MY problem!!” ever actually build confidence in the person saying it?
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@hacks4pancakes The pipeline definitely is a problem. While in the IC I observed that we had at least 95%+ resumes from only white men for our openings. If we got a resume from a woman or minority we'd interview, but it just happened so rarely. The field was scientific and technical intelligence, not geopolitical. Which surely was an underlying issue.
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@hacks4pancakes Nevermind "DEI hires." "Conformity hires" are the problem.
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@hacks4pancakes
Communism is to Corruption and Meritocracy is to Personal Biases.
They both look good on paper, but implementation is impossible.
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@hacks4pancakes I wrote this a decade ago… https://blog.goodstuff.im/filling_the_pipeline
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@hacks4pancakes the progress will return. We just have to weather the storm, and help out on a smaller scale in the meantime. Don’t let them see you rattled. Just carry on as the shining example that you are.
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@hacks4pancakes FWIW (nothing I guess?) If I were in a position to hire I would want the best people around me. It's what's between your ears that counts IMHO.
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@hacks4pancakes There is a saying that there are two kinds of people: The first says "It was hard for me so it should be hard for you too" the second one says "it was hard for me, how do we make it easier for you". I'm happy you are in the second camp.
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@hacks4pancakes I feel for you. I'm not going to try to sugarcoat things. We've seen 50 years of progress vanish in the last two weeks. But you know what? I read your post and see what you've done to help others, and you're a hero. That's not gone—no one can ever take that away from you.
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@hacks4pancakes I am mentoring at least 4/ year usually at least 3 are not white males. We can but try. But what happens to your country is such a tragedy. Reminiscent of yea you know only too well.
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@tjolsen @hacks4pancakes So so sad.
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@hacks4pancakes literally 😭 rn
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@hacks4pancakes For those who want to keep doing it, they need to do it quietly, with another name
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