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Written by NudeNewt@lemm.ee on 2025-01-29 at 08:46

What are some alternatives to their various services you'd all recommend? o

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Written by hendrik on 2025-01-29 at 08:57

Tuta Mail plus Mullvad?

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Written by NudeNewt@lemm.ee on 2025-01-29 at 09:02

Haven’t heard of Tuta Mail, I’l be sure to look into it. Already in the process (mentally) to transition to Mullvad. The lack of port forwarding is a shame but their privacy and security is on another level.

Thank you for the recommendation!

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Written by lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works on 2025-01-29 at 09:56

When a user’s assigned a static forwarded port, it creates a unique identifier that can be used to track and correlate their VPN activity over time.

This persistent identifier undermines the core anonymity purpose of a VPN service, as it provides a way to fingerprint and potentially deanonymize specific users despite the VPN encryption.

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Written by onlinepersona@programming.dev on 2025-01-29 at 09:08

Tuta doesn’t support import mail for free users yet. They’re rolling it out for paying users first. There’s no timeline for free users.

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Written by hendrik on 2025-01-29 at 09:39

Ah, alright. I was more thinking of getting a paid subscription anyways. 36€ a year seems fair. Though I wish they also offered chat and a few other services as well. Btw, if you're technically inclined... There are tools like imapsync which do this for any mail provider. Or with Evolution or Thunderbird as a mail client, I believe you can just select all your mails and drag and drop them into a different mailbox. That should get it done as well.

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Written by lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works on 2025-01-29 at 09:49

The whole point of not supporting IMAP is security.

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Written by lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works on 2025-01-29 at 09:55

When a user’s assigned a static forwarded port, it creates a unique identifier that can be used to track and correlate their VPN activity over time.

This persistent identifier undermines the core anonymity purpose of a VPN service, as it provides a way to fingerprint and potentially deanonymize specific users despite the VPN encryption.

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Written by hendrik on 2025-01-29 at 10:03

You're right. I finished reading their website only after commenting. Guess I'm not their target audience then. I prefer doing encryption on my device, as most of my regular mails come in unsecure and unencrypted anyways. And I guess we'd have to replace email in it's entirety with a more modern protocol to make it secure and usable. I mean my bank, internet service provider and almost everyone stopped sending me invoices, bills etc via mail already years ago. And it's not like they offer to do it via Tuta secure mail... So I guess all of these services are niche and limited by the trade-offs they need to invent.

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Written by onlinepersona@programming.dev on 2025-01-29 at 10:37

I’m hoping email will be replaced by the protocol companies agree upon when the Digital Markets Act kicked in and forced interoperability between messaging clients. Once that happens, hopefully all we will need to share is $username@service and be able to communicate using a secure protocol.

When that will happens is another question though. I really thought implementation would’ve been done by now since Matrix already is the right protocol for interopability, but it looks like Facebook wants to or has already built a custom protocol with demands to track users 🙄 I hope the EU commission will have a word with them.

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Written by hendrik on 2025-01-29 at 10:49

I'm just flabbergasted by the fact that Email is now like 40 years old(!) and nobody ever invented a worthy successor that saw some adoption. And we all know mail has some severe issues.

I also think it should be combined with messaging. But I mainly need it to be electronic letters. I want my bank statements, bills etc in that format. And be able to contact any business with it. Plus friends and family, the government etc and use it to coordinate things at work. And I think the internet made some advances since the 80s. We could include multimedia, sending large files, exchanging instant messages and maybe make it an identity provider so we also solve authentication, passwords and age verification on the internet. All of that isn't really hard and there is quite some demand for all of these issues being addressed by one uniform solution.

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Written by haverholm on 2025-01-29 at 09:11

Email alternatives I've been recommended but not personally tried — please comment if they're also gone to the dark side somehow:

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Written by fuzzy_feeling on 2025-01-29 at 09:26

mailbox.org user for 3 years, love it

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Written by Jean-Mich Much on 2025-01-29 at 10:04

Posteo user here for 2years, nothing special to say it’s cool and 1€/month is OK for me

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Written by radon12445@lemm.ee on 2025-01-29 at 10:09

I personally feel like this is overblown way too much, if I’m not missing anything.

While the wording could have been better, the CEO clarified later on that he specifically talked about the nominee and criticized democrats in position of power that blocked bills that are important to Proton’s core values.

I understand that the initial post could have been read as a broad support for Republicans and their general policies. But with the clarification it is, in my opinion, very possible that this is exactly what was meant.

Obviously it also wasn’t great that he replied from official accounts. But again, that’s more of a PR problem and less of a core value problem people make it out to be.

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